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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-05-12 13:09:18
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You know, there's also a middle ground between "this content sucks before I even see it" and "omg everything SE does is going to be awesome".

Personally I am greatly disappointed. Not specifically today(the preview seemed cool too), but from the latest announcements in general. That is because there were still things I wanted this game to provide me, and now that I know they're gonna be just another dyna/aby(and I don't mean the gameplay, but the parallel dimension theme) I am indeed greatly disappointed and let down.

I hope it will be fun, sure. But personally fighting nms for drops isn't all I desire from a game, there are other aspects and that is why I am not going to be fully satisfied from this. I felt exactly the same way from abyssea, sure it was fun to play but it wasn't all I wanted.
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By Nyruul 2015-05-12 13:21:35
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Cerberus.Sephrin said: »
I'm excited! However, my server is so dead... there's usually like 300-500 players. If that! I want a merge or I may just move servers. None of my irl friends play anyway.

Server transfers are $9 dollars right now.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Senyn 2015-05-12 13:23:46
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That's 9 MORE dollars you shouldn't have to pay square on top of the 13 you shouldn't already be paying anymore.

It's extortion.
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By Lakshmi.Buukki 2015-05-12 13:23:58
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Nyruul said: »
Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
Actually, some people unsubbed, but frequent the forums to see what has changed on a monthly basis. Some want to hear reliable player testimonials of new content to see if it's worth their time to return.

Well people who are wondering if it is worth coming back or not should know that there is a free login event(Return Home Campaign or w.e) from the 15th to the 25th. So they can find out for themselves. Which is always better than to decide on other peoples opinions and as of right now with Escha, interpretations.

Didn't know this. I'll play for ten days
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By Nyruul 2015-05-12 13:27:51
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
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Lakshmi.Buukki said: »
Actually, some people unsubbed, but frequent the forums to see what has changed on a monthly basis. Some want to hear reliable player testimonials of new content to see if it's worth their time to return.

Well people who are wondering if it is worth coming back or not should know that there is a free login event(Return Home Campaign or w.e) from the 15th to the 25th. So they can find out for themselves. Which is always better than to decide on other peoples opinions and as of right now with Escha, interpretations.

Didn't know this. I'll play for ten days

Hell yeah. I bet Valli/Senyn won't though. I bet he's in the closet about being perma'd
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-05-12 13:30:56
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I didn't think server transfers were worth the money then, I think so even less now. There'll be merges later on, might as well wait it out instead of throwing money away.
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By Nyruul 2015-05-12 13:35:58
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
I didn't think server transfers were worth the money then, I think so even less now. There'll be merges later on, might as well wait it out instead of throwing money away.

It's nine dollars. If nine dollars is a big deal to anyone who plays this game they shouldn't be subbing for it or playing, they should be finding a way to make nine dollars as worthless as it is.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-05-12 13:45:20
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Doesn't matter. Wasted money is wasted money. Besides last time I did transfer was 25 bucks, that's quite a lot.

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they already told us weeks ago
That's why I specified my disappointment isn't today.
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By Nyruul 2015-05-12 13:50:40
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Well normally they are $18 but are 1/2 off till June 1st. SE said server merges will not happen until after or around November(I forget which it was.) Note I am making this suggestion to someone who is on a dead server where all their friends have stopped playing.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Kenrusai 2015-05-12 13:55:29
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
But personally fighting nms for drops isn't all I desire from a game,

You aren't even going to get that at this rate.

I don't really call facerolling through lame NM after lame NM a fight, nor fun.

There is just no substance in fighting some NM with a huge HP pool, but barely puts up a fight. It's like fighting some forest hair that takes forever to die.

Of course, this content isn't guaranteed to be easy, but at this point there stands a good chance of it being the case.
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By Lakshmi.Chilzen 2015-05-12 13:58:29
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Paying SE $9 for a reduced transfer at this point is telling them their mishandling of the game and playerbase is A-OK.



Matsui already said there will not be any mergers until after the last update in November, and he has the metrics to see how dire the situation is for populations. SE KNOWS how bad the lack of population has hurt the game and the sub numbers, but they know they can jingle at least one person for that extra month of sub money, instead of realizing the long term benefits they could have had by swallowing their false JP pride and fixing the situation.

That $9 is about the principal of the matter at this time, since even on the deathbed of the game, SE is more concerned about nickel and diming their long time players as opposed to doing a proper send off. The fact that they showcase trusts in the new trailer on Escha content is a pretty big slap in the face, since they're already future proofing this new content and ignoring the community aspect that defined XI for nearly a decade of it's life. No need for paying friends when you can solo with your pals Ulmia and Joachim.

If you're paying money for a service, you personally hold a level of quality you expect for said service. Paying the $9-$18 transfer fee is like paying for a bug fix patch in any other game. You're rewarding SE for purposely screwing over the players to validate the need to pay them $9.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Senyn 2015-05-12 14:05:45
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Lakshmi.Chilzen said: »
Paying SE $9 for a reduced transfer at this point is telling them their mishandling of the game and playerbase is A-OK.



Matsui already said there will not be any mergers until after the last update in November, and he has the metrics to see how dire the situation is for populations. SE KNOWS how bad the lack of population has hurt the game and the sub numbers, but they know they can jingle at least one person for that extra month of sub money, instead of realizing the long term benefits they could have had by swallowing their false JP pride and fixing the situation.

That $9 is about the principal of the matter at this time, since even on the deathbed of the game, SE is more concerned about nickel and diming their long time players as opposed to doing a proper send off. The fact that they showcase trusts in the new trailer on Escha content is a pretty big slap in the face, since they're already future proofing this new content and ignoring the community aspect that defined XI for nearly a decade of it's life. No need for paying friends when you can solo with your pals Ulmia and Joachim.

If you're paying money for a service, you personally hold a level of quality you expect for said service. Paying the $9-$18 transfer fee is like paying for a bug fix patch in any other game. You're rewarding SE for purposely screwing over the players to validate the need to pay them $9.

Truth: The Post
Incredibly accurate. Now, let's have him show up and argue that.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-05-12 14:06:43
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Nyruul said: »
Note I am making this suggestion to someone who is on a dead server where all their friends have stopped playing.
*shrugs* if it's important for them go for it. Afterall even I did a transfer when it was costly cause it was important at the time.

Just my humble opinion that right now it doesn't seem worth it with merges only few months away.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Senyn 2015-05-12 14:08:47
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Well, 6 months is an ETERNITY with servers as they are now... so... that's slightly more than a few months. Unless you're gonna unsub till november, then pay full price to jump.

Not that I'd ever advocate paying square to jump, as stated just one post back. They've given you the keys to quit guilt free, *** paying for a server jump, game-jump.
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By Nyruul 2015-05-12 14:11:22
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
Nyruul said: »
Note I am making this suggestion to someone who is on a dead server where all their friends have stopped playing.
*shrugs* if it's important for them go for it. Afterall even I did a transfer when it was costly cause it was important at the time.

Just my humble opinion that right now it doesn't seem worth it with merges only few months away.

When you got friends and a DP COR, you don't have the kind of issues other players have on a dead server.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-05-12 14:12:07
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I currently have 0 friends and don't even join any shout lol.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-05-12 14:13:50
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
I currently have 0 friends and don't even join any shout lol.

Poor Seha, forever alone!

Worry not, I like to log in to my old HNMLS and talk to myself. Sometimes I threaten myself with a DKP penalty, scream Tiamat is up, offer to tele-Yhoat myself to a mandy party or suddenly take a turn to very adult conversations past 11PM.
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By Nyruul 2015-05-12 14:14:48
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
I currently have 0 friends and don't even join any shout lol.

Yeah but if you wanted to do something that shinny gun will help make it happen. Just like me on BRD with my relic.
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By Nyruul 2015-05-12 14:16:17
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Valefor.Sehachan said: »
I currently have 0 friends and don't even join any shout lol.

Poor Seha, forever alone!

Worry not, I like to log in to my old HNMLS and talk to myself. Sometimes I threaten myself with a DKP penalty, scream Tiamat is up, offer to tele-Yhoat myself to a mandy party or suddenly take a turn to very adult conversations past 11PM.

I've been known to have full out conversations between my characters around other people. Mostly just to entertain the audience.
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By Cerberus.Avalon 2015-05-12 14:16:48
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Valefor.Sehachan said: »
I currently have 0 friends and don't even join any shout lol.

Come to Cerberus. I could use a mythic COR in my shell. :)
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-05-12 14:19:49
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I see no reason SE shouldn't merge the servers and offer free transfers for a limited time so us old fogeys can all meet eachother for one last adventure before the game really bottoms out come year's end.

It's like every time SE learns something, they have to remind us they're chronically incompetent. Losing subs because people can't find people to play with. Yeah, that'll make money.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Senyn 2015-05-12 14:21:14
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"the one reason" that you don't see, honestly!!!? It's called money.

You're "naive" enough to PAY them to do things they should feel obligated to do for free.

They'll make much more from people server transferring and buying new copies (bannings) than they ever will from keeping live accounts around and "happy".

Never do something for free jokermeme.jpg etc.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-05-12 14:32:11
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Except it's not "free". If people are happy and have people to play with, you get the transfer money back in subs. More months of happy people (especially admist a dwindling pop issue).

Consequently, if people aren't happy. They desub and you get nothing. Wonka.jpg.

This isn't 2006 where people would just suck it up and pay money for ***. Not having people to play with makes it very obvious you should just logout and probably never log back in.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Senyn 2015-05-12 14:40:40
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You realize you're talking about possibly the most addicted persons on the entire planet correct? They'll be prying the *** keyboard out of Draylo's cold dead hands when he can't play anymore. And he's only the poster-boy for being made fun of, there are thousands of Draylos out there.

These people will be paying LONG after the game is worth playing. They're paying right now when there isn't jack ***worth doing.

Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
It's very obvious you should just logout and probably never log back in.

Best advice ever given. Well, finish your goal, THEN logout, so you have no regrets. Quitting before my last relic would've ate at me, so be smart about it.
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By protectorchrono 2015-05-12 14:45:46
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Lakshmi.Chilzen said: »
Paying SE $9 for a reduced transfer at this point is telling them their mishandling of the game and playerbase is A-OK.



Matsui already said there will not be any mergers until after the last update in November, and he has the metrics to see how dire the situation is for populations. SE KNOWS how bad the lack of population has hurt the game and the sub numbers, but they know they can jingle at least one person for that extra month of sub money, instead of realizing the long term benefits they could have had by swallowing their false JP pride and fixing the situation.

That $9 is about the principal of the matter at this time, since even on the deathbed of the game, SE is more concerned about nickel and diming their long time players as opposed to doing a proper send off. The fact that they showcase trusts in the new trailer on Escha content is a pretty big slap in the face, since they're already future proofing this new content and ignoring the community aspect that defined XI for nearly a decade of it's life. No need for paying friends when you can solo with your pals Ulmia and Joachim.

If you're paying money for a service, you personally hold a level of quality you expect for said service. Paying the $9-$18 transfer fee is like paying for a bug fix patch in any other game. You're rewarding SE for purposely screwing over the players to validate the need to pay them $9.


True Strike.


If I'm gonna be paying for a service like this, I want the "bang for my buck". If it's subpar and the quality has become terrible, then SE will not get another penny from me until they make it better to the point that it's worth the money I'm paying for it. But right now, the current state of the game, it's not worth it. That's just my opinion.


The extreme FFXI addicts will probably argue that the game is great right now, but anyone who's been around and has their nostalgia glasses off can see what's wrong with the game as it is now.


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SE KNOWS how bad the lack of population has hurt the game and the sub numbers, but they know they can jingle at least one person for that extra month of sub money, instead of realizing the long term benefits they could have had by swallowing their false JP pride and fixing the situation.


If Matsui waiting til the last minute to implement server merges then he's in for a rude awakening when I'm sure the majority of the playerbase will drop like flies after December. He should use this time when the final story is being implemented to start preparations for mergers, while the game still has a "slightly" okay amount of players left.


The server merges at this point will probably bring some people back, at least for a little while and with more players from other servers, the population could possibly grow a little. But if he's waiting til after November, when no new content or major updates will be made, then he's a Baka (Idiot in english translation lol.)


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The fact that they showcase trusts in the new trailer on Escha content is a pretty big slap in the face, since they're already future proofing this new content and ignoring the community aspect that defined XI for nearly a decade of it's life. No need for paying friends when you can solo with your pals Ulmia and Joachim.


Indeed. The trusts have made the game "a little" more fun to play "solo-wise", but they have their limits and of course, they obviously lack that human to human interaction that people in parties have. All my friends who played FFXI have all quit and left to FFXIV or just plain quit and I doubt anything SE is making for FFXI now will bring them back.


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That $9 is about the principal of the matter at this time, since even on the deathbed of the game, SE is more concerned about nickel and diming their long time players as opposed to doing a proper send off.


Their doing their usual stall tactics to distract from the real problems facing the game.


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Paying the $9-$18 transfer fee is like paying for a bug fix patch in any other game. You're rewarding SE for purposely screwing over the players to validate the need to pay them $9.

SE loves their green and they'll do w/e it takes to make more. I bet you they will be laughing behind their customers backs after December when they will still be sending SE money for nothing new but a game that has basically ended (while the servers won't die off, the no new content, end of PS2/Xbox360 support after March 2016, drastic drop in population, and no more major updates will speak for itself) and will forever remain "as is". No advancement after November is a little depressing, especially if they reward players who complete RoV with some "amazing" gear/weapons and with nothing to do afterwards but old rehash crap.


I'm not trying to condemn those who would still pay after November but I'm saying it's just wasted money for nothing with SE not giving you anything back in return for the money you send them.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-05-12 14:47:53
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If there were 'thousands' of Draylos out there, they were gassed and thrown into mass graves after the last Salvage bans. The crackdown on cheating/botting also acted as purge on the most hardcore obsessed people.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Senyn 2015-05-12 14:49:36
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You're forgetting he (and they)were banned and just started a new account.
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By Lakshmi.Leosin 2015-05-12 14:50:15
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I am still hopeful that they'll give at least one bit of attention to Monstrosity.
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By Keido 2015-05-12 14:51:07
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I'm not trying to condemn those who would still pay after November but I'm saying it's just wasted money for nothing with SE not giving you anything back in return for the money you send them.

Unless those people are still getting whatever enjoyment they get out of the game at that point. Your opinion isn't the end all be all that decides what people do for fun. 12.95 is still pretty damn cheap entertainment.
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