First Official GOP President Announcement

Chaos is honestly an outlier and I understand why he feels the way he does. Most people aren't stocking up on metal investments in high school to retire to Eastern Europe. He's an oddball, but good for him.

But the rest of the people that are anti-union I truly don't understand. KN I get to a point, I guess, if I assume since he's in a position that involves a trust fund, his family is more on the "employer" than "employee" side of things, but that just says to me he's grown up never having to sweat anything, and never knowing the fear of unemployment because someone doesn't like your tattoo, the timbre of your voice, or that you're too under-or-over-weight for their tastes.

I have a hard time believing that so many people who post here so regularly make mid-to-higher three-figures+ in annual income to allow them to think like people in those upper tax brackets.

First you have to prove that everyone who makes less than six figures is better under a union in every case. Otherwise, you're basically just saying, "I can't imagine how anyone who isn't rich doesn't belong to this thing that doesn't have proven benefit across the board but sounds good in theory!"

All you have to prove is that union employees fair better in some cases and that right to work and at-will employment causes some to fair worse. Those two things aren't debatable, the proof is in the pudding. Worker collectives do improve the lives of some people, collective bargaining is one of the fundamental rights afforded to US citizens when dealing with their government, why shouldn't it be when dealing with their employers as well?

You don't like the idea of unions, that's fine, enact legislation insulating workers who wish to collectively bargain for better compensation.

All you have to prove is that union employees fair better in some cases and that right to work and at-will employment causes some to fair worse. Those two things aren't debatable, the proof is in the pudding. Worker collectives do improve the lives of some people, collective bargaining is one of the fundamental rights afforded to US citizens when dealing with their government, why shouldn't it be when dealing with their employers as well?

You don't like the idea of unions, that's fine, enact legislation insulating workers who wish to collectively bargain for better compensation.

He's an oddball, but good for him.

Mid to higher 3 figures? What is that? like 600-999 bucks a year? That would suck hardcore.

No argument there.

Fixed. You know damn well I meant six figures. Just so used to abbreviating that *** $100k and the like. :p

Um, proving that something is better in some cases and the opposing thing is worse in some cases proves absolutely nothing, because the inverse is also true in some cases. Therefore, it's not cut and dry. Therefore, it's not so crazy to believe that people don't support the side you happen to like better.

Union states can keep there unions, ultimately it is about choice. I don't think any federal entity should come and dismantle them, just as I think noone should force it on everyone. Now if the states vote for, so be it.

Fine, but don't take away the ability to automatically withdraw dues from pay, and don't let people who refuse to belong be included under contracts...see how quickly they come hounding to join when their pay rate bottoms out, their PTO floors, and they find they're paying half of their paycheck into their insurance because their employer is a greedy scumbag...

Then why are "conservatives" pushing legislation that will effectively neuter unions instead of pushing legislation that encourages businesses and employees to meet in a structured way to negotiate compensation?


That's not what right-to-work legislation does even on the state level, and most states do not put that kind of legislation to a popular vote. In state legislatures, as much as 70% of the population is given no voice thanks to gerrymandered districts and uncontested incumbents. How is that any different than a bunch of corporate puppets in DC making those decisions?

bitter bitter bitter.. you are so bitter. How about we at least pretend to respect the spirit of the law?

"he is a proven idiot' 'lets make sure he doesn't vote tomorrow' I do not care if he is an idiot... he still has a right to vote.

The difference between a state voting and a DC 'puppet' voting is just that...

it is the state vs DC.. end of story, no adjectives or further descriptors matter.

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I thought bitcoin was only used for illegal drug trafficking...

Damn yo...

I'm seriously considering actually giving money to a political candidate.

Honestly I'm just waiting to see if Hillary makes an officially announcement to see how much I should give.

Lots of people died when Clinton lied, has nothing to do with *** either.

I believe, at least in WI, they take away somewhere around $500-$600 a year for administrative fees.

The bold is just speculation with nothing to back it up except your pro union stance, but let it be. If they come crawling back or if they like it better let it stand.