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Are All Terrorists Muslims? It’s Not Even Close
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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 12:53:20
evolution and simply genetics can't account for alot of our actions that go to the contrary.
Yes, they can.
Neural mechanisms of empathy in humans
Neurological research is a marvellous thing.
can you read? Read "alot". You proving that they can account for something, does not prove that they account for everything. Poor argument.
It's an example refuting your example. Given it's been just over two minutes and that's an in-depth research article, it's a given that you didn't read it, maybe didn't even click the link.
But don't claim "there are things we don't under and never will" when your very example can be explained.
Keep clinging to your security blanket, though.
Empathy is a behavior. The output of an internal feeling. We can explain behavior using science. Morality is a philosophical question. No, science will never prove it exists or it doesn't because it isn't a science question. Science shows how things happen, philosophy addresses why they happen.
Science can show us how we exist, but not why. How the universe works, but not why. How we came into existence, but not why. You are having issues distinguishing between philosophy and science. Empathy =/= Right/Wrong, no more than anger = right/wrong. It is simply behavior.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-01-16 12:55:45
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »If you don't believe the Bible to be a divine book, it becomes a historical record into the insight of people long dead with as much moral advice as superstitious nonsense that should be rightfully laughed as sectarian hullabaloo. And you have to sift to get to the wisdom. Or just crib Proverbs which is basically a record of wisdom from civilizations in the region at their respective times.
God comes off as petty, wrathful, abusive, tyrannical, sexist and every other sort of ill human behavior fit for the worst of our lot in the OT and having to read about why slavery at any point in time was sanctioned by God is just insulting. Slavery will exist so long as humans are human but God was chill with this? Ok.
Jesus is the reboot but still faces the same problems in that you're commanded to believe or face stiff consequences. The sects that have written this off or tried to reinvent Jesus' sacrifice for our sin as being an act of pure compassion and that no punishment exists bstill find themselves rooted in the OT story of two peeps in a garden with a fruit God said not to eat that got eaten that becomes the lynchpin of the whole story.
Ok, see, this is what I do have an issue with. People don't believe in God because in the Old Testament he is an *** and who wants to worship an ***, right? But you guys fall into a paradox with this. You don't believe in God because he is an ***, so you reject the book as being Holy, even though, the book you reject as being anymore than fairy tales, is the same book that initially convinced you not to believe in God. This is absolutely illogical and paradoxical. You can't reject a book as being BS writing from a bunch of old people but chose not to believe in God because you don't like the way he is in that same book.
Actually, no.
In my case, doing some inspection of the text was the final straw in my journey with Christianity. Reading the word of God condone slavery was my watershed moment. The blatant hypocrisy in my childhood churches, the boredom of the entire worship exercise, the insufficient answers to questions I've had since youth and the reality that saying you're Christian/Islamic/Jewish doesn't morph you into a 'good' person was enough. Worse, the type of hatred being spewed around never really made sense to me.
Why do we say Jesus is a man of infinite love then pour scorn on others when we're supposed to be more like Jesus?
Why do we hate gay people unconditionally?
Why is it always doom and gloom?
Why does the pastor speak of modesty while living a life of excess?
Why does church feel more like a show than a commitment?
Why does mom keep bringing me here?
Further, I think my interest in video games and the heroic characters portrayed in them that did good for the sake of doing good, without religion, is probably the biggest factor in developing my thinking. That altruism has stuck, despite having to add the complexity of our world to my worldview.
I've learned more about morality doing fetch quests for pixel characters.
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By Bloodrose 2015-01-16 12:56:45
There have been many evidential findings of Great Floods, but not in the context that is written about in the Bible on a scale to "Flood the World".
Regions have come under tectonic shifts which would cause tidal waves or Tsunamis, which would result in entire cities being flooded.
However, the argument is that "God" created a world-wide "Great Flood" to rid the world of the corrupt and wicked/evil, but in order to do so, he had to sacrifice many more innocents than there were wicked people. Such is not the work of the Divine or a Divine being as humans wish to think.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-16 13:00:32
Are you seriously asking me to Prove to you that god exists and verify the bibles? I'm asking you to prove that a higher being exists without using a book that you claim was written by the word of that very higher being.
To demand proof of something that requires faith is a ridicules statement. To demand faith without proof is more ridiculous.
Can you prove the bibles are not what they say they are? Sure, just by pointing out the real author of the first edition of the bible. Written by a human's hand.
Good morals are in the bibles as core teachings. You are assuming that holy books instill said morals to society. Which it is the complete opposite: society instill morals into holy books.
Whether you believe in god/that god or not is irrelevant. But if your religion requires you to worship a being, it is relevant. Most religions are like this...
My opinion is that going by the basic teachings of essentially, being a good person/being the best person you can be, is, I believe, the best route you can take in life. For your own happiness. Good for you. I'm also glad that you stated that this is an opinion.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2015-01-16 13:01:14
I'm thinking this is beyond you, but I'm going to try to explain it anyhow.
Empathy does equate to right/wrong. It's a matter of your brain processing something as happening to you instead of what you're witnessing. Say you see an old woman who has fallen and broken her hip and her purse sitting next to her, and no one else is around.
Most normal, well-adjusted people are going to go and help the woman. Because their brain has processed the stimulus of seeing her in that position as seeing yourself in that position, and it triggers you to help her, thus doing the "right" or "moral" thing.
Some people may be able to override that or lack that proper brain chemistry, and they'll grab her purse and run.
And a very rare few really sick/abnormal people would take it as an opportunity to inflict pain or further damage to her, because their brain chemistry is so *** up that to them it's the "right" thing.
Generally when people commit terroristic acts -- for religion or otherwise -- they're young males. Because their neural pathways are not entirely formed, and they are impressionable. They've been taught -- often since childhood -- to see their "target" as "less" than them, not as an equal as a human being. It's easier to do harm to something you consider inferior because it represses your empathic response.
Or, again, some are just sociopaths who don't properly have empathic responses.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-16 13:01:48
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »If you don't believe the Bible to be a divine book, it becomes a historical record into the insight of people long dead with as much moral advice as superstitious nonsense that should be rightfully laughed as sectarian hullabaloo. And you have to sift to get to the wisdom. Or just crib Proverbs which is basically a record of wisdom from civilizations in the region at their respective times.
God comes off as petty, wrathful, abusive, tyrannical, sexist and every other sort of ill human behavior fit for the worst of our lot in the OT and having to read about why slavery at any point in time was sanctioned by God is just insulting. Slavery will exist so long as humans are human but God was chill with this? Ok.
Jesus is the reboot but still faces the same problems in that you're commanded to believe or face stiff consequences. The sects that have written this off or tried to reinvent Jesus' sacrifice for our sin as being an act of pure compassion and that no punishment exists bstill find themselves rooted in the OT story of two peeps in a garden with a fruit God said not to eat that got eaten that becomes the lynchpin of the whole story.
Ok, see, this is what I do have an issue with. People don't believe in God because in the Old Testament he is an *** and who wants to worship an ***, right? But you guys fall into a paradox with this. You don't believe in God because he is an ***, so you reject the book as being Holy, even though, the book you reject as being anymore than fairy tales, is the same book that initially convinced you not to believe in God. This is absolutely illogical and paradoxical. You can't reject a book as being BS writing from a bunch of old people but chose not to believe in God because you don't like the way he is in that same book.
You can go potato all you want, epicurus nailed it a long time ago.
Quote: “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2015-01-16 13:02:52
There have been many evidential findings of Great Floods, but not in the context that is written about in the Bible on a scale to "Flood the World".
Well obviously. But to developing cultures of humans of the area, how big was the world they knew? They had no way to know the flood didn't hit the entire world, you know? Limitations of knowledge and filling in the blanks with myth and legend.
Tadaaaa! Religion!
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By Bloodrose 2015-01-16 13:03:52
I have chosen to worship the All Mighty Potato.
It is neither benevolent or malevolent.
Change is inevitable.
If you let it become stagnant it becomes poisonous.
It can be served in hundreds of ways.
Refer to the Potato thread for my Potato's Prayer.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-16 13:06:58
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2015-01-16 13:07:11
Oh good. A website full of creationist intellectual diarrhea.
Quote: The Holy Scriptures, comprised of Old and New Testaments, are fully and verbally inspired by God and are therefore infallible in the original writings and completely trustworthy in all areas in which they speak. --That website's "our beliefs" section.
You absolutely cannot conduct objective research of the Bible when you start from the viewpoint that it is, from cover to cover, infallible and completely true.
By ScaevolaBahamut 2015-01-16 13:07:33
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »What good morals are in the Bible as core teachings that you can't find anywhere else?
I'm not a Christian, but I'll definitely admit the New Testament really goes the extra mile in talking about mercy/forgiveness. Like, sin isn't really about being evil so much as just being thoughtless and dumb; God forgives you and loves you anyway, so repent, trust God, try to be a little less of a ***next time, and lay off your neighbor when he *** up, too.
Ecclesiastes is pretty baller, too.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2015-01-16 13:07:36
There have been many evidential findings of Great Floods, but not in the context that is written about in the Bible on a scale to "Flood the World".
Well obviously. But to developing cultures of humans of the area, how big was the world they knew? They had no way to know the flood didn't hit the entire world, you know? Limitations of knowledge and filling in the blanks with myth and legend.
Tadaaaa! Religion!
Makes perfect sense when contextualized in that manner. People interpret disasters outside of their control as the fury of a supernatural entity out to get them. Just like I get pissed when I can't find my *** keys or the train leaves in my face. This line of thinking only solidifies like wet cement when you add the grief of losing a loved one, friends or one's source of employment.
It's a coping mechanism.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-16 13:08:04
I have chosen to worship the All Mighty Potato.
It is neither benevolent or malevolent.
Change is inevitable.
If you let it become stagnant it becomes poisonous.
It can be served in hundreds of ways.
Refer to the Potato thread for my Potato's Prayer. The question is, which sect are you with?
Are you a Spuddist? Russettarian? Part of the Tader?
By Bloodrose 2015-01-16 13:09:50
I am an Inquisitor of the highest order to the Knights of Scallop.
A sect of followers who beseech the wisdom of Waxians.
(Wax Potatoes)
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-16 13:12:07
I am an Inquisitor of the highest order to the Knights of Scallop.
A sect of followers who beseech the wisdom of Waxians.
(Wax Potatoes) As long as you don't try to purge the Mashed with your inquisitions, then go for it.
I heard on the other continent they celebrate the freedom of Banana.
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By Odin.Blazeoffury 2015-01-16 13:12:19
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »If you don't believe the Bible to be a divine book, it becomes a historical record into the insight of people long dead with as much moral advice as superstitious nonsense that should be rightfully laughed as sectarian hullabaloo. And you have to sift to get to the wisdom. Or just crib Proverbs which is basically a record of wisdom from civilizations in the region at their respective times.
God comes off as petty, wrathful, abusive, tyrannical, sexist and every other sort of ill human behavior fit for the worst of our lot in the OT and having to read about why slavery at any point in time was sanctioned by God is just insulting. Slavery will exist so long as humans are human but God was chill with this? Ok.
Jesus is the reboot but still faces the same problems in that you're commanded to believe or face stiff consequences. The sects that have written this off or tried to reinvent Jesus' sacrifice for our sin as being an act of pure compassion and that no punishment exists bstill find themselves rooted in the OT story of two peeps in a garden with a fruit God said not to eat that got eaten that becomes the lynchpin of the whole story.
Ok, see, this is what I do have an issue with. People don't believe in God because in the Old Testament he is an *** and who wants to worship an ***, right? But you guys fall into a paradox with this. You don't believe in God because he is an ***, so you reject the book as being Holy, even though, the book you reject as being anymore than fairy tales, is the same book that initially convinced you not to believe in God. This is absolutely illogical and paradoxical. You can't reject a book as being BS writing from a bunch of old people but chose not to believe in God because you don't like the way he is in that same book.
You can go potato all you want, epicurus nailed it a long time ago.
Quote: “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”  Because of evil we also know aspects of God that wouldn't be known throughout eternity. If it wasn't for evil we wouldn't know the holiness of God, the righteousness of God and because of the price He paid by giving His Son, we wouldn't fully know the depth of His love either. While there is a God that people say doesn't exist, they also fail to denote a devil who has equal role in the equation.
The bible says before the foundation of the earth we were made to praise the glory of His grace. You don't have grace without sin and if our purpose was to praise His grace, it means He foreseen sin. Not only did the ultimate purpose of eternity foresee it, but if we were made to praise His grace, it required evil.
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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 13:12:44
You guys are taking away from my game time! Lol, ok I'm ending with this.
The bottom line to all of this is simple. You have to first decide whether or not you believe God exists. You cannot do that based on scientific evidence. If, in actuality, God does not exist, then there is no evidence for God. If, in actuality, God does exist, then everything that exists around you is proof of God. If you believe in God, you see the evidence, if you don't believe, you don't see the evidence.
Therefore, it is simple, whether you believe he exists or not is simply based on your opinion. There is a reason people that believe can use the same evidence to support that existence (i.e. the origin of life) as atheist can use against his existence. In the end, it's your own opinion and you should form it based on your own ability to think. Not someone elses beliefs. Do you research, ask questions, and do what you think is right.
There is a reason this debate can go on forever, it's based on opinions of each individual. Since we are all different, we will all have our own (hopefully). Personally, from a statistical standpoint, it is near a statitistical impossibility that some amino acids job hopped together one day in a setting that we can't even replicate in a lab, and formed proteins, which formed DNA, which was somehow able to acquire the information it needed to start building a cell. Can it happen? Yep. But statistically speaking, there is a greater chance for a dog with a hammer tied to its tail can run around in a pile of boards and build a house.
The second reason, I won't get into, but the big bang makes no sense from a rational perspective, at least in my eyes. Something cannot, has not, and will never, come from nothing. Nothing is nothing, it doesn't create stuff. I don't want to hear this Lawrence Krauss "nothing is actually a low energy state" theory. If that is the case, then it kinda isnt nothing, it's something, it's a low energy state.
There are tons of other statistical impossibilities, from our position in the solar system, to our evolution, to the cosmological constant. In fact, Dr. Francis Collins, the head of the Human Genome Project calculated that if every single event that has occurred from the beginning of the big bang until now was dedicated to doing nothing more than attempting to create life, the number of events that occurred would only be a very small fraction of the probability needed to actually do it. The number is so great, that the zeros needed to make the number, at 11 Point font, would fill up the entire solar system.
As Dr. House once said, numbers don't lie. Could it happen all by chance? Sure. It is so improbable though that if it were anything else, scientist would outright dismiss it. So, for me at least, until we get better explanations, this makes the most sense. For you? Well, do your research and decide for yourself. You don't have to convince anyone else anything. It's your beliefs, you form them.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2015-01-16 13:14:25
Cancer, retardation, miscarriages, natural disasters, diabetes, sids if there was a god these alone prove he shouldn't be trusted with anyone's life/afterlife
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By ScaevolaBahamut 2015-01-16 13:15:13
Quote: Because of evil we also so aspects of God that wouldn't be known throughout eternity. If it wasn't for sin we wouldn't know the holiness of God, the righteousness of God and because of the price He paid by giving His Son, we wouldn't fully know the depth of His love either. While their is a God that people say doesn't exist, they also fail to denote a devil who has equal role in the equation.
Epicurus isn't talking about the sinfulness of Man. He's talking about botflies.
Holy ***, botflies.
Quote: Makes perfect sense when contextualized in that manner. People interpret disasters outside of their control as the fury of a supernatural entity out to get them. Just like I get pissed when I can't find my *** keys or the train leaves in my face. This line of thinking only solidifies like wet cement when you add the grief of losing a loved one, friends or one's source of employment.
It's a coping mechanism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ressentiment
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By Odin.Blazeoffury 2015-01-16 13:16:01
You guys are taking away from my game time! Lol, ok I'm ending with this.
The bottom line to all of this is simple. You have to first decide whether or not you believe God exists. You cannot do that based on scientific evidence. If, in actuality, God does not exist, then there is no evidence for God. If, in actuality, God does exist, then everything that exists around you is proof of God. If you believe in God, you see the evidence, if you don't believe, you don't see the evidence.
Therefore, it is simple, whether you believe he exists or not is simply based on your opinion. There is a reason people that believe can use the same evidence to support that existence (i.e. the origin of life) as atheist can use against his existence. In the end, it's your own opinion and you should form it based on your own ability to think. Not someone elses beliefs. Do you research, ask questions, and do what you think is right.
There is a reason this debate can go on forever, it's based on opinions of each individual. Since we are all different, we will all have our own (hopefully). Personally, from a statistical standpoint, it is near a statitistical impossibility that some amino acids job hopped together one day in a setting that we can't even replicate in a lab, and formed proteins, which formed DNA, which was somehow able to acquire the information it needed to start building a cell. Can it happen? Yep. But statistically speaking, there is a greater chance for a dog with a hammer tied to its tail can run around in a pile of boards and build a house.
The second reason, I won't get into, but the big bang makes no sense from a rational perspective, at least in my eyes. Something cannot, has not, and will never, come from nothing. Nothing is nothing, it doesn't create stuff. I don't want to hear this Lawrence Krauss "nothing is actually a low energy state" theory. If that is the case, then it kinda isnt nothing, it's something, it's a low energy state.
There are tons of other statistical impossibilities, from our position in the solar system, to our evolution, to the cosmological constant. In fact, Dr. Francis Collins, the head of the Human Genome Project calculated that if every single event that has occurred from the beginning of the big bang until now was dedicated to doing nothing more than attempting to create life, the number of events that occurred would only be a very small fraction of the probability needed to actually do it. The number is so great, that the zeros needed to make the number, at 11 Point font, would fill up the entire solar system.
As Dr. House once said, numbers don't lie. Could it happen all by chance? Sure. It is so improbable though that if it were anything else, scientist would outright dismiss it. So, for me at least, until we get better explanations, this makes the most sense. For you? Well, do your research and decide for yourself. You don't have to convince anyone else anything. It's your beliefs, you form them. If you show me a painting i don't need to see the painter to know one exist. If you show me a building i don't have to see the builder to know that one exist and for me its the same with creation, creation itself is the absolute proof that somebody did make it.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2015-01-16 13:17:38
Also what about all the people who never even *** heard of god they get a mulligan or just *** from birth?
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2015-01-16 13:18:10
If you show me a painting i don't need to see the painter to know one exist. If you show me a building i don't have to see the builder to know that one exist and for me its the same with creation, creation itself is the absolute proof that somebody did make it.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2015-01-16 13:19:02
Also what about all the people who never even *** heard of god they get a mulligan or just *** from birth?
Well, the Catholic church used to say they're *** from birth, basically. All those unbaptised heathens forever milling around in limbo or w/e. But they've backpeddled, as religion is wont to do as necessary, so apparently now they get a mulligan or w/e.
By ScaevolaBahamut 2015-01-16 13:19:03
If you show me a painting i don't need to see the painter to know one exist. If you show me a building i don't have to see the builder to know that one exist and for me its the same with creation, creation itself is the absolute proof that somebody did make it.
If you see a painting, you know a painter was involved because you already know that:
1) painters exist, and
2) making paintings is what they do.
I'm pretty sure you can figure out why Aquinas couldn't extrapolate this into First Cause.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-16 13:19:24
Because of evil we also so aspects of God that wouldn't be known throughout eternity. If it wasn't for sin we wouldn't know the holiness of God, the righteousness of God and because of the price He paid by giving His Son, we wouldn't fully know the depth of His love either. While their is a God that people say doesn't exist, they also fail to denote a devil who has equal role in the equation. Evil is a point-of-view. Evil only exists for the definition of a battle, where the victors are always "good" and the vanquished are always "evil." If you and I have an argument, one that affected our very way of life, one that would cause strong enough emotions that we would feel the need to end the other's life, we see each other as evil and our own cause is just. The survivor dictates what is really just and what is really evil.
Evil and Just, Good and Bad, Victory and Defeat, those are all the same, and on the same coin.
Doesn't matter. You shouldn't define yourself as what a specific book from a specific religion.
The bible says before the foundation of the earth we were made to praise the glory of His grace. You don't have grace without sin and if our purpose was to praise His grace, it means He foreseen sin. Not only did the ultimate purpose of eternity forsee it, but if we were made to praise His grace, it required evil. Again, a crutch for living. Can't you for once in your life live life on your own without relying on some book written about 2,000 years ago and translated a hundred times define it for you?
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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 13:20:28
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »If you don't believe the Bible to be a divine book, it becomes a historical record into the insight of people long dead with as much moral advice as superstitious nonsense that should be rightfully laughed as sectarian hullabaloo. And you have to sift to get to the wisdom. Or just crib Proverbs which is basically a record of wisdom from civilizations in the region at their respective times.
God comes off as petty, wrathful, abusive, tyrannical, sexist and every other sort of ill human behavior fit for the worst of our lot in the OT and having to read about why slavery at any point in time was sanctioned by God is just insulting. Slavery will exist so long as humans are human but God was chill with this? Ok.
Jesus is the reboot but still faces the same problems in that you're commanded to believe or face stiff consequences. The sects that have written this off or tried to reinvent Jesus' sacrifice for our sin as being an act of pure compassion and that no punishment exists bstill find themselves rooted in the OT story of two peeps in a garden with a fruit God said not to eat that got eaten that becomes the lynchpin of the whole story.
Ok, see, this is what I do have an issue with. People don't believe in God because in the Old Testament he is an *** and who wants to worship an ***, right? But you guys fall into a paradox with this. You don't believe in God because he is an ***, so you reject the book as being Holy, even though, the book you reject as being anymore than fairy tales, is the same book that initially convinced you not to believe in God. This is absolutely illogical and paradoxical. You can't reject a book as being BS writing from a bunch of old people but chose not to believe in God because you don't like the way he is in that same book.
Actually, no.
In my case, doing some inspection of the text was the final straw in my journey with Christianity. Reading the word of God condone slavery was my watershed moment. The blatant hypocrisy in my childhood churches, the boredom of the entire worship exercise, the insufficient answers to questions I've had since youth and the reality that saying you're Christian/Islamic/Jewish doesn't morph you into a 'good' person was enough. Worse, the type of hatred being spewed around never really made sense to me.
Why do we say Jesus is a man of infinite love then pour scorn on others when we're supposed to be more like Jesus?
Why do we hate gay people unconditionally?
Why is it always doom and gloom?
Why does the pastor speak of modesty while living a life of excess?
Why does church feel more like a show than a commitment?
Why does mom keep bringing me here?
Further, I think my interest in video games and the heroic characters portrayed in them that did good for the sake of doing good, without religion, is probably the biggest factor in developing my thinking. That altruism has stuck, despite having to add the complexity of our world to my worldview.
I've learned more about morality doing fetch quests for pixel characters.
Right, I get it. I really do. The God that was portrayed in the Old Testament was an ***. However, I also understand that some ancient farmer wrote those books. Maybe he just made it all up. That wouldn't change whether or not God really exists. Nor would it make him an ***. It's just some farmer talking about stuff he doesn't know.
Christians piss me off. I know where you are coming from. The teach love everyone but hate gays. It's hypocracy at its finest. They teach dont judge but condemn you if you dont live up to their standards. The same goes for all religions. However, it makes no difference to me what they want to spout out of their mouth. Their opinion means nothing when it comes to what God really is and how he really wants us to treat others. I, and this is nothing more than an opinion, believe that Christ was Gods way of setting the record straight. He was tired of those Old Testament guys talking crap about him and had to do something about it. So, the best thing to do would be to send someone that knew him and what he was really like.
I listen and follow what Jesus taught and only what he taught. God is timeless, he doesn't change. If we lived in the world of Vanadiel, our only chance to know about a company called square enix would be someone coming from square to tell us. Christ could potentially be the only window we have to the real nature of God. Screw what some farmer wrote, we have no idea if it came from God or not. I wouldn't base my belief of God on the opinion of any human being, especially a really old one.
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By Odin.Blazeoffury 2015-01-16 13:20:50
Quote: Because of evil we also so aspects of God that wouldn't be known throughout eternity. If it wasn't for sin we wouldn't know the holiness of God, the righteousness of God and because of the price He paid by giving His Son, we wouldn't fully know the depth of His love either. While their is a God that people say doesn't exist, they also fail to denote a devil who has equal role in the equation.
Epicurus isn't talking about the sinfulness of Man. He's talking about botflies.
Holy ***, botflies.
Quote: Makes perfect sense when contextualized in that manner. People interpret disasters outside of their control as the fury of a supernatural entity out to get them. Just like I get pissed when I can't find my *** keys or the train leaves in my face. This line of thinking only solidifies like wet cement when you add the grief of losing a loved one, friends or one's source of employment.
It's a coping mechanism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RessentimentSome people asked Jesus if the 18 men who were crushed by a randomly falling building were worse sinners then others. He responded "no, but unless you repent you shall likewise perish." The point is, everyones gonna die, Good, Bad, or indifferent. It's the eternal death that should be grieved and concerned for.
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By Bahamut.Omael 2015-01-16 13:21:10
As Dr. House once said, numbers don't lie.
Better House quote.
Quote: What percentage of terror attacks in the United States and Europe are committed by Muslims? Guess. Nope. Guess again. And again...
“Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.” How many times have you heard that one? Sure, we heard Fox News’s Brian Kilmeade say it, but to me, that was simply part of the Fox News plan to make their viewers dumber, as we saw again this past weekend when its terrorism “expert” Steve Emerson was caught fabricating the story that Birmingham, England, is closed to non-Muslims. But more alarmingly, even some reasonable people have uttered this statement.
And that comment is often followed up by the question: Why don’t we see Christian, Buddhist, or Jewish terrorists?
Obviously, there are people who sincerely view themselves as Muslims who have committed horrible acts in the name of Islam. We Muslims can make the case that their actions are not based on any part of the faith but on their own political agenda. But they are Muslims, no denying that.
However, and this will probably shock many, so you might want to take a breath: Overwhelmingly, those who have committed terrorist attacks in the United States and Europe aren’t Muslims. Let’s give that a moment to sink in.
Now, it’s not your fault if you aren’t aware of that fact. You can blame the media. (Yes, Sarah Palin and I actually agree on one thing: The mainstream media sucks.)
So here are some statistics for those interested. Let’s start with Europe. Want to guess what percent of the terrorist attacks there were committed by Muslims over the past five years? Wrong. That is, unless you said less than 2 percent.
As Europol, the European Union’s law-enforcement agency, noted in its report released last year, the vast majority of terror attacks in Europe were perpetrated by separatist groups. For example, in 2013, there were 152 terror attacks in Europe. Only two of them were “religiously motivated,” while 84 were predicated upon ethno-nationalist or separatist beliefs.
Or what about the (dare I mention them) Jewish terrorists? Per the 2013 State Department’s report on terrorism, there were 399 acts of terror committed by Israeli settlers.
We are talking about groups like France’s FLNC, which advocates an independent nation for the island of Corsica. In December 2013, FLNC terrorists carried out simultaneous rocket attacks against police stations in two French cities. And in Greece in late 2013, the left-wing Militant Popular Revolutionary Forces shot and killed two members of the right-wing political party Golden Dawn. While over in Italy, the anarchist group FAI engaged in numerous terror attacks including sending a bomb to a journalist. And the list goes on and on.
Have you heard of these incidents? Probably not. But if Muslims had committed them do you think you our media would’ve covered it? No need to answer, that’s a rhetorical question.
Even after one of the worst terror attacks ever in Europe in 2011, when Anders Breivik slaughtered 77 people in Norway to further his anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant, and pro-“Christian Europe” agenda as he stated in his manifesto, how much press did we see in the United States? Yes, it was covered, but not the way we see when a Muslim terrorist is involved. Plus we didn’t see terrorism experts fill the cable news sphere asking how we can stop future Christian terrorists. In fact, even the suggestion that Breivik was a “Christian terrorist” was met with outrage by many, including Fox News’s Bill O’Reilly.
Have you heard about the Buddhist terrorists? Well, extremist Buddhists have killed many Muslim civilians in Burma, and just a few months ago in Sri Lanka, some went on a violent rampage burning down Muslim homes and businesses and slaughtering four Muslims.
Or what about the (dare I mention them) Jewish terrorists? Per the 2013 State Department’s report on terrorism, there were 399 acts of terror committed by Israeli settlers in what are known as “price tag” attacks. These Jewish terrorists attacked Palestinian civilians causing physical injuries to 93 of them and also vandalized scores of mosques and Christian churches.
Back in the United States, the percentage of terror attacks committed by Muslims is almost as miniscule as in Europe. An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims. In actuality, 42 percent of terror attacks were carried out by Latino-related groups, followed by 24 percent perpetrated by extreme left-wing actors.
And as a 2014 study by University of North Carolina found, since the 9/11 attacks, Muslim-linked terrorism has claimed the lives of 37 Americans. In that same time period, more than 190,000 Americans were murdered (PDF).
In fact in 2013, it was actually more likely Americans would be killed by a toddler than a terrorist. In that year, three Americans were killed in the Boston Marathon bombing. How many people did toddlers kill in 2013? Five, all by accidentally shooting a gun.
But our media simply do not cover the non-Muslim terror attacks with same gusto. Why? It’s a business decision. Stories about scary “others” play better. It’s a story that can simply be framed as good versus evil with Americans being the good guy and the brown Muslim as the bad.
Honestly, when is the last time we heard the media refer to those who attack abortion clinics as “Christian terrorists,” even though these attacks occur at one of every five reproductive health-care facilities? That doesn’t sell as well. After all we are a so-called Christian nation, so that would require us to look at the enemy within our country, and that makes many uncomfortable. Or worse, it makes them change the channel.
That’s the same reason we don’t see many stories about how to reduce the 30 Americans killed each day by gun violence or the three women per day killed by domestic violence. But the media will have on expert after expert discussing how can we stop these scary brown Muslims from killing any more Americans despite the fact you actually have a better chance of being killed by a refrigerator falling on you.
Look, this article is not going to change the media’s business model. But what I hope it does is cause some to realize that not all terrorists are Muslims. In fact, they are actually a very small percent of those that are. Now, I’m not saying to ignore the dangers posed by Islamic radicals. I’m just saying look out for those refrigerators.
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