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Are All Terrorists Muslims? It’s Not Even Close
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2015-01-18 14:23:37
What I said takes into consideration what the video said, except I actually try to find how he could have been shot rather than straight dismissing it like the video does.
So what I said isn't what you understood.
By Bloodrose 2015-01-18 14:24:36
Charlo likes to stretch things to the extreme, just so he has an argument, or will infer things that were never said, or otherwise implied.
By charlo999 2015-01-18 14:27:59
And still, all he can list is "Fox News", like it has some kind of credibility.
You're confusing Media Outlet, with Media Device.
Youtube is not the same as NBC, CNBC, FOX, or other news and media outlets.
They don't proselytize news.
Make your mind up.
By Bloodrose 2015-01-18 14:30:15
Fox is still a media outlet.
It doesn't change it's lack of credibility, because it is what it is.
Youtube: Media Device.
News/entertainment stations: Media Outlet.
By Bloodrose 2015-01-18 14:31:38
FOX is also more than just "FOX News", Fox is an entertainment company that produces movies, and there is a huge difference in listing Fox News, and FOX as entities.
Again, taking things to the extreme, or inferring things that were never implied.
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By Cecilia Charl 2015-01-18 14:33:30
Fox is still a media outlet.
It doesn't change it's lack of credibility, because it is what it is.
Youtube: Media Device.
News/entertainment stations: Media Outlet.
Take all media with a grain of salt on a news story, every news channel is biased, just because one news group pertains to one's political affiliation, doesn't make them any more credible as a source (See NBC and what they did to the Weather channel.)
By Bloodrose 2015-01-18 14:35:04
Fox is still a media outlet.
It doesn't change it's lack of credibility, because it is what it is.
Youtube: Media Device.
News/entertainment stations: Media Outlet.
Take all media with a grain of salt on a news story, every news channel is biased, just because one news group pertains to one's political affiliation, doesn't make them any more credible as a source (See NBC and what they did to the Weather channel.) Which is why it's equally important to get the news from multiple sources, and then form your own opinion on the information presented.
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By Cecilia Charl 2015-01-18 14:35:37
Fox is still a media outlet.
It doesn't change it's lack of credibility, because it is what it is.
Youtube: Media Device.
News/entertainment stations: Media Outlet.
Take all media with a grain of salt on a news story, every news channel is biased, just because one news group pertains to one's political affiliation, doesn't make them any more credible as a source (See NBC and what they did to the Weather channel.) Which is why it's equally important to get the news from multiple sources, and then form your own opinion on the information presented.
Exactly, get all the facts, compile, trim the fat
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By Blazed1979 2015-01-18 14:44:29
or just watch Al Jazeera.
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By Asura.Ccl 2015-01-18 14:45:54
They say he was shot in the head.
So, bullet impact signs on the ground next to his head. And absolutely no signs of blood anywhere, from a point blank ranged shot with a AK47.
I have no experience with gun, are we really supposed to see blood and such as it claim on the video?
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By Cecilia Charl 2015-01-18 14:50:39
They say he was shot in the head.
So, bullet impact signs on the ground next to his head. And absolutely no signs of blood anywhere, from a point blank ranged shot with a AK47.
I have no experience with gun, are we really supposed to see blood and such as it claim on the video?
Yeah even at point blank, that bullet has enough strength to go straight into the skull and come out the other end, so yes there should be blood.
By Blazed1979 2015-01-18 14:50:45
They say he was shot in the head.
So, bullet impact signs on the ground next to his head. And absolutely no signs of blood anywhere, from a point blank ranged shot with a AK47.
I have no experience with gun, are we really supposed to see blood and such as it claim on the video?
One would think that the bullet entering a human skull and exiting onto the pavement would carry with it AT LEAST some blood.
More likely to carry with it a chunk of some brain.
I watched this video over and over again. It does appear like the jacket flaps slightly. However, I think that is more likely due to the bullet wishing past him so fast and the air pressure from the detonation of the bullet from the gun, as opposed to the bullet passing through his torso.
either way, at the very least, the government and media's official story clearly does not match the video.
At the most, yeah conspiracy..
By the way, If I posted a video of JFK being shot and speculated similarly to the "magic bullet" controversy, would you guys still post "conspiracy theory" mockery?
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By Cecilia Charl 2015-01-18 14:54:08
They say he was shot in the head.
So, bullet impact signs on the ground next to his head. And absolutely no signs of blood anywhere, from a point blank ranged shot with a AK47.
I have no experience with gun, are we really supposed to see blood and such as it claim on the video?
One would think that the bullet entering a human skull and exiting onto the pavement would carry with it AT LEAST some blood.
More likely to carry with it a chunk of some brain.
I watched this video over and over again. It does appear like the jacket flaps slightly. However, I think that is more likely due to the bullet wishing past him so fast and the air pressure from the detonation of the bullet from the gun, as opposed to the bullet passing through his torso.
either way, at the very least, the government and media's official story clearly does not match the video.
At the most, yeah conspiracy..
By the way, If I posted a video of JFK being shot and speculated similarly to the "magic bullet" controversy, would you guys still post "conspiracy theory" mockery?
if it was to show that a bullet passing through the skull caused that kind of spray and thus proving blood, I wouldn't.
By Blazed1979 2015-01-18 14:58:54
Its pretty graphical. But anyone who has seen it knows what a bullet can do to a human's head.
wont post it in case there are any kiddies who read these threads (Would hope they are outside playing or riding their bikes instead of being in these dungeons)
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2015-01-18 14:59:18
Charlo likes to stretch things to the extreme, just so he has an argument, or will infer things that were never said, or otherwise implied. Oh okay, so his brain's state matches the way he builds his posts?
I find it pretty funny considering "charlo" in French means "clown".
By Bloodrose 2015-01-18 15:02:22
Its pretty graphical. But anyone who has seen it knows what a bullet can do to a human's head.
wont post it in case there are any kiddies who read these threads (Would hope they are outside playing or riding their bikes instead of being in these dungeons) Forums: A greater dungeon threat than actual dungeons.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-01-18 15:03:09
I've been farming here for months, still no drops. This dungeon sucks balls!
By Bloodrose 2015-01-18 15:03:25
But... who's balls?
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-01-18 15:07:13
Dunno whoever.
By Blazed1979 2015-01-18 15:16:23
I volunteer mine. suck away
By charlo999 2015-01-18 15:42:05
Cerberus.Senkyuutai said: »Charlo likes to stretch things to the extreme, just so he has an argument, or will infer things that were never said, or otherwise implied. Oh okay, so his brain's state matches the way he builds his posts?
I find it pretty funny considering "charlo" in French means "clown".
That's nice to know.
Funny how rose hardly ever gives his opinion on stuff, and like a lot of other posters, spends his time instead making a mockery of others.
So please tell me blood, after watching the vid (brace yourself it's on YouTube) what is your opinion about the official story in relation to it?
Without sitting on the fence behind the fact your no ballistics expert(which you might say) I'm assuming you have common sense and can (dare me say it) think for yourself.
I'm interested.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2015-01-18 15:45:55
By Bloodrose 2015-01-18 15:48:32
I've given my opinion on many things. To simply assume what i'll say shows you can't think for yourself, and have predicated a mockery of someone's opinion before it is given, while simultaneously asking for one to mock.
The ridiculous, as Plato has put it, deserve to be ridiculed. If for no other reason than to get people to think, or to look at a new way of observing their own stance.
Another thing that I do, especially on hot button issues, is come to a debate informed so far as the information presents. I've altered my way of thinking on some subjects, and of people, simply by the tenacity of which they debate, or subject themselves to being humbled, and give them respect for such where it's due.
I could give you my opinion, but like in other threads, you would simply infer that which wasn't said or otherwise implied, and go to ridiculous lengths to create false arguments, which happen to be your trademark.
By charlo999 2015-01-18 15:55:08
I've simply asked you your opinion on visual factual evidence that has been mostly, for one reason or another, been taken away from a wider public audience.
So what is your opinion on that vid and nothing else?
Btw this is the last thing I said on a discussion regarding you a few pages back
Totally respect your view there rose. Well said.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-01-18 15:56:21
The ridiculous, as Plato has put it, deserve to be ridiculed. If for no other reason than to get people to think, or to look at a new way of observing their own stance
Er, I'm not so sure about that one. I'm no psychologist, but if your goal is to change the way people look at things, ridicule and insults (as fun as they can be sometimes) seem to be very ineffective. Just from my own observations, I'd say more often than not that it entrenches people further.
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By Bloodrose 2015-01-18 16:03:47
I've simply asked you your opinion on visual factual evidence that has been mostly, for one reason or another, been taken away from a wider public audience.
So what is your opinion on that vid and nothing else? My opinion?
It's a video. Without anything else to attribute to it, particularly lacking any knowledge of ballistic impact, aside from what I've seen in slow motion on Deadliest Warrior, the opinion would be that there needs to be a better video and actual context.
What we see isn't necessarily what happens. That being said, what we don't see isn't necessarily doesn't happen either.
In some instances, blood doesn't immediately pool or spray, though given what limited knowledge the average person has (myself included) on such matters, there isn't much of an opinion that can be made on logical grounds.
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By Bloodrose 2015-01-18 16:10:40
The ridiculous, as Plato has put it, deserve to be ridiculed. If for no other reason than to get people to think, or to look at a new way of observing their own stance
Er, I'm not so sure about that one. I'm no psychologist, but if your goal is to change the way people look at things, ridicule and insults (as fun as they can be sometimes) seem to be very ineffective. Just from my own observations, I'd say more often than not that it entrenches people further. There's a right way and a wrong way to ridicule something.
Ridicule isn't necessarily insulting, since it can be as simple as pointing out flaws in an argument - thus ridiculing the ridiculous.
By Bloodrose 2015-01-18 16:28:32
The ridiculous, as Plato has put it, deserve to be ridiculed. If for no other reason than to get people to think, or to look at a new way of observing their own stance
Er, I'm not so sure about that one. I'm no psychologist, but if your goal is to change the way people look at things, ridicule and insults (as fun as they can be sometimes) seem to be very ineffective. Just from my own observations, I'd say more often than not that it entrenches people further. +1'd because I like the way it was argued.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-01-18 16:29:21
You forgot to mention cause he's a fine citizen of the world.
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By Bloodrose 2015-01-18 16:34:36
despite clashing on several topics, I would actually say in all honestly, Ravael is another person I would have a great time with.
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Quote: What percentage of terror attacks in the United States and Europe are committed by Muslims? Guess. Nope. Guess again. And again...
“Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.” How many times have you heard that one? Sure, we heard Fox News’s Brian Kilmeade say it, but to me, that was simply part of the Fox News plan to make their viewers dumber, as we saw again this past weekend when its terrorism “expert” Steve Emerson was caught fabricating the story that Birmingham, England, is closed to non-Muslims. But more alarmingly, even some reasonable people have uttered this statement.
And that comment is often followed up by the question: Why don’t we see Christian, Buddhist, or Jewish terrorists?
Obviously, there are people who sincerely view themselves as Muslims who have committed horrible acts in the name of Islam. We Muslims can make the case that their actions are not based on any part of the faith but on their own political agenda. But they are Muslims, no denying that.
However, and this will probably shock many, so you might want to take a breath: Overwhelmingly, those who have committed terrorist attacks in the United States and Europe aren’t Muslims. Let’s give that a moment to sink in.
Now, it’s not your fault if you aren’t aware of that fact. You can blame the media. (Yes, Sarah Palin and I actually agree on one thing: The mainstream media sucks.)
So here are some statistics for those interested. Let’s start with Europe. Want to guess what percent of the terrorist attacks there were committed by Muslims over the past five years? Wrong. That is, unless you said less than 2 percent.
As Europol, the European Union’s law-enforcement agency, noted in its report released last year, the vast majority of terror attacks in Europe were perpetrated by separatist groups. For example, in 2013, there were 152 terror attacks in Europe. Only two of them were “religiously motivated,” while 84 were predicated upon ethno-nationalist or separatist beliefs.
Or what about the (dare I mention them) Jewish terrorists? Per the 2013 State Department’s report on terrorism, there were 399 acts of terror committed by Israeli settlers.
We are talking about groups like France’s FLNC, which advocates an independent nation for the island of Corsica. In December 2013, FLNC terrorists carried out simultaneous rocket attacks against police stations in two French cities. And in Greece in late 2013, the left-wing Militant Popular Revolutionary Forces shot and killed two members of the right-wing political party Golden Dawn. While over in Italy, the anarchist group FAI engaged in numerous terror attacks including sending a bomb to a journalist. And the list goes on and on.
Have you heard of these incidents? Probably not. But if Muslims had committed them do you think you our media would’ve covered it? No need to answer, that’s a rhetorical question.
Even after one of the worst terror attacks ever in Europe in 2011, when Anders Breivik slaughtered 77 people in Norway to further his anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant, and pro-“Christian Europe” agenda as he stated in his manifesto, how much press did we see in the United States? Yes, it was covered, but not the way we see when a Muslim terrorist is involved. Plus we didn’t see terrorism experts fill the cable news sphere asking how we can stop future Christian terrorists. In fact, even the suggestion that Breivik was a “Christian terrorist” was met with outrage by many, including Fox News’s Bill O’Reilly.
Have you heard about the Buddhist terrorists? Well, extremist Buddhists have killed many Muslim civilians in Burma, and just a few months ago in Sri Lanka, some went on a violent rampage burning down Muslim homes and businesses and slaughtering four Muslims.
Or what about the (dare I mention them) Jewish terrorists? Per the 2013 State Department’s report on terrorism, there were 399 acts of terror committed by Israeli settlers in what are known as “price tag” attacks. These Jewish terrorists attacked Palestinian civilians causing physical injuries to 93 of them and also vandalized scores of mosques and Christian churches.
Back in the United States, the percentage of terror attacks committed by Muslims is almost as miniscule as in Europe. An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims. In actuality, 42 percent of terror attacks were carried out by Latino-related groups, followed by 24 percent perpetrated by extreme left-wing actors.
And as a 2014 study by University of North Carolina found, since the 9/11 attacks, Muslim-linked terrorism has claimed the lives of 37 Americans. In that same time period, more than 190,000 Americans were murdered (PDF).
In fact in 2013, it was actually more likely Americans would be killed by a toddler than a terrorist. In that year, three Americans were killed in the Boston Marathon bombing. How many people did toddlers kill in 2013? Five, all by accidentally shooting a gun.
But our media simply do not cover the non-Muslim terror attacks with same gusto. Why? It’s a business decision. Stories about scary “others” play better. It’s a story that can simply be framed as good versus evil with Americans being the good guy and the brown Muslim as the bad.
Honestly, when is the last time we heard the media refer to those who attack abortion clinics as “Christian terrorists,” even though these attacks occur at one of every five reproductive health-care facilities? That doesn’t sell as well. After all we are a so-called Christian nation, so that would require us to look at the enemy within our country, and that makes many uncomfortable. Or worse, it makes them change the channel.
That’s the same reason we don’t see many stories about how to reduce the 30 Americans killed each day by gun violence or the three women per day killed by domestic violence. But the media will have on expert after expert discussing how can we stop these scary brown Muslims from killing any more Americans despite the fact you actually have a better chance of being killed by a refrigerator falling on you.
Look, this article is not going to change the media’s business model. But what I hope it does is cause some to realize that not all terrorists are Muslims. In fact, they are actually a very small percent of those that are. Now, I’m not saying to ignore the dangers posed by Islamic radicals. I’m just saying look out for those refrigerators.
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