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Are All Terrorists Muslims? It’s Not Even Close
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2015-01-16 17:49:48
I am a big believer in individualism for this reason. When I was young churches would preach that being gay is a sin. A sin, to me, is knowing that something is wrong, yet doing it anyway. If a person is gay, how can they possibly think it is wrong? They are living according to what they think is right, I that is what I think counts.
I, personally, don't think gay is right for me. That doesn't mean that this belief gets to be universally applied to everyone. And... I like bacon. The only issue I have with other peoples morality, is when it starts dictating how I should and shouldn't live.
People that say you are gay, thus you are sinning and going to hell, are just as guilty of sinning as soon as they pass that judgement. Well, not just as guilty, the gay person did nothing wrong so isnt guilty at all. The only one in hot water at that point is the one pointing the finger. :)
I don't understand religious people at all.
Why do you create and force yourself to jump through such hoops just to get yourself to believe something?
Why not just behave like (what I like to call) normal people and just say, "Oh hey, he's gay. That's nice. Now what's on TV". Maybe because people don't think you're the expert on how other people should behave?
That literally has nothing to do with what I said.
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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 17:50:34
I am a big believer in individualism for this reason. When I was young churches would preach that being gay is a sin. A sin, to me, is knowing that something is wrong, yet doing it anyway. If a person is gay, how can they possibly think it is wrong? They are living according to what they think is right, I that is what I think counts.
I, personally, don't think gay is right for me. That doesn't mean that this belief gets to be universally applied to everyone. And... I like bacon. The only issue I have with other peoples morality, is when it starts dictating how I should and shouldn't live.
People that say you are gay, thus you are sinning and going to hell, are just as guilty of sinning as soon as they pass that judgement. Well, not just as guilty, the gay person did nothing wrong so isnt guilty at all. The only one in hot water at that point is the one pointing the finger. :)
I don't understand religious people at all.
Why do you create and force yourself to jump through such hoops just to get yourself to believe something?
Why not just behave like (what I like to call) normal people and just say, "Oh hey, he's gay. That's nice. Now what's on TV".
I haven't jumped through any hoops that I am aware of. I don't believe I get to decide how other people live and what is right and wrong for them, so I don't bother myself with making the attempts. I don't even make it to the "Oh, hey, he's gay. That's nice." part. I don't notice it. I don't care.
@Ravael - Right, which is why my biggest issue is forcing your morality on others. It lets you justify killing someone because they are evil. They fail to understand that if they think it is ok to kill someone because that person doesnt agree with their beliefs, they also have to be ok with getting killed by someone else that disagrees with them.
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2015-01-16 17:51:25
14 pages and no lock ? All the purple bar sensitives must be avoiding this thread like the plague
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2015-01-16 17:51:46
Which is exactly why humans need an objective moral reference, and the best-suited source for that reference should be the omniscience God.
And if that omniscience god appears to you and tells you to murder your son (but he was just kidding). Would you consider murdering your son to be the moral thing to do?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-01-16 17:52:28
I am a big believer in individualism for this reason. When I was young churches would preach that being gay is a sin. A sin, to me, is knowing that something is wrong, yet doing it anyway. If a person is gay, how can they possibly think it is wrong? They are living according to what they think is right, I that is what I think counts.
I, personally, don't think gay is right for me. That doesn't mean that this belief gets to be universally applied to everyone. And... I like bacon. The only issue I have with other peoples morality, is when it starts dictating how I should and shouldn't live.
People that say you are gay, thus you are sinning and going to hell, are just as guilty of sinning as soon as they pass that judgement. Well, not just as guilty, the gay person did nothing wrong so isnt guilty at all. The only one in hot water at that point is the one pointing the finger. :)
I don't understand religious people at all.
Why do you create and force yourself to jump through such hoops just to get yourself to believe something?
Why not just behave like (what I like to call) normal people and just say, "Oh hey, he's gay. That's nice. Now what's on TV". Maybe because people don't think you're the expert on how other people should behave?
That literally has nothing to do with what I said.
You were asking why people don't behave according to your definition of normal. Regardless, I actually agree with you that people should be less focused on what other people are doing. If people focused more on their own behavior than the behavior of others, I think humanity would benefit greatly.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2015-01-16 17:52:58
I haven't jumped through any hoops that I am aware of. I don't believe I get to decide how other people live and what is right and wrong for them, so I don't bother myself with making the attempts. I don't even make it to the "Oh, hey, he's gay. That's nice." part. I don't notice it. I don't care.
You wrote three paragraphs justifying your stance on homosexuality.
You obviously care.
By Bloodrose 2015-01-16 17:54:06
Which is exactly why humans need an objective moral reference, and the best-suited source for that reference should be the omniscience God.
And if that omniscience god appears to you and tells you to murder your son (but he was just kidding). Would you consider murdering your son to be the moral thing to do? It's a test of faith - Many employers actually use this type of thing to test if an employee is just kissing ***, or can stand their ground against a superior and say "NO!"
Apparently, if you did read the bible, God was famous for testing his followers.
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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 17:54:39
I haven't jumped through any hoops that I am aware of. I don't believe I get to decide how other people live and what is right and wrong for them, so I don't bother myself with making the attempts. I don't even make it to the "Oh, hey, he's gay. That's nice." part. I don't notice it. I don't care.
You wrote three paragraphs justifying your stance on homosexuality.
You obviously care.
It was an example to support my position. I could write about bacon instead if you like? Or tea, or alcohol, or drugs, w/e.
By Bloodrose 2015-01-16 17:55:02
write a story about gay bacon!
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2015-01-16 17:55:35
You were asking why people don't behave according to your definition of normal. Regardless, I actually agree with you that people should be less focused on what other people are doing. If people focused more on their own behavior than the behavior of others, I think humanity would benefit greatly.
Correct. Your response implies that I believe I know best and everyone should follow what I believe, hence your remark on how other people don't think I'm the expert on how others should behave.
My actual sentiments was wanting to know why he behaves the way he does.
World of difference between the two.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-01-16 17:55:43
Which is exactly why humans need an objective moral reference, and the best-suited source for that reference should be the omniscience God.
And if that omniscience god appears to you and tells you to murder your son (but he was just kidding). Would you consider murdering your son to be the moral thing to do?
It all depends on how you view it. It seems to me that the whole point of Abraham's trial was to see if he would do the very last thing he would ever want to do. It was a test of sheer obedience.
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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 17:57:01
You were asking why people don't behave according to your definition of normal. Regardless, I actually agree with you that people should be less focused on what other people are doing. If people focused more on their own behavior than the behavior of others, I think humanity would benefit greatly.
Correct. Your response implies that I believe I know best and everyone should follow what I believe, hence your remark on how other people don't think I'm the expert on how others should behave.
My actual sentiments was wanting to know why he behaves the way he does.
World of difference between the two. Its not a behavior anymore than atheism is a belief. It's a lack of behavior. I don't do, think, or say anything.
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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 17:57:22
Which is exactly why humans need an objective moral reference, and the best-suited source for that reference should be the omniscience God.
And if that omniscience god appears to you and tells you to murder your son (but he was just kidding). Would you consider murdering your son to be the moral thing to do?
It all depends on how you view it. It seems to me that the whole point of Abraham's trial was to see if he would do the very last thing he would ever want to do. It was a test of sheer obedience. I would have so failed that test.
By Bloodrose 2015-01-16 17:57:29
Bacon goes well with potatoes.
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2015-01-16 17:58:36
Which is exactly why humans need an objective moral reference, and the best-suited source for that reference should be the omniscience God.
And if that omniscience god appears to you and tells you to murder your son (but he was just kidding). Would you consider murdering your son to be the moral thing to do? Implying:
1- I knew it was God speaking to me
2- I know the truth behind existence, life & death, and the afterlife
Then it's the logical thing to do lol
All that and even then, no kid was sacrificed.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2015-01-16 17:58:57
So, can we call this a potato thread now?
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By Asura.Alexandero 2015-01-16 18:00:38
Yeah, I'm done. My tummy is growling.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2015-01-16 18:01:00
I haven't jumped through any hoops that I am aware of. I don't believe I get to decide how other people live and what is right and wrong for them, so I don't bother myself with making the attempts. I don't even make it to the "Oh, hey, he's gay. That's nice." part. I don't notice it. I don't care.
You wrote three paragraphs justifying your stance on homosexuality.
You obviously care.
It was an example to support my position. I could write about bacon instead if you like? Or tea, or alcohol, or drugs, w/e.
We're obviously not getting through to one another.
On some level, we're on the same page, as in we both don't care about other people's sexuality. The difference is, you need to come up with reasoning and justification so you wouldn't care about these things. It makes it sound like you need to convince yourself that not caring is the correct response to the issue.
Hence the question: why? Why do you need to come up with these reasons to believe what you do?
If you don't want to answer, then fine, it's not something I'll lose sleep over. I'm just puzzled by it, that's all.
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By Odin.Blazeoffury 2015-01-16 18:01:35
write a story about gay bacon! Bacon wrapped hot dogs.
The end.
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By Bloodrose 2015-01-16 18:01:45
Did you know, that with some obscure statistical *** I could make up, but won't, that more people become hungry at the mention of potatoes than the mention of any other food product?
By Bloodrose 2015-01-16 18:03:33
probably the best funny response to that, especially with the picture
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2015-01-16 18:04:31
Implying:
1- I knew it was God speaking to me
2- I know the truth behind existence, life & death, and the afterlife
Then it's the logical thing to do lol
I'd tell that god to piss off, but that's just me.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2015-01-16 18:05:57
Looks like I'm the only one who'd bother to ask why.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2015-01-16 18:22:33
I would have so failed that test. I'd tell that god to piss off, but that's just me. Looks like I'm the only one who'd bother to ask why. I think a vast majority of people would be in line with what you guys are saying, which is what makes it interesting. I'd probably fail too.
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By Blazed1979 2015-01-16 18:34:01
Just got back. Taken 3 sucks.. On a good note, the lumps in my back I thought were tumors turned out to be knots and they have been massaged out. (I've never had knots before)
Since this is now a debate about God, I'll post this video that pretty much sums up Islams understanding on God. Not preaching but if you want to distinguish the fundamental and main difference between Islam and Christianity, its summarised nicely in this vid.
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or, if you don't like hairy greek muslims, you can watch this animation.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2015-01-16 19:17:27
Sometimes I wonder if guys like him would have grown up to become intelligent, rational human beings if he was not indoctrinated into religion at a young age.
By Blazed1979 2015-01-16 19:18:00
Sometimes I wonder if guys like him would have grown up to become intelligent, rational human beings if he was not indoctrinated into religion at a young age. Guys like who?
By Bloodrose 2015-01-16 19:18:45
"Hairy Greek Muslim" sounds like a funny cartoon I'd watch.
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By Bismarck.Ihina 2015-01-16 19:19:01
The guy in the first video.
At least he's probably smarter than the banana guy.
By Blazed1979 2015-01-16 19:22:56
The guy in the first video.
At least he's probably smarter than the banana guy.
He's pretty intelligent. With no formal education, training or experience in debate he has shut down Dawkins and Krause. His academic qualifications and merit are pretty intense though. He's intelligent in every measure there is.
Also, FYI - he's a revert (wasn't born muslim).
Quote: What percentage of terror attacks in the United States and Europe are committed by Muslims? Guess. Nope. Guess again. And again...
“Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.” How many times have you heard that one? Sure, we heard Fox News’s Brian Kilmeade say it, but to me, that was simply part of the Fox News plan to make their viewers dumber, as we saw again this past weekend when its terrorism “expert” Steve Emerson was caught fabricating the story that Birmingham, England, is closed to non-Muslims. But more alarmingly, even some reasonable people have uttered this statement.
And that comment is often followed up by the question: Why don’t we see Christian, Buddhist, or Jewish terrorists?
Obviously, there are people who sincerely view themselves as Muslims who have committed horrible acts in the name of Islam. We Muslims can make the case that their actions are not based on any part of the faith but on their own political agenda. But they are Muslims, no denying that.
However, and this will probably shock many, so you might want to take a breath: Overwhelmingly, those who have committed terrorist attacks in the United States and Europe aren’t Muslims. Let’s give that a moment to sink in.
Now, it’s not your fault if you aren’t aware of that fact. You can blame the media. (Yes, Sarah Palin and I actually agree on one thing: The mainstream media sucks.)
So here are some statistics for those interested. Let’s start with Europe. Want to guess what percent of the terrorist attacks there were committed by Muslims over the past five years? Wrong. That is, unless you said less than 2 percent.
As Europol, the European Union’s law-enforcement agency, noted in its report released last year, the vast majority of terror attacks in Europe were perpetrated by separatist groups. For example, in 2013, there were 152 terror attacks in Europe. Only two of them were “religiously motivated,” while 84 were predicated upon ethno-nationalist or separatist beliefs.
Or what about the (dare I mention them) Jewish terrorists? Per the 2013 State Department’s report on terrorism, there were 399 acts of terror committed by Israeli settlers.
We are talking about groups like France’s FLNC, which advocates an independent nation for the island of Corsica. In December 2013, FLNC terrorists carried out simultaneous rocket attacks against police stations in two French cities. And in Greece in late 2013, the left-wing Militant Popular Revolutionary Forces shot and killed two members of the right-wing political party Golden Dawn. While over in Italy, the anarchist group FAI engaged in numerous terror attacks including sending a bomb to a journalist. And the list goes on and on.
Have you heard of these incidents? Probably not. But if Muslims had committed them do you think you our media would’ve covered it? No need to answer, that’s a rhetorical question.
Even after one of the worst terror attacks ever in Europe in 2011, when Anders Breivik slaughtered 77 people in Norway to further his anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant, and pro-“Christian Europe” agenda as he stated in his manifesto, how much press did we see in the United States? Yes, it was covered, but not the way we see when a Muslim terrorist is involved. Plus we didn’t see terrorism experts fill the cable news sphere asking how we can stop future Christian terrorists. In fact, even the suggestion that Breivik was a “Christian terrorist” was met with outrage by many, including Fox News’s Bill O’Reilly.
Have you heard about the Buddhist terrorists? Well, extremist Buddhists have killed many Muslim civilians in Burma, and just a few months ago in Sri Lanka, some went on a violent rampage burning down Muslim homes and businesses and slaughtering four Muslims.
Or what about the (dare I mention them) Jewish terrorists? Per the 2013 State Department’s report on terrorism, there were 399 acts of terror committed by Israeli settlers in what are known as “price tag” attacks. These Jewish terrorists attacked Palestinian civilians causing physical injuries to 93 of them and also vandalized scores of mosques and Christian churches.
Back in the United States, the percentage of terror attacks committed by Muslims is almost as miniscule as in Europe. An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims. In actuality, 42 percent of terror attacks were carried out by Latino-related groups, followed by 24 percent perpetrated by extreme left-wing actors.
And as a 2014 study by University of North Carolina found, since the 9/11 attacks, Muslim-linked terrorism has claimed the lives of 37 Americans. In that same time period, more than 190,000 Americans were murdered (PDF).
In fact in 2013, it was actually more likely Americans would be killed by a toddler than a terrorist. In that year, three Americans were killed in the Boston Marathon bombing. How many people did toddlers kill in 2013? Five, all by accidentally shooting a gun.
But our media simply do not cover the non-Muslim terror attacks with same gusto. Why? It’s a business decision. Stories about scary “others” play better. It’s a story that can simply be framed as good versus evil with Americans being the good guy and the brown Muslim as the bad.
Honestly, when is the last time we heard the media refer to those who attack abortion clinics as “Christian terrorists,” even though these attacks occur at one of every five reproductive health-care facilities? That doesn’t sell as well. After all we are a so-called Christian nation, so that would require us to look at the enemy within our country, and that makes many uncomfortable. Or worse, it makes them change the channel.
That’s the same reason we don’t see many stories about how to reduce the 30 Americans killed each day by gun violence or the three women per day killed by domestic violence. But the media will have on expert after expert discussing how can we stop these scary brown Muslims from killing any more Americans despite the fact you actually have a better chance of being killed by a refrigerator falling on you.
Look, this article is not going to change the media’s business model. But what I hope it does is cause some to realize that not all terrorists are Muslims. In fact, they are actually a very small percent of those that are. Now, I’m not saying to ignore the dangers posed by Islamic radicals. I’m just saying look out for those refrigerators.
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