NQ Hauby Vs. Shura Togi For SAM

i actually i tested this for a month in a different occasion(like in sky, campaign mobs, easy prey, tough) on different monsters about Hauby vs Domaru on WS

the result was Domaru > Hauby on WS domaru average always did 40 - 120 more dmg than hauby on WS when i tested this was when i didn't had Osode nor Hagun 1 year ago....3STR of difference is very noticeable even with Hauby ATK+

Edit: of course Hauby or askar on WS as Tachi: Jinpu on a Too weak like tavnazian monster...did 2k dmg(with my TP gear..not even WS lol) http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b350/TitoX/Tachijinpu2076.jpg
^i guess was my DA gear activated on each hit...not sure though(i was passing to Jeuno..since Gigas always throw good gil...always kill them on the way lol)



i spended a lot of time on this testing this as same with SC chain.....

SC chain especially i tested this when i soloed Sleepga2 NM for my blm as sam/nin...was scary since monster(have MDB job trait) could do magic shield and lvl5 petrify but last WS dmg and SC chain#5 was resulted especially when was darkness vs ahriman*sp

last WS..closer of the SC#6 Gekko 1.4k(so SC should had come out 225% of its dmg so it should had been 3.5k dmg or so if not resist)...but since ahriman NM is dark it resisted 50 or 60% of the SC and did 1.2k or 1.3k darkness

the fight endured 30sec or so and the NM died on the last WS SC...tested how max dmg could do instantly with 200%TP meditate sekkanoki and 2hr ready since monster HP is 10k(bad thing some SC got half of the resist)....testing this on campaign since i barely get the chance to take away a mob for myself to test this lol if theory correct it should be about minimum and not resist 10k - 15kdmg in total


took me 4 - 5 months to learn(not using wiki to know what SC come out just by campaign and WS with other people to see what would come out...and see WS its SC properties...like "Burning Blade" (SC: Liquefaction) + Fast Blade(Scission) = Scission and other example Red Lotus Blade (SC: Liquefaction/Detonation) + Tachi: Goten(Impaction/Transfixion) or Flat Blade(Impaction) = Fusion + Asuran Fist(Gravitation/Liquefaction) or Tachi: Rana(Gravitation/Induration) = Gravitation so on) for a samurai or any other job who uses multiple WS end game is great to know its SC and what element they are to help BLM or rdm or blu or yourself if you are mage....but idk if it helps COR elemental shot though...never been with a cor ; ;

but i had outparse hagun dmg when i had Shinsoku(a year ago) because i just WS SC follow by another WS SC ;p since i would never beat Hagun on a single WS dmg unless 200TP - 300TP with Shinsoku

i always been a nerd for testing everything on sam ; ; is like saying sam single WS dmg should do more than a WAR or DRG or <insert other high DD>....thats hard since a "hax" gear for WS on those job do 2k+ WS a sam is hard to do time to time....thats why we can SC with anything and outparse that dmg easily without needing spam WS lol

Wiki: "the Samurai (SAM) job focuses on the mastery of weapon skills and skillchains."

thats all the test i had done since i was SAM75 and still need do more test...i hope this helps anyone ;; and not trying to sound rude at all...if i do then i'm sorry :<

I'd agree with that. People are used to knocking Domaru so much from before all this was ever discovered that accepting that it might not be completely ridiculous is a little difficult. lol

There's nothing wrong with using Domaru for 1hit weaponskills, but y'all are crazy if you think a bunch of SAMs don't TP in it. Hell, I just watched a SAM TP in full STR gear last night while doing one of the augmented weapon fights, and back when I could still bring myself to merit on BRD, full-time Domaru SAMs outnumbered colibri. That's what you get when you merit in pickups though. Sometimes they're great, and sometimes they're not.

Really? Still? I guess TP in Askar is a blessing in comparison. lol

I onced had a pt where the sam TP in full str gear, a Ninjer with crap gear and a WAR/dnc and they all asked for double acc buff >..>

Bet when that SAM did connect friggin buildings fell over and ***tho!

Ahahahaha

The *** are you talking about?

Go test Domaru vs. Haubergeon on Greater Colibri. The mobs you were testing them out on your attack would have been capped already along with ACC. And load up a parse don't eyeball saying 80-120 damage more or less or etc etc.

O.o wait...what...someone else actually asking for something to be parsed?

GET HIM!!!

>_>

Failure

The *** are you talking about?

not being rude tho but if you want something parse just do it yourself

Unless that SC is Frag, Gravitation, Light or Dark, I aint using something besides YGK, If i see a Jin, im using Kasha and hopefully have Sek up for a gekko, if i see a frag or anything, ill use 1 of my big 3 to close a SC, otherwise no.

Heh, not being rude, but read all of my previous posts, not once have I asked for anyone to parse anything; in fact, what I've repeatedly asked if anyone had seen any parsing data on it. I was merely trying to make a joke, which you obviously completely missed b/c I'm guessing your sense of humor is missing?

Theres no actual made parse on it but just looking at both pieces of gear easily tells you which piece is more efficient. This thread should not have been made in the first place.

Like I've already stated quite nicely imo before, please post something constructive or don't post at all....if you don't like the post, fine, go post elsewhere.

Who the *** are you saying where I can post or not? In fact I answered your question in almost every post I'v made in this question. Haubergeon > Shura Togi(+1) for SAM to TP in. Theres no need for a parse nor is anyone gonna make one for a simple question that, like I said before, can be answered by just looking at the gear.

I wasn't commenting about the joke I just quoted anything of yours to get your attention xD

But I mean everytime someone states something you ask for some proof, ex. some parse info. Also since you haven't gotten any further on seeing what is best Togi or Haub you should maybe parse yourself or a friend. It would give you what you want without the hassle of asking us

No, in fact you haven't answered my original question, no one on here has really. My original question was if anyone had seen any parsing data on it PERIOD...not "hey guys, can you tell me what stats hauby has vs. shura togi" or "hey, why don't you tell me the reason there's no need for a parse and then continue to tell me what posts I should or shouldn't make". Sorry, but "well, it's obvious which one is better" isn't what I had asked for. In fact, I hadn't really asked for that much imo, just if anyone had seen any data comparing them, which apparently is too much for some to wrap their head around.

My original statement still stands, nobody is forcing you to post in this forum, bud, if you find it that offensive, you are more then welcome to post elsewhere.

>_>

Original post;
NQ Hauby vs. Shura Togi for SAM to TP in. Haubergeon will give you more results due to the str translating to 3.75 attack and a chance to up your fstr as well as 5 dex = 3.75 acc with small crit bonus.

The +1-2 fstr near counters that atk and then couple it with the acc bonus, haub wins for pure DD.

Theres your math. No need for a parse. All this data was relevant wether it involves a simple answer such as; Haubergon is better. Or someone doing math calculating the ACC and ATK gained or lossed from Haubergeon and Fstr along with the Dex bonus added. Your question has been answered without a parse. Like I said there isn't a parse out there to show it but I just posted some of the simple math for you.

I'd love to parse it myself, but tbh I posted on here in hopes that someone already had at some point in time to save me the trouble and the time. Which one is better than the other really doesn't matter to me tbh, I personally prefer the Hauby, but happen to have both, and wondered if anyone had done any parsing comparing them. I was curious as to how they actually stacked up to each other with quantitative numbers, but it appears the best I can get is "Hauby's better" and "this post should never have been made" instead of something halfway intelligent from some of the posts that have been put on here. By some of the response that I've gotten, you'd think I'd asked people to sacrifice a taru or something lol.

TP IN DOOOMMAAARRUUUUU!!!

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It has been parsed a long time ago. Go check the SAM forums on the wiki site. I think I saw it there.

Thanks....still not what I asked for though. All your posting really is theory and I'm looking more for the proof of that theory, which apparently nobody deems worthy enough to even test and doesn't exist. Yes, there's been tests done to show x DEX = x ACC, etc., but not any comparing these two specific pieces of armor period, which is what I've been looking for all along. Not asking for someone to parse it for me, not asking someone to explain to me the basics of DEX/ACC translations, just plain and simple has this been parsed by anyone in the past. From what I've read on here, it looks like no one has taken the time to. If you want to settle for using that formula to prove that Hauby is superior, that's fine. I wanted to see more quantitative data as I've said.

Lol thanks, I've checked every forum you can imagine to see if I could find it and have been unable to. KI, BG, Wiki, none of them I've been able to find any kind of hard data. What I have found is posts similar to this one though where people debate about it, but that's about it.

Read what I said about the Fstr. Thats going to counter the minimal loss of attack from using Haubergeon and the Acc bonus along with the small Crit bonus is going to push Haubergeon ahead in parses. It's not theory its math.

Domaruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu or GET THE *** OUT, i really lol'd @ "sam is not about ws, its about SC" BAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

uh. i lol'd as well about the osode comments.. where the *** did that come from? because we all know osode is hot ***to ws in right? oh wait wut.. guess that means i should kaiten in osode too since apparently the mod on kaiten is str... but we all know how SE LOVES TO LIE TO US!

but back on topic. hq hauby and just move on. this thread should die now.. before more silly players contribute more dumb ***... ima remember that im all about skill chains when most other sams dont even seem to fathom that kaiten / kasha = light.

Also there is no solid parse of it. Just math to show that Haubergeon is better.

its better soon as u see the white box border round it.

I did read it and it is still theory until actual data has been taken on it. Ever hear of the scientific method? What you have is a hypothesis. Yes it may be true and probably is, but the next step is to experiment and collect data (parse) which nobody has bothered to do.