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Star Wars: The Force Awakens
By Ramyrez 2016-01-08 13:14:47
Personally I'm just enjoying the plethora of fan theories at this point about everything and comparing them to my own.
My personal favorites right now concern Rey parentage and the specifics of Kylo Ren's motivations.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-01-08 13:15:35
wipe out the EU so they can tell new stories. There were absolutely nothing wrong with the EU (mostly).
I don't know if you read any of the novels, but most of them are pretty good.
I still think the movie was good. And my only real complaint (other than the removal of the EU, but that's besides the point) was the rehashing/unoriginal story & plots.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-01-08 13:17:27
We do not speak of such things....
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By Siren.Kuz 2016-01-08 13:20:38
My personal favorites right now concern Rey parentage and the specifics of Kylo Ren's motivations.
Episode 8 Spoiler...
Which I don't agree with, because Rey doesn't LOOK Druish...
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By Bismarck.Misao 2016-01-08 13:37:36
nothing bad in making references or showing objects locations or stuff from the previous movies, it kinda gives ground for new stuff and sense of progression and continuity.
like the death-star comparison to the death-planet, it gives a sense of volume instead of
"oh they made a weapon of a big planet"
"how big?"
"planet big"
it is also a high tech universe, so it makes sense they have previously seen weapons/ units / bases/ vehicles in their database.
-also; exposition for the viewer.
my only... issue with the series is. the Empire got busy building a new base (to have it blow up after so many years) during the 20-ish years between the laast movie.
what did the Rebels do, in this time?
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2016-01-08 13:53:34
My personal favorites right now concern Rey parentage and the specifics of Kylo Ren's motivations. Putting money on Luke being the doting dad.
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By Ramyrez 2016-01-08 15:06:23
My personal favorites right now concern Rey parentage and the specifics of Kylo Ren's motivations. Putting money on Luke being the doting dad. Personally I feel that's sort of a given and imo is to be assumed until proven otherwise and makes the closing scene actually quite poignant and bittersweet. The interesting theory that I saw someone else propose, however, and the reason we her Obi-Wan's voice instead of Luke's or Anakin's in Rey's vision is the idea that somewhere out there Ben had a daughter and she's Rey's mother, so Rey has it in both bloodines. Yes, there's the idea that Obi-Wan was part of the old order and would have remained celibate, but at the same time, he was among the few last living trained Jedi and there was really no one particular to whom he was keeping an oath at that point. It's not entirely likely, but it's my favorite scenario thus far.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2016-01-08 15:39:01
My personal favorites right now concern Rey parentage and the specifics of Kylo Ren's motivations. Putting money on Luke being the doting dad. Personally I feel that's sort of a given and imo is to be assumed until proven otherwise and makes the closing scene actually quite poignant and bittersweet. The interesting theory that I saw someone else propose, however, and the reason we her Obi-Wan's voice instead of Luke's or Anakin's in Rey's vision is the idea that somewhere out there Ben had a daughter and she's Rey's mother, so Rey has it in both bloodines. Yes, there's the idea that Obi-Wan was part of the old order and would have remained celibate, but at the same time, he was among the few last living trained Jedi and there was really no one particular to whom he was keeping an oath at that point. It's not entirely likely, but it's my favorite scenario thus far. I definitely think it was a gimme.
We sequestered ourselves from reading anything related to 'The Force Awakens' before we saw it, so we enjoy it as is. After seeing it, it was no holds barred. I made the mistake of reading the "Mary Sue" angle after you mentioned it in here, completely unaware of what that was. After a recuperating from my eyes rolling so far back in my skull multiple times the only thought that passed was, "There's an obvious explanation given the familial legacy."
That's a pretty intriguing theory.
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By Pantafernando 2016-01-08 15:41:45
I saw Force Awakens yesterday, and I was positively surprised how this movie kept me entertained its entire duration. Its a good movie even though it was a big challenge to restart an entire new arc for a serie that in theory was concluded, though there were some rehashed scenes (almost like a mixture of chapter 4 and 5).
Anyway, just thought that this movie was a bit rushed in the end. It could very well go for a 3h movie and work better in the end, or simply split the lasts scenes for the chapter 8.
IMO, I thought some scenes were not very coherent, like Finn suddenly dropping everything to go after Rey. I mean, his character was designed to be a coward one, it doesnt suit well how in some moments he just doesnt hesitate to take a courageous act. Rey too, I didnt get her very well as she in the end was just interested in giving BB8 to anyone to go back to Jakku, then suddenly she becomes interested in taking BB8 to Resistance, then after being spouted by Han Solo she comes back again with Jakku stuff then in the end, she just go after Luke with no real explanation. I was expecting she could finally go back to Jakku as she wants that so bad...
Finally, Ren actual face is ugly, seems like a weird adolescent. He himself hsa some interesting traits but I cant see him as more than a dumb adolescent.
Now, IMO, the worst part of this is to wait another year for the continuation. The character were well designed, I liked them, so it sucks it will take so long till I can see them again.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2016-01-08 15:52:27
Not that it matters, but seeing Kylo Ren just reminded me of his character in 'This Is Where I Leave You'.
Weird casting choice.
/shrug
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2016-01-08 16:50:01
Not that it matters, but seeing Kylo Ren just reminded me of his character in 'This Is Where I Leave You'.
Weird casting choice.
/shrug
Yea, I couldn't stop thinking "it's Hannah's Boyfriend" everytime he was without his mask.
Also, the story arc seemed to be right out of the books that were published in the early 90's.
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By Pwolf Drkgawd 2016-01-08 17:45:42
Idk why but he kinda reminds me of justin long in that picture....
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By Bismarck.Misao 2016-01-08 17:54:06
talking bout parents in Starwars...
By Altimaomega 2016-01-08 18:44:43
My personal favorites right now concern Rey parentage and the specifics of Kylo Ren's motivations. Putting money on Luke being the doting dad. Personally I feel that's sort of a given and imo is to be assumed until proven otherwise and makes the closing scene actually quite poignant and bittersweet. The interesting theory that I saw someone else propose, however, and the reason we her Obi-Wan's voice instead of Luke's or Anakin's in Rey's vision is the idea that somewhere out there Ben had a daughter and she's Rey's mother, so Rey has it in both bloodines. Yes, there's the idea that Obi-Wan was part of the old order and would have remained celibate, but at the same time, he was among the few last living trained Jedi and there was really no one particular to whom he was keeping an oath at that point. It's not entirely likely, but it's my favorite scenario thus far. It's also the only scenario that wouldn't piss off most of your already built in fan base. People saying Rey is not Lukes daughter because it is obviously obvious she is.. If they was to make her some random persons kid it would make a lot of people angry. All they have to do is make her Lukes and everyone is happy. Gonna be interesting how they handle it at least.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2016-01-08 21:13:44
My personal favorites right now concern Rey parentage and the specifics of Kylo Ren's motivations. Putting money on Luke being the doting dad. Personally I feel that's sort of a given and imo is to be assumed until proven otherwise and makes the closing scene actually quite poignant and bittersweet. The interesting theory that I saw someone else propose, however, and the reason we her Obi-Wan's voice instead of Luke's or Anakin's in Rey's vision is the idea that somewhere out there Ben had a daughter and she's Rey's mother, so Rey has it in both bloodines. Yes, there's the idea that Obi-Wan was part of the old order and would have remained celibate, but at the same time, he was among the few last living trained Jedi and there was really no one particular to whom he was keeping an oath at that point. It's not entirely likely, but it's my favorite scenario thus far. It's also the only scenario that wouldn't piss off most of your already built in fan base. People saying Rey is not Lukes daughter because it is obviously obvious she is.. If they was to make her some random persons kid it would make a lot of people angry. All they have to do is make her Lukes and everyone is happy. Gonna be interesting how they handle it at least. Naw, I still say that Rey is Han and Leia's child. They never said that Ken was the only child.
It would also explain his eagerness on finding out that a woman from Jakku helped BB-8 escape.
By Altimaomega 2016-01-08 21:41:32
My personal favorites right now concern Rey parentage and the specifics of Kylo Ren's motivations. Putting money on Luke being the doting dad. Personally I feel that's sort of a given and imo is to be assumed until proven otherwise and makes the closing scene actually quite poignant and bittersweet. The interesting theory that I saw someone else propose, however, and the reason we her Obi-Wan's voice instead of Luke's or Anakin's in Rey's vision is the idea that somewhere out there Ben had a daughter and she's Rey's mother, so Rey has it in both bloodines. Yes, there's the idea that Obi-Wan was part of the old order and would have remained celibate, but at the same time, he was among the few last living trained Jedi and there was really no one particular to whom he was keeping an oath at that point. It's not entirely likely, but it's my favorite scenario thus far. It's also the only scenario that wouldn't piss off most of your already built in fan base. People saying Rey is not Lukes daughter because it is obviously obvious she is.. If they was to make her some random persons kid it would make a lot of people angry. All they have to do is make her Lukes and everyone is happy. Gonna be interesting how they handle it at least. Naw, I still say that Rey is Han and Leia's child. They never said that Ken was the only child.
It would also explain his eagerness on finding out that a woman from Jakku helped BB-8 escape.
1.2.3.4 I declare Spoiler war!
I think that eagerness is because after he killed all of Lukes students then he couldn't bring himself to kill his cousin and dropped her off on Jakku. Which means Luke didn't know where she was (possibly dead) and exonerates him from being the "bad dad" and could explain why he went into exile a little better.
For her to be his sister.. A lot of explaining would have to happen for it to actually work. It would also turn E7 into a worse film for having blatantly mislead. Sure, Leia practically made out with her twin brother but a lot less pretext existed.
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By Fenrir.Schutz 2016-01-08 22:57:51
talking bout parents in Starwars...
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...but on the subject of "derivative content", I would hesitate to say in this case one person's 'homage' is another person's 'blatant rip-off' no? ;_;
I enjoy some reboots/sequels, and ones that try to stray too far from the source material (e.g. the newer 'Robocop' movie, the newer 'Prisoner' film, et al) risk alienating too many loyal fans. Others, which try for a safer 'homage' route (like the 'Terminator Salvation', which I thought was pretty fun and clever sadly, or 'Superman Returns') sometimes can be slammed for not being original enough, and too derivative in sampling classic bits.
It takes a very steady hand to create a 'hit' which treads down the middle, hitting a greater audience whilst appeasing die-hard fans (e.g. the newer Battlestar Galactica, or the newer Star Trek franchise reboots.) Some just take a while for audiences to warm up to, as well (like the newer 'Evangelion' or 'Full Metal Alchemist' versions) but develop strong followings after proving their worth.
I personally think that if it's fun and fresh and intellectually-stimulating, then it's ok to take some liberties with both artistic license and classic homage bits/tropes/characterisations...so long as the reworks aren't gratuitously done to begin with (the five thousand 'Tenchi Muyo' reboots come to mind, here...) 9_-;;
By fonewear 2016-01-09 06:16:46
I guess I lost interest in Star War...haven't watched any SW film in ten years.
By Ramyrez 2016-01-09 13:15:57
1.2.3.4 I declare Spoiler war!
I think that eagerness is because after he killed all of Lukes students then he couldn't bring himself to kill his cousin and dropped her off on Jakku. Which means Luke didn't know where she was (possibly dead) and exonerates him from being the "bad dad" and could explain why he went into exile a little better.
For her to be his sister.. A lot of explaining would have to happen for it to actually work. It would also turn E7 into a worse film for having blatantly mislead. Sure, Leia practically made out with her twin brother but a lot less pretext existed.
Heeeeyyyyy. I like that. That's a pretty great bit there.
Though it still sort of makes him at least a little complicit/inept in not finding her, not really no more so than Han taking that long to find the Falcon I guess.
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By Shiva.Shruiken 2016-01-09 13:38:14
Heeeeyyyyy. I like that. That's a pretty great bit there.
It's my theory from 6 pages ago lol.
Now this is just my theory, but I think Rey was a youngling in Luke's new Jedi Order before Kylo Ren murdered them all, meaning she had also been receiving training prior to being stranded on Jakku. It's my belief that Kylo spared Rey's life, as he couldn't bring himself to murder his little cousin (Rey being Luke's daughter). So instead, he blocked her memory and stranded her on Jakku. In this case, Luke didn't abandon her; he didn't know where she was or if she was even alive.
When Kylo Ren is told that Finn and BB-8 were aided by "some girl" in their escape from Jakku, he freaks out and yells "WHAT GIRL?", which would lead me to believe he already knew it was Rey.
What's a guy gotta do to get some credit around here!
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By Ramyrez 2016-01-09 13:51:39
Heeeeyyyyy. I like that. That's a pretty great bit there.
It's my theory from 6 pages ago lol.
Now this is just my theory, but I think Rey was a youngling in Luke's new Jedi Order before Kylo Ren murdered them all, meaning she had also been receiving training prior to being stranded on Jakku. It's my belief that Kylo spared Rey's life, as he couldn't bring himself to murder his little cousin (Rey being Luke's daughter). So instead, he blocked her memory and stranded her on Jakku. In this case, Luke didn't abandon her; he didn't know where she was or if she was even alive.
When Kylo Ren is told that Finn and BB-8 were aided by "some girl" in their escape from Jakku, he freaks out and yells "WHAT GIRL?", which would lead me to believe he already knew it was Rey.
What's a guy gotta do to get some credit around here!
Ah, yes. Sorry. I think I even read it but didn't place it in context of the thing I had said.
+1 to you then, too!
By Pantafernando 2016-01-09 13:57:13
It's my theory from 6 pages ago lol.
Now this is just my theory, but I think Rey was a youngling in Luke's new Jedi Order before Kylo Ren murdered them all, meaning she had also been receiving training prior to being stranded on Jakku. It's my belief that Kylo spared Rey's life, as he couldn't bring himself to murder his little cousin (Rey being Luke's daughter). So instead, he blocked her memory and stranded her on Jakku. In this case, Luke didn't abandon her; he didn't know where she was or if she was even alive.
When Kylo Ren is told that Finn and BB-8 were aided by "some girl" in their escape from Jakku, he freaks out and yells "WHAT GIRL?", which would lead me to believe he already knew it was Rey.
What's a guy gotta do to get some credit around here! Idk, I at first I thought that yelling of "WHAT GIRL?" was more in line of tremendous dispointment/shame of knowing that the harmless BB8 managed to escape from the entire army with just the help of Finn and a girl, like "How the hell that troop couldnt even arrest a girl? IMO Personally, Im not really curious to know about Rey origins, I prefer to be surprised in the moment it will be told regardless how obvious (or no) the answer will be. But deep inside, I honestly would prefer a male protagonist. Call me sexist but I would prefer Poe or Finn to have the force instead Rey. I was really hoping Finn could have defeated Ren.
By Shiva.Shruiken 2016-01-09 14:22:02
I would prefer Poe or Finn to have the force instead Rey. I was really hoping Finn could have defeated Ren.
I think we may find out Finn is force sensitive too. In the scene when Starkiller Base fires the superweapon on the Resistance planets and everyone is watching the sky, it appears as though Finn can hear the cries of the people that are soon to be killed. It's just like when Obi-Wan said " I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened." after the destruction of Alderaan.
It would make for a more interesting trilogy if Luke trains multiple people, plus it would mean he successfully starts the new Jedi Order.
By Pantafernando 2016-01-09 15:17:43
On a side note, it bothers me how some fights ends with the good triumphing against evil even though there wasnt any logical reason for that.
For example, Anakin was suposed to be one of the strongest jedi, and he was trained since childhood by Qui-Gon Jin (even though he was refused by jedi order due being too old at that time), still, he was defeated by Luke that had just started his training when he was almost an adult. And it was an express traning with duration of no more than weeks. Then now, we see Ren, that suposelly trained since he was a kid, being utterly defeated by Rey that never used force, never had a training and it didnt seen like she had any experience fighting with light sabers...
By Ramyrez 2016-01-09 15:38:18
On a side note, it bothers me how some fights ends with the good triumphing against evil even though there wasnt any logical reason for that.
For example, Anakin was suposed to be one of the strongest jedi, and he was trained since childhood by Qui-Gon Jin (even though he was refused by jedi order due being too old at that time), still, he was defeated by Luke that had just started his training when he was almost an adult. And it was an express traning with duration of no more than weeks. Then now, we see Ren, that suposelly trained since he was a kid, being utterly defeated by Rey that never used force, never had a training and it didnt seen like she had any experience fighting with light sabers...
Let's sort of not forget that Ren isn't a fully-realized Jedi/Dark Side knight himself and not only that, he was fighting with injuries, having been hit by Chewie's bowcaster, the same weapon that was powerful enough to shoot storm troopers through-and-through or send them flying. I think it's fair to say he wasn't exactly at 100%. There's also the fact he doesn't want to kill Rey, he wants to turn her.
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By Bismarck.Dracondria 2016-01-09 21:54:36
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By Altimaomega 2016-01-10 22:36:48
On a side note, it bothers me how some fights ends with the good triumphing against evil even though there wasnt any logical reason for that.
For example, Anakin was suposed to be one of the strongest jedi, and he was trained since childhood by Qui-Gon Jin (even though he was refused by jedi order due being too old at that time), still, he was defeated by Luke that had just started his training when he was almost an adult. And it was an express traning with duration of no more than weeks. Then now, we see Ren, that suposelly trained since he was a kid, being utterly defeated by Rey that never used force, never had a training and it didnt seen like she had any experience fighting with light sabers...
Let's sort of not forget that Ren isn't a fully-realized Jedi/Dark Side knight himself and not only that, he was fighting with injuries, having been hit by Chewie's bowcaster, the same weapon that was powerful enough to shoot storm troopers through-and-through or send them flying. I think it's fair to say he wasn't exactly at 100%. There's also the fact he doesn't want to kill Rey, he wants to turn her. Not only that. Anakin was actually defeated by obi-wan with a tactical mistake. What Luke fought was an old Darth Vader that literally had implanted arms and legs.. Nobodys saying Darth Vader wasn't strong with the force here. But he also didn't have any Jedi to contend with until Luke showed up.
there wasnt any logical reason for that. I've found that most people who say this never take the time to think logically.
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By Bismarck.Cloudxi 2016-01-10 22:44:28
my biggest problem is, i think the outcome of ren and rey fight should be opposite, rey hurt but gets away. not the opposite. someone who is trained should prob win, even if weekend. also, any1 notice that harrison ford is on IMDB to be in the next movie?
By Altimaomega 2016-01-10 22:49:47
my biggest problem is, i think the outcome of ren and rey fight should be opposite, rey hurt but gets away. not the opposite. someone who is trained should prob win, even if weekend. also, any1 notice that harrison ford is on IMDB to be in the next movie?
Has it been like that? Like to not ruin the whole surprise in the first movie? Don't think he could pull off a force ghost..
Episode VII in the Star Wars Saga, Star Wars: The Force Awakens, opens in theaters December 18, 2015.
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