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First official GOP President announcement
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-04-13 15:28:09
Actually if you want to be really fiscally responsible, you need cheap abortions and cut welfare. Better yet, not have the government pay for those abortions and cut welfare. The government doesn't pay for abortions sooooooooo... So, are you saying that there is absolutely no funding from the federal government to fund abortion clinics? Care to be proven wrong? So you wanted to prove me right? Go read it again unless you're trying to make that tired argument that by funding other parts of the organization you fund abortions too, which they don't.
Um, funding parts of an organization funds pretty much all of said organization, because it frees up cash to be used for its other parts.
Logic. So what you're saying is that neither federal nor state dollars do not go directly to abortions then? Yeah.
You can make whatever round about argument that you want about it but the fact remains that the government doesn't fund abortions.
Personally I don't like it any more than you do. There's a ludicrous amount of abortions performed every year and my personal stance doesn't really mesh with that. However, that doesn't mean I'm going to try to end funding for everything else good that the organization does in some kind of ludicrous attempt to relate one to the other.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-04-13 15:28:44
So, at best tax dollars help fund an organization that provides many necessary and important reproductive services, one happens to be abortions. They also perform lots of keeping fetuses alive services. Spin it however you want to make it look more pretty. My point still stands. I'm not the one spinning it, the government isn't "funding abortions" any more than it's "funding rape" by paying for prisons. There's one important takeaway from the planned parenthood "controversy"... You don't get to dictate what specific uses your tax dollars go to, and everyone has their own version of planned parenthood. Just accept that there are going to be things in this world that aren't pretty.
Uh, rape isn't on the books as an intentional business service that a prison provides. You can do better than that analogy. And no, you can't dictate what specific uses your tax dollars go to, but you can choose to supply tax dollars to businesses who only provide services that you'd want your tax dollars to be used for.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-04-13 15:29:28
So, at best tax dollars help fund an organization that provides many necessary and important reproductive services, one happens to be abortions. They also perform lots of keeping fetuses alive services.
Spin it however you want to make it look more pretty. My point still stands. You're the one that's attempting to spin something lol. Your point is weak and has been shut down from a legal standpoint for quite some time now.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-04-13 15:30:28
So, at best tax dollars help fund an organization that provides many necessary and important reproductive services, one happens to be abortions. They also perform lots of keeping fetuses alive services. Spin it however you want to make it look more pretty. My point still stands. I'm not the one spinning it, the government isn't "funding abortions" any more than it's "funding rape" by paying for prisons. There's one important takeaway from the planned parenthood "controversy"... You don't get to dictate what specific uses your tax dollars go to, and everyone has their own version of planned parenthood. Just accept that there are going to be things in this world that aren't pretty.
Uh, rape isn't on the books as an intentional business service that a prison provides. You can do better than that analogy. And no, you can't dictate what specific uses your tax dollars go to, but you can choose to supply tax dollars to businesses who only provide services that you'd want your tax dollars to be used for. You just contradicted yourself.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-04-13 15:32:14
So, at best tax dollars help fund an organization that provides many necessary and important reproductive services, one happens to be abortions. They also perform lots of keeping fetuses alive services. Spin it however you want to make it look more pretty. My point still stands. You're the one that's attempting to spin something lol. Your point is weak and has been shut down from a legal standpoint for quite some time now.
Just because it's fine from a legal standpoint doesn't mean it isn't stupid. Any lawyer could tell you that.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-04-13 15:32:53
You just contradicted yourself.
Only if you lack reading comprehension.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-04-13 15:33:59
So, at best tax dollars help fund an organization that provides many necessary and important reproductive services, one happens to be abortions. They also perform lots of keeping fetuses alive services. Spin it however you want to make it look more pretty. My point still stands. I'm not the one spinning it, the government isn't "funding abortions" any more than it's "funding rape" by paying for prisons. There's one important takeaway from the planned parenthood "controversy"... You don't get to dictate what specific uses your tax dollars go to, and everyone has their own version of planned parenthood. Just accept that there are going to be things in this world that aren't pretty.
Uh, rape isn't on the books as an intentional business service that a prison provides. You can do better than that analogy. And no, you can't dictate what specific uses your tax dollars go to, but you can choose to supply tax dollars to businesses who only provide services that you'd want your tax dollars to be used for.
Double negatives aside, no, individuals don't get a say in what programs the government funds.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-04-13 15:35:10
So, at best tax dollars help fund an organization that provides many necessary and important reproductive services, one happens to be abortions. They also perform lots of keeping fetuses alive services. Spin it however you want to make it look more pretty. My point still stands. You're the one that's attempting to spin something lol. Your point is weak and has been shut down from a legal standpoint for quite some time now.
Just because it's fine from a legal standpoint doesn't mean it isn't stupid. Any lawyer could tell you that. So you're the arbiter of what's stupid and what isn't then?
Edit: Why would lawyers tell you this and why would that matter?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-04-13 15:35:20
Double negatives aside, no, individuals don't get a say in what programs the government funds.
The proverbial "you" wasn't being used to denote individuals in that post.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-04-13 15:36:24
So, at best tax dollars help fund an organization that provides many necessary and important reproductive services, one happens to be abortions. They also perform lots of keeping fetuses alive services. Spin it however you want to make it look more pretty. My point still stands. You're the one that's attempting to spin something lol. Your point is weak and has been shut down from a legal standpoint for quite some time now. Just because it's fine from a legal standpoint doesn't mean it isn't stupid. Any lawyer could tell you that. So you're the arbiter of what's stupid and what isn't then?
See my post about reading comprehension above.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-04-13 15:37:05
You just contradicted yourself.
Only if you lack reading comprehension.
He does, take it from me.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-04-13 15:38:23
So, at best tax dollars help fund an organization that provides many necessary and important reproductive services, one happens to be abortions. They also perform lots of keeping fetuses alive services. Spin it however you want to make it look more pretty. My point still stands. You're the one that's attempting to spin something lol. Your point is weak and has been shut down from a legal standpoint for quite some time now. Just because it's fine from a legal standpoint doesn't mean it isn't stupid. Any lawyer could tell you that. So you're the arbiter of what's stupid and what isn't then?
See my post about reading comprehension above. god you're getting to be more and more like Nausi lol... and I thought you were one of the sane ones.
It's legal. It's been proven that they aren't funding it directly. Yet people still flail about looking for any excuse they can.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-04-13 15:39:19
Having Nausi on your side... you sure you want that? lol...
He's the one that still thinks the cop shooting the guy on the video is a conspiracy lol...
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-04-13 15:39:37
Double negatives aside, no, individuals don't get a say in what programs the government funds.
The proverbial "you" wasn't being used to denote individuals in that post.
Proverbial you or not changes nothing. Planned parenthood provides 99 services that you do agree with and one you don't... Your point is nonsense.
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By fonewear 2015-04-13 15:41:25
If we are talking about raping Hillary I'm way ahead of you !
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-04-13 15:42:57
My point was simply that giving them funds for certain business-related services frees up funds for other services. You guys are spinning this way too hard to try and make a point that isn't even being argued. Keep your feels in check.
By fonewear 2015-04-13 15:43:18
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By fonewear 2015-04-13 15:45:58
Double negatives aside, no, individuals don't get a say in what programs the government funds.
The proverbial "you" wasn't being used to denote individuals in that post.
Proverbial you or not changes nothing. Planned parenthood provides 99 services that you do agree with and one you don't... Your point is nonsense.
Does it provide ugly women birth control ?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-04-13 15:46:16
Having Nausi on your side... you sure you want that? lol...
He's the one that still thinks the cop shooting the guy on the video is a conspiracy lol...
I never said that I thought it was, just that I wouldn't be surprised if there was more to it.
There's more to being a conspiracy theorist than simple skepticism, but thanks for proving my point.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-04-13 15:49:01
My point was simply that giving them funds for certain business-related services frees up funds for other services. You guys are spinning this way too hard to try and make a point that isn't even being argued. Keep your feels in check. How are feels involved in this or is this just the standard republican argument nowadays?
As I've said previously the only spin is coming from your side. your "point" has been attempted to be made numerous times before and shot down numerous times before. I even brought it up in my original reply to KN.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-04-13 15:50:44
My point was simply that giving them funds for certain business-related services frees up funds for other services. You guys are spinning this way too hard to try and make a point that isn't even being argued. Keep your feels in check. How are feels involved in this or is this just the standard republican argument nowadays? As I've said previously the only spin is coming from your side. your "point" has been attempted to be made numerous times before and shot down numerous times before. I even brought it up in my original reply to KN.
Then you should have no problem proving my bolded statement wrong. Good luck.
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-04-13 15:51:17
My point was simply that giving them funds for certain business-related services frees up funds for other services. You guys are spinning this way too hard to try and make a point that isn't even being argued. Keep your feels in check.
So, by your logic, the government is funding vacations for corporate executives by giving them tax breaks or funding for research which frees up funds for executives to take half-million dollar retreats to Las Vegas.
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By fonewear 2015-04-13 15:51:17
The only feels that matter are how women feel. Men need not apply.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-04-13 15:57:05
My point was simply that giving them funds for certain business-related services frees up funds for other services. You guys are spinning this way too hard to try and make a point that isn't even being argued. Keep your feels in check. So, by your logic, the government is funding vacations for corporate executives by giving them tax breaks or funding for research which frees up funds for executives to take half-million dollar retreats to Las Vegas.
Failed analogy #2. Still can't think of one that actually deals with funding and services that a business provides? Keep trying, you'll find one eventually to get that much-needed "gotcha" you're looking for.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-13 16:03:00
Nobody seems to want to argue what is reported under public record
Planned Parenthood received $169 million in federal grants. And yet, had only $148 million in total expenses.
Now, not all of the expenses were incurred for those free abortions, but some of them were....and federal money was used to pay for it.
Care to argue that? Or are you going to say that the tax form they prepared and signed on is wrong just for your argument's sake?
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-04-13 16:07:55
My point was simply that giving them funds for certain business-related services frees up funds for other services. You guys are spinning this way too hard to try and make a point that isn't even being argued. Keep your feels in check. So, by your logic, the government is funding vacations for corporate executives by giving them tax breaks or funding for research which frees up funds for executives to take half-million dollar retreats to Las Vegas.
Failed analogy #2. Still can't think of one that actually deals with funding and services that a business provides? Keep trying, you'll find one eventually to get that much-needed "gotcha" you're looking for.
No, you're setting an incredibly narrow bar for equivalency because you think it bolsters your point. It doesn't. It's irrelevant whether it's "on the menu", it's something that happens that may not be able to happen without tax dollars, the same with the abuses in prisons, the abuses at Abu Ghraib/Gitmo, the massive bonuses and options for pharma executives, etc. And, once again, you're picking one single procedure they offer and equating the organization with a gas chamber for infants, when the vast majority of their business model revolves around reproductive health and education.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-04-13 16:15:17
No, you're setting an incredibly narrow bar for equivalency because you think it bolsters your point. It doesn't. It's irrelevant whether it's "on the menu", it's something that happens that may not be able to happen without tax dollars, the same with the abuses in prisons, the abuses at Abu Ghraib/Gitmo, the massive bonuses and options for pharma executives, etc. And, once again, you're picking one single procedure they offer and equating the organization with a gas chamber for infants, when the vast majority of their business model revolves around reproductive health and education.
I'm setting an incredibly narrow bar for equivalency? Au contraire, I'm not the one equating business expenses with prison rape. Your flair for hyperbole and putting words in my mouth is a sad attempt to win an argument that I wasn't even making to begin with. Let it go.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-13 16:16:57
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By Odin.Jassik 2015-04-13 16:17:43
Um, funding parts of an organization funds pretty much all of said organization, because it frees up cash to be used for its other parts.
Right, this isn't arguing that tax dollars are paying for abortions...
Hyperbole isn't intended to be taken literally, bud, I'm not being hyperbolic unless you are as well.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-13 16:21:18
I would have expected you of all people to argue against the 990 Jassik.
Since you like to argue stuff you don't understand...
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