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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-16 13:21:48
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Odin.Blazeoffury said: »
If you show me a painting i don't need to see the painter to know one exist. If you show me a building i don't have to see the builder to know that one exist and for me its the same with creation, creation itself is the absolute proof that somebody did make it.
That's because a painter and builder existed in one point of time. There is proof in that because somebody physically offered services, and somebody else can do the exact same thing.

If God exists, where's the proof? The only mention of God as a source is a book written by human hands. How can he exist if he is a figment of somebody's imagination?
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2015-01-16 13:22:24
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For the record, and I may have said this before, but believe me when say that I'd love to be able to convince myself in religion. How much easier would life be having absolute certainty? Engaging in and being a part of that huge church family where everyone else is the same in that fashion? Not having to watch what I say at every turn around work, friends, family, being careful not to offend anyone while in turn being offended frequently?

But...sadly, no matter how many times I review the "evidence", all I see is one big hypocritical ponzy scheme.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-16 13:22:48
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Asura.Alexandero said: »
As Dr. House once said,
Wait, you are trying to quote a fictional character to help define another fictional character?
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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 13:22:59
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Caitsith.Shiroi said: »
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can you read? Read "alot". You proving that they can account for something, does not prove that they account for everything. Poor argument.

So your argument of a 5th dimension being is good because?

There are 4 others? Is there a reason it should stop at 5? Because Physicist agree there are alot more than we know about? I don't see your point? I made an argument address a particular piece of the pie. This is an argument for the whole pie simply based on a piece.

You just dismissed factual proof/data saying it's a poor argument, but you take a theory with no proof/data and think it's a proper argument. There's not even officially 4 dimension, time being a dimension is also a theory.
I can't argue with you at this point. I think you should do some more research on the topic. If the only thing you accept has to be proven, then you have to reject a large portion of scientific theories, i.e. macro-evolution.

I understand it is a theory, but it's the best we have right now. Maybe we get more info inthe future and I will be glad to change my thinking on the topic. I don't assume anything to be not subject to change.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2015-01-16 13:24:06
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Also this free will excuse that gets tossed around I'm pretty sure some of those people supposedly murdered in the old testament had the will to live and if god killed them he went against their free will no?
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By Odin.Blazeoffury 2015-01-16 13:24:55
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Also what about all the people who never even *** heard of god they get a mulligan or just *** from birth?
The bible says that people know that God exist because creation is proof of Himself. It's a debated subject among christians of what happens to those who have never heard of Jesus. I personal believe God grades on the curve as He seems to have done in the old testament. The only problem with that is that man isn't mostly Good fighting the small urge to not be bad but inherently bad fighting to do good. So the necessity of the Gospel to be preached is vital.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-16 13:25:01
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Asura.Alexandero said: »
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can you read? Read "alot". You proving that they can account for something, does not prove that they account for everything. Poor argument.

So your argument of a 5th dimension being is good because?

There are 4 others? Is there a reason it should stop at 5? Because Physicist agree there are alot more than we know about? I don't see your point? I made an argument address a particular piece of the pie. This is an argument for the whole pie simply based on a piece.

You just dismissed factual proof/data saying it's a poor argument, but you take a theory with no proof/data and think it's a proper argument. There's not even officially 4 dimension, time being a dimension is also a theory.
I can't argue with you at this point. I think you should do some more research on the topic. If the only thing you accept has to be proven, then you have to reject a large portion of scientific theories, i.e. macro-evolution.

I understand it is a theory, but it's the best we have right now. Maybe we get more info inthe future and I will be glad to change my thinking on the topic. I don't assume anything to be not subject to change.
The difference between scientific theory and theological theory is the ability to run tests to produce the same results.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2015-01-16 13:25:20
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Also *** god he killed dinosaurs
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2015-01-16 13:25:31
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Remember that time God convinced a loyal follower to kill his own son and then stopped him at the last minute, just to see if he would do it?

Man, that God. What a jokester!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-16 13:26:17
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Odin.Blazeoffury said: »
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Also what about all the people who never even *** heard of god they get a mulligan or just *** from birth?
The bible says that people know that God exist because creation is proof of Himself. It's a debated subject among christians of what happens to those who have never heard of Jesus. I personal believe God grades on the curve as He seems to have done in the old testament. The only problem with that is that man isn't mostly Good fighting the small urge to not be bad but inherently bad fighting to do good. So the necessity of the Gospel to be preached is vital.
Why do you use the bible for reference?

You know that the bible is written by man, not by God. If God is so great, why not use him as a primary source instead of a secondary source like the bible?
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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 13:26:29
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Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
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Empathy =/= Right/Wrong

I'm thinking this is beyond you, but I'm going to try to explain it anyhow.

Empathy does equate to right/wrong. It's a matter of your brain processing something as happening to you instead of what you're witnessing. Say you see an old woman who has fallen and broken her hip and her purse sitting next to her, and no one else is around.

Most normal, well-adjusted people are going to go and help the woman. Because their brain has processed the stimulus of seeing her in that position as seeing yourself in that position, and it triggers you to help her, thus doing the "right" or "moral" thing.

Some people may be able to override that or lack that proper brain chemistry, and they'll grab her purse and run.

And a very rare few really sick/abnormal people would take it as an opportunity to inflict pain or further damage to her, because their brain chemistry is so *** up that to them it's the "right" thing.

Generally when people commit terroristic acts -- for religion or otherwise -- they're young males. Because their neural pathways are not entirely formed, and they are impressionable. They've been taught -- often since childhood -- to see their "target" as "less" than them, not as an equal as a human being. It's easier to do harm to something you consider inferior because it represses your empathic response.

Or, again, some are just sociopaths who don't properly have empathic responses.

Wrong. You just aren't getting it. The empathy triggers you to do the right thing. What if you walked away? Without morality and the choice to do the right thing, you would always, every single time, help the lady up. You wouldnt have the capacity to choose not to. The act of choosing is the evidence of morality. We would have no choice but to help if empathy dictated right and wrong. We would have to help every time. If we didn't help only 1 time, then that theory is flawed.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-16 13:27:05
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Also *** god he killed dinosaurs
According to the Bible, the earth only existed for 6,000 years prior to today.
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By ScaevolaBahamut 2015-01-16 13:27:11
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Asura.Alexandero said: »
I can't argue with you at this point. I think you should do some more research on the topic. If the only thing you accept has to be proven, then you have to reject a large portion of scientific theories, i.e. macro-evolution.

Is there logical conclusion other than macroevolution to be drawn from what we know and readily observe about micro/adaptation/genetic selection?

Everybody shits on Young Earthers but that's pretty much the ONLY scenario you can come up with where macro doesn't hold.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-16 13:28:28
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Asura.Alexandero said: »
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Empathy =/= Right/Wrong

I'm thinking this is beyond you, but I'm going to try to explain it anyhow.

Empathy does equate to right/wrong. It's a matter of your brain processing something as happening to you instead of what you're witnessing. Say you see an old woman who has fallen and broken her hip and her purse sitting next to her, and no one else is around.

Most normal, well-adjusted people are going to go and help the woman. Because their brain has processed the stimulus of seeing her in that position as seeing yourself in that position, and it triggers you to help her, thus doing the "right" or "moral" thing.

Some people may be able to override that or lack that proper brain chemistry, and they'll grab her purse and run.

And a very rare few really sick/abnormal people would take it as an opportunity to inflict pain or further damage to her, because their brain chemistry is so *** up that to them it's the "right" thing.

Generally when people commit terroristic acts -- for religion or otherwise -- they're young males. Because their neural pathways are not entirely formed, and they are impressionable. They've been taught -- often since childhood -- to see their "target" as "less" than them, not as an equal as a human being. It's easier to do harm to something you consider inferior because it represses your empathic response.

Or, again, some are just sociopaths who don't properly have empathic responses.

Wrong. You just aren't getting it. The empathy triggers you to do the right thing. What if you walked away? Without morality and the choice to do the right thing, you would always, every single time, help the lady up. You wouldnt have the capacity to choose not to. The act of choosing is the evidence of morality. We would have no choice but to help if empathy dictated right and wrong. We would have to help every time. If we didn't help only 1 time, then that theory is flawed.


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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2015-01-16 13:28:40
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Also why is it ok for god to rape a married woman but I do it and get punished?
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Actually, it's the death of the innocents as a threat to the wicked that should be grieved for.

Anything else is just potato.

They were sacrificed as a means of a threat in order to control the wicked and the corrupted, which ultimately, can't be brought under control. It doesn't dissuade them from perpetrating evil or otherwise unconscionable acts.

Such an act would in itself, be morally reprehensible to basically anyone who thinks logically, rather than thinking faithfully.

"I shall punish the innocent to prove to the wicked I mean business" when logically, if God meant business, he'd punish the wicked.

The point isn't that everyone is going to die, because that is an inevitability. There is no religious point or context in that which would hold any merit in a religious debate.

The Wicked live being wicked, often without punishment.

The Innocent live innocently, often being punished by the wicked, and by God for the deeds of the wicked.

But, apparently because both end up dying, the point you've surmised is that everyone dies.
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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 13:30:27
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Cerberus.Anjisnu said: »
Cancer, retardation, miscarriages, natural disasters, diabetes, sids if there was a god these alone prove he shouldn't be trusted with anyone's life/afterlife

Without these bad mutations, there would be no mutations. Yes, they suck, but without mutations evolution never happens, without evolution, we never happen.

Natural disasters. The universe is constantly evolving. We need plate tectonics for a livable world. We need weather patterns for a world that sustains life. Research this. Yes, they suck, but they are also necessary for us to exist at all. :)
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By Odin.Blazeoffury 2015-01-16 13:30:34
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Asura.Alexandero said: »
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If you don't believe the Bible to be a divine book, it becomes a historical record into the insight of people long dead with as much moral advice as superstitious nonsense that should be rightfully laughed as sectarian hullabaloo. And you have to sift to get to the wisdom. Or just crib Proverbs which is basically a record of wisdom from civilizations in the region at their respective times.

God comes off as petty, wrathful, abusive, tyrannical, sexist and every other sort of ill human behavior fit for the worst of our lot in the OT and having to read about why slavery at any point in time was sanctioned by God is just insulting. Slavery will exist so long as humans are human but God was chill with this? Ok.

Jesus is the reboot but still faces the same problems in that you're commanded to believe or face stiff consequences. The sects that have written this off or tried to reinvent Jesus' sacrifice for our sin as being an act of pure compassion and that no punishment exists bstill find themselves rooted in the OT story of two peeps in a garden with a fruit God said not to eat that got eaten that becomes the lynchpin of the whole story.

Ok, see, this is what I do have an issue with. People don't believe in God because in the Old Testament he is an *** and who wants to worship an ***, right? But you guys fall into a paradox with this. You don't believe in God because he is an ***, so you reject the book as being Holy, even though, the book you reject as being anymore than fairy tales, is the same book that initially convinced you not to believe in God. This is absolutely illogical and paradoxical. You can't reject a book as being BS writing from a bunch of old people but chose not to believe in God because you don't like the way he is in that same book.

Actually, no.

In my case, doing some inspection of the text was the final straw in my journey with Christianity. Reading the word of God condone slavery was my watershed moment. The blatant hypocrisy in my childhood churches, the boredom of the entire worship exercise, the insufficient answers to questions I've had since youth and the reality that saying you're Christian/Islamic/Jewish doesn't morph you into a 'good' person was enough. Worse, the type of hatred being spewed around never really made sense to me.

Why do we say Jesus is a man of infinite love then pour scorn on others when we're supposed to be more like Jesus?
Why do we hate gay people unconditionally?
Why is it always doom and gloom?
Why does the pastor speak of modesty while living a life of excess?
Why does church feel more like a show than a commitment?
Why does mom keep bringing me here?

Further, I think my interest in video games and the heroic characters portrayed in them that did good for the sake of doing good, without religion, is probably the biggest factor in developing my thinking. That altruism has stuck, despite having to add the complexity of our world to my worldview.

I've learned more about morality doing fetch quests for pixel characters.

Right, I get it. I really do. The God that was portrayed in the Old Testament was an ***. However, I also understand that some ancient farmer wrote those books. Maybe he just made it all up. That wouldn't change whether or not God really exists. Nor would it make him an ***. It's just some farmer talking about stuff he doesn't know.

Christians piss me off. I know where you are coming from. The teach love everyone but hate gays. It's hypocracy at its finest. They teach dont judge but condemn you if you dont live up to their standards. The same goes for all religions. However, it makes no difference to me what they want to spout out of their mouth. Their opinion means nothing when it comes to what God really is and how he really wants us to treat others. I, and this is nothing more than an opinion, believe that Christ was Gods way of setting the record straight. He was tired of those Old Testament guys talking crap about him and had to do something about it. So, the best thing to do would be to send someone that knew him and what he was really like.

I listen and follow what Jesus taught and only what he taught. God is timeless, he doesn't change. If we lived in the world of Vanadiel, our only chance to know about a company called square enix would be someone coming from square to tell us. Christ could potentially be the only window we have to the real nature of God. Screw what some farmer wrote, we have no idea if it came from God or not. I wouldn't base my belief of God on the opinion of any human being, especially a really old one.
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Informed christians who practice don't hate gay people. I have gay friends and i share the truth and leave it at that. Still invite them to my house and they crash over. No hate about it.

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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 13:33:24
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Also what about all the people who never even *** heard of god they get a mulligan or just *** from birth?

Well, the Catholic church used to say they're *** from birth, basically. All those unbaptised heathens forever milling around in limbo or w/e. But they've backpeddled, as religion is wont to do as necessary, so apparently now they get a mulligan or w/e.

Omg, stop listening to religious entities to decide. If God really cares, do you really think he would punish them for something they weren't aware of? I wish you guys would stop equating God with religion. In fact, even God gets pissed off at the churches in Revelation and "spits them out of his mouth", don't take that literally you literalist! lol
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2015-01-16 13:33:26
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Asura.Alexandero said: »
Without these bad mutations, there would be no mutations. Yes, they suck, but without mutations evolution never happens, without evolution, we never happen.

If there were a god that was any good at his job, we wouldn't have needed evolution.
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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 13:34:34
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Bahamut.Omael said: »
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As Dr. House once said, numbers don't lie.



Better House quote.

I don't disagree. I am just as anti-religion as Christopher Hitchens but I still believe in God. See prior posts for explanations.
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By Bahamut.Omael 2015-01-16 13:34:34
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Youtube video? Well, I'm convinced.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2015-01-16 13:34:54
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Also why is it ok for god to rape a married woman but I do it and get punished?

Well, depending on the religion, the only problem with that is that she was married.

According to the old testament, if she was single and you raped her, as long as you married her afterward, she was all yours.

Literally. That *** is property.

Because God knows women are objects.
 
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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Also what about all the people who never even *** heard of god they get a mulligan or just *** from birth?
The bible says that people know that God exist because creation is proof of Himself. It's a debated subject among christians of what happens to those who have never heard of Jesus. I personal believe God grades on the curve as He seems to have done in the old testament. The only problem with that is that man isn't mostly Good fighting the small urge to not be bad but inherently bad fighting to do good. So the necessity of the Gospel to be preached is vital.
Why do you use the bible for reference?

You know that the bible is written by man, not by God. If God is so great, why not use him as a primary source instead of a secondary source like the bible?
Because God has chosen to reveal Himself in Christ and Christ is vividly expressed in the scriptures.
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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 13:38:53
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Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
For the record, and I may have said this before, but believe me when say that I'd love to be able to convince myself in religion. How much easier would life be having absolute certainty? Engaging in and being a part of that huge church family where everyone else is the same in that fashion? Not having to watch what I say at every turn around work, friends, family, being careful not to offend anyone while in turn being offended frequently?

But...sadly, no matter how many times I review the "evidence", all I see is one big hypocritical ponzy scheme.

No, don't. Screw religion. You don't need it. God doesn't need religion to exist. Make up your own mind based on what you think is rational. Don't let religion play into the equation, it is irrelevant to the answer.
 
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Also this free will excuse that gets tossed around I'm pretty sure some of those people supposedly murdered in the old testament had the will to live and if god killed them he went against their free will no?

If you believe that the people that wrote those stories had any idea what they are talking about. What if they said he did, but he didn't? Isn't that more likely if Jesus was telling the truth?
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