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St. Louis Vs. The Police: Part III Apocalypse Nigh
By volkom 2014-11-25 14:06:29
Bahamut.Fistandantilus said: »There is a very affordable, and sensible option available out there to prevent situations like these. Go Pro cameras on every cop's vest everywhere in the country. Any police (or their supporters) should be completely on board with this. If cops are doing their job as the law dictates they should have no issue with go pro's. Remove the grey area. No more he said she said. Period. iirc a lot of law enforcement groups are already doing this
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-11-25 14:11:03
a good friend once told me, "we're all the same, only different"
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By Bahamut.Protectorchrono 2014-11-25 14:16:35
Just sad that even in this day and age there is STILL Racial discrimination, sexual orientation discrimination etc. We as a race (human race that is) need to learn to accept other people's differences and stop hating on each other for our differences. For one, I'm Gay and a mix of 2 different color races. Am I a minority in the eyes of the majority? Yes. But I don't let that get me down.
If people would just stop the discrimination and learn to accept each others differences then minority and majority won't ever exist anymore and in it's place, ALL of us would be considered equal.
It just saddens me, that this generation will probably carry on all the hatred and discrimination to the next generation and so on and so on and the cycle won't ever end.
We need to break this cycle. Can this be done overnight? No, probably not. However, if we can learn to accept our differences, in time, the world will be better place.
I know it's just idealism at this point, but I believe that we (the human race) can move pass all this with time, but only if humans are willing to make the effort.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-11-25 14:19:59
Get used to it... people will always find a reason to hate someone else and/or make themselves feel better an another's expense.
Not saying there was racism in this case specifically but if some of you think racism is a way of the past then you're only trying to fool yourselves...
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-11-25 14:22:33
It's not survival of the fittest, it's just survival.
By wormfeeder 2014-11-25 14:25:48
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I see the racists are out in force, no wonder there will always be racial tensions in this country. You mean the racists that are black right?
I wasn't aware black people held the levers of power in this country. Enlighten me please, I await your ability to reshape reality.
Ok. I will make this easy for your brain to absorb. The only people holding black people back in this country are other blacks and the progressive liberals who tell them they are not responsible for themselves. Blacks in this country have more opportunities now than ever before but do they take advantage of them? No they don't, they use their race as an excuse to be lazy and blame their lives on others. People like l Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are poor role models for black people and should not follow their message.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-11-25 14:28:17
Typically, calling a specific subset of people gullible and lazy isn't the best tactic to earn their votes.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-11-25 14:29:40
Nobody's holding an election here.
By wormfeeder 2014-11-25 14:32:02
Typically, calling a specific subset of people gullible and lazy isn't the best tactic to earn their votes. You are correct. Telling them it's not their fault their life suck but someone else's is.
By wormfeeder 2014-11-25 14:35:00
As some of you have probably read, they are blaming the police for the burning and looting in furgeson. Like I said won't take responsibility for their actions.
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By Bahamut.Fistandantilus 2014-11-25 14:36:11
Bahamut.Fistandantilus said: »There is a very affordable, and sensible option available out there to prevent situations like these. Go Pro cameras on every cop's vest everywhere in the country. Any police (or their supporters) should be completely on board with this. If cops are doing their job as the law dictates they should have no issue with go pro's. Remove the grey area. No more he said she said. Period. iirc a lot of law enforcement groups are already doing this
Hells yeah. The sooner it is mandatory in every state the better. Certainly will clear up 95% of every interaction between cops, and the public. Cheaper than settling large lawsuits that's for sure.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-11-25 14:40:10
While some states do mandate that some of their officers are to wear those recording devices they are not always on and are only mandated to be turned on when certain circumstances are met. Basically an argument is made that they don't want to be monitored at all times which I can understand.
Then it comes down to are you able to take time to turn something like this on in some situations?
idk... itd be nice to have it all recorded for legal purposes because its never the cops that actually have to pay it's the city... you gotta fight through unions though to even get people to follow something like that to the bare minimum.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-11-25 14:40:19
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I see the racists are out in force, no wonder there will always be racial tensions in this country. You mean the racists that are black right?
I wasn't aware black people held the levers of power in this country. Enlighten me please, I await your ability to reshape reality.
Ok. I will make this easy for your brain to absorb. The only people holding black people back in this country are other blacks and the progressive liberals who tell them they are not responsible for themselves. Blacks in this country have more opportunities now than ever before but do they take advantage of them? No they don't, they use their race as an excuse to be lazy and blame their lives on others. People like l Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are poor role models for black people and should not follow their message.
Thanks Giuliani. Anything else? I'd like to know where Jimmy Hoffa is if you don't mind. Easy pickings for a man for boiled down 200 years of racism to 'they be lazy, yo'.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-11-25 14:40:48
Nobody's holding an election here.
The intelligence level is on point though.
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By wormfeeder 2014-11-25 14:41:13
Bahamut.Fistandantilus said: »Bahamut.Fistandantilus said: »There is a very affordable, and sensible option available out there to prevent situations like these. Go Pro cameras on every cop's vest everywhere in the country. Any police (or their supporters) should be completely on board with this. If cops are doing their job as the law dictates they should have no issue with go pro's. Remove the grey area. No more he said she said. Period. iirc a lot of law enforcement groups are already doing this
Hells yeah. The sooner it is mandatory in every state the better. Certainly will clear up 95% of every interaction between cops, and the public. Cheaper than settling large lawsuits that's for sure. I can see defense and prosecuting attorneys getting video evidence expunged when it doesn't serve their purpose.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-11-25 14:45:40
Typically, calling a specific subset of people gullible and lazy isn't the best tactic to earn their votes.
You must love Jonathan Gruber then.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-11-25 14:49:21
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Nobody's holding an election here.
The intelligence level is on point though. That's never a good thing. Elections are won on popular support though mass media, not good ideas, facts, or anything of substance.
IE. democracy ~ mob rule.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-11-25 14:50:49
There are different types/definitions of racism, though. Morgan Freeman is referring to the dictionary definition of racism. You're referring to the sociology definition of institutional racism.
Also known as the type of racism that you know.. actually matters. Systemic racism in America is at the fount of black ills and from that grows the undercurrent of anger in this country every time the system takes a life, regardless of the circumstances. Michael Brown doesn't matter, he's just one skirmish, one product of a system designed to disenfranchise an entire group of people because they're darkies. We'll be back at this the next time a body hits the floor and a cops gun is at fault.
I make it my life to live by my credo of judge people based on actions, not race but I'd be a delusional fool to think my credo changes the fact that I'm one routine stop from being murdered by a jumpy cop. Darkies be scary, yo.
I can be the best model citzen and it doesn't change that a real estate agent doesn't want me shitting up their perfect white utopia with merely my presence. Darkies ***up your property values, yo. Better go live with other darkies and screw up your own community.
It doesn't change the fact that someone at the bank immediately believes I'm entitled to the shittiest loan because darkies can't pay their debts, yo. I got this fantastic subprime loan you'll love.
And it doesn't change that as a darkie you're more likely to be born into a school to prison pipeline that sees you as worthless labor. That tweet about the cotton fields? More relevant than you think. Darkies be good prisoners, yo.
Better get a music deal or play sports, yo. Because that's all you're good for. That is the prevailing mentality in America, most are just too cowardly to call the spade, a spade.
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By wormfeeder 2014-11-25 14:50:50
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I see the racists are out in force, no wonder there will always be racial tensions in this country. You mean the racists that are black right?
I wasn't aware black people held the levers of power in this country. Enlighten me please, I await your ability to reshape reality.
Ok. I will make this easy for your brain to absorb. The only people holding black people back in this country are other blacks and the progressive liberals who tell them they are not responsible for themselves. Blacks in this country have more opportunities now than ever before but do they take advantage of them? No they don't, they use their race as an excuse to be lazy and blame their lives on others. People like l Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are poor role models for black people and should not follow their message.
Thanks Giuliani. Anything else? I'd like to know where Jimmy Hoffa is if you don't mind. Easy pickings for a man for boiled down 200 years of racism to 'they be lazy, yo'.
Who is selling drugs to black people.
Who are murdering other black people on a daily basis
What race has an 80 percent rate of single parent households.
If you answered blacks on all three you get an A+.
It pains me that this happens. It also pains me that blacks don't get mad about it. Where are al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson on all those issues? No where to be found because it doesn't suit his purpose. I think as a white person I care more about what happens to blacks than those posers do. I volunteer at various churches and homeless shelter every winter and a couple months in the summer and give more assistance than al or Jesse.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-11-25 14:52:55
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I see the racists are out in force, no wonder there will always be racial tensions in this country. You mean the racists that are black right?
I wasn't aware black people held the levers of power in this country. Enlighten me please, I await your ability to reshape reality.
Ok. I will make this easy for your brain to absorb. The only people holding black people back in this country are other blacks and the progressive liberals who tell them they are not responsible for themselves. Blacks in this country have more opportunities now than ever before but do they take advantage of them? No they don't, they use their race as an excuse to be lazy and blame their lives on others. People like l Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are poor role models for black people and should not follow their message.
Thanks Giuliani. Anything else? I'd like to know where Jimmy Hoffa is if you don't mind. Easy pickings for a man for boiled down 200 years of racism to 'they be lazy, yo'.
Who is selling drugs to black people.
Who are murdering other black people on a daily basis
What race has an 80 percent rate of single parent households.
If you answered blacks on all three you get an A+.
It pains me that this happens. It also pains me that blacks don't get mad about it. Where are al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson on all those issues? No where to be found because it doesn't suit his purpose. I think as a white person I care more about what happens to blacks than those posers do. I volunteer at various churches and homeless shelter every winter and a couple months in the summer and give more assistance than al or Jesse.
Yeah, but do you make a ton of money off of it? Truly helping people isn't in the best interest of the pocketbook, as Al and Jesse have figured out by now.
By wormfeeder 2014-11-25 14:54:39
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I see the racists are out in force, no wonder there will always be racial tensions in this country. You mean the racists that are black right?
I wasn't aware black people held the levers of power in this country. Enlighten me please, I await your ability to reshape reality.
Ok. I will make this easy for your brain to absorb. The only people holding black people back in this country are other blacks and the progressive liberals who tell them they are not responsible for themselves. Blacks in this country have more opportunities now than ever before but do they take advantage of them? No they don't, they use their race as an excuse to be lazy and blame their lives on others. People like l Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are poor role models for black people and should not follow their message.
Thanks Giuliani. Anything else? I'd like to know where Jimmy Hoffa is if you don't mind. Easy pickings for a man for boiled down 200 years of racism to 'they be lazy, yo'.
Who is selling drugs to black people.
Who are murdering other black people on a daily basis
What race has an 80 percent rate of single parent households.
If you answered blacks on all three you get an A+.
It pains me that this happens. It also pains me that blacks don't get mad about it. Where are al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson on all those issues? No where to be found because it doesn't suit his purpose. I think as a white person I care more about what happens to blacks than those posers do. I volunteer at various churches and homeless shelter every winter and a couple months in the summer and give more assistance than al or Jesse.
Yeah, but do you make a ton of money off of it? Truly helping people isn't in the best interest of the pocketbook, as Al and Jesse have figured out by now. I don't make one penny doing it. I do it because it is the right thing to do.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-11-25 14:54:43
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »There are different types/definitions of racism, though. Morgan Freeman is referring to the dictionary definition of racism. You're referring to the sociology definition of institutional racism.
Also known as the type of racism that you know.. actually matters. Systemic racism in America is at the fount of black ills and from that grows the undercurrent of anger in this country every time the system takes a life, regardless of the circumstances. Michael Brown doesn't matter, he's just one skirmish, one product of a system designed to disenfranchise an entire group of people because they're darkies. We'll be back at this the next time a body hits the floor and a cops gun is at fault.
I make it my life to live by my credo of judge people based on actions, not race but I'd be a delusional fool to think my credo changes the fact that I'm one routine stop from being murdered by a jumpy cop. Darkies be scary, yo.
I can be the best model citzen and it doesn't change that a real estate agent doesn't want me shitting up their perfect white utopia with merely my presence. Darkies ***up your property values, yo. Better go live with other darkies and screw up your own community.
It doesn't change the fact that someone at the bank immediately believes I'm entitled to the shittiest loan because darkies can't pay their debts, yo. I got this fantastic subprime loan you'll love.
And it doesn't change that as a darkie you're more likely to be born into a school to prison pipeline that sees you as worthless labor. That tweet about the cotton fields? More relevant than you think. Darkies be good prisoners, yo.
Better get a music deal or play sports, yo. Because that's all you're good for. That is the prevailing mentality in America, most are just too cowardly to call the spade, a spade. Pro tip: Stop drinking the liberal koolaid.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-11-25 14:56:14
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »I see the racists are out in force, no wonder there will always be racial tensions in this country. You mean the racists that are black right?
I wasn't aware black people held the levers of power in this country. Enlighten me please, I await your ability to reshape reality.
Ok. I will make this easy for your brain to absorb. The only people holding black people back in this country are other blacks and the progressive liberals who tell them they are not responsible for themselves. Blacks in this country have more opportunities now than ever before but do they take advantage of them? No they don't, they use their race as an excuse to be lazy and blame their lives on others. People like l Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are poor role models for black people and should not follow their message.
Thanks Giuliani. Anything else? I'd like to know where Jimmy Hoffa is if you don't mind. Easy pickings for a man for boiled down 200 years of racism to 'they be lazy, yo'.
Who is selling drugs to black people.
Who are murdering other black people on a daily basis
What race has an 80 percent rate of single parent households.
If you answered blacks on all three you get an A+.
It pains me that this happens. It also pains me that blacks don't get mad about it. Where are al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson on all those issues? No where to be found because it doesn't suit his purpose. I think as a white person I care more about what happens to blacks than those posers do. I volunteer at various churches and homeless shelter every winter and a couple months in the summer and give more assistance than al or Jesse.
Yeah, but do you make a ton of money off of it? Truly helping people isn't in the best interest of the pocketbook, as Al and Jesse have figured out by now. I don't make one penny doing it. I do it because it is the right thing to do.
Doing the right thing for the right reason? That's crazy talk! But seriously, that's the way it should be.
By wormfeeder 2014-11-25 15:00:01
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »There are different types/definitions of racism, though. Morgan Freeman is referring to the dictionary definition of racism. You're referring to the sociology definition of institutional racism.
Also known as the type of racism that you know.. actually matters. Systemic racism in America is at the fount of black ills and from that grows the undercurrent of anger in this country every time the system takes a life, regardless of the circumstances. Michael Brown doesn't matter, he's just one skirmish, one product of a system designed to disenfranchise an entire group of people because they're darkies. We'll be back at this the next time a body hits the floor and a cops gun is at fault.
I make it my life to live by my credo of judge people based on actions, not race but I'd be a delusional fool to think my credo changes the fact that I'm one routine stop from being murdered by a jumpy cop. Darkies be scary, yo.
I can be the best model citzen and it doesn't change that a real estate agent doesn't want me shitting up their perfect white utopia with merely my presence. Darkies ***up your property values, yo. Better go live with other darkies and screw up your own community.
It doesn't change the fact that someone at the bank immediately believes I'm entitled to the shittiest loan because darkies can't pay their debts, yo. I got this fantastic subprime loan you'll love.
And it doesn't change that as a darkie you're more likely to be born into a school to prison pipeline that sees you as worthless labor. That tweet about the cotton fields? More relevant than you think. Darkies be good prisoners, yo.
Better get a music deal or play sports, yo. Because that's all you're good for. That is the prevailing mentality in America, most are just too cowardly to call the spade, a spade. Pro tip: Stop drinking the liberal koolaid. It is the progressive liberal elite that are keeping minorities down in this country not the conservatives.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-11-25 15:05:21
Who gives a *** about Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson? Cite some real black voices that dont get play on TV because the media doesn't want to offend the viewers or just get the *** out. Read a book *** applies here.
Cornel West has been dropping truthbombs about the system but I'm sure you don't care, doesn't feed your narrowminded garbage and thus can be safely jettisoned.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-11-25 15:06:12
Pro tip: Stop drinking the liberal koolaid.
Protip: Cite sources against institutionalized racism or just do us all a solid and admit you're talking with your pooper.
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By Bismarck.Magnuss 2014-11-25 15:09:55
Not denying they have a culture but a lot of what's culturally defining to them from this generation is socially degrading. By whose standards? Sure, there are dunderheads in black culture, but there also dunderheads in white culture, various Asian groups, etc. This shows that there are people in their culture who are morons, but every culture has that. It doesn't define their culture, it simply is another, less desirable facet.
Another issue is, all we ever hear of is the bad. That's pasted all over the news. Enduring stories don't pay the bills. This actually goes hand in hand with the topic, now that I think of it. We'll hear of the hundreds acting out, not the millions who don't.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-11-25 15:16:52
Time to brace for impact as the grand jury decision draws near.
Quote: St. Louis-area resident Carolyn Colburn opened her front door two nights ago and had a bulletin from the City of Berkeley fall at her feet.
“The grand jury decision regarding the Ferguson police officer shooting of Michael Brown is expected this month — rumored as the middle of November, possibly this week,” warned the “News Alert” from town officials.
“It is important that we all plan ahead in the event that conditions warrant each of us to stay at or very close to our homes for several days,” stated the flier, which Berkeley distributed to 3,000 homes this week.
Berkeley, a bedroom community with 9,000 residents, borders Ferguson, where the fatal shooting of an unarmed black teenager on Aug. 9 triggered protests and riots and sparked a nationwide debate on race, policing and justice.
With few businesses in Berkeley, residents like Colburn do their shopping in neighboring Ferguson.
“It is very sad that we have to live in this fear,” Colburn told Yahoo News by email.
No date has been set for the grand jury’s ruling, but St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney Robert McCulloch has said he expects an announcement in mid- to late November.
Three months ago, 18-year-old Michael Brown’s death led to protests in which demonstrators burned down a gas station, looted liquor stores and clashed violently with police officers.
For the past month, law enforcement leaks to reporters have suggested that a grand jury will not indict Ferguson Officer Darren Wilson for killing Brown.
If that turns out to be the case, Berkeley Mayor Theodore Hoskins told Yahoo News, “it’s possible” the second round of protests will be worse than the first.
“There has been a three-month anger setting up,” said Hoskins, 76. “We get the feeling that there might be something destructive occur. I don't want my residents waking up one morning not knowing what to do.”
So earlier this week, the city of Berkeley began putting tip sheets with safety advice on the doors of every home.
Please make sure your home and family are prepared for a period of disruption, just as you would in the event of a storm,” the city advises.
In addition to suggesting that residents stock up on food, water, gas, medications and other supplies, the advisory says to have contingency plans for picking up children from school and taking care of the elderly.
“Travel to them may not be possible for a few days,” the alert states. “You may want to consider temporarily moving them in with you or others who can assure that their needs are met.”
Hoskins said feedback on the town’s decision has been mostly positive.
“You’ll always have two or three saying you’re creating an alarm that may be unnecessary, and we understand that,” he said.
Berkeley City Hall is four miles from the street where the deadly altercation between the officer and teen took place.
“I never thought that the incident that occurred in August would ever happen in our community,” Hoskins, a Berkeley resident for nearly 50 years, said of the shooting and aftermath. “I was under the impression that everybody had proper training for those types of situations.”
The bulletin suggests that residents load up on nonperishable supplies, especially since it's unknown whether Ferguson’s stores will remain open.
“That's the closest community that we go to, so we are just taking it safe,” Hoskins said.
Colburn was in Ferguson on Wednesday evening and said many businesses have already begun boarding up windows.
“Aggression and unrest are definitely rising,” she said. “I am worried about my son not being able to come home for Thanksgiving break.”
McCulloch, the prosecutor, has said claims of an announcement date or time should be ignored. But Hoskins said he is too close to the situation, with too much at stake, to remain idle.
“It seems to be narrowed down to between now and Monday,” the mayor said. “If anything spills over into our community, then I'll declare an emergency and we will do certain other things to protect our residents.” Ferguson's neighbor warns residents to prepare for the worst
Rumor is they're not going to press charges.
Federal charges appear unlikely in Ferguson police shooting: Washington Post
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