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Are All Terrorists Muslims? It’s Not Even Close
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By Odin.Blazeoffury 2015-01-16 13:56:57
Love talking to you boys and sorry to leave discussion mid way but i gotta get back to work. Maybe we can pick up later tonight. Peace brothers.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2015-01-16 13:57:45
Cancer, retardation, miscarriages, natural disasters, diabetes, sids if there was a god these alone prove he shouldn't be trusted with anyone's life/afterlife
Without these bad mutations, there would be no mutations. Yes, they suck, but without mutations evolution never happens, without evolution, we never happen.
Natural disasters. The universe is constantly evolving. We need plate tectonics for a livable world. We need weather patterns for a world that sustains life. Research this. Yes, they suck, but they are also necessary for us to exist at all. :)
So instead of using creation magic to instantly evolve humanity he chooses to put in a barbaric genetic trial and error system killing millions for teh lulz?
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2015-01-16 13:58:09
Fenrir.Candlejack said: »Not all terrorists are muslims. Not all muslims are terrorists. People seem to forget that in the U.S, we have our own, homegrown organizations. Though lately the likes of the KKK haven't been making the news too often, we can't, nor should we ever, forget those guys are out there, on our own home soil.
I think we all agreed to this on like page 2.
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By Bloodrose 2015-01-16 13:58:10
Jesus' body went missing. There was 3 groups of suspects. 1. Roman empire. 2. The jews. 3. The disciples.
The Romans didn't steal the body. They killed Jesus to keep the peace in Jerusalem because the religious leaders were starting an uproar and if they rioted one more time Pontious Pilot would lose his job and probably be executed. But now that Jesus' body is missing, they're raging all the more. If they had the body they would have presented it to stop the chaos.
The jews didnt take it because they wanted to stop this rebellion of the way they viewed theyre own religion. Now the disciples are going about preaching Jesus rose from the dead. The problem is worse. If they had the body they would have shown it and that would have been the end of it.
So the disciples are left. They tortured them. They were flogged, dipped in boiling oil, sat in red hot metal chairs, dragged through rugged terrain by horses, crucified, fed to lions, impaled and made into candles for roman events. All were given the chance to recant their statement that they made it up and they didnt see Jesus rise from the dead. I find it very hard to believe one man would go through all that for a lie, let alone 12.
People die today for a faith, in what they hope is true. But these men died for what they knew was true. People are willing to die for the most innocuous of reasons, many of which to keep people from finding out the truth, as opposed to spreading a lie. These werent trained secret agents who knew how to take a beating and not give in. They were fishermen, tax collectors. Average people. One of them would have broke and confessed it a lie if it were. Not 1 of the 11 did tho.
Again, most of the people willing to die to prevent the truth from getting out, are *not* trained secret agents. Secret agents are trained not to give out *information* regardless of truth or lies. I would tell you to quit being potato, but that might leave you a bit ruffled.
So you're really making a false argument.
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By Odin.Blazeoffury 2015-01-16 13:59:20
You believe he had crimes against the state because a man wrote it. I believe in the story of His divinity because i believe the writers were divinely inspired by the Holy Spirit. I find it hypocritical that you believe one man's writing from 2000 years ago if its in favor of your view but denounce one that opposes it by saying "it was written 2000 years ago"
We accept that a man named Jesus founded (or at least semi-inspired) a strange sect of Judaism and was martyred by the Roman Empire because of it around 30ish AD because
this is important, don't gloss over it
Christians came out of nowhere to be a pretty widespread cult by 100 AD. Something happened, and even if the logistics of the Christianity we know today ultimately had way more to do with Paul, they weren't his ideas originally because other Christian sects existed all around the Empire without his knowledge or consent. Paul was often writing about the herisies and the false teachers so i agree with a bunch of unconsented churches sprouting. But if God is real i believe He could and did keep His word pure and the gospel undefiled. * MUST GO BACK TO WORK!!!** ttyl
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-01-16 13:59:39
Also what about all the people who never even *** heard of god they get a mulligan or just *** from birth? The bible says that people know that God exist because creation is proof of Himself. It's a debated subject among christians of what happens to those who have never heard of Jesus. I personal believe God grades on the curve as He seems to have done in the old testament. The only problem with that is that man isn't mostly Good fighting the small urge to not be bad but inherently bad fighting to do good. So the necessity of the Gospel to be preached is vital.
Wait till King finds out that the afterlife is essentially one large bureaucracy.
If you were born between 1099-1492 on the American continents and didn't meet any Europeans, pick up and fill out form 1040A.
If you were born between 1492-1600 and were killed by colonists in the name of Jesus Christ, fill out form 1600C.
If you're thinking about converting to Christianity right now, I'll need three proofs of ID, your certificate of death and 4-6 weeks to process your form. Feel free to stay in Purgatory until your paperwork is in order.
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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 13:59:43
Right, and if God was subject to science (Natural and Observable) then this would work great. You are right, we would have proof of existence. There would not be any arguments at all, right?
As it stands, if an entity like this existed, science would never have the tools to evaluate it. Wrong. Or are you saying that we would not have advanced in society if God was proven real? That would be mean for an omnipotent being to do to his creation....
If Google succeeds and creates artificial intelligence and we take that intelligence and implement it in Vanadiel into our characters. Even if the characters could define and describe everything around them, from the Death procs on weapons, to how Dia works, would they ever be able to prove that you were watching them behind a monitor? If Artificial Intelligence can be classified as life at that point, then we wouldn't be the one's controlling those characters. They would move on their own and we would interact with them on our own.
They would question their own existence, and come to realize that their existence is limited as data in a server. Where they go from there would be their own evolution, not ours.
We would be neither gods nor creators, we would be observers. We can't prove him real with Science. Science studies observable phenomenon. If we could observe God, then yes, science would work. However, I kind of think if we get to the point we can observe God, we really don't need science to prove anything.
Yes, they would question as we do. No we wouldn't control them. The point is, they have no way of knowing about a company called Square Enix and could not prove that with their science. The best the could do is prove they composed of bits. Which interestingly enough, at our own fundamental states, we operate eerily close to a computer program.
By Bloodrose 2015-01-16 14:01:28
Sounds a lot like his apostles were, indeed, "secret agents", if a religion can become that widespread in less than 70 years.
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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 14:03:03
You want someone else to dictate your life, go for it. Yes, if you want to define someones set of beliefs as a religion, then yes, make your own beliefs. I choose to define it as individualism.
So again, what's the point of your God? Does it matter? Why would you care? Do your own research and decide what you believe. Don't take my word, or anyone elses for it. The beliefs I have dictate the way I live my life. Those beliefs were formed by me, thus, I dictate the way I live, not a church and not anyone else. I don't expect anyone to live by my belief sets, that would make them a conformist and they wouldnt be living their own life.
Let me put it like this. If, in fact, there is a personal God. The only thing religion really is, is a group of people that got together and said, "Hey, we think this is what God wants, everyone follow us or you are going to hell!". If that is all there is to religion and God is a personal God, why would I need them to tell me what he wants? Couldn't I just ask him myself?
By Bloodrose 2015-01-16 14:05:51
So you believe a bunch of stuff, yet really refuse to believe anything, or really act on such beliefs, let alone, if someone questions your beliefs, you feel it necessary to give roundabout answers, that don't answer anything, and instead try to equate ***, that isn't even remotely equitable to the argument at hand, despite only giving limited examples, which can, and are refuted by scientific methods, then refuse to acknowledge said methods in favor of... what exactly?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-16 14:07:18
Also what about all the people who never even *** heard of god they get a mulligan or just *** from birth? The bible says that people know that God exist because creation is proof of Himself. It's a debated subject among christians of what happens to those who have never heard of Jesus. I personal believe God grades on the curve as He seems to have done in the old testament. The only problem with that is that man isn't mostly Good fighting the small urge to not be bad but inherently bad fighting to do good. So the necessity of the Gospel to be preached is vital. Why do you use the bible for reference?
You know that the bible is written by man, not by God. If God is so great, why not use him as a primary source instead of a secondary source like the bible? Because God has chosen to reveal Himself in Christ and Christ is vividly expressed in the scriptures. Again, you are taking second-handed information and presenting it as fact.
Jesus claimed (either himself, which is highly unlikely, or by a third person, which is very likely) to be the son of God. You know what happens to people who claim to be the son of God? They get rounded up and sent to the funny farm.
What the Christian Bible did was take a figure from history who was martyred by the Roman Empire for crimes against the state and created a religion around him. How much of the Christian Jesus is true is hard to say, but his "miraculous works" is fiction, along with his supposed method of being born. He verified His claims as the Son of God by the miracles that followed His ministry. Miracles defined by a book to define that book?
Do you believe that Harry Potter is real? He preformed what normal people would consider to be miracles. His miracles are defined by a book. The book defines the character. So, is Harry Potter real?
If you say no, then what separates Harry Potter from Jesus?
If you say yes, then you have no basis in reality.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-16 14:08:54
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Also what about all the people who never even *** heard of god they get a mulligan or just *** from birth? The bible says that people know that God exist because creation is proof of Himself. It's a debated subject among christians of what happens to those who have never heard of Jesus. I personal believe God grades on the curve as He seems to have done in the old testament. The only problem with that is that man isn't mostly Good fighting the small urge to not be bad but inherently bad fighting to do good. So the necessity of the Gospel to be preached is vital.
Wait till King finds out that the afterlife is essentially one large bureaucracy.
If you were born between 1099-1492 on the American continents and didn't meet any Europeans, pick up and fill out form 1040A.
If you were born between 1492-1600 and were killed by colonists in the name of Jesus Christ, fill out form 1600C.
If you're thinking about converting to Christianity right now, I'll need three proofs of ID, your certificate of death and 4-6 weeks to process your form. Feel free to stay in Purgatory until your paperwork is in order. Well, ***.
Knowing my luck, I would be either on the preparation side or the auditing side of this ***too....
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-01-16 14:11:32
It's not very often that I can look at a group people arguing two sides of an argument and think that not even one of them has a clue.
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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 14:12:07
Do your own research and decide what you believe.
How do I research something I can't see, can't know if it exist and which cannot be proven to exist? We each have things we need to see in order to believe something. For some, it's the Bible, for others, its philosophy, for me, it was simply the statistics of it all. For me, it is too improbable for us to exist without something that started it all. I don't know what you need. If you have to have proof, then that sucks, we can't prove it. Science doesn't have the tools it needs to do those things.
I ask myself the hard questions. Some of those questions have taken me down roads contrary to my religious upbringing. Such as throwing the Old Testament out the window. If I believe Jesus (there is a long list of reasons I do), then I can't also believe the Old Testament.
In the end, it doesn't matter. You know what you need to form a solid opinion. Take that opinion and test it with debates like this forum. My best friend has a 140 IQ and is an atheist. He has really pushed me on some very hard questions. Which has helped lead me to what I believe. I am open to any argument, things just have to add up for me to believe it. I don't necessarily need hard facts, it just has to make more sense (to me) than the alternative.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2015-01-16 14:13:36
It's not very often that I can look at a group people arguing two sides of an argument and think that not even one of them has a clue. Feel free to enlighten the rest of us for we are lost
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-16 14:14:13
Do your own research and decide what you believe.
How do I research something I can't see, can't know if it exist and which cannot be proven to exist? We each have things we need to see in order to believe something. For some, it's the Bible, for others, its philosophy, for me, it was simply the statistics of it all. For me, it is too improbable for us to exist without something that started it all. I don't know what you need. If you have to have proof, then that sucks, we can't prove it. Science doesn't have the tools it needs to do those things.
I ask myself the hard questions. Some of those questions have taken me down roads contrary to my religious upbringing. Such as throwing the Old Testament out the window. If I believe Jesus (there is a long list of reasons I do), then I can't also believe the Old Testament.
In the end, it doesn't matter. You know what you need to form a solid opinion. Take that opinion and test it with debates like this forum. My best friend has a 140 IQ and is an atheist. He has really pushed me on some very hard questions. Which has helped lead me to what I believe. I am open to any argument, things just have to add up for me to believe it. I don't necessarily need hard facts, it just has to make more sense (to me) than the alternative. Believe me, religion and some mythical being did not create us, we created the mythical being and religion.
Because let me ask you this: If humans never existed, would God have?
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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 14:14:30
I honestly don't think his wife left him because he doesn't go to church. Lol, you are actually right. The reason she gave the judge was that I didn't close the shower curtain and kitchen cabinets.
Also, I probably am crazy (I c wut u did dar). Bipolar anyway :)
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-16 14:14:43
It's not very often that I can look at a group people arguing two sides of an argument and think that not even one of them has a clue. Come on now, we know for a fact that Harry Potter is real! A book said so!
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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 14:15:09
It's not very often that I can look at a group people arguing two sides of an argument and think that not even one of them has a clue. Will you stop jumping in and saying "Youre all wrong! Bye!" and give a reason for something? lol
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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 14:16:26
Do your own research and decide what you believe.
How do I research something I can't see, can't know if it exist and which cannot be proven to exist? We each have things we need to see in order to believe something. For some, it's the Bible, for others, its philosophy, for me, it was simply the statistics of it all. For me, it is too improbable for us to exist without something that started it all. I don't know what you need. If you have to have proof, then that sucks, we can't prove it. Science doesn't have the tools it needs to do those things.
I ask myself the hard questions. Some of those questions have taken me down roads contrary to my religious upbringing. Such as throwing the Old Testament out the window. If I believe Jesus (there is a long list of reasons I do), then I can't also believe the Old Testament.
In the end, it doesn't matter. You know what you need to form a solid opinion. Take that opinion and test it with debates like this forum. My best friend has a 140 IQ and is an atheist. He has really pushed me on some very hard questions. Which has helped lead me to what I believe. I am open to any argument, things just have to add up for me to believe it. I don't necessarily need hard facts, it just has to make more sense (to me) than the alternative. Believe me, religion and some mythical being did not create us, we created the mythical being and religion.
Because let me ask you this: If humans never existed, would God have? Thank you. You actually pointed out my point. It doesn't matter what we think. He is either there or he isn't, regardless of what we believe. Like I said earlier. The earth revolved around the sun long before we thought so.
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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 14:19:39
This is fun... isn't it? Lol, I actually don't agree with half of you but I can say one thing I respect about atheists. Most of them broke with the norm and thought for themselves. I respect that. Just don't do it because religion sucks. I'd simply ask, when evaluating whether there is an entity that created all of this stuff, leave religion out of it. Those idiots don't know anymore than the rest of us. Use your own head and if, in the end, you don't believe, then at least you made your own choice, and that is what I respect about people.
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By Asura.Ccl 2015-01-16 14:19:56
If I can prove micro and macro evolution does that mean I can prove our ancestor are monkeys ?
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By Bahamut.Omael 2015-01-16 14:20:29
Come on now, we know for a fact that Harry Potter is real! A book said so!
The fact that Hermione ends up with Ron pretty much proved there is no God.
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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 14:21:12
If I can prove micro and macro evolution does that mean I can prove our ancestor are monkeys ? Why u no like monkeys Ccl?
By ScaevolaBahamut 2015-01-16 14:21:41
You believe he had crimes against the state because a man wrote it. I believe in the story of His divinity because i believe the writers were divinely inspired by the Holy Spirit. I find it hypocritical that you believe one man's writing from 2000 years ago if its in favor of your view but denounce one that opposes it by saying "it was written 2000 years ago"
We accept that a man named Jesus founded (or at least semi-inspired) a strange sect of Judaism and was martyred by the Roman Empire because of it around 30ish AD because
this is important, don't gloss over it
Christians came out of nowhere to be a pretty widespread cult by 100 AD. Something happened, and even if the logistics of the Christianity we know today ultimately had way more to do with Paul, they weren't his ideas originally because other Christian sects existed all around the Empire without his knowledge or consent. Paul was often writing about the herisies and the false teachers so i agree with a bunch of unconsented churches sprouting. But if God is real i believe He could and did keep His word pure and the gospel undefiled. * MUST GO BACK TO WORK!!!** ttyl
I'm not trying to evaluate who had the right of what Jesus's life actually meant. I'm just observing that where there's smoke, there's fire; the overnight existence of multiple cults tracing lineage to one spiritual leader can confirm the existence of that leader even if everything said about him is legend.
Muhammad is actually a much better example of this: you might think everything the Qu'ran says about his life is false, but somebody unified the Arabian peninsula in the seventh century and everybody says it was him, so at the very least he most likely existed.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-16 14:22:58
Thank you. You actually pointed out my point. It doesn't matter what we think. He is either there or he isn't, regardless of what we believe. Like I said earlier. The earth revolved around the sun long before we thought so. Then why are you arguing if it doesn't matter to you if he exists or not?
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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 14:23:53
Thank you. You actually pointed out my point. It doesn't matter what we think. He is either there or he isn't, regardless of what we believe. Like I said earlier. The earth revolved around the sun long before we thought so. Then why are you arguing if it doesn't matter to you if he exists or not? It does matter whether he exists. What doesn't matter is whether its because we think he does.
Now dammit, stop distracting me! I need another 9k HP Bayld here! lol
Quote: What percentage of terror attacks in the United States and Europe are committed by Muslims? Guess. Nope. Guess again. And again...
“Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.” How many times have you heard that one? Sure, we heard Fox News’s Brian Kilmeade say it, but to me, that was simply part of the Fox News plan to make their viewers dumber, as we saw again this past weekend when its terrorism “expert” Steve Emerson was caught fabricating the story that Birmingham, England, is closed to non-Muslims. But more alarmingly, even some reasonable people have uttered this statement.
And that comment is often followed up by the question: Why don’t we see Christian, Buddhist, or Jewish terrorists?
Obviously, there are people who sincerely view themselves as Muslims who have committed horrible acts in the name of Islam. We Muslims can make the case that their actions are not based on any part of the faith but on their own political agenda. But they are Muslims, no denying that.
However, and this will probably shock many, so you might want to take a breath: Overwhelmingly, those who have committed terrorist attacks in the United States and Europe aren’t Muslims. Let’s give that a moment to sink in.
Now, it’s not your fault if you aren’t aware of that fact. You can blame the media. (Yes, Sarah Palin and I actually agree on one thing: The mainstream media sucks.)
So here are some statistics for those interested. Let’s start with Europe. Want to guess what percent of the terrorist attacks there were committed by Muslims over the past five years? Wrong. That is, unless you said less than 2 percent.
As Europol, the European Union’s law-enforcement agency, noted in its report released last year, the vast majority of terror attacks in Europe were perpetrated by separatist groups. For example, in 2013, there were 152 terror attacks in Europe. Only two of them were “religiously motivated,” while 84 were predicated upon ethno-nationalist or separatist beliefs.
Or what about the (dare I mention them) Jewish terrorists? Per the 2013 State Department’s report on terrorism, there were 399 acts of terror committed by Israeli settlers.
We are talking about groups like France’s FLNC, which advocates an independent nation for the island of Corsica. In December 2013, FLNC terrorists carried out simultaneous rocket attacks against police stations in two French cities. And in Greece in late 2013, the left-wing Militant Popular Revolutionary Forces shot and killed two members of the right-wing political party Golden Dawn. While over in Italy, the anarchist group FAI engaged in numerous terror attacks including sending a bomb to a journalist. And the list goes on and on.
Have you heard of these incidents? Probably not. But if Muslims had committed them do you think you our media would’ve covered it? No need to answer, that’s a rhetorical question.
Even after one of the worst terror attacks ever in Europe in 2011, when Anders Breivik slaughtered 77 people in Norway to further his anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant, and pro-“Christian Europe” agenda as he stated in his manifesto, how much press did we see in the United States? Yes, it was covered, but not the way we see when a Muslim terrorist is involved. Plus we didn’t see terrorism experts fill the cable news sphere asking how we can stop future Christian terrorists. In fact, even the suggestion that Breivik was a “Christian terrorist” was met with outrage by many, including Fox News’s Bill O’Reilly.
Have you heard about the Buddhist terrorists? Well, extremist Buddhists have killed many Muslim civilians in Burma, and just a few months ago in Sri Lanka, some went on a violent rampage burning down Muslim homes and businesses and slaughtering four Muslims.
Or what about the (dare I mention them) Jewish terrorists? Per the 2013 State Department’s report on terrorism, there were 399 acts of terror committed by Israeli settlers in what are known as “price tag” attacks. These Jewish terrorists attacked Palestinian civilians causing physical injuries to 93 of them and also vandalized scores of mosques and Christian churches.
Back in the United States, the percentage of terror attacks committed by Muslims is almost as miniscule as in Europe. An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims. In actuality, 42 percent of terror attacks were carried out by Latino-related groups, followed by 24 percent perpetrated by extreme left-wing actors.
And as a 2014 study by University of North Carolina found, since the 9/11 attacks, Muslim-linked terrorism has claimed the lives of 37 Americans. In that same time period, more than 190,000 Americans were murdered (PDF).
In fact in 2013, it was actually more likely Americans would be killed by a toddler than a terrorist. In that year, three Americans were killed in the Boston Marathon bombing. How many people did toddlers kill in 2013? Five, all by accidentally shooting a gun.
But our media simply do not cover the non-Muslim terror attacks with same gusto. Why? It’s a business decision. Stories about scary “others” play better. It’s a story that can simply be framed as good versus evil with Americans being the good guy and the brown Muslim as the bad.
Honestly, when is the last time we heard the media refer to those who attack abortion clinics as “Christian terrorists,” even though these attacks occur at one of every five reproductive health-care facilities? That doesn’t sell as well. After all we are a so-called Christian nation, so that would require us to look at the enemy within our country, and that makes many uncomfortable. Or worse, it makes them change the channel.
That’s the same reason we don’t see many stories about how to reduce the 30 Americans killed each day by gun violence or the three women per day killed by domestic violence. But the media will have on expert after expert discussing how can we stop these scary brown Muslims from killing any more Americans despite the fact you actually have a better chance of being killed by a refrigerator falling on you.
Look, this article is not going to change the media’s business model. But what I hope it does is cause some to realize that not all terrorists are Muslims. In fact, they are actually a very small percent of those that are. Now, I’m not saying to ignore the dangers posed by Islamic radicals. I’m just saying look out for those refrigerators.
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