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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2015-04-21 15:41:42
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So everyone should flood Texas so they become the next Florida!

*packing intensifies*

Seconded!

Out-of-state yuppies ruined the quaintness of Austin. Can't even find a person in their mid-to-late-fifties who will regale you with tales of smokin' a doober with Stevie Ray Vaughn or the Red Headed Stranger in ATX's true heyday anymore. SXSW was exponentially less douchetastic and ACL could put Cochella to shame.

Don't like live music until the bars shut down, don't buy downtown!

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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-21 15:44:54
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Out-of-state yuppies ruined the quaintness of Austin.
Austin was already on the shitlist for hosting so many politicians anyway. The yuppies just made it a whole hell of a lot worse!
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2015-04-21 15:46:13
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I want to experience 1970's Austin.

/wipes tear

Nik, halt operations on the Polar Vortex Machine! We need a time machine!
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We need a time machine!
Yeah, I need to make some "corrections" that doesn't involve assassinating a certain person or placing all of my money on a stock that will go up exponentially within a week or putting a nail next to a certain moderator's tire during a certain road trip that happened last week.
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By Cecilia Charl 2015-04-21 15:53:58
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Untrained work deserves untrained pay. I am not paying out thousands of dollars for a computer science degree to make only a little more money than a job flipping mother *** HAMBURGERS and stuffing fries into those little cardboard things. If they seriously pull this ***, the jobs that require training and degrees better go up, otherwise there's no legitimate incentive aside from a few extra bucks an hour.

I've been working at a job for about 3 years now, and I'm making around 10 bucks an hour. If a new guy at McDonalds is making more than me while I'm working here until my degree is done, I will be absolutely livid, because people who have put their time in and became the less than 1% to earn a college degree in the world are basically getting shat on with this financially.
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By Kooljack 2015-04-21 16:28:53
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the thing is; work is work. you should bust ***/slash be strained with multiple tasks at a time. and employers should pay well for it. give your all to do what you do to make a living.

basically the money (15$) an hour is there if you want to take it. just deal with the problems and move up in a company; if there isn't opportunity to grow then move on. move on to what?? well take that job flipping burgers. innout store managers make 100k/year. bust more butt, if you want money, make your life about money. if people would stop acting like their too prestigious for kitchen work well. stfu haters talking about kitchen work is easy. yeah hosting, but being a line cook is a difficult talent not everyone is cut out for. where time, speed, accuracy, performance, precision, ability, talent, professional speaking ability all collude together; to bring and show how professional can you actually carry yourself. guys money is there, talent isn't just book knowledge and certification with a degree. how well your driven to perform with what you have is where the money is.
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By Cecilia Charl 2015-04-21 16:34:27
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the thing is; work is work. you should bust ***/slash be strained with multiple tasks at a time. and employers should pay well for it. give your all to do what you do to make a living.

basically the money (15$) an hour is there if you want to take it. just deal with the problems and move ur *** up in a company; if there isn't opportunity to grow then move on. move on to what?? well take that job flipping burgers. innout store managers make 100k/year. bust more butt, if you want money, make your life about money. stop acting like a child imo
Yeah and the odds of being noticed for a management position at somewhere like McDonalds is extremely low. Saw a lot of people wanting to get into a management position, only to burn themselves out one by one because the current district and higher ups didn't want any more managers on their current staff.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-04-21 16:34:32
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Untrained work deserves untrained pay. I am not paying out thousands of dollars for a computer science degree to make only a little more money than a job flipping mother *** HAMBURGERS and stuffing fries into those little cardboard things. If they seriously pull this ***, the jobs that require training and degrees better go up, otherwise there's no legitimate incentive aside from a few extra bucks an hour.

I've been working at a job for about 3 years now, and I'm making around 10 bucks an hour. If a new guy at McDonalds is making more than me while I'm working here until my degree is done, I will be absolutely livid, because people who have put their time in and became the less than 1% to earn a college degree in the world are basically getting shat on with this financially.
A college degree isn't worth the paper it's written on if you don't use it the right way. There's a bunch of people with them that just kind of expected to be handed a job when they finished and are now in minimum wage jobs.

You not only have to get a degree but know how to use it and if you do that and are still only making a few bucks more than people even with the increased wages then you're probably doing something wrong lol.

Average starting pay for a college grad is somewhere around $45,000 I think...
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By Kooljack 2015-04-21 16:43:09
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the thing is; work is work. you should bust ***/slash be strained with multiple tasks at a time. and employers should pay well for it. give your all to do what you do to make a living.

basically the money (15$) an hour is there if you want to take it. just deal with the problems and move ur *** up in a company; if there isn't opportunity to grow then move on. move on to what?? well take that job flipping burgers. innout store managers make 100k/year. bust more butt, if you want money, make your life about money. stop acting like a child imo
Yeah and the odds of being noticed for a management position at somewhere like McDonalds is extremely low. Saw a lot of people wanting to get into a management position, only to burn themselves out one by one because the current district and higher ups didn't want any more managers on their current staff.

if you can't persuade someone that your worthy of management your probably a lazy/unpleasant person to begin with. once you start looking to other people except yourself for your problems then your already doomed. you need to self-examine who you are constantly. how are you interacting with the people around you to receive what you deserve. persistence to 'help people' with an uncanny ability to be a working and inspiring personality. see you all hate on kitchen work but then when buck hits the fan you can't even persuade a burger house your worthy of management. pull your pants up and do work america, if you want 80-100k/year without degree you can still achieve that in america. noone said it wouldnt require 50hr work weeks tied with Laza-fair(sarcasm) work ethic...
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By Cecilia Charl 2015-04-21 16:56:18
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Kooljack said: »
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Kooljack said: »
the thing is; work is work. you should bust ***/slash be strained with multiple tasks at a time. and employers should pay well for it. give your all to do what you do to make a living.

basically the money (15$) an hour is there if you want to take it. just deal with the problems and move ur *** up in a company; if there isn't opportunity to grow then move on. move on to what?? well take that job flipping burgers. innout store managers make 100k/year. bust more butt, if you want money, make your life about money. stop acting like a child imo
Yeah and the odds of being noticed for a management position at somewhere like McDonalds is extremely low. Saw a lot of people wanting to get into a management position, only to burn themselves out one by one because the current district and higher ups didn't want any more managers on their current staff.

if you can't persuade someone that your worthy of management your probably a lazy/unpleasant person to begin with. once you start looking to other people except yourself for your problems then your already doomed. you need to self-examine who you are constantly. how are you interacting with the people around you to receive what you deserve. persistence to 'help people' with an uncanny ability to be a working and inspiring personality. see you all hate on kitchen work but then when buck hits the fan you can't even persuade a burger house your worthy of management. pull your pants up and do work america, if you want 80-100k/year without degree you can still achieve that in america. noone said it wouldnt require 50hr work weeks tied with Laza-fair(sarcasm) work ethic...

I don't want to manage a McDonald's, I can clearly tell you that. But not only that, I've seen a ton of people trying to get into the management position, coming in early, working non stop until they could hardly breathe, and yet some *** ends up getting the job due to nepotism or something of the sort. All of the current managers at that particular McDonald's I am referring to, the managers will literally scream at their employees that people eating inside have complained to the owners about the managers.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-04-21 17:02:41
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if you can't persuade someone that your worthy of management your probably a lazy/unpleasant person to begin with.
Because the world needs 6 billion CEOs and 100,000 line workers?

Who does a manager manage when everyone is a manager?

This oft-repeated and never-examined myth of boot-strapping and class mobility in the United States really needs to be abandoned. If it was ever true, it died before any of us were born.
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By Fenrir.Testi 2015-04-21 17:10:47
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Tinkering with min wage can help mask the problem of income inequality but it also leads to other problems. I feel the only way to address the issue is by changing the tax code and exempting taxes on labor, food, and buissnesses making profit under an arbitrary low number. This would shift the burden to big buissness and the ultra wealthy investor class.
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By Chyretta 2015-04-21 17:18:44
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You liberal sissy punks! Make better choices with your life and you will not have to work for min wage! If you can not make it in our republic then your a loser big time! There is so much money to be made in America its not funny so the broke ash mamma boys on there if you making under 20 an hour then your a loser and a bum!
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-04-21 20:47:04
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You liberal sissy punks! Make better choices with your life and you will not have to work for min wage! If you can not make it in our republic then your a loser big time! There is so much money to be made in America its not funny so the broke ash mamma boys on there if you making under 20 an hour then your a loser and a bum!
Spoken like someone proud of making $9.75 an hour and determined that no one doing an equally shitty job while wearing a silly paper hat should get as much or more.

Just remember, when your momma finally retires from her lifetime of making 5 figures a year, you don't even have to send her to one of those shitty concentration-camp-style retirement homes, just give a couple home-care workers a bologna sandwich and smile with pleasure when they leave her to drown in her own ***while stealing the TV.
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By Asura.Wormfeeder 2015-04-21 20:58:13
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Tinkering with min wage can help mask the problem of income inequality but it also leads to other problems. I feel the only way to address the issue is by changing the tax code and exempting taxes on labor, food, and buissnesses making profit under an arbitrary low number. This would shift the burden to big buissness and the ultra wealthy investor class.
Nice try. You really think the politicians in D.C. dems and repubs both would do anything to upset their corporate master.
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So Ramyrez thinks having children is a bad thing now? Every time I see my little boy laugh and enjoy life in a way that only a child can, it gives Ramyrez's view on the world a big middle finger.

I don't think having children is a bad thing. I don't think having lots of children is necessarily a bad thing in and of itself.

I think the view that you must have children is a terrible thing.

I think people who have more kids than they can afford is a bad thing.

I think people who have kids because society tells them they should is a bad thing.

I think having too many people for a country that's increasingly losing jobs because of technology is a bad thing, especially in a world where people live longer and longer.

What's wrong with simply having fewer people by way of encouraging people to have fewer children? Maybe tax benefits for not having children. For not making the public pay for schooling and the like?

You're loving your child is a good thing and that he brings you joy is wonderful.

That -- if not you, then others -- seem to think it's the only way to live, or that I'm somehow a lesser person for choosing to not have children...that's the middle finger to a way of life here.

I think something that many of you fail to realize about so many of my "strong feels" is that I didn't just come up with these opinions and feelings and theories on things out of the blue and start trying to push them on people. They're a response to constantly being told everything that I feel so deeply at the core of me is wrong because "god" or "capitalism" or whatever.

1. move to china if you want to live in a society that does not encourage having children and if you must it better be a boy and your only allowed 1.

2. we have a pretty damn big world and your overview of over population is mind boggling delusional.

3. we can fit the entire worlds population side by side in the state of texas and oklahoma put together. So you may want to reconsider the brain washed thinking you and others have that the " world is overpopulated".
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-04-21 21:39:20
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3. we can fit the entire worlds population side by side in the state of texas and oklahoma put together. So you may want to reconsider the brain washed thinking you and others have that the " world is overpopulated".

Uhhh, the width of Texas plus the width of Oklahoma is about 5 million feet. You're going to fit ~7 billion people side by side in that amount of space? You really, really need to actually research the crap that you say before you call other people brainwashed.

Edit: Unless you were talking about fitting people into that amount of area, which is an awfully strange way of saying it but doesn't really help your point.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-21 21:40:40
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2. we have a pretty damn big world and your overview of over population is mind boggling delusional.
You are one to talk about mind boggling delusions.

Because Truth and Justice!

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3. we can fit the entire worlds population side by side in the state of texas and oklahoma put together. So you may want to reconsider the brain washed thinking you and others have that the " world is overpopulated".
It's pretty obvious that you never been to a country with a population density issue. Come back with an opinion when you live in Japan or China for an extended period of time.
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By Fenrir.Testi 2015-04-21 23:10:51
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Tinkering with min wage can help mask the problem of income inequality but it also leads to other problems. I feel the only way to address the issue is by changing the tax code and exempting taxes on labor, food, and buissnesses making profit under an arbitrary low number. This would shift the burden to big buissness and the ultra wealthy investor class.
Nice try. You really think the politicians in D.C. dems and repubs both would do anything to upset their corporate master.

All I said was it would work and I stand by that. Of course it will not happen because politicians don't recieve large contribution from anyone on min wage. The political will to do so would have to come from a very angry populace along with fearful oligarchs.
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By Siren.Lordgrim 2015-04-22 00:26:15
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3. we can fit the entire worlds population side by side in the state of texas and oklahoma put together. So you may want to reconsider the brain washed thinking you and others have that the " world is overpopulated".

Uhhh, the width of Texas plus the width of Oklahoma is about 5 million feet. You're going to fit ~7 billion people side by side in that amount of space? You really, really need to actually research the crap that you say before you call other people brainwashed.

Edit: Unless you were talking about fitting people into that amount of area, which is an awfully strange way of saying it but doesn't really help your point.


In just Texas alone we could fit the world's population each person could have 1 thousand square feet to themselves. That's equivalent to 10 parking spaces. There is research to
back it up.

Am I advocating to do this by no means am I. I apologize for telling you the truth. It seems you are only accustomed to being lied. This is a big world. Blame the folks living in cramped spaces and deserts where they can't grow anything.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-04-22 01:00:33
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Uhhh, the width of Texas plus the width of Oklahoma is about 5 million feet. You're going to fit ~7 billion people side by side in that amount of space? You really, really need to actually research the crap that you say before you call other people brainwashed.
Fun fact: if all 7 billion of us stood shoulder-to-shoulder, we'd occupy roughly the same space as the island of Zanzibar. It's a little under 1000 square miles.

Not that anyone in their right mind would want to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with every other human on Earth. And those places comfortably habitable by humans and accessible to the amenities of life, manufacture, and commerce are rather more spread out, of course.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-04-22 01:46:32
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Siren.Lordgrim said: »
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Siren.Lordgrim said: »
3. we can fit the entire worlds population side by side in the state of texas and oklahoma put together. So you may want to reconsider the brain washed thinking you and others have that the " world is overpopulated".

Uhhh, the width of Texas plus the width of Oklahoma is about 5 million feet. You're going to fit ~7 billion people side by side in that amount of space? You really, really need to actually research the crap that you say before you call other people brainwashed.

Edit: Unless you were talking about fitting people into that amount of area, which is an awfully strange way of saying it but doesn't really help your point.


In just Texas alone we could fit the world's population each person could have 1 thousand square feet to themselves. That's equivalent to 10 parking spaces. There is research to
back it up.

Am I advocating to do this by no means am I. I apologize for telling you the truth. It seems you are only accustomed to being lied. This is a big world. Blame the folks living in cramped spaces and deserts where they can't grow anything.

Uhh, there's "research" to back it up? This isn't mathematician-grade stuff here. A simple calculator is all you'd need. Regardless, I'm not even concerned about the world's population, so stop assuming that everyone who doesn't follow your particular brand of lunacy is brainwashed. You cited pointless statistics and expected it to actually mean something without taking into regard all the societal and economic factors that affect the world's ability to sustain the human population. That's what I have a problem with.
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Untrained work deserves untrained pay. I am not paying out thousands of dollars for a computer science degree to make only a little more money than a job flipping mother *** HAMBURGERS and stuffing fries into those little cardboard things. If they seriously pull this ***, the jobs that require training and degrees better go up, otherwise there's no legitimate incentive aside from a few extra bucks an hour.

I've been working at a job for about 3 years now, and I'm making around 10 bucks an hour. If a new guy at McDonalds is making more than me while I'm working here until my degree is done, I will be absolutely livid, because people who have put their time in and became the less than 1% to earn a college degree in the world are basically getting shat on with this financially.

This is how the hiring process works, from someone who actually does the interviews and provides recommendations to the hiring authority.

After your resume gets through the sh!thole that is HR OCR key word scanning, or gets put directly on my desk, we go through them picking out the top ten for phone interviews. We don't have time to do a sh!t ton of interviews so we go with the best written resumes that highlight the work area's we are interested in. I will then call these people and schedule a phone interview where I will ask them numerous questions that include probing questions about their work background and past projects that might include relevant work experience. Doing this I can spot paper monkeys a mile away, they don't make the final list. I will whittle down the potential candidates to three to five that could actually do the job in question and won't be using us as a "stepping stone", I will pass those onto my boss who is the hiring authority. After doing his own phone interview with each of them, he'll start salary negotiations with who he feels is top, which is usually the one I recommended.

Salary is a negotiation process by which the hiring authority will always low ball, always. Too many people take this number as final and just accept it, the smart ones will ask for something higher, but not too much higher, and a compromise is worked out. Now this is for a highly skilled position where there is minimal real competition.

For minimal skill entry level positions, this system is radically different. HR sh!t system will do OCR key word recognition and hand out a stack of resumes, we don't bother with technical interview and just do regular interviews. When it comes to salary negotiations, it's very much a "take it or leave it" situation with the base salary being determined by how many people apply vs how many positions available. Raising the minimum wage will do jack sh!t to raise the entry level salary nor will it guarantee a raise to anyone above minimum, though they might be able to negotiate one. The only people who get raise's are those with union contracts who have salary indexed as a multiplier of the minimum wage.

Minimum wages are perfectly fine when applied directly by the voters in the effected geographical area. The costs of living vary wildly by state, region and even county, what might be perfectly normal in an upscale / wealthy area would be atrociously high in lower cost area.
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It's pretty obvious that you never been to a country with a population density issue. Come back with an opinion when you live in Japan or China for an extended period of time.

He is correct in that the world has plenty of living space for a human population 5~10 times larger then current. The problem is every human likes to live in the same places due to economics which results in overcrowded of some area's and underpopulation of others. East China has a population problem because that is where all the work is while West China has a problem where all their children are going to the east and not leaving enough to work the farms and maintain that population. South Korea and Japan both have the same issue. In South Korean half the countries population lives in the same region with one fifth living in the countries capitol. The next largest city is less then half the population size of the capitol and even those cities have gigantic populations by US standards. This leaves all the rural area's depopulation and struggling to maintain enough people to work and have kids. Japan has the same issue with Tokyo, though they have done a better job at spreading the labor centers around.

So what we have isn't an overpopulation problem, but a problem with how that population is dispersed. The only real solution is to build new urban centers in more remote locations and incentivize the population to move there.
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More company's need to do this
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2015-04-22 02:53:27
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Asura.Saevel said: »
someone who actually does the interviews and provides recommendations to the hiring authority.
A lot of things have suddenly started to make sense.
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A lot of things have suddenly started to make sense.

Yes some of us actually work and have careers that don't center around a liberal arts degree. We worked hard to get where we are at, much harder then yourself and that has caused us to develop much different political views then those of you who feel entitled to constant hand outs.
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I put the same video up ryanx and it was called a communist act for giving people a living wage lol. In truth it is honest capitalism where a CEO really cares about his employees and not a huge bonus.

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It's pretty obvious that you never been to a country with a population density issue. Come back with an opinion when you live in Japan or China for an extended period of time.

He is correct in that the world has plenty of living space for a human population 5~10 times larger the current. The problem is every human likes to live in the same places due to economics which results in overcrowded of some area's and underpopulation of others. East China has a population problem because that is where all the work is while West China has a problem where all their children are going to the east and not leaving enough to work the farms and maintain that population. South Korea and Japan both have the same issue. In South Korean half the countries population lives in the same region with one fifth living in the countries capitol. The next largest city is less then half the population size of the capitol and even those cities have gigantic populations by US standards. This leaves all the rural area's depopulation and struggling to maintain enough people to work and have kids. Japan has the same issue with Tokyo, though they have done a better job at spreading the labor centers around.

So what we have isn't an overpopulation problem, but a problem with how that population is dispersed. The only real solution is to build new urban centers in more remote locations and incentivize the population to move there.

Look up Agenda 21 from the United nations they are adopting this program even to this day which is unconstitutional and treason for current serving representatives and previous still alive who allowed foreign policy's to take place on American soil in our 50 states.

We would be in a better world without the following.

1. United nations
2. The federal reserve or any centralized banking institutions.
3. The council of foreign relations
4. The trilateral commission
5. The ad council
6. No more Republican or Democrats or to put it simply abolish political parties.
7. No more free trade acts because they are anything but free and they destroy nations economies.
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Siren.Lordgrim said: »
I put the same video up ryanx and it was called a communist act for giving people a living wage lol. In truth it is honest capitalism where a CEO really cares about his employees and not a huge bonus.
Spotting satire is not a strong suit to you, isn't it?

Siren.Lordgrim said: »
Look up Agenda 21 from the United nations they are adopting this program even to this day which is unconstitutional and treason for current serving representatives and previous still alive who allowed foreign policy's to take place on American soil in our 50 states.
So, add "non-binding" and "voluntary" on the ever growing list of words flower head doesn't understand. Might as well add "satire" to it too, just to get it out of the way.

I mean, the UN's rules and regulations trump any one country's laws in your mind, doesn't it?
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While we are at it:

Siren.Lordgrim said: »
We would be in a better world without the following.

1. United nations
2. The federal reserve or any centralized banking institutions.
3. The council of foreign relations
4. The trilateral commission
5. The ad council
6. No more Republican or Democrats or to put it simply abolish political parties.
7. No more free trade acts because they are anything but free and they destroy nations economies.

More evidence that you do not love your country, instead you wish economic, social, and political ruin to your country and create horrid foreign relations and wish other countries to go to war with us.

If you really love this country like you proclaim you do, then go to the FBI and turn yourself in as the domestic terrorist that you are. Don't worry, just show the agents this website and they will arrest you for your own protection and the protection of others. Either that or go live on an uncharted deserted island, wildlife preferred but not needed.

Do it soon because you are 5 logical steps away from blowing yourself up in a movie theater in the name of your version of truth and justice (aka jihad). I do not want people to die for your stupidity and your extreme dislike of learning/educating yourself.
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