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Black vs White: Oppression or Master Plan?
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-12-21 20:32:41
100% of human on human homicides were committed by humans.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-21 20:45:54
There are plenty of crimes that are disproportionately prosecuted, minor drug possession and usage for one, but murder rates are much higher among minority groups. However, it's not a white v. black thing, most murders are committed within the same racial groups, black v black, white v white, etc.
There are a lot of contributing factors, as many people have pointed out, and the disproportionate prosecution of minor crimes along with our HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE drug policies create a lot of young minority men with a record who can't get a normal job. For a lot of them, the only way to eat is crime. Granted, there's plenty of people who commit crimes simply because they grew up in that culture, but I'd wager if we ended the drug war and privatized prisons, within a couple generations, most of these racial disparities would correct themselves.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2014-12-21 20:55:15
And it is those underlying social issues that liberals are too terrified to look at mostly because it is their policies that perpetuate this cycle in our inner cities.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-21 20:58:09
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »And it is those underlying social issues that liberals are too terrified to look at mostly because it is their policies that perpetuate this cycle in our inner cities.
I assume you're talking about entitlement programs? Welfare, project housing, etc? There's plenty of conservative policies that contribute just as much: zero tolerance drugs, 3 strikes, no child left behind, etc. It's a systematic failure of a fairly large minority group, in and out of metropolitan inner cities.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-12-21 21:04:52
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »And it is those underlying social issues that liberals are too terrified to look at mostly because it is their policies that perpetuate this cycle in our inner cities.
I assume you're talking about entitlement programs? Welfare, project housing, etc? There's plenty of conservative policies that contribute just as much: zero tolerance drugs, 3 strikes, no child left behind, etc. It's a systematic failure of a fairly large minority group, in and out of metropolitan inner cities. Sorry, but how does enforcement contribute to crime?
I guess your answer would be, if the laws didn't exist, there wouldn't be any crime.
So, if we abolish murder, nobody would kill each other on purpose in your mind....
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-21 21:16:47
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »And it is those underlying social issues that liberals are too terrified to look at mostly because it is their policies that perpetuate this cycle in our inner cities.
I assume you're talking about entitlement programs? Welfare, project housing, etc? There's plenty of conservative policies that contribute just as much: zero tolerance drugs, 3 strikes, no child left behind, etc. It's a systematic failure of a fairly large minority group, in and out of metropolitan inner cities. Sorry, but how does enforcement contribute to crime?
I guess your answer would be, if the laws didn't exist, there wouldn't be any crime.
So, if we abolish murder, nobody would kill each other on purpose in your mind....
Disproportionate enforcement is the problem. Even sentences are at least 10% longer for minorities for the same crimes.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-12-21 21:25:42
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »And it is those underlying social issues that liberals are too terrified to look at mostly because it is their policies that perpetuate this cycle in our inner cities.
I assume you're talking about entitlement programs? Welfare, project housing, etc? There's plenty of conservative policies that contribute just as much: zero tolerance drugs, 3 strikes, no child left behind, etc. It's a systematic failure of a fairly large minority group, in and out of metropolitan inner cities. Sorry, but how does enforcement contribute to crime?
I guess your answer would be, if the laws didn't exist, there wouldn't be any crime.
So, if we abolish murder, nobody would kill each other on purpose in your mind....
Disproportionate enforcement is the problem. Even sentences are at least 10% longer for minorities for the same crimes. First-time offences vs. first-time offences? Can you prove that, using federal data and not biased reporting?
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-21 21:37:56
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »And it is those underlying social issues that liberals are too terrified to look at mostly because it is their policies that perpetuate this cycle in our inner cities.
I assume you're talking about entitlement programs? Welfare, project housing, etc? There's plenty of conservative policies that contribute just as much: zero tolerance drugs, 3 strikes, no child left behind, etc. It's a systematic failure of a fairly large minority group, in and out of metropolitan inner cities. Sorry, but how does enforcement contribute to crime?
I guess your answer would be, if the laws didn't exist, there wouldn't be any crime.
So, if we abolish murder, nobody would kill each other on purpose in your mind....
Disproportionate enforcement is the problem. Even sentences are at least 10% longer for minorities for the same crimes. First-time offences vs. first-time offences? Can you prove that, using federal data and not biased reporting?
It's widely accepted fact, but I'll be happy to link a bunch of data you can superficially dismiss while yelling "liberals" at the top of your lungs. Do you want me to dig up a bunch of data proving the sky is blue as well? You know, since I've got nothing better to do with my time than spoon feed you basic trivia.
By Altimaomega 2014-12-21 21:43:04
Please don't.. You're so hypocritical it hurts our souls.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-12-21 21:45:09
Ok serious question: Do you guys know what a hypocrite actually is?
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By Altimaomega 2014-12-21 21:46:57
Ok serious question: Do you guys know what a hypocrite actually is?
Prime example.
Runner up.
Honorable mention.
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By Bahamut.Nixak 2014-12-21 21:55:13
Whenever I see or hear these generalized sweeping kinds of statements I imagine Doctor Evil saying it.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2014-12-21 21:55:31
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2014-12-21 22:02:03
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-12-21 22:03:13
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »And it is those underlying social issues that liberals are too terrified to look at mostly because it is their policies that perpetuate this cycle in our inner cities.
I assume you're talking about entitlement programs? Welfare, project housing, etc? There's plenty of conservative policies that contribute just as much: zero tolerance drugs, 3 strikes, no child left behind, etc. It's a systematic failure of a fairly large minority group, in and out of metropolitan inner cities. Sorry, but how does enforcement contribute to crime?
I guess your answer would be, if the laws didn't exist, there wouldn't be any crime.
So, if we abolish murder, nobody would kill each other on purpose in your mind....
Disproportionate enforcement is the problem. Even sentences are at least 10% longer for minorities for the same crimes. First-time offences vs. first-time offences? Can you prove that, using federal data and not biased reporting?
It's widely accepted fact, but I'll be happy to link a bunch of data you can superficially dismiss while yelling "liberals" at the top of your lungs. Do you want me to dig up a bunch of data proving the sky is blue as well? You know, since I've got nothing better to do with my time than spoon feed you basic trivia. AKA you got nothing.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-12-21 22:46:24
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By Bahamut.Kara 2014-12-21 23:14:40
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »They don't like Guiliani because he has been an outspoken critic of Obama over the course of his Presidency. They ignore the excellent job he did in NYC as mayor, specifically in regards to making it a much safer place to live. There were over 4 murders a day in NYC before Guiliani took office. Can you at least pretend to be above party politics for once? Violent crime had been decreasing in NYC for three years prior to Guiliani taking over as Mayor.
Quote: Both statements have elements of truth, but don't tell the full story. Violent crime in New York actually began falling three years before Giuliani became mayor in 1994, and property crime started falling four years before. He didn't "turn it around." Nor was New York unique in its crime trends. Many big cities enjoyed similar decreases in crime throughout the 1990s.
Depending on the type of crime, in fact, other cities had sharper drops than New York. And the major U.S. city with the steepest decline in violent crime? San Francisco, where it fell by 64.5 percent from 1993 to 2001, compared with 55.6 percent in New York.
Meanwhile, independent studies generally have failed to link the tactics of the Giuliani administration with the large decrease in crime rates.
Rather, many criminologists believe the decline in New York, as in Chicago, Miami, San Francisco and elsewhere, was the result of a complex mix of social and demographic changes, including a break in the crack cocaine epidemic, an improving economy, and longer prison terms for career criminals.
By Altimaomega 2014-12-21 23:42:03
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-21 23:44:12
Ok serious question: Do you guys know what a hypocrite actually is?
Quote: 1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.
Nuance aside, I can see why that could mean "someone I disagree with" to someone with such advanced linguistic skills.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-12-21 23:54:12
I have no idea what you're saying. More so than usual.
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By Altimaomega 2014-12-22 00:08:04
Ok serious question: Do you guys know what a hypocrite actually is?
Quote: 1. a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.
2. a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, especially one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements.
Nuance aside, I can see why that could mean "someone I disagree with" to someone with such advanced linguistic skills.
Pretending not to understand what it means to be a hypocrite is awesome.
Quote: hypocrite
noun fraud, deceiver, pretender, charlatan, impostor, pharisee, dissembler, Tartuffe, Pecksniff, Holy Willie, whited sepulchre, phoney or phony
I have no idea what you're saying. More so than usual.
Why am I suppose to care?
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-22 00:20:31
Pretending not to understand what it means to be a hypocrite is awesome.
Quote: hypocrite
noun fraud, deceiver, pretender, charlatan, impostor, pharisee, dissembler, Tartuffe, Pecksniff, Holy Willie, whited sepulchre, phoney or phony
Nobody is pretending not to understand, we understand, you're just wrong.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-12-22 00:27:20
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-12-22 01:59:07
No, the entire point is that there are a few certain people in here who have a tendency to complain about things that other people do, when they themselves do the same things on a regular basis. I'm sure all of us are guilty of that from time to time, but it's such a common occurrence for some that it's baffling.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-12-22 02:18:34
Actually, it's a fallback for when you have nothing else to add.
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By Altimaomega 2014-12-22 03:25:59
Actually, it's a fallback for when you have nothing else to add.
No, this is.
And this..
I have no idea what you're saying. More so than usual.
The hallmarks of a hypocrite. Its okay though we know you can't do any better.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-12-22 03:30:07
I don't offer you legitimate responses because you say nothing worth responding to seriously. Sorry if that wasn't already clear.
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By Altimaomega 2014-12-22 03:39:29
I don't offer you legitimate responses because you say nothing worth responding to seriously. Sorry if that wasn't already clear.
Must of touched a nerve.. You gonna fight me after school now? Seriously, your side of the forum take conversations into grade school territory. That is abundantly clear.
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By Voren 2014-12-22 03:55:05
Altimaomega vs. Pleebo
I want a dirty fight with plenty of hits below the belt.
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By Shiva.Verohawke 2014-12-22 04:37:55
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I saw an artical posted earlier that i thought might be interesting to see some responses to, considering many ppl on these boards. Decided not to post it, but then i saw this articil of Obama complaining in an interview with People Magazine about ppl being racially bias against him; thinking hes a valet while hes standing in front of a restaurant, or asking him to get a someone a cup of coffee at some black tie dinner. So i figured id post it. Its obviously written to make the writers point. But then again, so are most things written these days'
Quote: There’s a terrible double standard in the mainstream media.
One piece at a time, that flaw is being revealed — but sadly, it’s taking tragedies to expose the problem.
A 12 year old boy is at the center of the latest tragedy that is being ignored by the news.
His name was Keith Passmore, and he was recently shot in Georgia.
While names such as Michael Brown and Eric Garner are receiving national attention, almost nobody has heard of Keith Passmore.
The reason is both simple and infuriating: This 12 year old boy’s death doesn’t fit the media’s narrative.
Passmore was sitting in a pickup truck with 20 year old Christopher Martin.
The two were parked outside a house, apparently waiting to pick somebody up.
Suddenly, a man dressed entirely in black clothing banged on the vehicle’s door and told Passmore to “open up.”
The older Martin recognized that they were in a dangerous situation and told the 12 year old not to open the door.
Martin started the truck and tried to drive away — but the would-be carjacker fired a handgun at them.
Christopher Martin was able to speed off. When he yelled to Passmore to see if he was okay, there was no response.
The boy had been hit by one of the bullets and did not survive.
As you might have already guessed based on the above reference to the media’s narrative, Keith Passmore was white and his killer is black.
In an ideal world, the race of the shooter and victim should not matter.
However, the media’s double standard and their obsession with one particular narrative means that we do not live in an ideal world.
“Black Lives Matter” is the slogan that is chanted by protesters and repeated by the media.
There is one important question: Shouldn’t all lives matter?
Something is deeply wrong when Michael Brown is a household name, yet a 12 year old boy is only a footnote because his skin color is too light.
It is a trend. Over the past several months, there has been a media circus over black men in places like Ferguson and New York.
Meanwhile, events that do not fit their narrative are quietly kept out of the news.
In Missouri, a white Bosnian man was violently murdered by a group of black men with hammers — yet it was barely reported.
Shortly after, another group of black thugs in the same location pulled a white woman out of her car and beat her unconscious. The media was strangely silent.
A white teenage girl named Ashley Marie Scott was murdered by a black shooter in Illinois. Her name isn’t in the headlines.
Four black gang members executed white police officer Kevin Quick in Virginia. It’s a safe bet that Al Sharpton won’t be holding a rally in his memory.
When the media promotes a chosen narrative on race and ignores deaths that don’t fit it, the racial division and environment of poisonous resentment only grows.
The double standard is an important problem that needs to end.
If you’re tired of only one side of the story being told, please share this story on Facebook.
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