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Michigan Law-EMT Refuse Treatment To Gay People
By Altimaomega 2014-12-16 19:02:25
You use that word a lot. Not only that I'd love to see you use that line in a gym locker room. Decency has nothing to do with it. I'm sure you know what really keeps you from using it. Sensing some ITG *** coming so I'll just stop you right there before you embarrass us all.
Funnily enough, the gayest locker room behavior I've witnessed is between straight guys. Yes, MOST people will behave themselves. What is your point?
Don't have a point, much like you.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-12-16 19:13:10
Here's the kicker, if people are using a restroom/locker room that I don't think should be there, then I won't use that restroom/locker room period.
There is a simple solution for all of this, if a specific gym makes it a point to put all the women with the men in a changing facility, then I will take my business elsewhere. I'm sure that most everyone else would too, except the perverts out there.
I have already changed gyms because some pervert gay guy was ogling at my ding-dong. I complained to the management and they still allow him on the premises, so I took my business elsewhere. Sucks too because that was one of the gyms my firm was paying for.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-12-16 19:20:38
You think that was testy? I can assure you I got a hearty chuckle out of typing it.
I understand that as a gay man you might find it difficult to understand what happens to the rest of us when we see a good looking girl naked. It's really not that we can't control ourselves, but rather it's pretty uncomfortable to be asked to do so in an environment where everyone's naked. Arousal and attraction aren't voluntary. It's pretty uncomfortable to be put in a place of very little privacy and be exposed to that vulnerability. Yes, please do explain this mysterious phenomenon known as sek-shew-el e-trak-shun, a concept that is as foreign to me as the supple teat of a beautiful maiden.
You know, you just described a common predicament for any gym-going homosexual. Except we understand the idea of self control and are aware of what is and isn't contextually appropriate behavior. Could I shout to the nearest half-naked jock next to me "Hey honey! Come waggle that swinging meatsicle over here, bae!"? Sure, but most *** decent people know that sexual behavior is inappropriate in that setting.
You're not being made to feel uncomfortable. You are making yourself uncomfortable by imagining a scenario where you think you'd be compromised. Guess what? It'll happen, IF it happens, and you won't even be aware. You're making it sound as if the greater population is being inconvenienced when 1) the chances of sharing the facilities with a trans individual are low and 2) the chances of even knowing you're doing it are likely lower.
For someone who insists sexual orientation is NOT a choice, you sure seem to think my personal orientation is entirely voluntary.
A strait man doesn't have to entertain sexual thought in a locker room, that's the change you're proposing in the law. You'd rather see us uncomfortable and just tell us to "get over it" and pat yourself on the back as though you're the enlightened one. It's total horseshit. The law doesn't carve out only room for trans individuals that "no one would even know" it's set up to protect the theoretical tomboy who could at a whim one day decide she's trans and just pop on into the boys locker room.
Again you're dishonest about the intentions.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-12-16 19:21:35
Here's the kicker, if people are using a restroom/locker room that I don't think should be there, then I won't use that restroom/locker room period.
There is a simple solution for all of this, if a specific gym makes it a point to put all the women with the men in a changing facility, then I will take my business elsewhere. I'm sure that most everyone else would too, except the perverts out there.
I have already changed gyms because some pervert gay guy was ogling at my ding-dong. I complained to the management and they still allow him on the premises, so I took my business elsewhere. Sucks too because that was one of the gyms my firm was paying for.
Can't take your business elsewhere when it's the law.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-12-16 19:21:58
Anyway, the focus on bathroom or locker rooms or whatever naked facility we don't know about came from the proponents of the repeal. What was actually removed from law was an ordinance that "prohibits discrimination in employment, housing, real estate transactions, city services, business transactions and public accommodations based on 'race, ethnicity, national origin, age (if 18 years of age or older), gender, gender identity, gender expression, familial status, marital status, socioeconomic background, religion, sexual orientation, disability or veteran status".
If this was just about restroom invasions (lol) then why remove protections from basically every category imaginable?
By Altimaomega 2014-12-16 19:24:08
The left side of the forum seems to have backed themselves into a corner stall. All they got left is insults yet again. Guess everyone's spelling and grammar have been up to par so far.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-12-16 19:24:28
Right. A theoretical tomboy. Does he have a name? You seem to think about him a lot.
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By Altimaomega 2014-12-16 19:29:36
Right. A theoretical tomboy. Does he have a name? You seem to think about him a lot.
Actually, you keep bringing the male gender into this specifically.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-16 19:39:40
Right. A theoretical tomboy. Does he have a name? You seem to think about him a lot.
Actually, you keep bringing the male gender into this specifically.
Considering the vast majority of transgenders are mtf and attracted to men, and the majority of the people discussing it are male, and everyone is so concerned with genitals... Are you really worried about mtf's going into the women's locker room and waving it around? Why not extend the discussion to anyone with a penis who also is attracted to men?
By Altimaomega 2014-12-16 19:58:04
Right. A theoretical tomboy. Does he have a name? You seem to think about him a lot.
Actually, you keep bringing the male gender into this specifically.
Considering the vast majority of transgenders are mtf and attracted to men, and the majority of the people discussing it are male, and everyone is so concerned with genitals... Are you really worried about mtf's going into the women's locker room and waving it around? Why not extend the discussion to anyone with a penis who also is attracted to men?
I don't know. Can you handle extending the discussion past what you are already being hypocritical about? I doubt it, pointing out hypocrites already takes up way to much of my time on this forum.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-12-16 20:00:34
I just can't get over that this is something people worry over. "I might get a *** on the off chance a still feminine trans male trots around in the showers!" or "A masculine trans female might upset the womenfolk as he lumbers his way through the powder room!"
You know what, I actually don't give a ***. Just like I wouldn't give a *** if someone told me they were scared of the Chupacabra. It's contrived. Irrational. A wedge issue designed to mask the increasingly taboo idea that religious beliefs trump the ability for any individual to live in a society free from discrimination. They don't, and it's incredibly clearer now that proponents of these types of laws will end up on the wrong side of history. Again.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-16 20:07:26
Right. A theoretical tomboy. Does he have a name? You seem to think about him a lot.
Actually, you keep bringing the male gender into this specifically.
Considering the vast majority of transgenders are mtf and attracted to men, and the majority of the people discussing it are male, and everyone is so concerned with genitals... Are you really worried about mtf's going into the women's locker room and waving it around? Why not extend the discussion to anyone with a penis who also is attracted to men?
I don't know. Can you handle extending the discussion past what you are already being hypocritical about? I doubt it, pointing out hypocrites already takes up way to much of my time on this forum.
Please, either explain how I'm being hypocritical, or learn what it means.
By Altimaomega 2014-12-16 20:13:03
Right. A theoretical tomboy. Does he have a name? You seem to think about him a lot.
Actually, you keep bringing the male gender into this specifically.
Considering the vast majority of transgenders are mtf and attracted to men, and the majority of the people discussing it are male, and everyone is so concerned with genitals... Are you really worried about mtf's going into the women's locker room and waving it around? Why not extend the discussion to anyone with a penis who also is attracted to men?
I don't know. Can you handle extending the discussion past what you are already being hypocritical about? I doubt it, pointing out hypocrites already takes up way to much of my time on this forum.
Please, either explain how I'm being hypocritical, or learn what it means.
Already did. Page 6 bottom. You know the post you made about me checking out transgendered guys, classy btw.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-16 20:17:53
Right. A theoretical tomboy. Does he have a name? You seem to think about him a lot.
Actually, you keep bringing the male gender into this specifically.
Considering the vast majority of transgenders are mtf and attracted to men, and the majority of the people discussing it are male, and everyone is so concerned with genitals... Are you really worried about mtf's going into the women's locker room and waving it around? Why not extend the discussion to anyone with a penis who also is attracted to men?
I don't know. Can you handle extending the discussion past what you are already being hypocritical about? I doubt it, pointing out hypocrites already takes up way to much of my time on this forum.
Please, either explain how I'm being hypocritical, or learn what it means.
Already did. Page 6 bottom. You know the post you made about me checking out transgendered guys, classy btw. Aside from athletic clubs and high schools, there is essentially zero chance of being in a communal area with nude people. Leave out that athletic clubs are private institutions and can put any rules they want in place, public restrooms are basically the only place where you could encounter a trans person's genitals.
What is hypocritical about this?
Quote: I'd wager you've ogled a trans mtf's butt and not even known it...
Your reading comprehension needs work.
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By Altimaomega 2014-12-16 20:22:19
Right. A theoretical tomboy. Does he have a name? You seem to think about him a lot.
Actually, you keep bringing the male gender into this specifically.
Considering the vast majority of transgenders are mtf and attracted to men, and the majority of the people discussing it are male, and everyone is so concerned with genitals... Are you really worried about mtf's going into the women's locker room and waving it around? Why not extend the discussion to anyone with a penis who also is attracted to men?
I don't know. Can you handle extending the discussion past what you are already being hypocritical about? I doubt it, pointing out hypocrites already takes up way to much of my time on this forum.
Please, either explain how I'm being hypocritical, or learn what it means.
Already did. Page 6 bottom. You know the post you made about me checking out transgendered guys, classy btw. Aside from athletic clubs and high schools, there is essentially zero chance of being in a communal area with nude people. Leave out that athletic clubs are private institutions and can put any rules they want in place, public restrooms are basically the only place where you could encounter a trans person's genitals.
What is hypocritical about this?
Quote: I'd wager you've ogled a trans mtf's butt and not even known it...
Your reading comprehension needs work.
/sigh
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-16 20:27:38
Typical Altima...
By Altimaomega 2014-12-16 20:54:05
Yup typical me, expecting people to not be completely ignorant. Maybe you should practice what you preach and try out those reading comprehension skills.
By Jetackuu 2014-12-16 20:57:27
I just can't get over that this is something people worry over. "I might get a *** on the off chance a still feminine trans male trots around in the showers!" or "A masculine trans female might upset the womenfolk as he lumbers his way through the powder room!"
You know what, I actually don't give a ***. Just like I wouldn't give a *** if someone told me they were scared of the Chupacabra. It's contrived. Irrational. A wedge issue designed to mask the increasingly taboo idea that religious beliefs trump the ability for any individual to live in a society free from discrimination. They don't, and it's incredibly clearer now that proponents of these types of laws will end up on the wrong side of history. Again.
Dude, don't be messing with El Chupacabra, it will eat your goat.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-12-16 21:09:27
It ain't gonna chupa MY cabras. NOT ON MY WATCH
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By Jetackuu 2014-12-16 21:22:06
It ain't gonna chupa MY cabras. NOT ON MY WATCH How about on your clock?
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-12-16 21:48:50
NOT ON MY SPECIFIED TIMEPIECE
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By Jetackuu 2014-12-16 21:55:22
beautiful retort
/tear
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By Fenrir.Ginny 2014-12-16 22:00:42
Considering the vast majority of transgenders are mtf and attracted to men
Actually, this is a pretty outdated statistic. From the time up until the mid-90's when transition was only approved for trans women who followed a very specific narrative (overtly feminine, submissive, attracted to men.).
Since guidelines became less restrictive, and more trans people stopped going stealth, there is about an even split between trans women and trans men, trans men just receive less media representation, which kind of sucks.
In terms of sexual orientation, it's all across the spectrum. Personally, I know more lesbian, and bi identified trans women than straight.
Most people don't really care. It never becomes an issue until reactionaries like Michelle Duggar decided to get their jimmies rustled. And it's always used to narrow a wider issue. As said above, this:
Quote: "prohibits discrimination in employment, housing, real estate transactions, city services, business transactions and public accommodations based on 'race, ethnicity, national origin, age (if 18 years of age or older), gender, gender identity, gender expression, familial status, marital status, socioeconomic background, religion, sexual orientation, disability or veteran status".
They drag this tactic about bathrooms and public accommodations every time an LGBT protections bill comes around (such as ENDA), and try to drive a wedge between LGB and T. It's becoming less and less effective. Just a couple years ago, if you had told me this was up for vote in Fayetteville, I would not have expected it to pass in the first place, or even to have that close of a repeal margin. So, progress is happening.
Honestly, I think locker rooms should have at least a few private changing stalls. There's plenty of people, cis and trans, that have issues changing around others. Bathrooms, there's really no excuse. We live in a time of stalls and even dividers between urinals. The only way you're going to encounter someone's bits is if they're flaunting, or you're looking. And if those are occuring, then that is on the individuals, not on an unrelated minority.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-12-16 23:44:51
to mask the increasingly taboo idea that religious beliefs trump They're not religious beliefs.
Well, some of them might appear in Islamic shari'a, but for all that certain people cleave to the same principles as shari'a, they'll never claim to agree with or believe in it.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-12-17 00:32:29
I just can't get over that this is something people worry over. "I might get a *** on the off chance a still feminine trans male trots around in the showers!" or "A masculine trans female might upset the womenfolk as he lumbers his way through the powder room!"
You know what, I actually don't give a ***. Just like I wouldn't give a *** if someone told me they were scared of the Chupacabra. It's contrived. Irrational. A wedge issue designed to mask the increasingly taboo idea that religious beliefs trump the ability for any individual to live in a society free from discrimination. They don't, and it's incredibly clearer now that proponents of these types of laws will end up on the wrong side of history. Again.
and again, there's the fake outrage.
You're not being discriminated against because society insists you use the men's room when you in fact have a penis.
I, as a 30 something demand to be addressed as an octogenarian. I am entitled to live in a world that doesn't discriminate!!
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-12-17 00:39:16
I just can't get over that this is something people worry over. "I might get a *** on the off chance a still feminine trans male trots around in the showers!" or "A masculine trans female might upset the womenfolk as he lumbers his way through the powder room!"
You know what, I actually don't give a ***. Just like I wouldn't give a *** if someone told me they were scared of the Chupacabra. It's contrived. Irrational. A wedge issue designed to mask the increasingly taboo idea that religious beliefs trump the ability for any individual to live in a society free from discrimination. They don't, and it's incredibly clearer now that proponents of these types of laws will end up on the wrong side of history. Again.
and again, there's the fake outrage.
You're not being discriminated against because society insists you use the men's room when you in fact have a penis.
I, as a 30 something demand to be addressed as an octogenarian. I am entitled to live in a world that doesn't discriminate!! 
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Quote: Michigan House Passed Bill Allowing EMTs To Refuse Treatment To Gay People
December 8, 2014
Over the weekend, Republicans in the Michigan Statehouse passed a “license to discriminate” bill that would give just about anyone the right to refuse service to LGBT people if it conflicted with their religious beliefs.
The broadly written Religious Freedom Restoration Act would allow, for example, an EMT to refuse emergency treatment to a gay person or a pharmacist to refuse to refill HIV medication, because God decreed gays and lesbians should be put to death.
The measure is similar to one in Arizona that even right-wing governor Jan Brewer thought went too far and vetoed.
As The New Civil Rights Movement points out, the act is so broad it would let a Catholic high school refuse to hire a Muslim janitor, and a DMV clerk deny a new driver’s license to someone who is divorced.
Michigan Speaker Bolger fasttracked the bill, which passed 59-50 along party lines. “I support individual liberty and I support religious freedom,” Bolger said. “I have been horrified as some have claimed that a person’s faith should only be practiced while hiding in their home or in their church.”
If it passes in the Michigan Senate and is signed by Governor Rick Snyder, a Republican, the Religious Freedom Restoration Act will become law.
“The idea that we need to ‘restore’ religious freedom — rights that are already enshrined in the U.S. Constitution — is a farce created by conservative lawmakers for the sole purpose of appeasing their far-right donors and the religious right,” said Lonnie Scott of Progress Michigan.
In a supreme bit of irony, the Michigan House over the weekend to pass a non-discrimination bill that protects the LGBT community.
“No one from the LGBT community has ever had fire hoses turned on them by the police department, they have never had to drink out of an LGBT water fountain,” pastor Stacy Swimp told the House committee that considered the measure. “There is no record of LGBT — homosexuals, lesbians—being forced to sit at the back of the bus in an LGBT section.”
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