Without the voice inflection and body language of personal communication these are easily misinterpreted. A sideways smile, :-), has become widely accepted on the net as an indication that "I'm only kidding". If you submit a satiric item without this symbol, no matter how obvious the satire is to you, do not be surprised if people take it seriously.[
“Even though it is quite true that any radical eugenic policy will be for many years politically and psychologically impossible, it will be important for UNESCO to see that the eugenic problem is examined with the greatest care, and that the public mind is informed of the issues at stake so that much that now is unthinkable may at least become thinkable.”
And do you understand that while yes, there are certainly pragmatic problems with eugenics that MUST be curbed -- eliminating diversity, etc. -- there are positivies as well, like eliminating fatal/life-altering congenital conditions and the like*?
Edit:*To come full circle, you know. Like the autism you're (incorrectly) so DEATHLY AFRAID OF in vaccines that you'd rather children DIE OF PREVENTABLE DISEASE than contract.
You're not just wrong on many fronts, you're contradicting yourself too.
Sorry to bring this back two pages later, but it's eating at me to ask for clarification.
Is this post suggesting the elimination of autism, and that it would be a positive thing?
“Even though it is quite true that any radical eugenic policy will be for many years politically and psychologically impossible, it will be important for UNESCO to see that the eugenic problem is examined with the greatest care, and that the public mind is informed of the issues at stake so that much that now is unthinkable may at least become thinkable.”
And do you understand that while yes, there are certainly pragmatic problems with eugenics that MUST be curbed -- eliminating diversity, etc. -- there are positivies as well, like eliminating fatal/life-altering congenital conditions and the like*?
Edit:*To come full circle, you know. Like the autism you're (incorrectly) so DEATHLY AFRAID OF in vaccines that you'd rather children DIE OF PREVENTABLE DISEASE than contract.
You're not just wrong on many fronts, you're contradicting yourself too.
Sorry to bring this back two pages later, but it's eating at me to ask for clarification.
Is this post suggesting the elimination of autism, and that it would be a positive thing?
It's saying that idiotic people who are so afraid of an unfounded and unproven link between vaccines and autism that they rather let their children die from more serious and faster killing ailments than contract a mental disorder that they would have contracted anyway regardless of taking the vaccine to prevent their horrific deaths.
It's saying that idiotic people who are so afraid of an unfounded and unproven link between vaccines and autism that they rather let their children die from more serious and faster killing ailments than contract a mental disorder that they would have contracted anyway regardless of taking the vaccine to prevent their horrific deaths.
You're reading it wrong Drokin.
The eugenics part is about things like Parkinson.
The autism reference is about the fact that Lordgrim thinks that vaccinating children makes them autistic.
You're reading it wrong Drokin.
The eugenics part is about things like Parkinson.
The autism reference is about the fact that Lordgrim thinks that vaccinating children makes them autistic.
That's what I thought. I just wanted to be sure, because the wording and placement was tripping me up.
My son is autistic, and his biological mom is anti-vax because of it. There's just no reasoning with her. And even if they did have some sort of causal relationship (which I know there 100% is not), what good is withholding further vaccinations? Does she think he'll become double-autistic?
She completely ignores that there are people all throughout my family with autistic traits, both those diagnosed and undiagnosed. Myself included.
EDIT: I wouldn't "cure" it if given the option. Just as many lifelong Deaf people refuse cochlear implants. You're talking about fundamentally changing a person, all for the sake of making them easier for the rest of society to accept.
Yes, there are behavioral things that can come with it. Many times, they're co-morbid conditions, and not part of autism itself. If the worst struggle someone has is being non-verbal (or partially verbal like my son), or flapping their hands, or not making eye contact, where is the problem? There are some autistic people who would like to be "cured," but most that I've encountered just want to be accepted and reasonably accommodated, and there's nothing wrong with that. Similar to why public sidewalks are expected to be wheelchair accessible and the like.
I wouldn't "cure" it if given the option. Just as many lifelong Deaf people refuse cochlear implants. You're talking about fundamentally changing a person, all for the sake of making them easier for the rest of society to accept.
Yes, there are behavioral things that can come with it. Many times, they're co-morbid conditions, and not part of autism itself. If the worst struggle someone has is being non-verbal (or partially verbal like my son), or flapping their hands, or not making eye contact, where is the problem? There are some autistic people who would like to be "cured," but most that I've encountered just want to be accepted and reasonably accommodated, and there's nothing wrong with that. Similar to why public sidewalks are expected to be wheelchair accessible and the like.
There is nothing wrong with acceptance because there is nothing we can do about it. But if life could be improved I don't understand how anyone wouldn't want it.
I wouldn't "cure" it if given the option. Just as many lifelong Deaf people refuse cochlear implants. You're talking about fundamentally changing a person, all for the sake of making them easier for the rest of society to accept.
Yes, there are behavioral things that can come with it. Many times, they're co-morbid conditions, and not part of autism itself. If the worst struggle someone has is being non-verbal (or partially verbal like my son), or flapping their hands, or not making eye contact, where is the problem? There are some autistic people who would like to be "cured," but most that I've encountered just want to be accepted and reasonably accommodated, and there's nothing wrong with that. Similar to why public sidewalks are expected to be wheelchair accessible and the like.
There is nothing wrong with acceptance because there is nothing we can do about it. But if life could be improved I don't understand how anyone wouldn't want it.
Oh, believe me, I work to improve his life every chance I get. But I would never agree to changing his entire neurology. Eliminating some of the co-morbid conditions that many autistic people face would go a long way toward bettering quality of life without changing the person in a fundamental way. (Those with co-occurring epilepsy, for example. Depression is also very common. Anything with a higher prevalence in autistic people compared to the general population.)
Sometimes it's just about finding a coping strategy or accommodation. My son is sensitive to certain sounds, for example. Public restrooms tend to have high flush power toilets and those air hand dryers, and they normally make it hard for him to go in them. We take headphones with us pretty much everywhere we go, and he wears them when there's too much stimulation. They're not even noise-blocking headphones - they're XBox headphones. But the combination of altered perception and the pressure they provide is enough to let him go places like that without any issues.
EDIT: I'm also not saying that the option shouldn't be there, for those who want it. Just like my example of Deaf people and cochlear implants. Or technologies that are beginning to allow people who have been paralyzed to walk. There are plenty of people who would jump at the chance (no pun intended). But it should be up to the individual, not a requirement.
EDIT: I wouldn't "cure" it if given the option. Just as many lifelong Deaf people refuse cochlear implants. You're talking about fundamentally changing a person, all for the sake of making them easier for the rest of society to accept.
Yes, there are behavioral things that can come with it. Many times, they're co-morbid conditions, and not part of autism itself. If the worst struggle someone has is being non-verbal (or partially verbal like my son), or flapping their hands, or not making eye contact, where is the problem? There are some autistic people who would like to be "cured," but most that I've encountered just want to be accepted and reasonably accommodated, and there's nothing wrong with that. Similar to why public sidewalks are expected to be wheelchair accessible and the like.
People who accumulated to their condition, sure, let them make their own choice.
However, if we can cure autism at a young age where it hasn't affected the child's social development, what's the harm in getting rid of the mental disorder then?
Nothing has strayed too far from the topics you've introduced, and honestly, I'm amazed at the relatively low levels of vitriol involved for a P+R thread. People are actually debating (mostly refuting) your points.
So far, this has been the best case scenario for this thread. What's the complaint?
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DEMOCRATS INTRODUCE BILL TO BAN ‘HUSBAND’ AND ‘WIFE’ AS ‘ANTI-GAY’ WORDS
"Gendered terms" would be removed from federal law
Fresh off the Supreme Court ruling on gay marriage, Democrats in California have introduced a bill that would ban the words “husband” and “wife” from being used in federal law because they are “gendered terms” and discriminate against gay people.
The words husband and wife were deleted from California state law last year in order to accommodate same sex marriage.
Under new legislation proposed by over two dozen Democrats, that same rule would be applied federally. The bill, introduced by Rep. Lois Capps, D-Calif, would introduce new “gender-neutral” terms such as “spouse” or “married couple.”
“The Amend the Code for Marriage Equality Act recognizes that the words in our laws have meaning and can continue to reflect prejudice and discrimination even when rendered null by our highest courts,” Capps said. “Our values as a country are reflected in our laws. I authored this bill because it is imperative that our federal code reflect the equality of all marriages.”
Capps said that amending the language used was necessary to reflect “the equality of all marriages” following last month’s Supreme Court ruling on gay marriage that mandated all states to license same sex marriages.
“Now that compulsory gay marriage is the law of the land thanks to the U.S. Supreme Court, liberals are reaching out from that decision to see where else they can force the gay lobby’s agenda on the country,” writes Warner Todd Huston.
Meanwhile, a Toledo Municipal Court judge who refused to marry a same sex couple because of his religious beliefs is seeking an advisory opinion from the Ohio Supreme Court on whether he can opt out of performing gay marriages.
“On Monday, July 6, I declined to marry a non-traditional couple during my duties assignment. The declination was based upon my personal and Christian beliefs established over many years. I apologize to the couple for the delay they experienced and wish them the best,” Judge C. Allen McConnell, a Democrat, said in a statement.
Gay group Equality Toledo said the couple were “humiliated” by the incident, despite the fact that they were married by another judge shortly afterwards.