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Are All Terrorists Muslims? It’s Not Even Close
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-16 13:21:48
If you show me a painting i don't need to see the painter to know one exist. If you show me a building i don't have to see the builder to know that one exist and for me its the same with creation, creation itself is the absolute proof that somebody did make it. That's because a painter and builder existed in one point of time. There is proof in that because somebody physically offered services, and somebody else can do the exact same thing.
If God exists, where's the proof? The only mention of God as a source is a book written by human hands. How can he exist if he is a figment of somebody's imagination?
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2015-01-16 13:22:24
For the record, and I may have said this before, but believe me when say that I'd love to be able to convince myself in religion. How much easier would life be having absolute certainty? Engaging in and being a part of that huge church family where everyone else is the same in that fashion? Not having to watch what I say at every turn around work, friends, family, being careful not to offend anyone while in turn being offended frequently?
But...sadly, no matter how many times I review the "evidence", all I see is one big hypocritical ponzy scheme.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-16 13:22:48
Wait, you are trying to quote a fictional character to help define another fictional character?
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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 13:22:59
can you read? Read "alot". You proving that they can account for something, does not prove that they account for everything. Poor argument.
So your argument of a 5th dimension being is good because?
There are 4 others? Is there a reason it should stop at 5? Because Physicist agree there are alot more than we know about? I don't see your point? I made an argument address a particular piece of the pie. This is an argument for the whole pie simply based on a piece.
You just dismissed factual proof/data saying it's a poor argument, but you take a theory with no proof/data and think it's a proper argument. There's not even officially 4 dimension, time being a dimension is also a theory. I can't argue with you at this point. I think you should do some more research on the topic. If the only thing you accept has to be proven, then you have to reject a large portion of scientific theories, i.e. macro-evolution.
I understand it is a theory, but it's the best we have right now. Maybe we get more info inthe future and I will be glad to change my thinking on the topic. I don't assume anything to be not subject to change.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2015-01-16 13:24:06
Also this free will excuse that gets tossed around I'm pretty sure some of those people supposedly murdered in the old testament had the will to live and if god killed them he went against their free will no?
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By Odin.Blazeoffury 2015-01-16 13:24:55
Also what about all the people who never even *** heard of god they get a mulligan or just *** from birth? The bible says that people know that God exist because creation is proof of Himself. It's a debated subject among christians of what happens to those who have never heard of Jesus. I personal believe God grades on the curve as He seems to have done in the old testament. The only problem with that is that man isn't mostly Good fighting the small urge to not be bad but inherently bad fighting to do good. So the necessity of the Gospel to be preached is vital.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-16 13:25:01
can you read? Read "alot". You proving that they can account for something, does not prove that they account for everything. Poor argument.
So your argument of a 5th dimension being is good because?
There are 4 others? Is there a reason it should stop at 5? Because Physicist agree there are alot more than we know about? I don't see your point? I made an argument address a particular piece of the pie. This is an argument for the whole pie simply based on a piece.
You just dismissed factual proof/data saying it's a poor argument, but you take a theory with no proof/data and think it's a proper argument. There's not even officially 4 dimension, time being a dimension is also a theory. I can't argue with you at this point. I think you should do some more research on the topic. If the only thing you accept has to be proven, then you have to reject a large portion of scientific theories, i.e. macro-evolution.
I understand it is a theory, but it's the best we have right now. Maybe we get more info inthe future and I will be glad to change my thinking on the topic. I don't assume anything to be not subject to change. The difference between scientific theory and theological theory is the ability to run tests to produce the same results.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2015-01-16 13:25:20
Also *** god he killed dinosaurs
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2015-01-16 13:25:31
Remember that time God convinced a loyal follower to kill his own son and then stopped him at the last minute, just to see if he would do it?
Man, that God. What a jokester!
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-16 13:26:17
Also what about all the people who never even *** heard of god they get a mulligan or just *** from birth? The bible says that people know that God exist because creation is proof of Himself. It's a debated subject among christians of what happens to those who have never heard of Jesus. I personal believe God grades on the curve as He seems to have done in the old testament. The only problem with that is that man isn't mostly Good fighting the small urge to not be bad but inherently bad fighting to do good. So the necessity of the Gospel to be preached is vital. Why do you use the bible for reference?
You know that the bible is written by man, not by God. If God is so great, why not use him as a primary source instead of a secondary source like the bible?
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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 13:26:29
I'm thinking this is beyond you, but I'm going to try to explain it anyhow.
Empathy does equate to right/wrong. It's a matter of your brain processing something as happening to you instead of what you're witnessing. Say you see an old woman who has fallen and broken her hip and her purse sitting next to her, and no one else is around.
Most normal, well-adjusted people are going to go and help the woman. Because their brain has processed the stimulus of seeing her in that position as seeing yourself in that position, and it triggers you to help her, thus doing the "right" or "moral" thing.
Some people may be able to override that or lack that proper brain chemistry, and they'll grab her purse and run.
And a very rare few really sick/abnormal people would take it as an opportunity to inflict pain or further damage to her, because their brain chemistry is so *** up that to them it's the "right" thing.
Generally when people commit terroristic acts -- for religion or otherwise -- they're young males. Because their neural pathways are not entirely formed, and they are impressionable. They've been taught -- often since childhood -- to see their "target" as "less" than them, not as an equal as a human being. It's easier to do harm to something you consider inferior because it represses your empathic response.
Or, again, some are just sociopaths who don't properly have empathic responses.
Wrong. You just aren't getting it. The empathy triggers you to do the right thing. What if you walked away? Without morality and the choice to do the right thing, you would always, every single time, help the lady up. You wouldnt have the capacity to choose not to. The act of choosing is the evidence of morality. We would have no choice but to help if empathy dictated right and wrong. We would have to help every time. If we didn't help only 1 time, then that theory is flawed.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-16 13:27:05
Also *** god he killed dinosaurs According to the Bible, the earth only existed for 6,000 years prior to today.
By ScaevolaBahamut 2015-01-16 13:27:11
I can't argue with you at this point. I think you should do some more research on the topic. If the only thing you accept has to be proven, then you have to reject a large portion of scientific theories, i.e. macro-evolution.
Is there logical conclusion other than macroevolution to be drawn from what we know and readily observe about micro/adaptation/genetic selection?
Everybody shits on Young Earthers but that's pretty much the ONLY scenario you can come up with where macro doesn't hold.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-16 13:28:28
I'm thinking this is beyond you, but I'm going to try to explain it anyhow.
Empathy does equate to right/wrong. It's a matter of your brain processing something as happening to you instead of what you're witnessing. Say you see an old woman who has fallen and broken her hip and her purse sitting next to her, and no one else is around.
Most normal, well-adjusted people are going to go and help the woman. Because their brain has processed the stimulus of seeing her in that position as seeing yourself in that position, and it triggers you to help her, thus doing the "right" or "moral" thing.
Some people may be able to override that or lack that proper brain chemistry, and they'll grab her purse and run.
And a very rare few really sick/abnormal people would take it as an opportunity to inflict pain or further damage to her, because their brain chemistry is so *** up that to them it's the "right" thing.
Generally when people commit terroristic acts -- for religion or otherwise -- they're young males. Because their neural pathways are not entirely formed, and they are impressionable. They've been taught -- often since childhood -- to see their "target" as "less" than them, not as an equal as a human being. It's easier to do harm to something you consider inferior because it represses your empathic response.
Or, again, some are just sociopaths who don't properly have empathic responses.
Wrong. You just aren't getting it. The empathy triggers you to do the right thing. What if you walked away? Without morality and the choice to do the right thing, you would always, every single time, help the lady up. You wouldnt have the capacity to choose not to. The act of choosing is the evidence of morality. We would have no choice but to help if empathy dictated right and wrong. We would have to help every time. If we didn't help only 1 time, then that theory is flawed.
Quote: em·pa·thy
n. the ability to understand and share the feelings of another.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2015-01-16 13:28:40
Also why is it ok for god to rape a married woman but I do it and get punished?
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By Bloodrose 2015-01-16 13:29:25
Actually, it's the death of the innocents as a threat to the wicked that should be grieved for.
Anything else is just potato.
They were sacrificed as a means of a threat in order to control the wicked and the corrupted, which ultimately, can't be brought under control. It doesn't dissuade them from perpetrating evil or otherwise unconscionable acts.
Such an act would in itself, be morally reprehensible to basically anyone who thinks logically, rather than thinking faithfully.
"I shall punish the innocent to prove to the wicked I mean business" when logically, if God meant business, he'd punish the wicked.
The point isn't that everyone is going to die, because that is an inevitability. There is no religious point or context in that which would hold any merit in a religious debate.
The Wicked live being wicked, often without punishment.
The Innocent live innocently, often being punished by the wicked, and by God for the deeds of the wicked.
But, apparently because both end up dying, the point you've surmised is that everyone dies.
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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 13:30:27
Cancer, retardation, miscarriages, natural disasters, diabetes, sids if there was a god these alone prove he shouldn't be trusted with anyone's life/afterlife
Without these bad mutations, there would be no mutations. Yes, they suck, but without mutations evolution never happens, without evolution, we never happen.
Natural disasters. The universe is constantly evolving. We need plate tectonics for a livable world. We need weather patterns for a world that sustains life. Research this. Yes, they suck, but they are also necessary for us to exist at all. :)
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By Odin.Blazeoffury 2015-01-16 13:30:34
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »If you don't believe the Bible to be a divine book, it becomes a historical record into the insight of people long dead with as much moral advice as superstitious nonsense that should be rightfully laughed as sectarian hullabaloo. And you have to sift to get to the wisdom. Or just crib Proverbs which is basically a record of wisdom from civilizations in the region at their respective times.
God comes off as petty, wrathful, abusive, tyrannical, sexist and every other sort of ill human behavior fit for the worst of our lot in the OT and having to read about why slavery at any point in time was sanctioned by God is just insulting. Slavery will exist so long as humans are human but God was chill with this? Ok.
Jesus is the reboot but still faces the same problems in that you're commanded to believe or face stiff consequences. The sects that have written this off or tried to reinvent Jesus' sacrifice for our sin as being an act of pure compassion and that no punishment exists bstill find themselves rooted in the OT story of two peeps in a garden with a fruit God said not to eat that got eaten that becomes the lynchpin of the whole story.
Ok, see, this is what I do have an issue with. People don't believe in God because in the Old Testament he is an *** and who wants to worship an ***, right? But you guys fall into a paradox with this. You don't believe in God because he is an ***, so you reject the book as being Holy, even though, the book you reject as being anymore than fairy tales, is the same book that initially convinced you not to believe in God. This is absolutely illogical and paradoxical. You can't reject a book as being BS writing from a bunch of old people but chose not to believe in God because you don't like the way he is in that same book.
Actually, no.
In my case, doing some inspection of the text was the final straw in my journey with Christianity. Reading the word of God condone slavery was my watershed moment. The blatant hypocrisy in my childhood churches, the boredom of the entire worship exercise, the insufficient answers to questions I've had since youth and the reality that saying you're Christian/Islamic/Jewish doesn't morph you into a 'good' person was enough. Worse, the type of hatred being spewed around never really made sense to me.
Why do we say Jesus is a man of infinite love then pour scorn on others when we're supposed to be more like Jesus?
Why do we hate gay people unconditionally?
Why is it always doom and gloom?
Why does the pastor speak of modesty while living a life of excess?
Why does church feel more like a show than a commitment?
Why does mom keep bringing me here?
Further, I think my interest in video games and the heroic characters portrayed in them that did good for the sake of doing good, without religion, is probably the biggest factor in developing my thinking. That altruism has stuck, despite having to add the complexity of our world to my worldview.
I've learned more about morality doing fetch quests for pixel characters.
Right, I get it. I really do. The God that was portrayed in the Old Testament was an ***. However, I also understand that some ancient farmer wrote those books. Maybe he just made it all up. That wouldn't change whether or not God really exists. Nor would it make him an ***. It's just some farmer talking about stuff he doesn't know.
Christians piss me off. I know where you are coming from. The teach love everyone but hate gays. It's hypocracy at its finest. They teach dont judge but condemn you if you dont live up to their standards. The same goes for all religions. However, it makes no difference to me what they want to spout out of their mouth. Their opinion means nothing when it comes to what God really is and how he really wants us to treat others. I, and this is nothing more than an opinion, believe that Christ was Gods way of setting the record straight. He was tired of those Old Testament guys talking crap about him and had to do something about it. So, the best thing to do would be to send someone that knew him and what he was really like.
I listen and follow what Jesus taught and only what he taught. God is timeless, he doesn't change. If we lived in the world of Vanadiel, our only chance to know about a company called square enix would be someone coming from square to tell us. Christ could potentially be the only window we have to the real nature of God. Screw what some farmer wrote, we have no idea if it came from God or not. I wouldn't base my belief of God on the opinion of any human being, especially a really old one. YouTube Video Placeholder
Informed christians who practice don't hate gay people. I have gay friends and i share the truth and leave it at that. Still invite them to my house and they crash over. No hate about it.
Edit: My 15 year old nephew is gay. I love the little guy.
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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 13:33:24
Also what about all the people who never even *** heard of god they get a mulligan or just *** from birth?
Well, the Catholic church used to say they're *** from birth, basically. All those unbaptised heathens forever milling around in limbo or w/e. But they've backpeddled, as religion is wont to do as necessary, so apparently now they get a mulligan or w/e.
Omg, stop listening to religious entities to decide. If God really cares, do you really think he would punish them for something they weren't aware of? I wish you guys would stop equating God with religion. In fact, even God gets pissed off at the churches in Revelation and "spits them out of his mouth", don't take that literally you literalist! lol
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2015-01-16 13:33:26
Without these bad mutations, there would be no mutations. Yes, they suck, but without mutations evolution never happens, without evolution, we never happen.
If there were a god that was any good at his job, we wouldn't have needed evolution.
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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 13:34:34
As Dr. House once said, numbers don't lie.
Better House quote.
I don't disagree. I am just as anti-religion as Christopher Hitchens but I still believe in God. See prior posts for explanations.
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By Bahamut.Omael 2015-01-16 13:34:34
Youtube video? Well, I'm convinced.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2015-01-16 13:34:54
Also why is it ok for god to rape a married woman but I do it and get punished?
Well, depending on the religion, the only problem with that is that she was married.
According to the old testament, if she was single and you raped her, as long as you married her afterward, she was all yours.
Literally. That *** is property.
Because God knows women are objects.
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By Odin.Blazeoffury 2015-01-16 13:37:46
Also what about all the people who never even *** heard of god they get a mulligan or just *** from birth? The bible says that people know that God exist because creation is proof of Himself. It's a debated subject among christians of what happens to those who have never heard of Jesus. I personal believe God grades on the curve as He seems to have done in the old testament. The only problem with that is that man isn't mostly Good fighting the small urge to not be bad but inherently bad fighting to do good. So the necessity of the Gospel to be preached is vital. Why do you use the bible for reference?
You know that the bible is written by man, not by God. If God is so great, why not use him as a primary source instead of a secondary source like the bible? Because God has chosen to reveal Himself in Christ and Christ is vividly expressed in the scriptures.
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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 13:38:53
For the record, and I may have said this before, but believe me when say that I'd love to be able to convince myself in religion. How much easier would life be having absolute certainty? Engaging in and being a part of that huge church family where everyone else is the same in that fashion? Not having to watch what I say at every turn around work, friends, family, being careful not to offend anyone while in turn being offended frequently?
But...sadly, no matter how many times I review the "evidence", all I see is one big hypocritical ponzy scheme.
No, don't. Screw religion. You don't need it. God doesn't need religion to exist. Make up your own mind based on what you think is rational. Don't let religion play into the equation, it is irrelevant to the answer.
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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 13:40:16
Also this free will excuse that gets tossed around I'm pretty sure some of those people supposedly murdered in the old testament had the will to live and if god killed them he went against their free will no?
If you believe that the people that wrote those stories had any idea what they are talking about. What if they said he did, but he didn't? Isn't that more likely if Jesus was telling the truth?
Quote: What percentage of terror attacks in the United States and Europe are committed by Muslims? Guess. Nope. Guess again. And again...
“Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.” How many times have you heard that one? Sure, we heard Fox News’s Brian Kilmeade say it, but to me, that was simply part of the Fox News plan to make their viewers dumber, as we saw again this past weekend when its terrorism “expert” Steve Emerson was caught fabricating the story that Birmingham, England, is closed to non-Muslims. But more alarmingly, even some reasonable people have uttered this statement.
And that comment is often followed up by the question: Why don’t we see Christian, Buddhist, or Jewish terrorists?
Obviously, there are people who sincerely view themselves as Muslims who have committed horrible acts in the name of Islam. We Muslims can make the case that their actions are not based on any part of the faith but on their own political agenda. But they are Muslims, no denying that.
However, and this will probably shock many, so you might want to take a breath: Overwhelmingly, those who have committed terrorist attacks in the United States and Europe aren’t Muslims. Let’s give that a moment to sink in.
Now, it’s not your fault if you aren’t aware of that fact. You can blame the media. (Yes, Sarah Palin and I actually agree on one thing: The mainstream media sucks.)
So here are some statistics for those interested. Let’s start with Europe. Want to guess what percent of the terrorist attacks there were committed by Muslims over the past five years? Wrong. That is, unless you said less than 2 percent.
As Europol, the European Union’s law-enforcement agency, noted in its report released last year, the vast majority of terror attacks in Europe were perpetrated by separatist groups. For example, in 2013, there were 152 terror attacks in Europe. Only two of them were “religiously motivated,” while 84 were predicated upon ethno-nationalist or separatist beliefs.
Or what about the (dare I mention them) Jewish terrorists? Per the 2013 State Department’s report on terrorism, there were 399 acts of terror committed by Israeli settlers.
We are talking about groups like France’s FLNC, which advocates an independent nation for the island of Corsica. In December 2013, FLNC terrorists carried out simultaneous rocket attacks against police stations in two French cities. And in Greece in late 2013, the left-wing Militant Popular Revolutionary Forces shot and killed two members of the right-wing political party Golden Dawn. While over in Italy, the anarchist group FAI engaged in numerous terror attacks including sending a bomb to a journalist. And the list goes on and on.
Have you heard of these incidents? Probably not. But if Muslims had committed them do you think you our media would’ve covered it? No need to answer, that’s a rhetorical question.
Even after one of the worst terror attacks ever in Europe in 2011, when Anders Breivik slaughtered 77 people in Norway to further his anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant, and pro-“Christian Europe” agenda as he stated in his manifesto, how much press did we see in the United States? Yes, it was covered, but not the way we see when a Muslim terrorist is involved. Plus we didn’t see terrorism experts fill the cable news sphere asking how we can stop future Christian terrorists. In fact, even the suggestion that Breivik was a “Christian terrorist” was met with outrage by many, including Fox News’s Bill O’Reilly.
Have you heard about the Buddhist terrorists? Well, extremist Buddhists have killed many Muslim civilians in Burma, and just a few months ago in Sri Lanka, some went on a violent rampage burning down Muslim homes and businesses and slaughtering four Muslims.
Or what about the (dare I mention them) Jewish terrorists? Per the 2013 State Department’s report on terrorism, there were 399 acts of terror committed by Israeli settlers in what are known as “price tag” attacks. These Jewish terrorists attacked Palestinian civilians causing physical injuries to 93 of them and also vandalized scores of mosques and Christian churches.
Back in the United States, the percentage of terror attacks committed by Muslims is almost as miniscule as in Europe. An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims. In actuality, 42 percent of terror attacks were carried out by Latino-related groups, followed by 24 percent perpetrated by extreme left-wing actors.
And as a 2014 study by University of North Carolina found, since the 9/11 attacks, Muslim-linked terrorism has claimed the lives of 37 Americans. In that same time period, more than 190,000 Americans were murdered (PDF).
In fact in 2013, it was actually more likely Americans would be killed by a toddler than a terrorist. In that year, three Americans were killed in the Boston Marathon bombing. How many people did toddlers kill in 2013? Five, all by accidentally shooting a gun.
But our media simply do not cover the non-Muslim terror attacks with same gusto. Why? It’s a business decision. Stories about scary “others” play better. It’s a story that can simply be framed as good versus evil with Americans being the good guy and the brown Muslim as the bad.
Honestly, when is the last time we heard the media refer to those who attack abortion clinics as “Christian terrorists,” even though these attacks occur at one of every five reproductive health-care facilities? That doesn’t sell as well. After all we are a so-called Christian nation, so that would require us to look at the enemy within our country, and that makes many uncomfortable. Or worse, it makes them change the channel.
That’s the same reason we don’t see many stories about how to reduce the 30 Americans killed each day by gun violence or the three women per day killed by domestic violence. But the media will have on expert after expert discussing how can we stop these scary brown Muslims from killing any more Americans despite the fact you actually have a better chance of being killed by a refrigerator falling on you.
Look, this article is not going to change the media’s business model. But what I hope it does is cause some to realize that not all terrorists are Muslims. In fact, they are actually a very small percent of those that are. Now, I’m not saying to ignore the dangers posed by Islamic radicals. I’m just saying look out for those refrigerators.
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