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By Bokusa 2015-07-26 10:10:38
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I am looking for some help with a comprehensive list of spells to make each elemental skillchain using Immanence. I know the scholar guide has a few examples but what are some good combos for the rest? Thanks!
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By Bahamut.Tychefm 2015-07-26 10:23:11
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Go here:

http://ffxiclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Skillchains

Look at the box with the level 1 and 2 Skillchains. It has neat little colored boxes for the elements.
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By Shiva.Hiep 2015-07-26 10:39:59
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Just to save some time, here is list I just made up. I also abuse Staff WS's to save Stratagems. Happy Scholaring!

Fire
*Stone > Fire = Liquefaction
*Thunder > Fire = Liquefaction
Fire > Thunder = Fusion
Full Swing > Thunder = Fusion
**Rock Crusher > Fire = Liquefaction

Ice
*Water > Blizzard = Induration
Water > Shattersoul = Induration
Luminohelix > Stone = Distortion
Retribution > Blizzard = Induration
**Omniscience > Stone = Distortion
**Starburst > Blizzard = Induration

Wind
*Stone > Aero = Detonation
*Thunder > Aero = Detonation
Noctohelix > Aero = Detonation
Blizzard > Water = Fragmentation
Shattersoul > Water = Fragmentation
**Rock Crusher > Aero = Detonation

Earth
*Fire > Stone = Scission
*Aero > Stone = Scission
Aero > Noctohelix = Gravitation
Shell Crusher > Stone = Scission

Thunder
*Water > Thunder = Impaction
*Blizzard > Thunder = Impaction
Blizzard > Water = Fragmentation
Retribution > Thunder = Impaction
Shattersoul > Water = Fragmentation
*Shattersoul > Thunder = Impaction
**Starburst > Thunder = Impaction

Water
*Stone > Water = Reverberation
Luminohelix > Stone = Distortion
Luminohelix > Water = Reverberation
**Omniscience > Water = Reverberation

Light
*Fire > Thunder = Fusion
Full Swing > Thunder = Fusion

Dark
*Aero > Noctohelix = Gravitation
Blizzard > Noctohelix = Compression
Shattersoul > Noctohelix = Compression

Basic Scholar Light and Dark Skillchains

* Indicates which skillchains I personally use the most
** Skillchains I use the most with magical weapon skills to never miss
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By Bahamut.Tychefm 2015-07-26 10:44:56
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As a rule of thumb you want to avoid any skillchain with a helix in it to keep your existing one ticking.

For example if you want to MB stone rather use:

Aero > Stone = Scission

than

Aero > Noctohelix = Gravitation
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By Caitsith.Mahayaya 2015-07-26 10:50:43
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Thanks Hiep!
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By Shiva.Hiep 2015-07-26 10:52:29
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Haven't revised it since I made it months ago. woops
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By Siren.Akson 2015-07-26 12:21:48
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Impossible to make Darkness or Light in any way? 3 step?
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By Carbuncle.Skudo 2015-07-26 12:48:01
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SCH cannot close Light or Darkness, because you'd need a L2+ property "WS" to do that, of which SCH has none via Immanence.

You can make Distortion with Immanence and close Darkness with Retribution/Omniscience/Shattersoul though...

Light would require a Club, closing with Realmrazer or Black Halo.
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By Siren.Akson 2015-07-26 13:04:24
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So Distortion > Retribution/Omniscience/Shattersoul = Darkness

and

Fusion or Fragmentation? > Realmrazer/Black Halo


Edit: Fragmentation > Realmrazer = Light
Fusion > Black Halo = Light


thx
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By Siren.Akson 2015-07-26 13:37:57
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One last question.

I wouldn't even need to use another Stratagem after completing Distortion huh?
Just follow up w/ the correct WS and Darkness should arrive I imagine.
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By Siren.Kyte 2015-07-26 13:39:53
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No, you don't need a strategem to SC with a WS >_>;
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By Bismarck.Snprphnx 2015-07-26 13:56:22
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Basic Scholar Light and Dark Skillchains

Dark Skill Chain (Staff)
Immanence > Luminohelix > Immanence > Stone > Omniscience

Light Skill Chain (Club)
Immanence > Fire > Immanence > Thunder > Black Halo

if you want to Ebullience/MB yourself (if you have the strats to do so), you need to...

Dark Skill Chain (Staff)
Immanence > Luminohelix > Immanence > Stone > Alacrity > Ebullience > Omniscience > Stone X/Water X/Blizzard X/Kaustra

Light Skill Chain (Club)
Immanence > Fire > Immanence > Thunder > Alacrity > Ebullience > Black Halo > Aero X/Fire X/Thunder X
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By Siren.Akson 2015-07-26 14:13:15
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Assuming you have a PLD doing something. Easier than melee SCH.

Gravitation > Chant du Cygne = Darkness

Fragmentation > Atonement = Light

or
Fusion > Savage Blade = Light
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By Shiva.Applesmash 2015-11-08 17:45:33
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Atonement - Thunder also makes Impaction to save strats,

I've been looking for SCs to make with a RUN, any ideas?
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By Sylph.Jeanpaul 2015-11-08 18:58:01
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For greatsword, I've got a few options depending on the element I want to burst:

Dimidiation > Dimidiation = Light
Dim/GS/Res/Spin > Ground Strike = Distortion
Herculean Slash > Resolution = Scission

When working with a SCH, good options include:

Herc > Water = Fragmentation
Ice > Shockwave = Fragmentation
Fire > Herc = Fusion (don't use on Perf/Plouton though)
Power Slash > Stone = Distortion
Luminohelix > Resolution = Distortion
SCH makes Fusion > Dim/GS/Res/Spin > Dimidiation = Double Light
Ground Strike > Omniscience = Darkness

Greatsword doesn't have any Compression or Grav, and the only way to make Gravitation when incorporating a RUN would require either extra WSs/Strategems or that the RUN use a 1-handed sword or something. Could do Res > Herc > Noctohelix for Gravitation if the RUN has enough TP gain to self-SC or Sekkanokki.
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By Shiva.Applesmash 2015-11-08 20:51:39
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Cool thanks, was CPing earlier today and couldn't find a combo to burst Thunder, didn't look very hard though. :p
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By Shiva.Hiep 2015-11-08 21:24:38
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Sylph.Jeanpaul said: »
For greatsword, I've got a few options depending on the element I want to burst:

Dimidiation > Dimidiation = Light
Dim/GS/Res/Spin > Ground Strike = Distortion
Herculean Slash > Resolution = Scission

When working with a SCH, good options include:

Herc > Water = Fragmentation
Ice > Shockwave = Fragmentation
Fire > Herc = Fusion (don't use on Perf/Plouton though)
Power Slash > Stone = Distortion
Luminohelix > Resolution = Distortion
SCH makes Fusion > Dim/GS/Res/Spin > Dimidiation = Double Light
Ground Strike > Omniscience = Darkness

Greatsword doesn't have any Compression or Grav, and the only way to make Gravitation when incorporating a RUN would require either extra WSs/Strategems or that the RUN use a 1-handed sword or something. Could do Res > Herc > Noctohelix for Gravitation if the RUN has enough TP gain to self-SC or Sekkanokki.

I'm borrowing this! and thanks for not inviting me hyr zzz. Also, if anyone wants to build on this and posts SCH skillchains with other weapons like how Jeanpaul posted, I would really appreciate it and maybe the community would too. Don't really have the time this week to test any since midterms .-.

Edit: Mostly interested in skillchains where SCH performs one of the "ws"s since I personally don't do too much content where the DD Tank can solo skillchain.
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By Shiva.Tilanna 2015-11-08 22:00:09
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Shiva.Hiep said: »
Sylph.Jeanpaul said: »
For greatsword, I've got a few options depending on the element I want to burst:

Dimidiation > Dimidiation = Light
Dim/GS/Res/Spin > Ground Strike = Distortion
Herculean Slash > Resolution = Scission

When working with a SCH, good options include:

Herc > Water = Fragmentation
Ice > Shockwave = Fragmentation
Fire > Herc = Fusion (don't use on Perf/Plouton though)
Power Slash > Stone = Distortion
Luminohelix > Resolution = Distortion
SCH makes Fusion > Dim/GS/Res/Spin > Dimidiation = Double Light
Ground Strike > Omniscience = Darkness

Greatsword doesn't have any Compression or Grav, and the only way to make Gravitation when incorporating a RUN would require either extra WSs/Strategems or that the RUN use a 1-handed sword or something. Could do Res > Herc > Noctohelix for Gravitation if the RUN has enough TP gain to self-SC or Sekkanokki.

I'm borrowing this! and thanks for not inviting me hyr zzz. Also, if anyone wants to build on this and posts SCH skillchains with other weapons like how Jeanpaul posted, I would really appreciate it and maybe the community would too. Don't really have the time this week to test any since midterms .-.

Edit: Mostly interested in skillchains where SCH performs one of the "ws"s since I personally don't do too much content where the DD Tank can solo skillchain.

Well, if you've got a PLD tanking (and using Sword), you could do:

Blizzard > Atonement = Fragmentation (Wind/Lightning)
Savage Blade > Water = Reverberation (Water)
Savage Blade > Fire = Liquefaction (Fire)
Blizzard > Vorpal Blade/Circle Blade/Flat Blade = Impaction (Lightning)
Fire > Circle Blade/Flat Blade = Fusion (Fire/Light)

These get less ideal the further down you go, but if you need it, you can do it. Also, I'm assuming that you want to only use a single strat on the SCH, combined with a single WS from a melee. There's pretty nearly infinite options depending on which weapon you're using, so if there's a particular weapon you are thinking about, that'd make it easier. Also, depends how much of the WSer's damage you're willing to sacrifice in order to get the SC you're looking for. Like some of those above, using Flat Blade isn't exactly going to do much, but if you just want the SC, it works.

Edit: dunno if people still use NIN tanks, but Katana is quite versatile, and combined with a SCH, you can make some SCs that are normally annoying (require helixes)

Blade: Ku/Blade: Chi/Blade: Rin > Stone = Distortion
Aero > Blade: Kamu/Blade: Ei = Gravitation
Fire > Blade: Shun/Blade: Jin/Blade: Chi = Fusion
Blizzard > Blade: Yu/Blade: Teki = Fragmentation
Blade: To > Water = Fragmentation
Blade: Kamu/Blade: Ei > Aero = Detonation
Blade: Jin > Stone = Scission
Blade: Shun > Fire = Liquefaction

Double Edit: Katana really has loads of options actually, opening or closing. There's way more than I listed here if you want to be creative, but it's got a lot of different options. Only downside is it doesn't have a good way to open for a SCH to close Fusion with Thunder. The NIN could close Fusion easily, or you can make Liquefaction with NIN opening.
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By Shiva.Hiep 2015-11-08 22:10:03
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The main weapons I'm looking to SC with are Sword, Great Sword, Katana, and Dagger since I mostly play w/ PLDs, NINs, and THFs. However, I wouldn't mind a list for other weapons just to archive for future reference. I personally prefer SCs such as Savage Blade > Water where the SCH ends the skillchain since it'd be easier for me to pay attention to the opening SC vs the tank who may be busy staying alive. Again, I don't mind having a list where the non-SCH ends the skillchain since it has the benefit of me being able to easily MBing with a T5 & T4 versus me only able to MB T5 & T3 when I end the skillchain. Skillchain damage isn't a big deal imo since majority of the damage comes from the MBs following.

Edit: I'm also looking for SCs with SMN Blood Pact: Rages. Also, two skillchains of each element where the SCH opens (Skillchain #1) or ends (Skillchain #2) is great enough for me. If you can find lvl 2 SCs to cover two elements, that's fine. It's a bit much to ask the community, but I appreciate any information added. Back to studying for midterms .-.!
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By Shiva.Tilanna 2015-11-08 22:23:46
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Shiva.Hiep said: »
The main weapons I'm looking to SC with are Sword, Great Sword, Katana, and Dagger since I mostly play w/ PLDs, NINs, and THFs. However, I wouldn't mind a list for other weapons just to archive for future reference. I personally prefer SCs such as Savage Blade > Water where the SCH ends the skillchain since it'd be easier for me to pay attention to the opening SC vs the tank who may be busy staying alive. Again, I don't mind having a list where the non-SCH ends the skillchain since it has the benefit of me being able to easily MBing with a T5 & T4 versus me only able to MB T5 & T3 when I end the Skillchain. Skillchain damage isn't a big deal imo since majority of the damage come from the MBs following.

Edit: I'm also looking for SCs with SMN Blood Pact: Rages. :)

Dagger:

Evisceration > Stone = Distortion
Aero > Mandalic Stab = Gravitation
Mandalic Stab > Aero = Detonation
Exenterator > Fire = Liquefaction
Evisceration/Exenterator > Water = Reverberation
Fire > Aeolian Edge = Fusion
Blizzard > Shadowstitch (lol) = Fragmentation
Shadowstitch > Blizzard = Induration

I have no clue what BPs are any good as my SMN isn't leveled, but I'll go look and see if their SC attributes are listed on wiki and see what might make sense.

Edit: Also, I definitely recommend having a Skillchain Chart handy. They don't seem to have been updated since the Dynamis days, but still can be useful for the WSes that are on there.
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By Shiva.Tilanna 2015-11-08 22:40:52
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So, I don't know if these are still accurate, maybe someone who actually plays or plays with a SMN can double check these, but going by the chart here's some possibilities:

Punch(I) > Thunder = Fusion
Aero > Camisado(D)/Moonlit Charge(F)/Double Punch(I) = Gravitation
Poison Nails(C)/Crescent Fang(F) > Stone = Distortion
Axe Kick(S)/Megalith Throw(T) > Water = Fragmentation
Barracude Dive(L)/Rock Buster(T) > Blizzard = Induration
Barracude Dive(L)/Rock Buster(T) > Thunder = Impaction
Rock Throw(T)/Double Slap(S) > Aero = Detonation
Rock Throw(T)/Double Slap(S) > Fire = Liquefaction
Rock Throw(T)/Double Slap(S) > Water = Reverberation
Aero/Fire > Rock Throw(T)/Double Slap(S) = Scission
Fire > Shock Strike(R)/Burning Strike(I) = Fusion

Again, no guarantee on these, but they might work :p
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By Shiva.Applesmash 2015-11-08 22:46:03
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Speaking of skillchain charts, some guy made a website with Skillchain options, which was up to date until Abyssea I think, if someone remembers the url or something it'd be appreciated.
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By Carbuncle.Skudo 2015-11-08 23:20:36
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What did it do? I can just replicate that, I guess.
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By Carbuncle.Skudo 2015-11-09 12:12:43
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I made this very rough draft of a "website with Skillchain options": http://huydinh.eu/ffxi/skillchains

Basically, it's complete. As in it knows about the rules to make Skillchains and applying them. The database just lacks a majority of weapon skills, but that will be fixed once I've run through the Windower resource files.

It lacks sexy design and even though I had some ideas on how the UI should/might look like, I haven't had time for that yet. You know, filters etc.

So for now, it only lists all possible WSs going from one group of WSs to another group of WSs. If you find something that's wrong or if you have ideas on how to make this little tool nicer, feel free to poke me.
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By Sylph.Jeanpaul 2015-11-09 13:11:01
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Maybe include something like a color or symbol to cover which WSs are relic or mythic based? Also maybe something to mark elemental WSs since they can't miss. Other than that, it looks like it's working right, except that WSs that can continuously self-SC are not being listed that way.

Example: Dancing Edge > Dancing Edge makes Detonation, another Dancing Edge will make Scission, and another DE makes another Detonation, and so on.

edit: I never noticed before, but Aeolian Edge and Immanence can cover every SC element. Neat!

Light > Aeolian = Distortion
Fire > Aeolian = Fusion
Aeolian > Dark = Gravitation
Ice or Water > Aeolian = Impaction
Dark or Earth or Lightning > Aeolian = Detonation
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By Carbuncle.Skudo 2015-11-09 13:16:00
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Yeah, for now it's assuming a target devoid of SC properties laid on it, which means that thing shows the first and second step of a 2-step WS only. Which also means that Dancing Edge > Dancing Edge can be found in Detonation, but not Scission, because when starting from a blank slate, Dancing Edge > Dancing Edge does not make Scission.

I don't know how to actually represent that kind of behaviour without possibly creating super long pages. That's subject for additional functionality like filters, I think. Offering something like "Assume the target has been WS'd and is subject to a SC" more likely is going to confuse people.
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By Carbuncle.Skudo 2015-11-09 13:30:54
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Verda said: »
Hey Skudo question, in that video you said the log just messes up order sometimes... but is it possible to use immanence after you start casting and have it take effect? lol If so that's very clever.

It is not; you cannot activate JAs mid-cast.
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By Sylph.Jeanpaul 2015-11-09 13:37:30
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The "Person used Job Ability" message will usually show after the animation is done, whereas the "Person starts casting Spell" will appear as soon as they begin to cast. In this case, he's casting his spell before the Immanence animation is finished, so they appear out of sequence in the log.
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