Escha - Zi'Tah

You mean.. you don't want to climb the Elvaan Tower all over again?!

Personally I'd be more than happy with an iLvl Abyssea + Magian trial combo. Ideally with a bit more story, but basically the same mix of lots of bosses, collectible buffs, and long-term gear progression via a non-randomized trial system.

SE seriously needs to add that sort of density of content if they want to keep people playing beyond the end of the year.

They DON'T want you continuing to play, isn't it blatantly obvious yet? You're NEVER going to get new magian updates. EVER. Let that ***go.

Yeah, just remove gimmicks such as Atma and "must bring the same 4 jobs" procs.

It would be easy for them to build a ToM-like system, to. It's mainly rehashing weapon/armor skins, slap various stats, people are happy and they have a clear and steady improvement each step.

That's not particularly true. We (SE employees at the time) expected FFXI to die a slow death before they announced SoA. When they announced it, we all thought they were crazy but we wanted to believe.

They've put enough efforts to tell us that, while we won't get FFXIV tier updates, they will still take care of the game.

Don't be silly. Why wouldn't they add lots of long-term grindy stuff in there to keep people playing and paying? Its not like the Magian trials were particularly expensive asset-wise to develop. Its basically just a massive cut-n-paste script.

Meh :/ You'd think for all the hype they intended to generate about RoV and it being the final storyline, I'd think if they intend to go out with a bang they would at least change it up a little and not rehash unwanted past content style like Abyssea/Dynamis. This is supposed to be the END, so naturally the end should be more....I don't know...appealing?

Especially since they took quite a while to come up with the first add on. But judging from this first add on area it looks like they came up with it overnight while smoking a joint and drinking a can of beer instead of taking 2 months to plan it out. Just lazy designs and rehash, but hey it was to be expected right? I expected something rehashed in some way but this time I wanted them to think out their usual box seeing as this is their finale storylines. :\

I do however like the other stuff that's coming like a second floor to the mog house and extra safe (bout freakin time <_<) and new spells/adjustments (long as these new spells aren't gotten via JP/CP I'll be cool with it, but if it is then screw them. *cringes* at the horrid thought of grinding more JP/CP...no just no. IMO :P)

or something that involved all the other storylines and characters intersecting

It's the first of 3 final updates i'm sure the last two will have more content, maybe not who really cares at this point, I'm willing to wager that we will only have 2 more content updates in total left after this.

That is why I said "too".


Harder =/= More complex. I have never said Abyssea NMs were relatively easier at the beginning.


What I mean by physical restriction is one-way routes to reach NMs, gates etc. In Abyssea, you only use a conflux and that is it.

Edit: My point is Abyssea was softcore in design compared to the harsh environment of Sea/Sky.

People, who want to play until they pull the plug, would most likely prefer to see Sea/Sky type of content rather than an Abyssea-like one

I liked Abyssea too. It was really fun at release without all the atmas and stuff and it added variety to the game, but some people also have legid reasons to prefer a Sea/Sky type of area.

Personally I think sea sucks balls.

Sea is mostly infuriating because it could have been so much more. The areas are huge and intricate, the monster types are unique, which opened the door for unusual TP moves and attributes (requiring new and inventive tactics), and even the rewards were (mostly) interesting and useful without being overpowered.

But man oh man, none of that matters if the time/reward structure is so completely, utterly out of whack that people* would rather do nothing than show up for Sea farming.

* = and FFXI players to boot! These people aren't strangers to hilariously awful grinds for +1 attack.

I'm not talking about the characters or the other storylines, I'm talking about the content concept itself like the abyssea/dynamis style feel about it, it's seems like basic rehash repackaged as new to me.

The concept of the storylines and characters intersecting is interesting but there should be some new styles/areas/new type of content not before seen for the final storyline. If it's rehash similar to old content like abyssea than it just ruins the aspect of how the final story is supposed to be like, at least to me.

This storyline can't be worse than ASA/ACP/MKE in terms of sheer stupidity and since this is free, it really can't do too much damage.

Grayscale Zi'Tah, new reskins, new abilities and adjustments? This is the stuff we spent years asking for.

Right, you spent years asking/waiting for it, when it mattered. Too little too late etc. All 12 people still playing are going to really enjoy the new zone.

And yet you're here. Utilizing brain function and energy to state the obvious. The games coming to a close. Enjoy it for what it is or go play another MMO.

GW2's expansion looks like fun.

By "we" do you mean you? I myself didn't ask for a (IMO) ugly Grayscale version of Zi'tah.

But in terms of "we" as far as new abilities and adjustments, I and I'm sure other players definitely welcome new abilities/adjustments.

Like I said, I'm not talking about the storyline, I'm talking about the content concept of it. The storyline might be really good for all we know, but to me, the content/concept of how it's going to be played in (aka abyssea/dynamis style) is really unappealing.

How many times are you gonna say it? We get it already.

Climb?

You didn't spend years asking for new content? The content you're getting right now? Jesus, some of you act like FF as a brand hasn't recycled monsters, areas and the like for years. Or that people didn't spend years asking for all the JA/job tweaks we get now.

The games strapped for resources. We're not going to see another major TOAU type expansion. Be realistic. Zi'Tah is one of the more popular zones and so we're getting it redone for final story arc.
Yay! New Morbol, Tulfaire and a Diremite model with new TP moves. Yay!

Will the content be good? That's more important than an OMG NEW ZONE. Because there are plenty of new zones over the years that amounted to jackshit. *cough* Arrapago Reef, Vunkerl Inlet, Carpenter's Landing */cough*

Haha, nice.

It's like some people rather SE just pull the plug or straight up say this game is no longer being supported period.

Rhapsodies is free. Abyssea wasn't. Those shitty add-on scenarios weren't either.

Totally agree there. I never completely understood the story behind sea either and it felt (to me) that the story fell apart after reaching sea itself, but the battlefield and fight against promathia was definitely worth pushing through the story.
Sea zones got old quick after clearing the story and getting whatever drop or item via in the name of science offered.

RoV will supposedly tie in everything in the stories of XI right?
Like who is supposed to be the greatest evil in this game?
Promathia? Odin? Hades? Someone new?
I can understand not adding all the content and zones that have been talked about forever in this game, especially now, but I hope that they at least take the time to fill in some of the huge holes in the story.

You seemed to have changed your tune recently, I remember you being one of those people unless I'm mistaken. They do want the game to shut down, it would put a big smile on their faces even though they have played this game for years. It's what makes me feel they have issues even though some here seem to disagree. Why can't people just enjoy whats left, do you not realize this is leading up to the end of something that was very important to a lot of people here?

The greatest 'evil' is the darkness inside of us all if XI is to be believed. We're capable of good and evil.

Odin's pretty neutral though he winds up being the power source of most of the big bads.

Anyone care to explain Ra'Kaznar and Hades?

LMAO indeed!
EVERY Final Fantasy incarnation does this.
Even the mobile FF games are just spritey versions of games already out there.
-If you haven't played FFRK and you are a fan of old-school FF, you need to at least try it.

My tune hasn't changed. XI *is* dying. It's a fact.

However that doesn't mean you can't enjoy what's left. Or make crappy arguments that Abyssea type zones can't be fun if the content isn't trash. New zones are shiny toys but we've seen far too many that get zero play or outright have no content to enjoy in them.

My main grief with SE is that the servers aren't being rolled in for this 'last hurrah' in XI. Most of the servers are dead and trying to squeeze out a server transfer from players in a game with a toe tag on it is silly. Throw everyone on one high pop server and be done with it already. My frustration with current XI is that the server is dead.

Also, it's *** Zi'Tah man. It won't be complete without a massive three-headed goobbue NM as the megaboss.

I'm excited! However, my server is so dead... there's usually like 300-500 players. If that! I want a merge or I may just move servers. None of my irl friends play anyway.