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Are All Terrorists Muslims? It’s Not Even Close
By charlo999 2015-01-18 16:44:05
This is a great source of comparison in regards to how a real shot from an AK would look like.
Trained experts shoot AK47
Notice first the recoil.
Then the damage at a slightly longer distance.
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2015-01-18 17:11:30
despite clashing on several topics, I would actually say in all honestly, Ravael is another person I would have a great time with. Sounds kinky
making Seha jealous
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-01-18 19:51:10
You forgot to mention cause he's a fine citizen of the world. despite clashing on several topics, I would actually say in all honestly, Ravael is another person I would have a great time with.
If there's a party at my place, you guys are totally invited. Awkward dancing guaranteed.
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By Bloodrose 2015-01-18 19:52:42
Not to sound anti-anything, but the only people I've seen dance like that... are people who dance like that.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2015-01-19 00:15:36
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »Charlo likes to stretch things to the extreme, just so he has an argument, or will infer things that were never said, or otherwise implied. Oh okay, so his brain's state matches the way he builds his posts?
I find it pretty funny considering "charlo" in French means "clown".
That's nice to know.
Funny how rose hardly ever gives his opinion on stuff, and like a lot of other posters, spends his time instead making a mockery of others.
So please tell me blood, after watching the vid (brace yourself it's on YouTube) what is your opinion about the official story in relation to it?
Without sitting on the fence behind the fact your no ballistics expert(which you might say) I'm assuming you have common sense and can (dare me say it) think for yourself.
I'm interested. I'm pretty sure I've played enough Counter Strike to tell you that the bullet went in his neck or shoulder, anyway.
I'm GE on CS: GO, is that good enough for you when it comes to ballistic?
By charlo999 2015-01-19 01:38:03
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »Charlo likes to stretch things to the extreme, just so he has an argument, or will infer things that were never said, or otherwise implied. Oh okay, so his brain's state matches the way he builds his posts?
I find it pretty funny considering "charlo" in French means "clown".
That's nice to know.
Funny how rose hardly ever gives his opinion on stuff, and like a lot of other posters, spends his time instead making a mockery of others.
So please tell me blood, after watching the vid (brace yourself it's on YouTube) what is your opinion about the official story in relation to it?
Without sitting on the fence behind the fact your no ballistics expert(which you might say) I'm assuming you have common sense and can (dare me say it) think for yourself.
I'm interested. I'm pretty sure I've played enough Counter Strike to tell you that the bullet went in his neck or shoulder, anyway.
I'm GE on CS: GO, is that good enough for you when it comes to ballistic?
The offical report says hit in the head.
So either these official experts are dumb, when it comes to anatomy or the report is false.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2015-01-19 01:50:12
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »Charlo likes to stretch things to the extreme, just so he has an argument, or will infer things that were never said, or otherwise implied. Oh okay, so his brain's state matches the way he builds his posts?
I find it pretty funny considering "charlo" in French means "clown".
That's nice to know.
Funny how rose hardly ever gives his opinion on stuff, and like a lot of other posters, spends his time instead making a mockery of others.
So please tell me blood, after watching the vid (brace yourself it's on YouTube) what is your opinion about the official story in relation to it?
Without sitting on the fence behind the fact your no ballistics expert(which you might say) I'm assuming you have common sense and can (dare me say it) think for yourself.
I'm interested. I'm pretty sure I've played enough Counter Strike to tell you that the bullet went in his neck or shoulder, anyway.
I'm GE on CS: GO, is that good enough for you when it comes to ballistic?
The offical report says hit in the head.
So either these official experts are dumb, when it comes to anatomy or the report is false. See, you're starting to get it.
Hint: it's false.
Also, the way his head falls to the ground isn't the result of a headshot. However, if it hits the higher part of the neck, their report is true and it would have his head fall this way. But that's what I said in my initial post, anyway.
Any forensic on FFXIAH?
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-01-19 01:56:47
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »Charlo likes to stretch things to the extreme, just so he has an argument, or will infer things that were never said, or otherwise implied. Oh okay, so his brain's state matches the way he builds his posts?
I find it pretty funny considering "charlo" in French means "clown".
That's nice to know.
Funny how rose hardly ever gives his opinion on stuff, and like a lot of other posters, spends his time instead making a mockery of others.
So please tell me blood, after watching the vid (brace yourself it's on YouTube) what is your opinion about the official story in relation to it?
Without sitting on the fence behind the fact your no ballistics expert(which you might say) I'm assuming you have common sense and can (dare me say it) think for yourself.
I'm interested. I'm pretty sure I've played enough Counter Strike to tell you that the bullet went in his neck or shoulder, anyway.
I'm GE on CS: GO, is that good enough for you when it comes to ballistic?
The offical report says hit in the head.
So either these official experts are dumb, when it comes to anatomy or the report is false. See, you're starting to get it.
Hint: it's false.
Also, the way his head falls to the ground isn't the result of a headshot. However, if it hits the higher part of the neck, their report is true and it would have his head fall this way. But that's what I said in my initial post, anyway.
Any forensic on FFXIAH? Has the official forensic report been released or has some official summarized it?
Because those are two very seperate things
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By charlo999 2015-01-19 01:58:39
Head = neck. Got it
At this point I'm starting to wonder if the secret services have people on the books to disrupt and confuse public threads like this.
It came out in the UK recently about a British spy who they had infiltrate a women's activist group and have a relationship with one member.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-01-19 02:03:49
So you have no clue if the report has been released or someone made a mistake in summary and can't be bothered to look for it.
Got it.
FYI: in forensic reports they list specific points of entry, usually with measurements. Just stating head or neck does not accurately describe the wound.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2015-01-19 02:14:31
At this point I'm starting to wonder if the secret services have people on the books to disrupt and confuse public threads like this.
It came out in the UK recently about a British spy who they had infiltrate a women's activist group and have a relationship with one member.
Asking if the official report has been released or if only a summary has absolutely NOTHING to do with what you are describing.
It has been shown via snowden documents that websites have been spoofed (e.g. slashdot.org and techdirt.com) and false trails have been laid. Pretty sure ffxiah.com will not be high up on government lists.
However, again, asking a simple question is not "disrupting or confusing public threads". In fact what you are doing -ranting about reports without bothering to show any reports and basically saying anyone who questions something is a spy- falls under that description rather than what I asked.
By Bloodrose 2015-01-19 02:25:04
I think I pointed out this little trademark argumentative logic path earlier, Kara.
By charlo999 2015-01-19 03:02:14
Well I've talked to by brother on this. He has done multiple tours in the army. Iraq and Afghanistan and has killed. Using automatic rifles.
He said massive damage done at that range head, shoulder or neck would have easily showed blood and visible injury. So take it for what you want.
He agrees it looks fake.
He told me lack of recoil, no visible trauma, no signs of impact from the body and no signs of discharge from the weapon except a small impact on the pavement in front.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-19 07:33:14
So, what did I miss over the weekend?
By Blazed1979 2015-01-19 11:28:16
I had no idea George Galloway was Muslim :O YouTube Video Placeholder
Muslims being murdered across europe as a kneejerk reaction to the Charlie Hebdo terror attack. Would be absolutely pointless to say christianity, secularism or democracy are to blame. Crazy people are crazy.
Slightly old, but great debate. Reza vs Harris YouTube Video Placeholder
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By Blazed1979 2015-01-19 11:43:00
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This is nutz (1984, here we come)
Quote: France Becomes First Country In World To Ban Pro-Palestine Demonstrations
feature News News PoliticsJanuary 14, 2015
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“A threat to public order” is in the forecast for France, as it becomes the globe’s first nation to ban anti-Israel protests
France’s Socialist government provoked outrage today by becoming the first in the world to ban protests against Israeli action in Palestine; in what is viewed as an outrageous attack on democracy. Socialist Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve, says mass demonstrations planned for the weekend should be halted. Minister Cazeneuve stated there was a ‘threat to public order’, while opponents said he was ‘criminalising’ popular support of the Palestinian people. The Minister fears there might be a repeat of the fights between ‘ultra’ Jewish vigilantes and pro-Palestinians which happened after a demonstration last Sunday. Referring to the main Paris march, Mr. Cazeneuve said:
I consider that the conditions are not right to guarantee security.
Minister Cazeneuve welcomed a legal procedure instigated by the Paris police prefecture to ban the march, despite it already being widely advertised. Anyone who turns up to an illegal demonstration now faces up to a year in prison, and a 15,000 euro fine. If they hide their faces to avoid being identified, this sentence can be increased to three years, and a 45,000 fine.
Even those who publish details of an illegal rally on social media face up to a year in prison, and a 15,000 euro fine. This can be increased to seven years and a 100,000 fine if the postings lead to violence. Mr. Cazeneuve also advised other prefects across France to examine planned marches on a ‘case by case’ basis, and to ban ‘if appropriate’. Source
The Alliance between EU & the Arab World Quote: EU seeks anti-terror alliance with Arab world
Move to boost cooperation and information-sharing in the wake of deadly attacks and arrests across Europe.
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Belgium foiled a major attack in the country's east and has since deployed troops in Brussels and Antwerp [Reuters]
The European Union has called for an anti-terror alliance with Arab countries to boost cooperation and information-sharing in the wake of deadly attacks and arrests across Europe.
Federica Mogherini, the EU foreign policy chief, said on Monday: "We need an alliance. We need to strengthen our way of cooperating together."
Mogherini later met with Arab League Secretary General Nabil al-Araby. She also attended a meeting of the EU foreign ministers who are preparing for a summit of EU leaders in February focused on terrorism.
Mogherini also said the EU would appeal a court decision ordering the removal of the Palestinian group Hamas from the EU terrorism blacklist.
Some ministers emphasised the importance of working with Muslim countries, rather than blaming them for the problem.
"They will continue to be in the front line, and we have to work closely with them to protect both those countries and the European Union countries," Philip Hammond, the British foreign secretary, said.
Information-sharing
Belgian Foreign Minister Didier Reynders said the police raids launched in his country last week to break up a suspected network of foreign fighters demonstrate that information-sharing is the key to success.
"We have to exchange information in Europe and outside Europe to really follow what is going on and to prevent any acts that could be launched on our territory," he said.
The move comes a week after the office of satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo in Paris was attacked by gunmen who killed 12 people, including the magazine’s cartoonists. Five more people were killed in attacks on police and a kosher supermarket.
Belgium, which foiled a large-scale attack in the country's east, killing two men who were behind the plot, deployed up to 300 paratroopers over the weekend to guard public buildings.
As the ministers met on Monday, soldiers walked the perimeter of the European Council building, where internal security has also been beefed up in recent days.
Many ministers said no quick solution to the challenge of foreign fighters is likely, and that the real answer is to help end the conflicts in Syria and Iraq.
"That is what long-term will provide stability and security in this region, and to address the root causes of terrorism and radicalisation as well," said Swedish Foreign Minister Margot Wallstroem.
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By Blazed1979 2015-01-19 11:45:50
The Irony (Defend freedom of speech by attacking it)
France goes full retard
Quote: It may sound like an ironic joke, but it isn’t. Less than a week after the massive rallies in defense of “free expression,” following the murders of the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists, French authorities have jailed a youth for irony.
The arrest is part of a harsh crackdown on free speech in the country that has prompted criticism from national and international human rights organizations.
A 16-year-old high school student was taken into police custody on Thursday and indicted for “defending terrorism,” national broadcaster France 3 reports.
His alleged crime? He posted on Facebook a cartoon “representing a person holding the magazine Charlie Hebdo, being hit by bullets, and accompanied by an ‘ironic’ comment,” France 3 states.
The report does not include the drawing – presumably that could put France 3 afoul of the law. So we do not know for sure what the youth is accused of sharing.
charlie-hebdo-le-coran-cest-de-la-merde.jpg
An actual Charlie Hebdo from July 2013 caused outrage for mocking Egyptian protestors killed after the military coup. The text says “The Quran is ***. It doesn’t stop bullets.”
But the cartoon at the top of this page fits the description precisely. It was widely shared on social media, and published on 7 January on the website of the controversial French comedian Dieudonné. It is a mock Charlie Hebdo cover by the cartoonist Dedko.
The text says “Charlie Hebdo is ***. It does not stop bullets.” It appears quite heartless and cruel, but look at the copy of Charlie Hebdo that the person in the cartoon is holding.
It represents a real Charlie Hebdo cover that was published in July 2013, days after the military coup in Egypt. It caused outrage at the time because of its cruelty and insensitivity.
It shows an Egyptian protestor being shot through a copy of the Quran he is holding. The text says, “The Quran is ***, it doesn’t stop bullets.”
Assuming that the mock Charlie Hebdo cover is the one shared by the youth on Facebook, this incident sums up the sheer hypocrisy of France’s current national mood.
Anything mocking and denigrating Islam and Muslims is venerated as courageous free speech, while anything mocking those who engage in such denigration – even using precisely the same techniques – can get you locked up.
Wave of arrests
“A string of at least 69 arrests in France this week on the vague charge of ‘defending terrorism’ (‘l’apologie du terrorisme’) risks violating freedom of expression,” Amnesty International said in an understated press release on Friday.
“All the arrests appear to be on the basis of statements made in the aftermath of the deadly attacks against the magazine Charlie Hebdo, a kosher supermarket and security forces in Paris on 7 and 9 January,” the human rights group added.
“Some of the recently reported cases in France may cross the high threshold of expression that can legitimately be prosecuted,” Amnesty said. “Others, however offensive the statements made, do not.”
As previously reported, the most high profile arrest was of Dieudonné himself – also apparently for an ironic comment.
Many of the arrests are simply absurd, and it is impossible to imagine what purpose they could serve other than to allow the French government to look tough amid an increasingly right-wing and xenophobic political atmosphere, and to satisfy a desire in some sections of the public and media for scapegoats.
They include:
A 14-year-old girl charged with “defending terrorism.” She allegedly shouted at a tram conductor: “We are the Kouachi sisters, we’re going to grab our Kalashnikovs.” Cherif and Said Kouachi are two French brothers authorities say carried out the Charlie Hebdo attack.
A 21-year-old was caught without a ticket on a tram, and subsequently sentenced to ten months in prison for allegedly saying, “The Kouachi brothers is just the beginning; I should have been with them to kill more people,” according to Amnesty International.
In the northern city of Lille, authorities suspended three school workers for allegedly refusing to observe a moment of silence in honor of the victims of the attacks, and then justifying their action. One is being charged with “defending terrorism.” The accused denies that he refused to respect the minute of silence, but said he did “debate it with colleagues outside work hours.”
In Paris, one man who was drunk and another who suffers psychiatric problems were jailed for fourteen and three months respectively for “defending terrorism” for comments they made. A third was jailed for fifteen months and the court ordered that their sentences begin immediately.
In Bordeaux, police carried out a traffic stop. A very drunk 18-year-old passenger in the car allegedly hurled abuse at the police and made comments sympathetic to the Charlie Hebdo attackers. She was charged with “defending terrorism” and sentenced to 210 hours of community service. Prosecutors had asked for a four-month jail term.
In almost every case where a name is provided, those arrested would appear to be of North African ancestry – suggesting that France’s crackdown is quite targeted.
If it is not calculated to further alienate the country’s large, young population of French citizens whose parents or grandparents came from the former colonies, there’s a good chance it will do that anyway.
The cases also suggest a pattern where minor encounters with police – with drunks and youths – quickly escalate into “terrorism”-related accusations. The fact that young people of color have long complained that they are targeted by police means that they are going to be disproportionately more vulnerable.
Double standard
Amnesty says the crackdown followed a circular sent to prosecutors on 12 January by justice minister Christiane Taubira instructing them that “words or wrongdoing, hatred or contempt, uttered or committed against someone because of their religion must be fought and pursued with great vigor.”
Although they might exist, I have yet to see cases of people being charged or jailed for anti-Muslim or other kinds of racist or bigoted comments under the “defending terrorism” law.
After the attacks, prominent journalist Philippe Tesson took to the airwaves of Europe 1, one of France’s biggest radio stations, and declared that Muslims were responsible for threatening the country’s vaunted secularism.
“It’s the Muslims who bring the ***to France these days,” he said.
While a private citizen has reportedly brought a legal complaint against Tesson for “inciting racial hatred,” the authorities have not charged him with a crime.
Cécile Duflot, a Green Party legislator, noticed the discrepancy and urged that “the reaction to the foul Islamophobic words of Philippe Tesson should be much stronger.”
(Update: Le Parisien reports today, Monday, that Paris prosecutors have opened an inquiry into Tesson on suspicion of “inciting hatred”).
“Islamophobic” murder
Monitoring groups have collected reports of at least 83 Islamophobic threats and attacks in France since the Charlie Hebdo attack.
There were at least 21 incidents of shots or grenades being fired at buildings.
Police are investigating if the murder of Mohammed El Makouli, a Moroccan man in the eastern town of Beaucet, was motivated by anti-Muslim hatred.
El-Makouli was stabbed seventeen times by a neighbor who invaded his home, allegedly shouting anti-Muslim slogans. El-Makouli’s wife was injured and his young son escaped the attack.
Draconian law
It may seem surprising that French authorities can charge and jail people so quickly. These summary trials and long custodial terms are the result of a change in the law last November in which the charge of “defending terrorism” became a criminal offense subject to fast-track trials.
Last week France’s Human Rights League said that when the change in the law was being debated, it had “demonstrated that it would be ineffective for security, dangerous for liberties and damaging to the credibility of the justice system.”
The organization said that the slew of summary convictions of “drunks and fools” vindicated its warnings.
Many of these people are now likely to end up on the state’s planned “antiterrorist register.”
Prosecution for song and book
Prosecutions for expression do not take place only under the “defending terrorism” law. This week the rapper Saïdou of the band Z.E.P., and the sociologist Saïd Bouamama will be indicted in Lille for “public insult” and “incitement to discrimination, hate, or violence.”
The prosecution was brought by a right-wing nationalist group, as MR Zine reports, because of Saïd’s book *** France and a Z.E.P. song with the same title.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-01-19 11:47:19
The first one is bs. Dramatic title to make it seem like it's something it's not. He didn't ban pro-Palestine demonstrations forever, he called off one cause the situation is dangerous. That's completely normal, they even call off things as simple as soccer matches when there's animosity between fans.
Calm down. It was just called off for security.
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By Blazed1979 2015-01-19 11:48:03
The first one is bs. Dramatic title to make it seem like it's something it's not. He didn't ban pro-Palestine demonstrations forever, he called off one cause the situation is dangerous. That's completely normal, they even call off things as simple as soccer matches when there's animosity between fans.
Calm down. It was just called off for security.
Has to be taken in context of the arrests that are also happening in parallel.
Edit: But yes, the title is a bit too sensationalist and click bait.
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By Asura.Ccl 2015-01-19 11:54:31
It's not the first time France ban pro-Palestine stuff.
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By Bahamut.Omael 2015-01-19 12:04:53
Conspiracy theory time, is it? I'll show myself out.
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2015-01-19 12:17:34
I had no idea George Galloway was Muslim :O YouTube Video Placeholder Me neither. All I knew was that his wife was Palestinian (I think?) but I don't recall him ever going public about his beliefs.
But anyways, you don't have to be Muslim to attest to the greatness of prophet Muhammad (pbuh), if I weren't and I read his biography, I'd at least respect him (like so many did) for the many qualities he displayed. Lots of wisdom in there.
Great speech video btw, exactly my thoughts on the matter.
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2015-01-19 13:18:27
The Irony (Defend freedom of speech by attacking it)
France goes full retard
Quote: It may sound like an ironic joke, but it isn’t. Less than a week after the massive rallies in defense of “free expression,” following the murders of the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists, French authorities have jailed a youth for irony.
The arrest is part of a harsh crackdown on free speech in the country that has prompted criticism from national and international human rights organizations.
A 16-year-old high school student was taken into police custody on Thursday and indicted for “defending terrorism,” national broadcaster France 3 reports.
His alleged crime? He posted on Facebook a cartoon “representing a person holding the magazine Charlie Hebdo, being hit by bullets, and accompanied by an ‘ironic’ comment,” France 3 states.
The report does not include the drawing – presumably that could put France 3 afoul of the law. So we do not know for sure what the youth is accused of sharing.
charlie-hebdo-le-coran-cest-de-la-merde.jpg
An actual Charlie Hebdo from July 2013 caused outrage for mocking Egyptian protestors killed after the military coup. The text says “The Quran is ***. It doesn’t stop bullets.”
But the cartoon at the top of this page fits the description precisely. It was widely shared on social media, and published on 7 January on the website of the controversial French comedian Dieudonné. It is a mock Charlie Hebdo cover by the cartoonist Dedko.
The text says “Charlie Hebdo is ***. It does not stop bullets.” It appears quite heartless and cruel, but look at the copy of Charlie Hebdo that the person in the cartoon is holding.
It represents a real Charlie Hebdo cover that was published in July 2013, days after the military coup in Egypt. It caused outrage at the time because of its cruelty and insensitivity.
It shows an Egyptian protestor being shot through a copy of the Quran he is holding. The text says, “The Quran is ***, it doesn’t stop bullets.”
Assuming that the mock Charlie Hebdo cover is the one shared by the youth on Facebook, this incident sums up the sheer hypocrisy of France’s current national mood.
Anything mocking and denigrating Islam and Muslims is venerated as courageous free speech, while anything mocking those who engage in such denigration – even using precisely the same techniques – can get you locked up.
Wave of arrests
“A string of at least 69 arrests in France this week on the vague charge of ‘defending terrorism’ (‘l’apologie du terrorisme’) risks violating freedom of expression,” Amnesty International said in an understated press release on Friday.
“All the arrests appear to be on the basis of statements made in the aftermath of the deadly attacks against the magazine Charlie Hebdo, a kosher supermarket and security forces in Paris on 7 and 9 January,” the human rights group added.
“Some of the recently reported cases in France may cross the high threshold of expression that can legitimately be prosecuted,” Amnesty said. “Others, however offensive the statements made, do not.”
As previously reported, the most high profile arrest was of Dieudonné himself – also apparently for an ironic comment.
Many of the arrests are simply absurd, and it is impossible to imagine what purpose they could serve other than to allow the French government to look tough amid an increasingly right-wing and xenophobic political atmosphere, and to satisfy a desire in some sections of the public and media for scapegoats.
They include:
A 14-year-old girl charged with “defending terrorism.” She allegedly shouted at a tram conductor: “We are the Kouachi sisters, we’re going to grab our Kalashnikovs.” Cherif and Said Kouachi are two French brothers authorities say carried out the Charlie Hebdo attack.
A 21-year-old was caught without a ticket on a tram, and subsequently sentenced to ten months in prison for allegedly saying, “The Kouachi brothers is just the beginning; I should have been with them to kill more people,” according to Amnesty International.
In the northern city of Lille, authorities suspended three school workers for allegedly refusing to observe a moment of silence in honor of the victims of the attacks, and then justifying their action. One is being charged with “defending terrorism.” The accused denies that he refused to respect the minute of silence, but said he did “debate it with colleagues outside work hours.”
In Paris, one man who was drunk and another who suffers psychiatric problems were jailed for fourteen and three months respectively for “defending terrorism” for comments they made. A third was jailed for fifteen months and the court ordered that their sentences begin immediately.
In Bordeaux, police carried out a traffic stop. A very drunk 18-year-old passenger in the car allegedly hurled abuse at the police and made comments sympathetic to the Charlie Hebdo attackers. She was charged with “defending terrorism” and sentenced to 210 hours of community service. Prosecutors had asked for a four-month jail term.
In almost every case where a name is provided, those arrested would appear to be of North African ancestry – suggesting that France’s crackdown is quite targeted.
If it is not calculated to further alienate the country’s large, young population of French citizens whose parents or grandparents came from the former colonies, there’s a good chance it will do that anyway.
The cases also suggest a pattern where minor encounters with police – with drunks and youths – quickly escalate into “terrorism”-related accusations. The fact that young people of color have long complained that they are targeted by police means that they are going to be disproportionately more vulnerable.
Double standard
Amnesty says the crackdown followed a circular sent to prosecutors on 12 January by justice minister Christiane Taubira instructing them that “words or wrongdoing, hatred or contempt, uttered or committed against someone because of their religion must be fought and pursued with great vigor.”
Although they might exist, I have yet to see cases of people being charged or jailed for anti-Muslim or other kinds of racist or bigoted comments under the “defending terrorism” law.
After the attacks, prominent journalist Philippe Tesson took to the airwaves of Europe 1, one of France’s biggest radio stations, and declared that Muslims were responsible for threatening the country’s vaunted secularism.
“It’s the Muslims who bring the ***to France these days,” he said.
While a private citizen has reportedly brought a legal complaint against Tesson for “inciting racial hatred,” the authorities have not charged him with a crime.
Cécile Duflot, a Green Party legislator, noticed the discrepancy and urged that “the reaction to the foul Islamophobic words of Philippe Tesson should be much stronger.”
(Update: Le Parisien reports today, Monday, that Paris prosecutors have opened an inquiry into Tesson on suspicion of “inciting hatred”).
“Islamophobic” murder
Monitoring groups have collected reports of at least 83 Islamophobic threats and attacks in France since the Charlie Hebdo attack.
There were at least 21 incidents of shots or grenades being fired at buildings.
Police are investigating if the murder of Mohammed El Makouli, a Moroccan man in the eastern town of Beaucet, was motivated by anti-Muslim hatred.
El-Makouli was stabbed seventeen times by a neighbor who invaded his home, allegedly shouting anti-Muslim slogans. El-Makouli’s wife was injured and his young son escaped the attack.
Draconian law
It may seem surprising that French authorities can charge and jail people so quickly. These summary trials and long custodial terms are the result of a change in the law last November in which the charge of “defending terrorism” became a criminal offense subject to fast-track trials.
Last week France’s Human Rights League said that when the change in the law was being debated, it had “demonstrated that it would be ineffective for security, dangerous for liberties and damaging to the credibility of the justice system.”
The organization said that the slew of summary convictions of “drunks and fools” vindicated its warnings.
Many of these people are now likely to end up on the state’s planned “antiterrorist register.”
Prosecution for song and book
Prosecutions for expression do not take place only under the “defending terrorism” law. This week the rapper Saïdou of the band Z.E.P., and the sociologist Saïd Bouamama will be indicted in Lille for “public insult” and “incitement to discrimination, hate, or violence.”
The prosecution was brought by a right-wing nationalist group, as MR Zine reports, because of Saïd’s book *** France and a Z.E.P. song with the same title.
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By Blazed1979 2015-01-19 13:22:40
Look at the sheeple "conspiracy theory baaa aaaa aaa"
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »lol I got banned wtf. Banned people spread no lies!
By Bloodrose 2015-01-19 15:51:30
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »lol I got banned wtf. Banned people spread no Truth and Justice!
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2015-01-20 20:18:33
Quote: What percentage of terror attacks in the United States and Europe are committed by Muslims? Guess. Nope. Guess again. And again...
“Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.” How many times have you heard that one? Sure, we heard Fox News’s Brian Kilmeade say it, but to me, that was simply part of the Fox News plan to make their viewers dumber, as we saw again this past weekend when its terrorism “expert” Steve Emerson was caught fabricating the story that Birmingham, England, is closed to non-Muslims. But more alarmingly, even some reasonable people have uttered this statement.
And that comment is often followed up by the question: Why don’t we see Christian, Buddhist, or Jewish terrorists?
Obviously, there are people who sincerely view themselves as Muslims who have committed horrible acts in the name of Islam. We Muslims can make the case that their actions are not based on any part of the faith but on their own political agenda. But they are Muslims, no denying that.
However, and this will probably shock many, so you might want to take a breath: Overwhelmingly, those who have committed terrorist attacks in the United States and Europe aren’t Muslims. Let’s give that a moment to sink in.
Now, it’s not your fault if you aren’t aware of that fact. You can blame the media. (Yes, Sarah Palin and I actually agree on one thing: The mainstream media sucks.)
So here are some statistics for those interested. Let’s start with Europe. Want to guess what percent of the terrorist attacks there were committed by Muslims over the past five years? Wrong. That is, unless you said less than 2 percent.
As Europol, the European Union’s law-enforcement agency, noted in its report released last year, the vast majority of terror attacks in Europe were perpetrated by separatist groups. For example, in 2013, there were 152 terror attacks in Europe. Only two of them were “religiously motivated,” while 84 were predicated upon ethno-nationalist or separatist beliefs.
Or what about the (dare I mention them) Jewish terrorists? Per the 2013 State Department’s report on terrorism, there were 399 acts of terror committed by Israeli settlers.
We are talking about groups like France’s FLNC, which advocates an independent nation for the island of Corsica. In December 2013, FLNC terrorists carried out simultaneous rocket attacks against police stations in two French cities. And in Greece in late 2013, the left-wing Militant Popular Revolutionary Forces shot and killed two members of the right-wing political party Golden Dawn. While over in Italy, the anarchist group FAI engaged in numerous terror attacks including sending a bomb to a journalist. And the list goes on and on.
Have you heard of these incidents? Probably not. But if Muslims had committed them do you think you our media would’ve covered it? No need to answer, that’s a rhetorical question.
Even after one of the worst terror attacks ever in Europe in 2011, when Anders Breivik slaughtered 77 people in Norway to further his anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant, and pro-“Christian Europe” agenda as he stated in his manifesto, how much press did we see in the United States? Yes, it was covered, but not the way we see when a Muslim terrorist is involved. Plus we didn’t see terrorism experts fill the cable news sphere asking how we can stop future Christian terrorists. In fact, even the suggestion that Breivik was a “Christian terrorist” was met with outrage by many, including Fox News’s Bill O’Reilly.
Have you heard about the Buddhist terrorists? Well, extremist Buddhists have killed many Muslim civilians in Burma, and just a few months ago in Sri Lanka, some went on a violent rampage burning down Muslim homes and businesses and slaughtering four Muslims.
Or what about the (dare I mention them) Jewish terrorists? Per the 2013 State Department’s report on terrorism, there were 399 acts of terror committed by Israeli settlers in what are known as “price tag” attacks. These Jewish terrorists attacked Palestinian civilians causing physical injuries to 93 of them and also vandalized scores of mosques and Christian churches.
Back in the United States, the percentage of terror attacks committed by Muslims is almost as miniscule as in Europe. An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims. In actuality, 42 percent of terror attacks were carried out by Latino-related groups, followed by 24 percent perpetrated by extreme left-wing actors.
And as a 2014 study by University of North Carolina found, since the 9/11 attacks, Muslim-linked terrorism has claimed the lives of 37 Americans. In that same time period, more than 190,000 Americans were murdered (PDF).
In fact in 2013, it was actually more likely Americans would be killed by a toddler than a terrorist. In that year, three Americans were killed in the Boston Marathon bombing. How many people did toddlers kill in 2013? Five, all by accidentally shooting a gun.
But our media simply do not cover the non-Muslim terror attacks with same gusto. Why? It’s a business decision. Stories about scary “others” play better. It’s a story that can simply be framed as good versus evil with Americans being the good guy and the brown Muslim as the bad.
Honestly, when is the last time we heard the media refer to those who attack abortion clinics as “Christian terrorists,” even though these attacks occur at one of every five reproductive health-care facilities? That doesn’t sell as well. After all we are a so-called Christian nation, so that would require us to look at the enemy within our country, and that makes many uncomfortable. Or worse, it makes them change the channel.
That’s the same reason we don’t see many stories about how to reduce the 30 Americans killed each day by gun violence or the three women per day killed by domestic violence. But the media will have on expert after expert discussing how can we stop these scary brown Muslims from killing any more Americans despite the fact you actually have a better chance of being killed by a refrigerator falling on you.
Look, this article is not going to change the media’s business model. But what I hope it does is cause some to realize that not all terrorists are Muslims. In fact, they are actually a very small percent of those that are. Now, I’m not saying to ignore the dangers posed by Islamic radicals. I’m just saying look out for those refrigerators.
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