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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-12-16 10:06:28
If you have male parts, you should use the men's room. Still not a bigot for insisting that we adhere to those rules. I wouldn't want to change in front of women in my gym's locker room, I'm pretty sure women wouldn't want to change in front of me either.
Nah, you are.
The problem with this is, under your logic we would be using the same restrooms and locker rooms. You would still be changing in front of a woman. I'm pre-operative, but I haven't been able to pass as male for over a decade now. So it's gonna be kind of awkward for all of us involved.
As a society, we don't really segregate restrooms by genital configuration. And I don't see that happening unless you want someone sitting outside to fondle your junk just to make sure you aren't sneaking a peek, every time you have to use the restroom.
So, why is it so important to segregate bathrooms by genitals and not gender? You simply don't understand what the word bigot means.
Genitals are sexual. Being a naked woman in front of a naked man has a sexual aspect to is. Being a naked man in front of a naked woman is sexual. It might not be sexual for a woman who identifies as a man to be in front of other men, but for everyone who generally identifies as strait and has a more common gender construct, it is. It's why we insist that people wear underwear, and women wear shirts.
Actually, the argument is "stop creating a problem where none exists". If someone only appears out of place, how would you even know if they're trans? How do you know what's in anyone's pants unless you're looking? People don't go to the bathroom/changing room to flash their bits around (with some notable exceptions). There's no controversy minus the one created by people who need to interject sex into everything to obfuscate their own bigotry.
By default, we all use the bathroom proper for our gender and not our genitals. There aren't random crotch checks to ensure ding-dongs don't mix in with the hoo-haws. Good news! The practical solution is to maintain things the way they are. Again you don't understand the nature of this issue. Recognizing the sexual aspect of genitals isn't some clever way to mask bigotry. I goto the gym frequently, I see ding dongs in the locker room. I assure you I'm not looking out for them, but somehow, someway, I still see them. If they were va-jay-jays I would react differently. What do you think would happen if I just walked into the women's room? I guess I'd be called a pervert by all the hateful bigots in there right? One of us has a fundamental misunderstanding of human nature, it's not me.
Classic Pleebo though. "I don't have a problem with it, and I'm enlightened. So if you do then you're a knuckle dragging idiot."
Genitals are not inherently sexual. A woman being naked in front of a man does not have any more sexual aspect to it than a man being naked in front of a man, and vice versa (man in front of a woman, woman in front of a woman).
There can be sexual aspects to being naked, but just being naked isn't as of itself sexual. So there should be no issue then if all teenage boys can just waltz right into a girls locker room right?
By Jetackuu 2014-12-16 10:13:38
What some people would argue, is that there should be no girls locker room in the first place, but that's a whole 'nother story, and not to mention societies roll in the separation of boys and girls.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-16 10:55:47
If you have male parts, you should use the men's room. Still not a bigot for insisting that we adhere to those rules. I wouldn't want to change in front of women in my gym's locker room, I'm pretty sure women wouldn't want to change in front of me either.
Nah, you are.
The problem with this is, under your logic we would be using the same restrooms and locker rooms. You would still be changing in front of a woman. I'm pre-operative, but I haven't been able to pass as male for over a decade now. So it's gonna be kind of awkward for all of us involved.
As a society, we don't really segregate restrooms by genital configuration. And I don't see that happening unless you want someone sitting outside to fondle your junk just to make sure you aren't sneaking a peek, every time you have to use the restroom.
So, why is it so important to segregate bathrooms by genitals and not gender? You simply don't understand what the word bigot means.
Genitals are sexual. Being a naked woman in front of a naked man has a sexual aspect to is. Being a naked man in front of a naked woman is sexual. It might not be sexual for a woman who identifies as a man to be in front of other men, but for everyone who generally identifies as strait and has a more common gender construct, it is. It's why we insist that people wear underwear, and women wear shirts.
Actually, the argument is "stop creating a problem where none exists". If someone only appears out of place, how would you even know if they're trans? How do you know what's in anyone's pants unless you're looking? People don't go to the bathroom/changing room to flash their bits around (with some notable exceptions). There's no controversy minus the one created by people who need to interject sex into everything to obfuscate their own bigotry.
By default, we all use the bathroom proper for our gender and not our genitals. There aren't random crotch checks to ensure ding-dongs don't mix in with the hoo-haws. Good news! The practical solution is to maintain things the way they are. Again you don't understand the nature of this issue. Recognizing the sexual aspect of genitals isn't some clever way to mask bigotry. I goto the gym frequently, I see ding dongs in the locker room. I assure you I'm not looking out for them, but somehow, someway, I still see them. If they were va-jay-jays I would react differently. What do you think would happen if I just walked into the women's room? I guess I'd be called a pervert by all the hateful bigots in there right? One of us has a fundamental misunderstanding of human nature, it's not me.
Classic Pleebo though. "I don't have a problem with it, and I'm enlightened. So if you do then you're a knuckle dragging idiot."
Genitals are not inherently sexual. A woman being naked in front of a man does not have any more sexual aspect to it than a man being naked in front of a man, and vice versa (man in front of a woman, woman in front of a woman).
There can be sexual aspects to being naked, but just being naked isn't as of itself sexual. So there should be no issue then if all teenage boys can just waltz right into a girls locker room right?
That's a privacy issue, not a sexual one.
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By Jetackuu 2014-12-16 11:12:48
Locker rooms and group changing is a bit screwed up anyway, hell the one school I went at took it a step further and required students to shower, even if it were the last class of the day.
Not even in private stalls, big group shower.
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By Altimaomega 2014-12-16 11:44:28
Locker rooms and group changing is a bit screwed up anyway, hell the one school I went at took it a step further and required students to shower, even if it were the last class of the day.
Not even in private stalls, big group shower.
Boys, girls, and transgender all forced to shower together. No wonder you turned out so wrong.
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By Jetackuu 2014-12-16 11:46:22
Locker rooms and group changing is a bit screwed up anyway, hell the one school I went at took it a step further and required students to shower, even if it were the last class of the day.
Not even in private stalls, big group shower.
Boys, girls, and transgender all forced to shower together. No wonder you turned out so wrong. Yeah, your ability to read and infer are seriously twisted if not outright lacking.
I said no such thing.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-12-16 11:47:17
If you have male parts, you should use the men's room. Still not a bigot for insisting that we adhere to those rules. I wouldn't want to change in front of women in my gym's locker room, I'm pretty sure women wouldn't want to change in front of me either.
Nah, you are.
The problem with this is, under your logic we would be using the same restrooms and locker rooms. You would still be changing in front of a woman. I'm pre-operative, but I haven't been able to pass as male for over a decade now. So it's gonna be kind of awkward for all of us involved.
As a society, we don't really segregate restrooms by genital configuration. And I don't see that happening unless you want someone sitting outside to fondle your junk just to make sure you aren't sneaking a peek, every time you have to use the restroom.
So, why is it so important to segregate bathrooms by genitals and not gender? You simply don't understand what the word bigot means.
Genitals are sexual. Being a naked woman in front of a naked man has a sexual aspect to is. Being a naked man in front of a naked woman is sexual. It might not be sexual for a woman who identifies as a man to be in front of other men, but for everyone who generally identifies as strait and has a more common gender construct, it is. It's why we insist that people wear underwear, and women wear shirts.
Actually, the argument is "stop creating a problem where none exists". If someone only appears out of place, how would you even know if they're trans? How do you know what's in anyone's pants unless you're looking? People don't go to the bathroom/changing room to flash their bits around (with some notable exceptions). There's no controversy minus the one created by people who need to interject sex into everything to obfuscate their own bigotry.
By default, we all use the bathroom proper for our gender and not our genitals. There aren't random crotch checks to ensure ding-dongs don't mix in with the hoo-haws. Good news! The practical solution is to maintain things the way they are. Again you don't understand the nature of this issue. Recognizing the sexual aspect of genitals isn't some clever way to mask bigotry. I goto the gym frequently, I see ding dongs in the locker room. I assure you I'm not looking out for them, but somehow, someway, I still see them. If they were va-jay-jays I would react differently. What do you think would happen if I just walked into the women's room? I guess I'd be called a pervert by all the hateful bigots in there right? One of us has a fundamental misunderstanding of human nature, it's not me.
Classic Pleebo though. "I don't have a problem with it, and I'm enlightened. So if you do then you're a knuckle dragging idiot."
Genitals are not inherently sexual. A woman being naked in front of a man does not have any more sexual aspect to it than a man being naked in front of a man, and vice versa (man in front of a woman, woman in front of a woman).
There can be sexual aspects to being naked, but just being naked isn't as of itself sexual. So there should be no issue then if all teenage boys can just waltz right into a girls locker room right?
That's a privacy issue, not a sexual one.
A privacy issue defined by genitalia, right, nothing sexual here. We don't get privacy from same sex members but we do from opposing sex members, but that has nothing to do with sex.
Is kissing sexual? How about groping? Is a woman's chest covered by a wet t-shirt sexual at all? How about a woman wearing a miniskirt and thigh high boots?
Do you hear yourselves? You just keep hammering something akin to human sexuality has nothing to do with genitals. It's nonsense. I guess some people have a unique take on it because they don't fit in the almost one size fits all mold very comfortably. But just because you're uncomfortable doesn't mean everyone else is.
By Altimaomega 2014-12-16 11:49:04
If you have male parts, you should use the men's room. Still not a bigot for insisting that we adhere to those rules. I wouldn't want to change in front of women in my gym's locker room, I'm pretty sure women wouldn't want to change in front of me either.
Nah, you are.
The problem with this is, under your logic we would be using the same restrooms and locker rooms. You would still be changing in front of a woman. I'm pre-operative, but I haven't been able to pass as male for over a decade now. So it's gonna be kind of awkward for all of us involved.
As a society, we don't really segregate restrooms by genital configuration. And I don't see that happening unless you want someone sitting outside to fondle your junk just to make sure you aren't sneaking a peek, every time you have to use the restroom.
So, why is it so important to segregate bathrooms by genitals and not gender? You simply don't understand what the word bigot means.
Genitals are sexual. Being a naked woman in front of a naked man has a sexual aspect to is. Being a naked man in front of a naked woman is sexual. It might not be sexual for a woman who identifies as a man to be in front of other men, but for everyone who generally identifies as strait and has a more common gender construct, it is. It's why we insist that people wear underwear, and women wear shirts.
Actually, the argument is "stop creating a problem where none exists". If someone only appears out of place, how would you even know if they're trans? How do you know what's in anyone's pants unless you're looking? People don't go to the bathroom/changing room to flash their bits around (with some notable exceptions). There's no controversy minus the one created by people who need to interject sex into everything to obfuscate their own bigotry.
By default, we all use the bathroom proper for our gender and not our genitals. There aren't random crotch checks to ensure ding-dongs don't mix in with the hoo-haws. Good news! The practical solution is to maintain things the way they are. Again you don't understand the nature of this issue. Recognizing the sexual aspect of genitals isn't some clever way to mask bigotry. I goto the gym frequently, I see ding dongs in the locker room. I assure you I'm not looking out for them, but somehow, someway, I still see them. If they were va-jay-jays I would react differently. What do you think would happen if I just walked into the women's room? I guess I'd be called a pervert by all the hateful bigots in there right? One of us has a fundamental misunderstanding of human nature, it's not me.
Classic Pleebo though. "I don't have a problem with it, and I'm enlightened. So if you do then you're a knuckle dragging idiot."
Genitals are not inherently sexual. A woman being naked in front of a man does not have any more sexual aspect to it than a man being naked in front of a man, and vice versa (man in front of a woman, woman in front of a woman).
There can be sexual aspects to being naked, but just being naked isn't as of itself sexual. So there should be no issue then if all teenage boys can just waltz right into a girls locker room right?
What kind of drugs do you people do to make you think like this.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-12-16 11:52:06
Liberalism at it's finest.
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By Altimaomega 2014-12-16 11:52:39
Locker rooms and group changing is a bit screwed up anyway, hell the one school I went at took it a step further and required students to shower, even if it were the last class of the day.
Not even in private stalls, big group shower.
Boys, girls, and transgender all forced to shower together. No wonder you turned out so wrong. Yeah, your ability to read and infer are seriously twisted if not outright lacking.
I said no such thing.
Actually no, I knew exactly what you meant. I just saw the need to do exactly what you do to everyone.
There's more than 2 people on the ballot, not to mention write-ins.
You take things way to literally, dude.
But I could be wrong here. Maybe your ability to read and infer are seriously twisted if not outright lacking, or you're just a troll...
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-16 12:00:53
If you have male parts, you should use the men's room. Still not a bigot for insisting that we adhere to those rules. I wouldn't want to change in front of women in my gym's locker room, I'm pretty sure women wouldn't want to change in front of me either.
Nah, you are.
The problem with this is, under your logic we would be using the same restrooms and locker rooms. You would still be changing in front of a woman. I'm pre-operative, but I haven't been able to pass as male for over a decade now. So it's gonna be kind of awkward for all of us involved.
As a society, we don't really segregate restrooms by genital configuration. And I don't see that happening unless you want someone sitting outside to fondle your junk just to make sure you aren't sneaking a peek, every time you have to use the restroom.
So, why is it so important to segregate bathrooms by genitals and not gender? You simply don't understand what the word bigot means.
Genitals are sexual. Being a naked woman in front of a naked man has a sexual aspect to is. Being a naked man in front of a naked woman is sexual. It might not be sexual for a woman who identifies as a man to be in front of other men, but for everyone who generally identifies as strait and has a more common gender construct, it is. It's why we insist that people wear underwear, and women wear shirts.
Actually, the argument is "stop creating a problem where none exists". If someone only appears out of place, how would you even know if they're trans? How do you know what's in anyone's pants unless you're looking? People don't go to the bathroom/changing room to flash their bits around (with some notable exceptions). There's no controversy minus the one created by people who need to interject sex into everything to obfuscate their own bigotry.
By default, we all use the bathroom proper for our gender and not our genitals. There aren't random crotch checks to ensure ding-dongs don't mix in with the hoo-haws. Good news! The practical solution is to maintain things the way they are. Again you don't understand the nature of this issue. Recognizing the sexual aspect of genitals isn't some clever way to mask bigotry. I goto the gym frequently, I see ding dongs in the locker room. I assure you I'm not looking out for them, but somehow, someway, I still see them. If they were va-jay-jays I would react differently. What do you think would happen if I just walked into the women's room? I guess I'd be called a pervert by all the hateful bigots in there right? One of us has a fundamental misunderstanding of human nature, it's not me.
Classic Pleebo though. "I don't have a problem with it, and I'm enlightened. So if you do then you're a knuckle dragging idiot."
Genitals are not inherently sexual. A woman being naked in front of a man does not have any more sexual aspect to it than a man being naked in front of a man, and vice versa (man in front of a woman, woman in front of a woman).
There can be sexual aspects to being naked, but just being naked isn't as of itself sexual. So there should be no issue then if all teenage boys can just waltz right into a girls locker room right?
What kind of drugs do you people do to make you think like this.
What kind of drugs do you people take to think a restroom has an automatic sexual overtone?
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-12-16 12:03:06
So now it's no longer about trans people being predators but rather your inability to control yourself. Keep your contrived wedge issues straight, GAWD
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-12-16 12:05:15
Lemme tell you. When I think sex, I think a public bathroom.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-12-16 12:06:14
Are you guy charming gents the same types that think its gay for guys to change in the same space? Seeing another penis somehow validates being gay? Seeing your grandmother naked elicit a ***?
Seriously, did you guys ever grow up with siblings? Been to a nudist beach? Ever see anyone else naked?
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By Jetackuu 2014-12-16 12:10:30
But I could be wrong here. Maybe your ability to read and infer are seriously twisted if not outright lacking, or you're just a troll...
You know, I'd go through the trouble of calling you a troll, but you don't even know what the word means, and are outright generally being too stupid on a consistent basis.
But nice persecution complex you have going, it's almost hilarious.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-16 12:15:35
I think it's a commentary on our puritanical views towards sexuality in general. For most people the only time they'd be nude in the same room as another nude person is having sex. It only makes sense they carry that mentality to restrooms/locker rooms.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-12-16 12:19:14
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Lemme tell you. When I think sex, I think a public bathroom. 
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-12-16 12:19:23
'Murica: Where porn is the most highly consumed form of media, shows like Scandal top the charts but *** if you dare flash nipples on public TV or breastfeed your baby.
Ridiculous.
By Altimaomega 2014-12-16 12:23:55
The stink in this thread is worse than a restroom in a boys locker room after football season.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-12-16 12:48:11
I think it's a commentary on our puritanical views towards sexuality in general. For most people the only time they'd be nude in the same room as another nude person is having sex. It only makes sense they carry that mentality to restrooms/locker rooms.
Puritanical?
Covering up is not something isolated to western society. It's present all over the world. Sure there are exceptions to the rule, like nudist colonies, etc, but the connection of genitals to sex isn't anything new or uncommon.
What kind of drugs do you people take to think a restroom has an automatic sexual overtone?
We're not JUST talking about toilets, we're talking about locker rooms too aren't we?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-12-16 12:57:54
So now it's no longer about trans people being predators but rather your inability to control yourself. Keep your contrived wedge issues straight, GAWD
Straw man!
The reason to keep the *** with the *** and the ginnies with the ginnies isn't because people cannot control themselves under a sexual environment, but rather it's less comfortable to do so.
I mean I understand how a member of a protected class might loose the initiative to perhaps accommodate others, but for someone who perpetually insists on being accommodated, you're pretty self absorbed. Maybe think of the rest of us for a change.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-16 13:01:50
I think it's a commentary on our puritanical views towards sexuality in general. For most people the only time they'd be nude in the same room as another nude person is having sex. It only makes sense they carry that mentality to restrooms/locker rooms.
Puritanical?
Covering up is not something isolated to western society. It's present all over the world. Sure there are exceptions to the rule, like nudist colonies, etc, but the connection of genitals to sex isn't anything new or uncommon.
Where else in the world can you show Saving Private Ryan unedited on network television but a film containing inference to a woman receiving oral sex gets an NC-17 rating? Sure, people wear clothes all over the world, but they also don't ***a brick if they see a breast.
We're not JUST talking about toilets, we're talking about locker rooms too aren't we?
Oh silly me, I forgot that you think real locker rooms are just like the ones in porno's... Nobody is getting busy in a locker room, bud, nobody.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-12-16 13:04:33
Again you don't understand the nature of this issue. Recognizing the sexual aspect of genitals isn't some clever way to mask bigotry. I goto the gym frequently, I see ding dongs in the locker room. I assure you I'm not looking out for them, but somehow, someway, I still see them. If they were va-jay-jays I would react differently. What do you think would happen if I just walked into the women's room? I guess I'd be called a pervert by all the hateful bigots in there right? One of us has a fundamental misunderstanding of human nature, it's not me. What does this mean then?
And the only people I've known who equate the restroom to a sexual environment are the ones who enjoy sucking *** like the antidote is inside.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-16 13:07:36
the ones who enjoy sucking *** like the antidote is inside.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-12-16 13:13:18
I mean I understand how a member of a protected class might loose the initiative to perhaps accommodate others, but for someone who perpetually insists on being accommodated, you're pretty self absorbed. Maybe think of the rest of us for a change. Yeah, look at those people walking around the restroom appropriate for their gender like they own the *** place. Why do they get special ordinances that enable them the same semblance of being as any other human?
By Jetackuu 2014-12-16 13:16:45
the ones who enjoy sucking *** like the antidote is inside.
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Bill sure knew how to find them.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-12-16 13:23:22
'Murica: Where you can blow heads off of people on standard TV, gun down scores of people in a standard action romp, fire off a metric ton of swearing, drop racial slurs with all the ferocity of a tiger, have people get physically emotional over firearms, parade models wearing little if anything, put sex scenes in everything but hold the *** phone if you expose a breast. A female orgasm? Might as well be decapitating children.
Such things are not fit for my children's tender eyes.
But yeah, little Timmy is playing SOCOM, Medal of Honor, Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare up in his room. If you listen carefully, you can hear the anguished screams of his online victims over the high pitched swearing coming out of his pre-pubescent mouth.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-12-16 13:27:46
Covering up a nipple is the summary of how ridiculous things are in this country. Ogle at breasts all day but how dare you reveal the actual functional parts?! You mean they serve the purpose of nursing children?! Too much for my tender mind.
Almost as silly as the Japanese censoring their porn.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-12-16 14:20:30
I'm starting to get really confused. What is it exactly that you guys are hoping to achieve? It seems like Jet is promoting locker rooms where gender doesn't matter, but I'm assuming we can just put that in the "stupid idea" file. What is your practical solution that doesn't rely on people just getting over it, because that's never going to happen, especially if you're trying to apply it to schools too?
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-12-16 14:23:06
I'm starting to get really confused. What is it exactly that you guys are hoping to achieve? It seems like Jet is promoting locker rooms where gender doesn't matter, but I'm assuming we can just put that in the "stupid idea" file. What is your practical solution that doesn't rely on people just getting over it, because that's never going to happen, especially if you're trying to apply it to schools too.
I suppose it would be more practical to just add like 8 more locker rooms and sub-genders. Everyone has to just get over the stupid ideas that some people have, you can just get over people not conforming to your idea of gender and sexuality.
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December 8, 2014
Over the weekend, Republicans in the Michigan Statehouse passed a “license to discriminate” bill that would give just about anyone the right to refuse service to LGBT people if it conflicted with their religious beliefs.
The broadly written Religious Freedom Restoration Act would allow, for example, an EMT to refuse emergency treatment to a gay person or a pharmacist to refuse to refill HIV medication, because God decreed gays and lesbians should be put to death.
The measure is similar to one in Arizona that even right-wing governor Jan Brewer thought went too far and vetoed.
As The New Civil Rights Movement points out, the act is so broad it would let a Catholic high school refuse to hire a Muslim janitor, and a DMV clerk deny a new driver’s license to someone who is divorced.
Michigan Speaker Bolger fasttracked the bill, which passed 59-50 along party lines. “I support individual liberty and I support religious freedom,” Bolger said. “I have been horrified as some have claimed that a person’s faith should only be practiced while hiding in their home or in their church.”
If it passes in the Michigan Senate and is signed by Governor Rick Snyder, a Republican, the Religious Freedom Restoration Act will become law.
“The idea that we need to ‘restore’ religious freedom — rights that are already enshrined in the U.S. Constitution — is a farce created by conservative lawmakers for the sole purpose of appeasing their far-right donors and the religious right,” said Lonnie Scott of Progress Michigan.
In a supreme bit of irony, the Michigan House over the weekend to pass a non-discrimination bill that protects the LGBT community.
“No one from the LGBT community has ever had fire hoses turned on them by the police department, they have never had to drink out of an LGBT water fountain,” pastor Stacy Swimp told the House committee that considered the measure. “There is no record of LGBT — homosexuals, lesbians—being forced to sit at the back of the bus in an LGBT section.”
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