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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-04-08 22:08:11
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Polling time:

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General Election: Bush vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 46, Bush 40 Clinton +6
General Election: Walker vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 46, Walker 42 Clinton +4
General Election: Paul vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 46, Paul 42 Clinton +4
General Election: Cruz vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 49, Cruz 43 Clinton +6
General Election: Rubio vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 46, Rubio 43 Clinton +3
General Election: Christie vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 46, Christie 37 Clinton +9
General Election: Huckabee vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 48, Huckabee 41 Clinton +7
General Election: Carson vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 47, Carson 42 Clinton +5
General Election: Perry vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 48, Perry 39 Clinton +9
2016 Democratic Presidential Nomination PPP (D) Clinton 54, Warren 14, Biden 7, Sanders 6, O'Malley 3, Webb 2 Clinton +40
Election 2016 Presidential Polls

Looks like Rubio is out in front atm.

Depressing results though, ugh.

Polls this far out mean nothing, their value comes in shaping and funneling public opinion rather than reflecting it.
We can only hope so.
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By Zackan 2015-04-09 00:35:55
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Polling time:

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General Election: Bush vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 46, Bush 40 Clinton +6
General Election: Walker vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 46, Walker 42 Clinton +4
General Election: Paul vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 46, Paul 42 Clinton +4
General Election: Cruz vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 49, Cruz 43 Clinton +6
General Election: Rubio vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 46, Rubio 43 Clinton +3
General Election: Christie vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 46, Christie 37 Clinton +9
General Election: Huckabee vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 48, Huckabee 41 Clinton +7
General Election: Carson vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 47, Carson 42 Clinton +5
General Election: Perry vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 48, Perry 39 Clinton +9
2016 Democratic Presidential Nomination PPP (D) Clinton 54, Warren 14, Biden 7, Sanders 6, O'Malley 3, Webb 2 Clinton +40
Election 2016 Presidential Polls

Looks like Rubio is out in front atm.

Depressing results though, ugh.

Polls this far out mean nothing, their value comes in shaping and funneling public opinion rather than reflecting it.
We can only hope so.


I know right, Rubio needs to be in 3rd place behind Cruz and Paul
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-04-09 10:30:50
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Zackan said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
Polling time:

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General Election: Bush vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 46, Bush 40 Clinton +6
General Election: Walker vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 46, Walker 42 Clinton +4
General Election: Paul vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 46, Paul 42 Clinton +4
General Election: Cruz vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 49, Cruz 43 Clinton +6
General Election: Rubio vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 46, Rubio 43 Clinton +3
General Election: Christie vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 46, Christie 37 Clinton +9
General Election: Huckabee vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 48, Huckabee 41 Clinton +7
General Election: Carson vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 47, Carson 42 Clinton +5
General Election: Perry vs. Clinton PPP (D) Clinton 48, Perry 39 Clinton +9
2016 Democratic Presidential Nomination PPP (D) Clinton 54, Warren 14, Biden 7, Sanders 6, O'Malley 3, Webb 2 Clinton +40
Election 2016 Presidential Polls

Looks like Rubio is out in front atm.

Depressing results though, ugh.

Polls this far out mean nothing, their value comes in shaping and funneling public opinion rather than reflecting it.
We can only hope so.


I know right, Rubio needs to be in 3rd place behind Cruz and Paul

Ugh.... I think he might be at the end of the line of candidates I think I could stomach voting for.

He really gives off an "establishment/rino" flavor.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2015-04-09 10:36:19
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There is STILL lots of room in the clown car.

Now where did I leave that popcorn? .....
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-09 10:51:01
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
There is STILL lots of room in the clown car.

Now where did I leave that popcorn? .....
Yeah, it's practically empty.

Nobody started running for the liberal/democrat side yet. Lots of room to fill it up, even with Hillary's ego.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-04-09 12:33:34
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Guys, if you think there wasn't enough rinos in the GOP pool already, look no further! Former RI Senator and Gov Lincoln Chaffee is announcing his bid for the biggest squish pander weeny republican evah!
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-04-10 02:19:10
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Quinnipiac surveyed three crucial swing states — Colorado, Iowa, and Virginia — and found Clinton's lead slipping against her possible Republican rivals. Peter Brown, assistant director of the polling outfit, said the shift is because voters increasingly see Clinton as a dishonest candidate.

"Clinton's lead is wilting against leading Republican presidential candidates," Quinnipiac said in its write-up of the survey. "In head-to-head matchups, every Republican candidate effectively ties her in Colorado and almost all Republicans effectively tie her in Iowa."

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Kentucky), who launched his campaign for president this week, performed particularly well against Clinton in the poll. In Colorado, Paul led Clinton 44% to 41%, and in Iowa, he narrowly led her 43% to 42%.

However, Brown said Clinton should be concerned that all of her potential Republican foes appear to be gaining traction against her.

"These numbers are a boost for US Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky as he formally launches his campaign," he said in a statement. "Ominous for Hillary Clinton is the broad scope of the movement today compared to her showing in Quinnipiac University's mid-February survey. It isn't just one or two Republicans who are stepping up; it's virtually the entire GOP field that is running better against her."

Brown attributed Clinton's drop in the polls to the recent controversy over her email use as secretary of state. At the start of last month, The New York Times reported Clinton exclusively used her personal email for official government business, which allegedly broke federal guidelines and could have placed sensitive communications at risk. Facing a barrage of criticism, Clinton eventually said she turned over about 30,o00 work-related emails to the State Department. However, she raised eyebrows by revealing she deleted the other 30,000 "personal" messages on her server.

"It is difficult to see Secretary Clinton's slippage as anything other than a further toll on her image from the furor over her email," Brown said.

"In all three of these states, more, and in Colorado many more, registered voters say she is not honest and trustworthy," Brown added. "Voters do think she is a strong leader — a key metric — but unless she can change the honesty perception, running as a competent but dishonest candidate has serious potential problems."

In his own analysis of the poll, Veteran Politico reporter Mike Allen agreed that the coverage of Clinton's email controversy has taken a toll on her likely presidential campaign. Accordingly, he said it is likely Republicans will increasingly attack Clinton for being a "liar."

"So now we know why, as Rand Paul revealed to Politico in a post-announcement interview, he plans to make a major push on Clinton character, focusing on emails and Clinton Foundation finances," Allen wrote in his Thursday morning newsletter. "We can see from this poll that the coverage is killing Clinton, putting her even with clowns like Huckabee in swing states (tied 41-41 in Colo.) because so many people consider her a liar. GOP focus groups show this vulnerability. So even more money and more groups will focus on her scandals."

However, the Quinnipiac poll also had some good news for Clinton: She's holding onto her lead in Virginia. The state used to be solidly Republican but voted twice for President Barack Obama. In the survey, Clinton led Paul 47% to 43% in the state and beat other Republicans by even wider margins.

"Of the three states tested, Virginia seems to be the friendliest toward Hillary Clinton, perhaps a continuing reflection of the Old Dominion's leftward drift over the past decade," Brown said. "Only yesterday, it seemed, it was deeply red."
More and more voters don't trust Hillary Clinton and it's doing some major damage
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2015-04-10 03:04:28
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There's good news on the horizon.

While Clinton is expect to announce this Saturday, Rand Paul's results in polling have gone up in some key states.

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Democrat Hillary Clinton has slipped against leading 2016 Republican candidates in Colorado, Iowa and Virginia, according to a poll released on Thursday that cited damage from the furor over the former secretary of state's emails.

The Quinnipiac University Swing State Poll also showed Clinton in a close race with U.S. Senator Rand Paul, the Kentucky Republican who declared his candidacy on Tuesday.

Clinton, who is expected to announce her White House bid this month, is tied with all the Republican candidates in Colorado and almost all of them in the early voting state of Iowa, the poll said.

"It isn't just one or two Republicans who are stepping up; it's virtually the entire GOP field that is running better against her" since the last swing state survey on Feb. 18, pollster Peter Brown said in a statement.

He attributed the drop to the controversy that erupted in March over Clinton's use of personal email for work when she was America's top diplomat. Republicans have raised the prospect of congressional hearings on the issue.

Paul led Clinton by 44 percent to 41 percent in Colorado and 43 percent to 42 percent in Iowa, the Quinnipiac poll showed. In Virginia, Clinton led 47 percent to 43 percent.

"These numbers are a boost for U.S. Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky as he formally launches his campaign," Brown said.

The poll cited a bright spot for Clinton in Virginia, where she led all Republicans, including former Florida Governor Jeb Bush, whom she led with 47 percent to 40 percent, compared to a 42-42 percent tie in February.

The telephone poll of 2,803 likely voters was conducted from March 29 through April 7 and had an error margin of 3.2 percentage points in Iowa and Virginia and 3.3 points in Colorado.
Rand Paul up, Clinton down in 2016 presidential poll


Very similar to the article above, but different perspective and source.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-04-10 09:41:53
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Hilary doners must be getting skittish at that news. There will be a backlash against her, and at the very least she'll grab the party across the line kicking and screaming. I'm not entirely sure she'll make it to the nomination.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-04-10 09:50:53
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Polls this far out mean nothing, their value comes in shaping and funneling public opinion rather than reflecting it.
But now Hillary should be afraid because of new polls still this far out or I guess her donors should be skittish?
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-04-10 10:00:11
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I'm not entirely sure she'll make it to the nomination.

not without twin 55 gallon drums of botox and..... /thinks
whatever they called the reanimator serum in the movie reanimator....

honk if you love grandma clinton for president
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-04-10 10:00:45
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
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Polls this far out mean nothing, their value comes in shaping and funneling public opinion rather than reflecting it.
But now Hillary should be afraid because of new polls still this far out?

Well the polls mean nothing as far as how people will vote next year at this point, but they still convey impressions and shape public opinion.

The problem for her with this polling is that she has to go and ask doners for money when there's polling out that shows she's not the "sure thing" everyone thinks she is. Do these doners know how useless the polling is? Some might, some might not.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-04-10 10:17:23
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her Achilles heel has always been her personality... if she has to go out and press flesh for votes...and it looks like she will have to... she will run into the same trouble as 2008.

money has never been the problem
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2015-04-10 10:18:03
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Announcing on a Sunday too? Looks like she's going to try and run the "first womyn president evah" candidacy as far under the radar as she can.

'I don't wanna be in the spotlight, just fork over that office quietly...'

Not even sure how that's even going to be possible.
 
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-04-10 10:33:11
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
Shiva.Nikolce said: »
her Achilles heel has always been her personality... if she has to go out and press flesh for votes...and it looks like she will have to... she will run into the same trouble as 2008.

money has never been the problem

She could also use Obama's strategy, be quiet and let republicans talk.
That only goes so far. As Nik mentioned to she doesn't have the best personality either so the way she interacts with the press and such is a real negative for her. It would be surprising to see it change all that dramatically too so who knows.

Republicans not being able to pick a front runner and bash eachother for awhile before the real race even begins always helps out though lol.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-04-10 10:33:55
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the "first womyn president evah" candidacy
This is the kinda ***that only really does a disservice to your own party.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-10 10:38:04
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the "first womyn president evah" candidacy
This is the kinda ***that only really does a disservice to your own party.
Wait, you mean to tell us that having the "first <insert minority status> president" isn't the main strategy of the liberal/democrat party?

Because that is how they ran Obama....
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-04-10 10:45:32
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
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the "first womyn president evah" candidacy
This is the kinda ***that only really does a disservice to your own party.
Wait, you mean to tell us that having the "first <insert minority status> president" isn't the main strategy of the liberal/democrat party?

Because that is how they ran Obama....
No I mean putting it up like "First Womyn Prezident evah" instead of just calling it out like we believe they're running on her being a woman instead of any actual credibility.
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By fonewear 2015-04-10 10:58:57
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the "first womyn president evah" candidacy
This is the kinda ***that only really does a disservice to your own party.
Wait, you mean to tell us that having the "first <insert minority status> president" isn't the main strategy of the liberal/democrat party?

Because that is how they ran Obama....

First Grandma to be President ! When she makes cookies she does it the old fashioned way. Tells a servant to make them !
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By fonewear 2015-04-10 11:02:27
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Her wrinkles have wrinkles !

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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
the "first womyn president evah" candidacy
This is the kinda ***that only really does a disservice to your own party.
Wait, you mean to tell us that having the "first <insert minority status> president" isn't the main strategy of the liberal/democrat party?

Because that is how they ran Obama....
No I mean putting it up like "First Womyn Prezident evah" instead of just calling it out like we believe they're running on her being a woman instead of any actual credibility.
But he did do that.

She has no credibility, especially if you going to go off her record as a NY Senator and SOS. So, why else are they running her for president? Because they know there's enough stupid people out there who will vote for her based by her gender, not by what she brings to the country.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-04-10 11:07:17
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Because that is how they ran Obama....

08? they ran obama like a steam roller right over top of grandma clinton and then blew the air horn and kept going.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2015-04-10 11:09:21
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Because they know there's enough stupid people out there who will vote for her based by her gender, not by what she brings to the country.

we'll see what happens in the primaries but history shows that regular people have a hard time pulling the lever to vote for that evil crow.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2015-04-10 11:11:55
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
Ragnarok.Nausi said: »
the "first womyn president evah" candidacy
This is the kinda ***that only really does a disservice to your own party.
Wait, you mean to tell us that having the "first <insert minority status> president" isn't the main strategy of the liberal/democrat party?

Because that is how they ran Obama....
No I mean putting it up like "First Womyn Prezident evah" instead of just calling it out like we believe they're running on her being a woman instead of any actual credibility.
But he did do that.

She has no credibility, especially if you going to go off her record as a NY Senator and SOS. So, why else are they running her for president? Because they know there's enough stupid people out there who will vote for her based by her gender, not by what she brings to the country.
Nvm KN, just nvm.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-04-10 11:13:57
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Because that is how they ran Obama....

08? they ran obama like a steam roller right over top of grandma clinton and then blew the air horn and kept going.
2008 liberal/democrat primary was a choice for first woman president vs. first black president (aka first <insert minority> president).

2016, they can't do that unless there's any Hispanic or Asian democrats running. So, that's why they are placing most of their chips on Clinton. Although Warren could fill the job, she is too toxic to be electable. Clinton is to the liberals as Romney was to the Republicans in 2012, their best shot.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-04-10 11:36:53
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Merkel is 60, most powerful lady in Germany.
Thatcher was like 55 and finished her term at like 60something.
McCain was like 72 running for POTUS?
Our Supreme Court Justices are how old again?

This is a non-issue. Reagan was staring down dementia in office and that was npnp, savior status and all.
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It isn't an age issue it's a she doesn't know what the *** she is doing issue !

I don't see leadership coming from her...
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-04-10 11:40:38
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So, why can't the Republicans present a non-white guy for POTUS if this is such an underhanded Democratic tool?

Break the glass and unleash your Asian candidate for president. Unleash Armageddon upon the Donkeys.

Oh right, the party just started focusing on growing conservative organizations full of talented people of color. Soon though the Ultima Weapon, the Black Mormon Woman (BMW) will be unleashed and bring ruination to the Democrats.

Seriously though, the diversity problem in politics is a noted issue.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-04-10 11:42:22
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fonewear said: »
It isn't an age issue it's a she doesn't know what the *** she is doing issue !

I don't see leadership coming from her...

So being at the upper echelons of politics, US Senator, noted world traveler and Secretary of State doesn't qualify one to be POTUS?

She's essentially shaped the last 25 years of her life for this moment and the argument is she's green? While simultaneously too old for the chair?

I mean the dynasty argument and potential divisiveness at least hold some water. Pretty sure SoS > Governor on the bingo list of qualification.
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