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Are All Terrorists Muslims? It’s Not Even Close
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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 13:43:20
can you read? Read "alot". You proving that they can account for something, does not prove that they account for everything. Poor argument.
So your argument of a 5th dimension being is good because?
There are 4 others? Is there a reason it should stop at 5? Because Physicist agree there are alot more than we know about? I don't see your point? I made an argument address a particular piece of the pie. This is an argument for the whole pie simply based on a piece.
You just dismissed factual proof/data saying it's a poor argument, but you take a theory with no proof/data and think it's a proper argument. There's not even officially 4 dimension, time being a dimension is also a theory. I can't argue with you at this point. I think you should do some more research on the topic. If the only thing you accept has to be proven, then you have to reject a large portion of scientific theories, i.e. macro-evolution.
I understand it is a theory, but it's the best we have right now. Maybe we get more info inthe future and I will be glad to change my thinking on the topic. I don't assume anything to be not subject to change. The difference between scientific theory and theological theory is the ability to run tests to produce the same results. Right, and if God was subject to science (Natural and Observable) then this would work great. As it stands, if an entity like this existed, science would never have the tools to evaluate it.
If Google succeeds and creates artificial intelligence and we take that intelligence and implement it in Vanadiel into our characters. Even if the characters could define and describe everything around them, from the Death procs on weapons, to how Dia works, would they ever be able to prove that you were watching them behind a monitor? Or that they were created by a company called SE?
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-01-16 13:44:11
2 pages later, still posting
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By Bahamut.Omael 2015-01-16 13:44:29
Also *** god he killed dinosaurs
They died for us.
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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 13:45:00
I can't argue with you at this point. I think you should do some more research on the topic. If the only thing you accept has to be proven, then you have to reject a large portion of scientific theories, i.e. macro-evolution.
Is there logical conclusion other than macroevolution to be drawn from what we know and readily observe about micro/adaptation/genetic selection?
Everybody shits on Young Earthers but that's pretty much the ONLY scenario you can come up with where macro doesn't hold.
You missed the point. The point was that it is a theory. We believe it. We have not been able to replicate it though, so we can't prove it.
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By Odin.Blazeoffury 2015-01-16 13:46:15
Jesus' body went missing. There was 3 groups of suspects. 1. Roman empire. 2. The jews. 3. The disciples.
The Romans didn't steal the body. They killed Jesus to keep the peace in Jerusalem because the religious leaders were starting an uproar and if they rioted one more time Pontious Pilot would lose his job and probably be executed. But now that Jesus' body is missing, they're raging all the more. If they had the body they would have presented it to stop the chaos.
The jews didnt take it because they wanted to stop this rebellion of the way they viewed theyre own religion. Now the disciples are going about preaching Jesus rose from the dead. The problem is worse. If they had the body they would have shown it and that would have been the end of it.
So the disciples are left. They tortured them. They were flogged, dipped in boiling oil, sat in red hot metal chairs, dragged through rugged terrain by horses, crucified, fed to lions, impaled and made into candles for roman events. All were given the chance to recant their statement that they made it up and they didnt see Jesus rise from the dead. I find it very hard to believe one man would go through all that for a lie, let alone 12.
People die today for a faith, in what they hope is true. But these men died for what they knew was true.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-01-16 13:46:53
No, don't. Screw religion. You don't need it. God doesn't need religion to exist. Make up your own mind based on what you think is rational. Don't let religion play into the equation, it is irrelevant to the answer.
Which basically mean, create your own religion?
It all began with a stone or so the legends say....
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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 13:46:54
Without these bad mutations, there would be no mutations. Yes, they suck, but without mutations evolution never happens, without evolution, we never happen.
If there were a god that was any good at his job, we wouldn't have needed evolution. Well now you're just assuming. Religious people define God by the attributes they believe he does or doesn't have based on what they believe about him. Didn't you just do the same thing?
By Bloodrose 2015-01-16 13:48:49
can you read? Read "alot". You proving that they can account for something, does not prove that they account for everything. Poor argument.
So your argument of a 5th dimension being is good because?
There are 4 others? Is there a reason it should stop at 5? Because Physicist agree there are alot more than we know about? I don't see your point? I made an argument address a particular piece of the pie. This is an argument for the whole pie simply based on a piece.
You just dismissed factual proof/data saying it's a poor argument, but you take a theory with no proof/data and think it's a proper argument. There's not even officially 4 dimension, time being a dimension is also a theory. I can't argue with you at this point. I think you should do some more research on the topic. If the only thing you accept has to be proven, then you have to reject a large portion of scientific theories, i.e. macro-evolution.
I understand it is a theory, but it's the best we have right now. Maybe we get more info inthe future and I will be glad to change my thinking on the topic. I don't assume anything to be not subject to change. The difference between scientific theory and theological theory is the ability to run tests to produce the same results. Right, and if God was subject to science (Natural and Observable) then this would work great. As it stands, if an entity like this existed, science would never have the tools to evaluate it.
If Google succeeds and creates artificial intelligence and we take that intelligence and implement it in Vanadiel into our characters. Even if the characters could define and describe everything around them, from the Death procs on weapons, to how Dia works, would they ever be able to prove that you were watching them behind a monitor? Or that they were created by a company called SE? The game series called Star Ocean would like to have a word with you.
Example for an example.
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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 13:49:02
No, don't. Screw religion. You don't need it. God doesn't need religion to exist. Make up your own mind based on what you think is rational. Don't let religion play into the equation, it is irrelevant to the answer.
Which basically mean, create your own religion?
You want someone else to dictate your life, go for it. Yes, if you want to define someones set of beliefs as a religion, then yes, make your own beliefs. I choose to define it as individualism.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-16 13:49:02
Also what about all the people who never even *** heard of god they get a mulligan or just *** from birth? The bible says that people know that God exist because creation is proof of Himself. It's a debated subject among christians of what happens to those who have never heard of Jesus. I personal believe God grades on the curve as He seems to have done in the old testament. The only problem with that is that man isn't mostly Good fighting the small urge to not be bad but inherently bad fighting to do good. So the necessity of the Gospel to be preached is vital. Why do you use the bible for reference?
You know that the bible is written by man, not by God. If God is so great, why not use him as a primary source instead of a secondary source like the bible? Because God has chosen to reveal Himself in Christ and Christ is vividly expressed in the scriptures. Again, you are taking second-handed information and presenting it as fact.
Jesus claimed (either himself, which is highly unlikely, or by a third person, which is very likely) to be the son of God. You know what happens to people who claim to be the son of God? They get rounded up and sent to the funny farm.
What the Christian Bible did was take a figure from history who was martyred by the Roman Empire for crimes against the state and created a religion around him. How much of the Christian Jesus is true is hard to say, but his "miraculous works" is fiction, along with his supposed method of being born.
By ScaevolaBahamut 2015-01-16 13:49:03
I can't argue with you at this point. I think you should do some more research on the topic. If the only thing you accept has to be proven, then you have to reject a large portion of scientific theories, i.e. macro-evolution.
Is there logical conclusion other than macroevolution to be drawn from what we know and readily observe about micro/adaptation/genetic selection?
Everybody shits on Young Earthers but that's pretty much the ONLY scenario you can come up with where macro doesn't hold.
You missed the point. The point was that it is a theory. We believe it. We have not been able to replicate it though, so we can't prove it.
http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/11/is-macroevoluti.html
tl;dr on the studies cited: we have replicated the process in controlled study of microorganisms, which reproduce and adapt quickly enough to observe change.
Not that we even really need to replicate it, unless you think the fossil record exists to trick us.
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By Odin.Blazeoffury 2015-01-16 13:50:10
Also what about all the people who never even *** heard of god they get a mulligan or just *** from birth? The bible says that people know that God exist because creation is proof of Himself. It's a debated subject among christians of what happens to those who have never heard of Jesus. I personal believe God grades on the curve as He seems to have done in the old testament. The only problem with that is that man isn't mostly Good fighting the small urge to not be bad but inherently bad fighting to do good. So the necessity of the Gospel to be preached is vital. Why do you use the bible for reference?
You know that the bible is written by man, not by God. If God is so great, why not use him as a primary source instead of a secondary source like the bible? Because God has chosen to reveal Himself in Christ and Christ is vividly expressed in the scriptures. Again, you are taking second-handed information and presenting it as fact.
Jesus claimed (either himself, which is highly unlikely, or by a third person, which is very likely) to be the son of God. You know what happens to people who claim to be the son of God? They get rounded up and sent to the funny farm.
What the Christian Bible did was take a figure from history who was martyred by the Roman Empire for crimes against the state and created a religion around him. How much of the Christian Jesus is true is hard to say, but his "miraculous works" is fiction, along with his supposed method of being born. He verified His claims as the Son of God by the miracles that followed His ministry.
By Bloodrose 2015-01-16 13:51:13
Jesus' body went missing. There was 3 groups of suspects. 1. Roman empire. 2. The jews. 3. The disciples.
The Romans didn't steal the body. They killed Jesus to keep the peace in Jerusalem because the religious leaders were starting an uproar and if they rioted one more time Pontious Pilot would lose his job and probably be executed. But now that Jesus' body is missing, they're raging all the more. If they had the body they would have presented it to stop the chaos.
The jews didnt take it because they wanted to stop this rebellion of the way they viewed theyre own religion. Now the disciples are going about preaching Jesus rose from the dead. The problem is worse. If they had the body they would have shown it and that would have been the end of it.
So the disciples are left. They tortured them. They were flogged, dipped in boiling oil, sat in red hot metal chairs, dragged through rugged terrain by horses, crucified, fed to lions, impaled and made into candles for roman events. All were given the chance to recant their statement that they made it up and they didnt see Jesus rise from the dead. I find it very hard to believe one man would go through all that for a lie, let alone 12.
People die today for a faith, in what they hope is true. But these men died for what they knew was true. People are willing to die for the most innocuous of reasons, many of which to keep people from finding out the truth, as opposed to spreading a lie.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-01-16 13:51:34
I had to stop in to see why this thread was on top of the forum topics so often. I see seven pages of stupidity, overly-simplistic arguments, weak reasoning, and mere illusions of rationality. It's a breeding ground for replies, I guess.
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By Odin.Blazeoffury 2015-01-16 13:52:06
Also what about all the people who never even *** heard of god they get a mulligan or just *** from birth? The bible says that people know that God exist because creation is proof of Himself. It's a debated subject among christians of what happens to those who have never heard of Jesus. I personal believe God grades on the curve as He seems to have done in the old testament. The only problem with that is that man isn't mostly Good fighting the small urge to not be bad but inherently bad fighting to do good. So the necessity of the Gospel to be preached is vital. Why do you use the bible for reference?
You know that the bible is written by man, not by God. If God is so great, why not use him as a primary source instead of a secondary source like the bible? Because God has chosen to reveal Himself in Christ and Christ is vividly expressed in the scriptures. Again, you are taking second-handed information and presenting it as fact.
Jesus claimed (either himself, which is highly unlikely, or by a third person, which is very likely) to be the son of God. You know what happens to people who claim to be the son of God? They get rounded up and sent to the funny farm.
What the Christian Bible did was take a figure from history who was martyred by the Roman Empire for crimes against the state and created a religion around him. How much of the Christian Jesus is true is hard to say, but his "miraculous works" is fiction, along with his supposed method of being born. You believe he had crimes against the state because a man wrote it. I believe in the story of His divinity because i believe the writers were divinely inspired by the Holy Spirit. I find it hypocritical that you believe one man's writing from 2000 years ago if its in favor of your view but denounce one that opposes it by saying "it was written 2000 years ago"
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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 13:53:18
I can't argue with you at this point. I think you should do some more research on the topic. If the only thing you accept has to be proven, then you have to reject a large portion of scientific theories, i.e. macro-evolution.
Is there logical conclusion other than macroevolution to be drawn from what we know and readily observe about micro/adaptation/genetic selection?
Everybody shits on Young Earthers but that's pretty much the ONLY scenario you can come up with where macro doesn't hold.
You missed the point. The point was that it is a theory. We believe it. We have not been able to replicate it though, so we can't prove it.
http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2008/11/is-macroevoluti.html
tl;dr on the studies cited: we have replicated the process in controlled study of microorganisms, which reproduce and adapt quickly enough to observe change.
Well, fine, then 10 years ago we accepted it as a theory without proof. The point is, we accept theories. Im not arguing against it, I believe macro-evolution occurred.
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By Odin.Blazeoffury 2015-01-16 13:53:31
Jesus' body went missing. There was 3 groups of suspects. 1. Roman empire. 2. The jews. 3. The disciples.
The Romans didn't steal the body. They killed Jesus to keep the peace in Jerusalem because the religious leaders were starting an uproar and if they rioted one more time Pontious Pilot would lose his job and probably be executed. But now that Jesus' body is missing, they're raging all the more. If they had the body they would have presented it to stop the chaos.
The jews didnt take it because they wanted to stop this rebellion of the way they viewed theyre own religion. Now the disciples are going about preaching Jesus rose from the dead. The problem is worse. If they had the body they would have shown it and that would have been the end of it.
So the disciples are left. They tortured them. They were flogged, dipped in boiling oil, sat in red hot metal chairs, dragged through rugged terrain by horses, crucified, fed to lions, impaled and made into candles for roman events. All were given the chance to recant their statement that they made it up and they didnt see Jesus rise from the dead. I find it very hard to believe one man would go through all that for a lie, let alone 12.
People die today for a faith, in what they hope is true. But these men died for what they knew was true. People are willing to die for the most innocuous of reasons, many of which to keep people from finding out the truth, as opposed to spreading a lie. These werent trained secret agents who knew how to take a beating and not give in. They were fishermen, tax collectors. Average people. One of them would have broke and confessed it a lie if it were. Not 1 of the 11 did tho.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2015-01-16 13:53:55
Jesus' body went missing. There was 3 groups of suspects. 1. Roman empire. 2. The jews. 3. The disciples.
The Romans didn't steal the body. They killed Jesus to keep the peace in Jerusalem because the religious leaders were starting an uproar and if they rioted one more time Pontious Pilot would lose his job and probably be executed. But now that Jesus' body is missing, they're raging all the more. If they had the body they would have presented it to stop the chaos.
The jews didnt take it because they wanted to stop this rebellion of the way they viewed theyre own religion. Now the disciples are going about preaching Jesus rose from the dead. The problem is worse. If they had the body they would have shown it and that would have been the end of it.
So the disciples are left. They tortured them. They were flogged, dipped in boiling oil, sat in red hot metal chairs, dragged through rugged terrain by horses, crucified, fed to lions, impaled and made into candles for roman events. All were given the chance to recant their statement that they made it up and they didnt see Jesus rise from the dead. I find it very hard to believe one man would go through all that for a lie, let alone 12.
People die today for a faith, in what they hope is true. But these men died for what they knew was true. People are willing to die for the most innocuous of reasons, many of which to keep people from finding out the truth, as opposed to spreading a lie.
Or the whole thing is entirely made up, or exaggerated so far beyond the truth that the difference between the facts and the story is practically nil.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-16 13:54:29
Right, and if God was subject to science (Natural and Observable) then this would work great. You are right, we would have proof of existence. There would not be any arguments at all, right?
As it stands, if an entity like this existed, science would never have the tools to evaluate it. Wrong. Or are you saying that we would not have advanced in society if God was proven real? That would be mean for an omnipotent being to do to his creation....
If Google succeeds and creates artificial intelligence and we take that intelligence and implement it in Vanadiel into our characters. Even if the characters could define and describe everything around them, from the Death procs on weapons, to how Dia works, would they ever be able to prove that you were watching them behind a monitor? If Artificial Intelligence can be classified as life at that point, then we wouldn't be the one's controlling those characters. They would move on their own and we would interact with them on our own.
They would question their own existence, and come to realize that their existence is limited as data in a server. Where they go from there would be their own evolution, not ours.
We would be neither gods nor creators, we would be observers.
By Bloodrose 2015-01-16 13:55:09
From "it's only a theory" laden with doubt and condescension, to "I believe" after evidence has been presented.
Hypocrite much?
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-01-16 13:55:25
Also what about all the people who never even *** heard of god they get a mulligan or just *** from birth?
Hell is full of confused Native Americans and bewildered Amazonians.
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By Odin.Blazeoffury 2015-01-16 13:56:03
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The tortures and martyrdom of the disciples was documented by a famed journalist named Josephus who wrote some about Jesus tho he was not a believer.
By ScaevolaBahamut 2015-01-16 13:56:13
You believe he had crimes against the state because a man wrote it. I believe in the story of His divinity because i believe the writers were divinely inspired by the Holy Spirit. I find it hypocritical that you believe one man's writing from 2000 years ago if its in favor of your view but denounce one that opposes it by saying "it was written 2000 years ago"
We accept that a man named Jesus founded (or at least semi-inspired) a strange sect of Judaism and was martyred by the Roman Empire because of it around 30ish AD because
this is important, don't gloss over it
Christians came out of nowhere to be a pretty widespread cult by 100 AD. Something happened, and even if the logistics of the Christianity we know today ultimately had way more to do with Paul, they weren't his ideas originally because other Christian sects existed all around the Empire without his knowledge or consent.
Quote: What percentage of terror attacks in the United States and Europe are committed by Muslims? Guess. Nope. Guess again. And again...
“Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.” How many times have you heard that one? Sure, we heard Fox News’s Brian Kilmeade say it, but to me, that was simply part of the Fox News plan to make their viewers dumber, as we saw again this past weekend when its terrorism “expert” Steve Emerson was caught fabricating the story that Birmingham, England, is closed to non-Muslims. But more alarmingly, even some reasonable people have uttered this statement.
And that comment is often followed up by the question: Why don’t we see Christian, Buddhist, or Jewish terrorists?
Obviously, there are people who sincerely view themselves as Muslims who have committed horrible acts in the name of Islam. We Muslims can make the case that their actions are not based on any part of the faith but on their own political agenda. But they are Muslims, no denying that.
However, and this will probably shock many, so you might want to take a breath: Overwhelmingly, those who have committed terrorist attacks in the United States and Europe aren’t Muslims. Let’s give that a moment to sink in.
Now, it’s not your fault if you aren’t aware of that fact. You can blame the media. (Yes, Sarah Palin and I actually agree on one thing: The mainstream media sucks.)
So here are some statistics for those interested. Let’s start with Europe. Want to guess what percent of the terrorist attacks there were committed by Muslims over the past five years? Wrong. That is, unless you said less than 2 percent.
As Europol, the European Union’s law-enforcement agency, noted in its report released last year, the vast majority of terror attacks in Europe were perpetrated by separatist groups. For example, in 2013, there were 152 terror attacks in Europe. Only two of them were “religiously motivated,” while 84 were predicated upon ethno-nationalist or separatist beliefs.
Or what about the (dare I mention them) Jewish terrorists? Per the 2013 State Department’s report on terrorism, there were 399 acts of terror committed by Israeli settlers.
We are talking about groups like France’s FLNC, which advocates an independent nation for the island of Corsica. In December 2013, FLNC terrorists carried out simultaneous rocket attacks against police stations in two French cities. And in Greece in late 2013, the left-wing Militant Popular Revolutionary Forces shot and killed two members of the right-wing political party Golden Dawn. While over in Italy, the anarchist group FAI engaged in numerous terror attacks including sending a bomb to a journalist. And the list goes on and on.
Have you heard of these incidents? Probably not. But if Muslims had committed them do you think you our media would’ve covered it? No need to answer, that’s a rhetorical question.
Even after one of the worst terror attacks ever in Europe in 2011, when Anders Breivik slaughtered 77 people in Norway to further his anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant, and pro-“Christian Europe” agenda as he stated in his manifesto, how much press did we see in the United States? Yes, it was covered, but not the way we see when a Muslim terrorist is involved. Plus we didn’t see terrorism experts fill the cable news sphere asking how we can stop future Christian terrorists. In fact, even the suggestion that Breivik was a “Christian terrorist” was met with outrage by many, including Fox News’s Bill O’Reilly.
Have you heard about the Buddhist terrorists? Well, extremist Buddhists have killed many Muslim civilians in Burma, and just a few months ago in Sri Lanka, some went on a violent rampage burning down Muslim homes and businesses and slaughtering four Muslims.
Or what about the (dare I mention them) Jewish terrorists? Per the 2013 State Department’s report on terrorism, there were 399 acts of terror committed by Israeli settlers in what are known as “price tag” attacks. These Jewish terrorists attacked Palestinian civilians causing physical injuries to 93 of them and also vandalized scores of mosques and Christian churches.
Back in the United States, the percentage of terror attacks committed by Muslims is almost as miniscule as in Europe. An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims. In actuality, 42 percent of terror attacks were carried out by Latino-related groups, followed by 24 percent perpetrated by extreme left-wing actors.
And as a 2014 study by University of North Carolina found, since the 9/11 attacks, Muslim-linked terrorism has claimed the lives of 37 Americans. In that same time period, more than 190,000 Americans were murdered (PDF).
In fact in 2013, it was actually more likely Americans would be killed by a toddler than a terrorist. In that year, three Americans were killed in the Boston Marathon bombing. How many people did toddlers kill in 2013? Five, all by accidentally shooting a gun.
But our media simply do not cover the non-Muslim terror attacks with same gusto. Why? It’s a business decision. Stories about scary “others” play better. It’s a story that can simply be framed as good versus evil with Americans being the good guy and the brown Muslim as the bad.
Honestly, when is the last time we heard the media refer to those who attack abortion clinics as “Christian terrorists,” even though these attacks occur at one of every five reproductive health-care facilities? That doesn’t sell as well. After all we are a so-called Christian nation, so that would require us to look at the enemy within our country, and that makes many uncomfortable. Or worse, it makes them change the channel.
That’s the same reason we don’t see many stories about how to reduce the 30 Americans killed each day by gun violence or the three women per day killed by domestic violence. But the media will have on expert after expert discussing how can we stop these scary brown Muslims from killing any more Americans despite the fact you actually have a better chance of being killed by a refrigerator falling on you.
Look, this article is not going to change the media’s business model. But what I hope it does is cause some to realize that not all terrorists are Muslims. In fact, they are actually a very small percent of those that are. Now, I’m not saying to ignore the dangers posed by Islamic radicals. I’m just saying look out for those refrigerators.
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