Returning To BLU After 3 Year Break

what does animation have to do with anything? all JA have a 2 second delay.

I think you're kind of missing part of this conversation, like usual.

If the blu is well geared and focuses on dd yes it can be up there with non mythic sam and other lower dd jobs like war and drk. However this requires insane gear like a mythic and other hard to get gear. Someone returning to the game isnt going to have that. So the reality is that they will not be able to play blu on the content that they need to in order to gear it where as a spark sam (or support jobs) is still good enough to clear most content and not be too much of a drag.

good blu's are not the norm, just like good drg, war, or any other job that is played by the masses of bads. If you are in the top % on the game and keep up with the times then yes you can be good at any job. except pup, I think we can all agree, no one would take a pup to any event unless its one of those weird pet only linkshells.

That's not true, it doesn't require insane gear or a mythic to be good or compete with non sam DD's, it just requires good gear, like any other job. Probably the biggest hurdle to blu being a competitive DD is the steep learning curve that comes with the odd mechanics of how the job works. Compared to mnk drk war etc., the mechanics of how blu works is quite complicated and confusing, especially for an inexperienced player.

Mythic on BLU blows, a Mythic can be in certain situations a DPS loss...

BLU is actually one of the best jobs suited for using a Mythic, especially with all the blue magic buffs. Please don't toss out a blanket statement without at least knowing about the subject matter. Mythics are a weakness in the same situations for almost every job, but where Mythic is useful BLU makes some of the best use of it out of any of the jobs.

Miscalculated your AM3 timing? Throw a Sinker Drill or refresh a buff. Not a liberty that other jobs have. Not to mention Tizona having one of the most useful mythic added effects.

That said, you don't need a mythic to DD on BLU and match/exceed other DDs. Tizona merely supplements and expands on that lead.

I didn't miss the point, I was comparing delve2 weapon blu with delve2 weapon drg mnk war drk the whole time, blu is on same tier.

I don't really understand what makes BLU DD mechanics so different from other DD, all melee DD has same DD mechanics. In DD only situation BLU only needs physical spell, turtle set, TP and WS set. Unless you're using indi-malaise + magical WS or AOE burn, which is almost never in a normal endgame content pt. In the end the amount of gear sets a BLU needs for DD in a normal endgame content pt with support isn't too different from a SAM(since SAM also needs ranged WS set and such).

If you look at the amount of DD spell/JA a BLU needs to upkeep and maintain, v.s another SAM, SAM probably needs to pay more attention.

BLU's main spell/JA that needs to keep up full time in DD only situations:

CA
Efflux
Berserk
Warcry
Aggressor
Defense down
attack boost
Cocoon/harden shell

Haste if no one else is hasting
Refresh if no Tizona

*Refresh and haste are not necessary since mages can do it.

SAM's JA:
Berserk
Warcry
Aggressor
Hasso
Sengikori
Meditate
Hagakure
Sekkanoki
Konzen-ittai(I think?)

I don't play SAM so I'm not sure if SAM needs to maintain all of them, but it seems that BLU that only DD isn't that much more complicated than a SAM. Saying "BLU can't DD unless you use gear swap/X tool/have mythic/super good at the job" is just utter BS IMO.

The reason why a DD BLUs are rare is because it's not a bandwagon job to begin with, less BLU on the server = less BLU that can DD. It doesn't make the job harder to DD than a SAM. I've pt with 10 times more SAM that doesn't parse high, because I've ever pt with 3 BLU in past 5 months, but I can easily find 30 SAM on the server that parse lower than BLU lol.

Ah so we do kind of agree. I guess we cant really compare anything to sam. These other jobs are ok for the content but they arent the best you could do. Its like, humoring a ls mate who only has those jobs or wont level and gear sam.

An Awesome player is good at any job, sam is just kind of cheating these days period except during abyssea.

You also will likely agree that 90% of blu's have no idea how to get to even level with those jobs. Most people have no idea how to gear or increase their damage. Even with awesome guides like we have on this site.

Or worse, they go around checking people all the time instead of asking questions. I get a laugh when someone checks idle sets then somewhat matched it and never realizes that gear is changed for ws or other things.

Even with SE making the equipsets and trying to make it easier for non-windower users to compete, there is still this idea of, "its my $12.95 and I can play how I have fun."

Let me apologize if XBOX functionality has come so far. From my experience there are way to many derp XBOX only players then. Again if XBOX/PS reaches the same level as GS, my apologies.

However if for one second anyone thinks not utilizing every tool available allows you to perform at the peak, then lol.

Also lmfao smfh if you anyone think Sam is any where near as hard to play as Blu.

Also I'm happy to pay 50% for your currency, even if you have such a high animosity level.

Even in Yorcia, which vastly favors SAM, I come within 3% overall zone parse from good Tsusumaru SAMs, and have parsed 10% higher from poor Tsusumaru SAMs. On every NM except Mandragora and Megaboss, I'm pulling 6-9k CDCs(berserk+nature's med is a hell of a boost), I'm able to self skillchain cdc>cdc with marches ws nearly as fast as the SAM. I think though I win due to stealing their Self skillchain with my Cdc after their fudo though, but my dps is still quite respectable. On the tree, azure lore+thrashing assault can do well over 10k by the way and Sudden Lunge stuns every NM in yorcia except Wopket. On wopket you can whip out clubs and change spell set while buffing, for magic damage and spam 9-11k flash novas or 14k rail cannons. BLU is definitely the second best DD for Yorcia but only if you have excellent sets, augmented DA iuitl+1, rank 15 qaaxo, shetal stone, excellent cdc sets, acc sets, not wasting JA/Spell delay on CA or Sinker Drills. Just playing aggressively as a Sword Mage(no blue magic outside of prebuffs or clutch Winds of Promy or Uproot to remove slow).

No one was saying you can perform at peak without tools, I just disagree with "don't play BLU unless you perform at peak". By your standard, xbox/ps2 player also can't perform at peak on SAM MNK DRK WAR, thus they shouldn't play those jobs.

Im not sure what makes BLU unplayable unless you're absolutely the best, but it's ok to play SAM if you don't have zomg awesome skill/gears. This logic just makes no sense.

The reason is there is no forgiveness with Blu. SAM and mnk a little, can derp and not lose 20%. Blu starts to slip and it will show immediately.

SAM can also derp and lose 20%, unless you're biased toward the job.

Biased toward what? Are you trolling? Sam is seriously more buff3d than any other DD.

Sam has to derp to get noticeable losses. Blu slips even a little and it shows, 0 forgiveness.

If you're not biased why'd you demand other player to be the best to even play BLU, but you don't do the same to MNK DRG WAR DRK?

95% of PUG SAM MNK WAR DRK DRG doesn't parse high on my server(Read: Lower than none mythic BLU without tool), it doesn't matter what job you're playing, if you derp it's still "noticeable losses"

I would actually recommend the same for all DD that are not SAM, mnk has a little bit of breathing room too.

In the sense of being familiar with BLU and sam vs other jobs, then I would be biased. I have never played or looked much into drk, war etc.

I do know that Blu requires performance above your average, which SAM does not. This is just the mechanics of the game. Gear and skill the same an average Sam will have to put in much less effort and thought to parse high compared to Blu.

I do have a 119 Blu and a 119 Sam, I prefer blu because its more fun for me not due to its ability to compete with SAM.

Also to clarify, the reason I say be the best or gtfo on Blu is because the rep of Blu is damaged almost to the point of not being salvageable. Try to bring a blu to a pug, lol. Say 119 Sam ands its NP, this is because of the horrible Blus.

This is the issue, if a sam is not allowed to skillchain properly then yes they do loose some of their strength. Also blu's are using slashing too, so the advantage that sam has in yorcia isnt really that great.

As I said before if you have good gear and know what you are doing then yes anyone and any job (except pup) can be a good DD.

No, f*ck augmented DA on iuitl+1 legs. That trash system is for the birds. I got augury cuisses for DA amd i'll survive just fine....lol

That is certainly not because BLU doesn't use tool nor using none mythic weapons. Try to get into a pt as WAR MNK DRG DRK, it's the same. I haven't seen a PUG /shout for a none SAM DD for ages.

I love the pug rakaznar Skirmish groups that shout for SAMs only and when I ask to come blu they lol me, even though BLU is probably the best job ever, ever for rakaznar with subduction/thermal pulse one shotting fodder, stun locking NMs with lunge, erasing gravity/bind, etc.

So for super fast WS spam (comparable to sams WS speed). You will need:

1. A 5-hit (+WS) build Ive listed on in other thread (Clubs/Relmrazer)
2. A Cor/dnc (Chaos + Sam roll)
3. A Sam friend to parse with for fun (optional)

This will give you a 3-hit + WS build. Realmrazer itself will put you right near 45 tp back and with high % of multiattack, 70%+ of the time you will Realmrazer the DW round after you just WS. If you havent tried it, I suggest this.

As far as time goes:

0.2(352+352) or 2.35secs 70% of the time and 4.7secs 30% of the time.

I'll have to skim the other tbread, but did you ever post extreme/high acc TP and WS sets?

Side note: Don't need Tizona but you do need all the other tools. In regards to other DD I can't comment first Hand, but blu performance is up there with MNK and average Sams, if played at its peak.

Even someone who praises BLU in every opportunity he gets says this:


What else do you expect?

If the community expects a BLU to have all those stuff to even be considered for end game while a SAM with some reforged AF/AF2 and skirmish armor with crappy augments has no problem joining whatever content, you can't really blame people who don't worry too much about improving their BLUs.

When you answer a shout with your DD options and include BLU among others, it gets dismissed right away. You have MNK, you are MNK; you have SAM, you are SAM; you have both, you are SAM. Simple as that. Like you said, all you need is to have a 119 h2h or gkt to be considered potentially functional.

It shouldn't be much different in LSs either, because everyone goes for the mainstream way of doing things, and there is always enough people to fill 2 DD slots which are most likely already reserved for SAM. Whoever has 10 sets of "excellent" gear for their BLUs, more power to them, but don't expect people to struggle and work their *** off for BLU to get all the gears only to solo dumped down content.

My whole post just got deleted and I have to get ready for work, so I'll keep this brief.

Blu is more complicated than other DD jobs because it is not inherently a DD out of the box, and even when made into a DD, it can do this effectively in multiple ways, as well as ineffectively in multiple ways. It gets no native job traits (assimilation doesn't count), and while many traits are standard full-time, there are exceptions for different situations (like clubs or high evasion), and depending on job points you will probably have some points left over after your standard traits are set, and you'll have to make decisions about priority spells for casting or setting additional traits. Your list of needed JA/Spells to full-time DD is woefully inadequate because it doesn't take into account all the spells needed to make traits, and the knowledge needed to do that properly for a situation for optimal performance.

As for gear, there's multiple acc levels of TP sets, multiple levels of DW gear depending on outside buffs, CDC Requiescat Flash Nova Sanguine Blade Realmrazer sets, various offensive spellcasting sets and the need to know which offensive spells are worth casting and when (each spell is effectively another WS with different mods and possibly different damage types), PDT MDT Hybrid, and even acc/magic acc sets for things like Sudden Lunge or Benthic Typhoon and pure magic acc for stuff like Frightful Roar or Absolute Terror, assuming any of those have been set. Being a good DD blu is not necessarily just swing sword and WS until mob dead. Overall, once you know how it all works, it's not that hard, but compare it to something like MNK, or even SAM. Oh you have to have an Apex Arrow set, big deal.

Lulz to Sams with apex, SAM does not need bow or spear at all and they will still be brought to content where they would do better spamming apex. Thats just icing to say oh yeah I can spam apex. (and having a good set for it)


But basic run down of sets for the minimum "Average" Blu.

TP Atk
TP Acc
TP Hybrid
M acc
MAB
Macc/Acc (Sudden Lunge I'm looking at you)
FastC
CDC
Sanguine Blade
Req
Strspell
Dexspell
DT
DTAcc

Various macro pieces

This is how many sets you need to be AVERAGE (not bis not Peak, just mthrfckin AVERAGE)

You can get so crazy with min maxing blu it hurts and you start considering tossing gear for other jobs are making more mules.

When you get into hybrid sets.. you know what never mind, derps will derp and try to play blu in an atk TP set and say hey I got the big spells and this pretty Anahera / Xui so I'm good.

Nazrious, you hurt the image of BLUs every single time you post. Please stop.

You are a derp, if you think Blu works in any other fashion. I know it sucks to actually have to be good in order to be considered good.


Edit: let me quote myself for effect

Idle
IdleDT
TPAttack
TPAccuracy
TPDT
TPAttDT
TPAccDT
CDCAtt
CDCAcc
RequeiAtt
RequiAcc
RealmAtt
RealmAcc
ExpiAtt
ExpiAcc
Sanguine
STR spells
DEX spells
STR/VIT spells
STR/DEX spells
STR/MND spells
Magic spells
Healing
Selfhealing
White Wind
MACC
MACC/ACC stuns

And that's not even the full list of my gear sets. My problem with you is not that you believe BLU needs a lot to be top-tier. My problem is your arrogant and illiterate attitude polluting every single thread concerning BLU ever. Some people talk too much and say too little. You are one of them.

One thing to consider if we are doing the DD vs BLU thing, is that BLU can maintain a significant acc advantage over other DD making some rolls/songs/food not as required as they are for other DD.

Also, I have SAM and MNK and because those are both average to solidly gear and my BLU is exceptional, my BLU will put out more straight damage as well as providing more versatility. I COULD spend just as much time on these jobs and they MIGHT outparse my BLU (more so SAM than MNK), but its not as fun to crush a SAM, mythic WAR, ect on a SAM as it is on BLU. And thats the truth. SAM > SAM (no one cares). BLU > mythic WAR/ Tsu SAM, HQ MNK, people are more interested.