Returning To BLU After 3 Year Break

Every 4 seconds? Link to this, cuz I don't ever recall seeing a capped haste stp set that have 1000 every 4 seconds.

I've found, in my opinion, that any offensive spell or melee skillup is best done via Uragnites outside of Adoulin. With the right trusts you can literally just afk for melee skillups. For blue magic, just make sure you get refresh from Moogle or Bards or something and spam some cheap multi hit like bludgeon. It'll pretty much never die so as long as you have a trust that can poisona you, you should be fine. Also, if your skills are way behind, get a 117 weapon to get enough skill to hit the thing first.

Just to add another option for skilling up, I've taken mules to ceizak or marjami for lair reives. Sitting outside agro range and spamming non damaging spells, worked wonders for dark magic(absorbs), geo coloure spells, and singing/wind/string. I haven't tested which blu spells would be best to skillup. Range, non damaging, and preferably low mp cost would all be considerations.

Speak to Doc he's posted 5 times.

Seriously now.

For skill ups, i just used pollen till 250ish and book burn till the end.

Just catching up to this thread, I'm incredibly hurt by how many underestimate BLU's damage. You have absolutely every right to expect a good BLU to win parses. Yes, they add a lot of utility and support functions, but it's still a damn DD. Bandwagon Tsurus cannot compete with a BLU that actually plays the job correctly. The utterly ridiculous amount of multi-attack and STP available to BLU makes it a superb DD, and this upcoming update will bump them up even higher.

As for anybody attempting to win parses on a BLU being dumb: If you're on a DD and NOT attempting to win parses, that's when idiocy comes into play. Just because it has "mage" in its name does not mean that is how you should play it. I have attempted and succeeded more times than not in leading damage. It can easily be done if you gear like a DD and put the effort into the job. I am not trying to brag about my numbers, I'm only trying to make people realize that BLU is a highly competitive DD and that overlooking SAM occasionally might help people see that.

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You're basically saying BLU is only 33% of SAM before the update, which is completely incorrect and over exaggerating. Go check spreadsheet, BLU should be around 85% of SAM before considering situations that favors BLU, without adding spell dmg(since they won't show on spreadsheet, just melee TP WS). In any situations that favors multiple dmg type, BLU is probably on top.

It's already fairly competitive against other "DD" jobs such as WAR MNK DRK, it doesn't beat SAM but it's not 33% of SAM either.

The point is that currently there are no damn job that can compete with SAM when it comes to dmg. Saying BLU isn't a DD because it doesn't beat SAM is the same as saying MNK DRK WAR isn't a DD.

Lots of dumb in some of these posts.

Blu and Mnk are in the same teir, depending on the fight one or the other will win.

Sam sits at the top right now.
Ryu Drg played well will stomp most average sams, if pet can be kept up.

Depending on this update Blu might very well trounce your average sam.

lots of subjective dumbfuckery up in here

Depending on the way they boost CDC, blu stand to make up a lot of ground this update, but DNC and thf will make up more, vajra thf especially.

BLU is already a proficient DD that is Seriously alot harder to kill than other "Heavy DD".

it doesn't wreck ***like Sam with 4 stpe Skillchains, (So broken) but in terms of RAW DPS and WS power its not far behind SAM.

SAM skillchains really is what pushes it ahead tbh.

Tsumaru, say what?,

This wasn't even an issue before the wtFUDO update, but apparently SAM was always This good according to some you speak to.

For all intents and purposes the true benchmark for a good DD should/is Mnk, If XYZ job can hold its own against Mnk then its a viable DD. Sure SAM melts stuff now but Sam is just an outlier, for now, and it seems SE might be dragging the one handed DD towards SAM, so thats good.

Joy toy Wars... /nostalgic

Honestly MNK post Abyssea was not ever the best DD. People wanted and shouted for MNKs not because they were the best DD but because they were a GOOD DD, that ALSO had extremely high HP and could also could ignore different types of damage barriers with Formless strikes, which allowed them to continuously deal GOOD damage on all things. I have outdamaged numerous amazing MNKs with an Upukirex DRG on neutral mobs such as Raptor/Eft/Pugil/Scorpion etc, however on Tojil/Dakuwaqa/Craklaw/Krabatoa/Mastop, MNK would obviously win because of a clutch Formless.

WAR DRK and DRG could all out damage a MNK in raw damage outside of Hundred Fists, but since many delve NMs had special defenses or shifted weaknesses a WAR/DRK/DRG/SAM would inevitably suck on those mobs, slowing alliance DPS down. On the contrary, MNK could just power through with Formless. Granted BLU could also power through with Requiescat but most BLUs are geared like trash and also BLU has a bad stigma because of playerbase ignorance.

The same for RNG. Never under any circumstance was RNG the best DD except for Bee runs. People take RNG because they don't need constant cures and deal very high, virtually hateless damage; but their damage is still noticably less than melee, although with adjustments to delay, better ammo and more snapshot gear, this is changing too.

Agree, but the hallmark of a top tier DD is how well they can make the mob dead, and BLU (as well as basically everything not SAM) is going to be considered tier 2. Stiil, in raw DPS, NIN/BLU/THF are right up there, hopefully the update puts them on truly even footing.

With the AOE fest that is everything event wise now, sept for some BCNMs, anything that can't survive tons of AOE is basically null. Also blu has many tricks up its sleeve for multi damage types, magic onry, etc.

For clarity, I am not talking about an lolblu, or a lolclubblu using outside of what clubs meant for. People running around in all relic, or dual clubs when not with geo, etc etc. The fact that Blu is the hardest Job to play well and perform in any given role is what gives it a bad name.
Blu is a sexy Job, awesome to play. BUT doing things right requires more than even a good player is able to pull off. So any one thats xbox onry, or refuses to use gearswap should not play blu. Anyone who does not understand that spamming spells reduces damage, should not play blu. Anyone not current on spells, or gear, should not play blu. Anyone who isnt proficient in macros and is willing to have multiple macro palates dedicated to blu, well you get the picture.

Blu is not Sam, you cant just derp and /win thus so many bads giving rise to all this Blu isn't a DD nonsense.

NIN got a major boost to DPS with Daken, they can self skillchain now without any other JAs which is pretty cool. THF can be a good DD with mythic but other than SATA and their solid WS and low delay, they don't really have any other great JAs to boost their own damage. They could use a passive trait that allows them to ignore some defense or gain an attack boost when attacking from a flank or rear because aside from /WAR, they have pretty low attack(though the A+ skill thing helped them a bit). In most games with a Rogue/Thief, those classes get a skill or trait to bypass armor, to make up for their low damage.

!? Why ?

I am not sure if you realized that xbox players can use job sets for setting up gear much like windower using the macro pallets and conquer relevant content. And also the xbox users are also within the rules of not using 3rd party programs like windower and others similar. You may not have realized this but se has done an amazing job improving the quality of life. I know some may say they could of done this in the beginning but read my words. " they was developing content for the time. Now days most the player base has a family of there own and they made improvements for the long term and beginning adventures".

If you can play BLU correctly on Xbox or PS2 or a modified potato, more power to you. It's not that people on consoles or without tools CAN'T play BLU right, it's that they CHOOSE not to. I hear a lot of "meh, I can't use all my gearsets for one job" or "the HQ costs 7m, and it's only 1 more DA". BLU requires everything you have to offer it, and most people aren't willing to dedicate themselves to one job like that.

Animation and built-in delay alone will take, what, 2 seconds? So 1000 TP in 2 seconds?.... if you say so, I guess...

Animations don't add delay, they lock your POS, but animations will happen over each other or entire attack rounds can be omitted from animation, but they will still occur. In capped delay situations, BLU and NIN both can chain nearly endlessly with themselves.

If youre a gearswap onry you should just stop saying ***, because youre *** horrible player.

That was one of the stupidiest thing ive seen. You managed to to be worth a Valli quality seal.

You better go back to your thread asking currency 50% off. Seems smarter that saying what you just said.

You guys are over exaggerating the difficulty to DD on BLU.

BLU DD isn't that much harder nor more 3rd pt tool reliant than other DD jobs, stop spreading all that "if you don't use X you can't play BLU" none sense. An avg geared BLU without tool can still compete with avg none SAM DD such as MNK WAR DRK, as long as you're familiar with NM weakness and having appropriate acc depending on the content....which is required for all DD jobs anyways. It's the solo situation that can make a difference with tools since you need to do a lot more stuff in a shorter time frame. In DD situations it's really not all that different from other DD jobs.

See Jassik it's people like the above who don't understand the game.

Sigh.

I managed to play BLU at probably the highest level possible on XBOX, I would say that all a PC did was make it easier, not better.

I mean seeing recast timers ETC Definately! Helped considerably and that's the only Real bonus i saw from it (and slightly faster gearswaps)

One of those Doc's own posts you referenced takes animation time into account and also see the bolded part:

http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/30626/the-beast-within-a-guide-to-blue-mage/114/#2697116


So you are also saying he doesn't understand the game either.

Edit: I also wonder why it is so easy for some people to call others, who aren't familiar with the world of perfect augments and party setups, stupid >.>

That's not so much the animation as it is a built in JA-type delay- but semantics aside, you are correct.