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By Ramyrez 2014-09-22 10:48:36
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Ooooh. Now you're speak foreign. And again claiming a "whoosh"!

You sure are impressive and blowing us away with concepts over our heads.
 
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By Quetzalcoatl.Maldini 2014-09-22 10:52:31
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Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
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Wars have actually been fought over resources more than anything else.

Why is there so much ignorance on the FFXIAH forums?

Don't worry about it. In previous threads, it's been proven that some of the more evangelical leaning have no formal introduction to theological education at the base level within Christianity. Not saying everyone, just a few. Even a handful of the atheists here are so stubborn that they haven't expanded into any other realm of religion just for the sake of exploration.

You can ask Bible beaters about their interpretation of the Eucharist to get a good idea of their background. No Confirmation, no Bar/Bat Mitzvah as a religious "coming of age". (BTW, what's Islam's equivalent?) Personally, I find it more respectable to have a more well-rounded idea of the circumstances than planting your feet in defiance.

Don't worry. You're fine.

Not a creationist. Just tossing that out there...
"Buloogh" or "Buloogh el rushd". But it isn't celebrated or observed or noted by an occasion. It is just a means of describing one's coming of age.

My feet aren't planted. I'm pretty fluid and open to most things. Enough at least, to adjust my opinion and admit at the price of my lolpride. Some principles though, I will not bend on.
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By Nazrious 2014-09-22 10:53:15
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People next to each other will grow to hatejealous of each other's things.

Fixed that.

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Belief is the mind Killer

Fear is the mind killer.

You fixed nothing. Jelousy does not put a gun in the hand of a 9 year old and force him to kill, hate does, its isn't always about things more often its about control and power. One forcing another to follow their demands.

Control, power, resources, land, whatever you want to call it. Religion is a means to control people in order to thereby control more resources.

You stated that people live next to each other and that inheirantly causes hate because apparently you seem to think that people just can't live in peace and will war over anything.

You're wrong.


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"Fear is the Mind killer" is what paul thinks when being tested but I wrote "Belief is the mind Killer."
It was to make a point...

/woosh.

There was no "whoosh". Your ad-libbed a book quote. Changes the meaning of the quote. There may be some overlap in the idea you were trying to express and the point of the quote, but still. Doesn't work there. At least in my mind.

People can't live in peace, "Requiescat in pace." So I am corrected the dead can, unless they are ghost or zombies, or clowns cus damn them Fing clowns.

As for the Dune quote I was using the popular reference to make a point.

In fact it should go something like "Fear keeps the mind alive, Belief is the mind Killer." Good thing I don't worship at the Mosque of Dune cus I could be deemed a heretic and executed.
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By Fenrir.Mariane 2014-09-22 10:53:25
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time is just a constructed reality of knowledge.

As in time being a imaginary measurement quantity created by us to help us in quantizing and understanding "motion"?
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By Ramyrez 2014-09-22 10:56:45
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People can't live in peace

Okay, so you're just being a cynical egoist.

Got it.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-09-22 10:56:49
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Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »
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Wars have actually been fought over resources more than anything else.

Why is there so much ignorance on the FFXIAH forums?

Don't worry about it. In previous threads, it's been proven that some of the more evangelical leaning have no formal introduction to theological education at the base level within Christianity. Not saying everyone, just a few. Even a handful of the atheists here are so stubborn that they haven't expanded into any other realm of religion just for the sake of exploration.

You can ask Bible beaters about their interpretation of the Eucharist to get a good idea of their background. No Confirmation, no Bar/Bat Mitzvah as a religious "coming of age". (BTW, what's Islam's equivalent?) Personally, I find it more respectable to have a more well-rounded idea of the circumstances than planting your feet in defiance.

Don't worry. You're fine.

Not a creationist. Just tossing that out there...
"Buloogh" or "Buloogh el rushd". But it isn't celebrated or observed or noted by an occasion. It is just a means of describing one's coming of age.

My feet aren't planted. I'm pretty fluid and open to most things. Enough at least, to adjust my opinion and admit at the price of my lolpride. Some principles though, I will not bend on.

Are there classes with it?

Wasn't referring to you. I was trying to be encouraging and give you an explanation. Try reading again. Less defensively this time, please.
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By Nazrious 2014-09-22 10:57:36
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Ooooh. Now you're speak foreign. And again claiming a "whoosh"!

You sure are impressive and blowing us away with concepts over our heads.

Latin, Google its easy but just for you.

"To argue over the shadow of an ***."

If I was a peaceful loving human I would care that I hurt your interweb feelings. If.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Maldini 2014-09-22 10:58:13
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Resources and Power.

Religion is just another man-made tool for controlling resources and power.

What's a better resource or power source than people? They can get you all the other resources as long as they believe hard enough in your message.


Edit: Dammit. I told myself I was only going to respond with pictures. Ah well.

Have another Cthulhu Mythos image for the *** of it.

Ramy I have colleagues at work who sounded just like you 4-6 years ago.
We've both benefited from the open and honest conversations we've had in the smoker's area and Tim Hortons.

What I've come to realize is that there is huge difference in what is understood as religion in the west by many, and what is understood as religion over here.

That is not to say there isn't a difference of opinion on religion's scope within any community. But the difference between what someone from say, America, and someone from the UAE understand as religion is huge.

We actually see religion as something very personal, a belief and value system that prescribes certain religious rituals such as Haj and Salat as a means for self improvement, and not a political ideology. Those that reject it can do so.
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By Ramyrez 2014-09-22 10:59:27
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Nazrious said: »
Ramyrez said: »
Ooooh. Now you're speak foreign. And again claiming a "whoosh"!

You sure are impressive and blowing us away with concepts over our heads.

Latin, Google its easy but just for you.

"To argue over the shadow of an ***."

If I was a peaceful loving human I would care that I hurt your interweb feelings. If.

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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-09-22 10:59:51
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I'm in a mosque right now actually...my religion changes with the seasons.
When Ramadan falls in the summer either avoid being Muslim or avoid the northern hemisphere.
Or you can just see it as "summer diet: hard mode" like my muslim friend does.

That being said, Ramadan isn't about getting yourself killed so you can always resort to emergency water. We were in Vegas with my friend when the Ramadan happened in summer, it's hard to be muslim there.
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By Fenrir.Atheryn 2014-09-22 10:59:56
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Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »
We actually see religion as something very personal, a belief and value system that prescribes certain religious rituals such as Haj and Salat as a means for self improvement, and not a political ideology. Those that reject it can do so.

You just described everyone in the Bible Belt.
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By Nazrious 2014-09-22 11:00:46
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Ramyrez said: »
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People can't live in peace

Okay, so you're just being a cynical egoist.

Got it.

1) Open a history book not written by an idiot, hell even religious texts.

2) Read

3) list the times it mentions a lasting peace.

4) Contact me in PM with your paypal I will send you $1000.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-09-22 11:02:15
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How young or old a movement is doesn't really have much bearing. Creationists are very vocal and when you can infiltrate and influence education children have no frame of reference for something different. Especially if 'intellectuals' are demonized and you send your children to religious colleges or only allow a religious social structure.

I'm not doubting this, I'm just saying that it's not like vaguely just saying "Christianity" or "Muslim/Islam" or w/e. It's a very specific subset of people. In this case, it's like a special idiot's club within Protestantism.

I'm just saying that how broadly you define creationism -- and how fervently those people classifying themselves as such try to push it -- matters.

C'mon. This is me. I'm not going to defend religion just because I feel like it. I just think the 50% number is overstated.

Or maybe I'm in denial, I'm not sure which.
Oh, I didn't post link.
Sorry!
http://www.gallup.com/poll/21814/Evolution-Creationism-Intelligent-Design.aspx

Also, yeah, it doesn't ask you how you identify but what you think is true.

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Also, not saying 50% is correct number. Just providing link on past polls and opinion on how a movement that's been around a few decades can get intertwined pretty quickly

Interesting. What I thought was the middle ground is rounding the curve while everyone else passed the finish line.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-09-22 11:04:51
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Nazrious said: »

1) Open a history book not written by an idiot, hell even religious texts.

2) Read

3) list the times it mentions a lasting peace.

4) Contact me in PM with your paypal I will send you $1000.

send the $1000 first!
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By Ramyrez 2014-09-22 11:06:08
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Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
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How young or old a movement is doesn't really have much bearing. Creationists are very vocal and when you can infiltrate and influence education children have no frame of reference for something different. Especially if 'intellectuals' are demonized and you send your children to religious colleges or only allow a religious social structure.

I'm not doubting this, I'm just saying that it's not like vaguely just saying "Christianity" or "Muslim/Islam" or w/e. It's a very specific subset of people. In this case, it's like a special idiot's club within Protestantism.

I'm just saying that how broadly you define creationism -- and how fervently those people classifying themselves as such try to push it -- matters.

C'mon. This is me. I'm not going to defend religion just because I feel like it. I just think the 50% number is overstated.

Or maybe I'm in denial, I'm not sure which.
Oh, I didn't post link.
Sorry!
http://www.gallup.com/poll/21814/Evolution-Creationism-Intelligent-Design.aspx

Also, yeah, it doesn't ask you how you identify but what you think is true.

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Also, not saying 50% is correct number. Just providing link on past polls and opinion on how a movement that's been around a few decades can get intertwined pretty quickly

Interesting. What I thought was the middle ground is rounding the curve while everyone else passed the finish line.

That's a damned depressing study, there.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-09-22 11:07:12
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here you go

here is the lasting peace mention you requested, please remit your payment
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-09-22 11:08:08
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So we've reached that point where we're apologizing for religion by shifting the burden onto 'humans just suck' huh? Nothing about the idea of religion being so pervasive from youth that it can make the adherent believe things that have no rational basis.

You know, like the idea of end times, wars being part of cosmic design, bitter feuds between peoples, belittlement of outsiders etc.
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By Nazrious 2014-09-22 11:08:34
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
Nazrious said: »

1) Open a history book not written by an idiot, hell even religious texts.

2) Read

3) list the times it mentions a lasting peace.

4) Contact me in PM with your paypal I will send you $1000.

send the $1000 first!

How would I send the $1000 first without paypal info?

So 2nd?

But I am not worried it is impossible.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2014-09-22 11:10:27
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Ramyrez said: »
That's a damned depressing study, there.
It's polls not a study, you have to remember that.

But I agree, the trend is not encouraging
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By Nazrious 2014-09-22 11:11:07
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Shiva.Nikolce said: »
here you go

here is the lasting peace mention you requested, please remit your payment

That was a link to a philosophical theoretical way to achieve a lasting peace... but hey keep at it!

Ganbatte!
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By Ramyrez 2014-09-22 11:11:30
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That's a damned depressing study, there.
It's polls not a study, you have to remember that.

But I agree, the trend is not encouraging

Yeah, I realized my wording error, didn't bother correcting it. My bad.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Maldini 2014-09-22 11:11:50
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Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
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Wars have actually been fought over resources more than anything else.

Why is there so much ignorance on the FFXIAH forums?

Don't worry about it. In previous threads, it's been proven that some of the more evangelical leaning have no formal introduction to theological education at the base level within Christianity. Not saying everyone, just a few. Even a handful of the atheists here are so stubborn that they haven't expanded into any other realm of religion just for the sake of exploration.

You can ask Bible beaters about their interpretation of the Eucharist to get a good idea of their background. No Confirmation, no Bar/Bat Mitzvah as a religious "coming of age". (BTW, what's Islam's equivalent?) Personally, I find it more respectable to have a more well-rounded idea of the circumstances than planting your feet in defiance.

Don't worry. You're fine.

Not a creationist. Just tossing that out there...
"Buloogh" or "Buloogh el rushd". But it isn't celebrated or observed or noted by an occasion. It is just a means of describing one's coming of age.

My feet aren't planted. I'm pretty fluid and open to most things. Enough at least, to adjust my opinion and admit at the price of my lolpride. Some principles though, I will not bend on.

Are there classes with it?

Wasn't referring to you. I was trying to be encouraging and give you an explanation. Try reading again. Less defensively this time, please.
I knew it wasn't directed at me, i was bringing up my outlook for those it was directed at.

Classes about coming of age? unfortunately no - at least not when I was at school. Classes about something such a Bar/bah mitzvah? we don't have the equivalent as a phenomenon so nothing really to teach to kids other than "boys grow up into men and girls into women.". In the Quran God mentions coming of age, but it is not a physical change in the body that we understand, it is mental independence and maturity, at which point one becomes accountable for their actions. This is "Rushd" and a common name in Arabic is "Rashid" - one who is accountable and responsible, mature and commanding.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-09-22 11:12:07
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I mean give me a break people.

Most critics of religion aren't asserting that religion is the wellspring of all conflict on the planet but when you're brought up on irrational nonsense and fostered in a culture of 'just follow, don't question' you become ripe fruit for following nonsense without nary an opportunity to stop, evaluate and *** if what you're doing makes any *** sense.

That's the problem with religion. It bathes in ignorance and encourages you to do so as well. Any attempt to individualize your
faith or think for yourself is firewalled with threats of hell, violent expulsion and an overall ideology of being somehow 'corrupt' for thinking.
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By Ramyrez 2014-09-22 11:12:46
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So we've reached that point where we're apologizing for religion by shifting the burden onto 'humans just suck' huh? Nothing about the idea of religion being so pervasive from youth that it can make the adherent believe things that have no rational basis.

You know, like the idea of end times, wars being part of cosmic design, bitter feuds between peoples, belittlement of outsiders etc.

People do tend to be inheirantly shitty to each other, you have to admit that.

That's not saying everything you said there isn't correct.

Just saying.

I think peace is a possibility. I just think it's still a long time coming.

And probably on the other side of more conflict.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Maldini 2014-09-22 11:15:52
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I'm in a mosque right now actually...my religion changes with the seasons.
When Ramadan falls in the summer either avoid being Muslim or avoid the northern hemisphere.
Or you can just see it as "summer diet: hard mode" like my muslim friend does.

That being said, Ramadan isn't about getting yourself killed so you can always resort to emergency water. We were in Vegas with my friend when the Ramadan happened in summer, it's hard to be muslim there.
Fasting should never be harmful. In Islam, priority is well being over anything else. If your friend wasn't fit to fast the long hours of Ramadan in the summer, he can pay for the meal of someone who is fasting instead.
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-09-22 11:15:57
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See the thing is we have had this discussion about 50,000 times and we are just repeating the same thing over and over.

Says the guy who keeps using "Feminism" and "The Huffington Post" as a punch line repeatedly.

Whats wrong with Feminism?

I love women and I'm all for them existing and having the right to be women. Otherwise it would just be a bunch of men sitting around talking about silly things like evolution and creationism as absolutes.
Feminism in itself is a good idea as women are often mistreated. The problem is that the strongest (and most wrong/exaggerated) feminism is found in the West where women are literal princesses and that they aren't dumb, they understood they can use it to get even more, and that's what they do.

Give them a finger and they'll want your arm. This is exactly what's happening right now with "feminism" and SJWs which can be seen daily on internet. If you go to Reddit, Tumblr or 4chan you can easily see unbiased proofs of what's going on, and it's really, really scary. This isn't feminism anymore, it has become "make women above anything and everything and keep them there", yet is still called feminism because they can easily hide behind this since the generally accepted movement isn't about that.

A good example is the "fact" that "a man cannot be raped". There are many other more annoying to discuss examples, mentalities in the West are going a path that isn't going to make anyone happy down the road.

Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »
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I'm in a mosque right now actually...my religion changes with the seasons.
When Ramadan falls in the summer either avoid being Muslim or avoid the northern hemisphere.
Or you can just see it as "summer diet: hard mode" like my muslim friend does.

That being said, Ramadan isn't about getting yourself killed so you can always resort to emergency water. We were in Vegas with my friend when the Ramadan happened in summer, it's hard to be muslim there.
Fasting should never be harmful. In Islam, priority is well being over anything else. If your friend wasn't fit to fast the long hours of Ramadan in the summer, he can pay for the meal of someone who is fasting instead.
Oh he had no issues fasting in England, France or Algeria (in Algeria they have a pace of life that matches Ramadan, obviously, since it's the literal desert).

He just had an issue when we went to Vegas as there is a jet lag and it was really, really hot there with no real way to go through the day without drinking a bit of water and having a small snack. We had to walk around from 7 in the morning until 11 at night, non stop. I have never drank so much water in my life.
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By Nazrious 2014-09-22 11:18:53
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So we've reached that point where we're apologizing for religion by shifting the burden onto 'humans just suck' huh? Nothing about the idea of religion being so pervasive from youth that it can make the adherent believe things that have no rational basis.

You know, like the idea of end times, wars being part of cosmic design, bitter feuds between peoples, belittlement of outsiders etc.

Apologize?

Religion is simply a construction of man.

Idiots will be idiots. Yes babies are uneducated at birth and can be molded but even still some will grow to question or at least think of ways to make the system work for themselves. Many will not, that sucks for them.

Mankind is not soft and cuddly creatures, through design or evolution Man is a creature of constant strife. Thus the need for brain washing through religion or consumerism and the channeling of aggressive proclivities towards what can be considered the "other."
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By Ramyrez 2014-09-22 11:20:02
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A good example is the "fact" that "a man cannot be raped". There are many other more annoying to discuss examples, mentalities in the West are going a path that isn't going to make anyone happy down the road.

The "men cannot be raped" thing is perpetuated by the macho culture of men in the U.S. far more than any feminist of any stripe. It's considered a "weakness", and men aren't supposed to be weak. Women are weak. (So their theory goes).
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By Quetzalcoatl.Maldini 2014-09-22 11:26:39
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Ramyrez said: »
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So we've reached that point where we're apologizing for religion by shifting the burden onto 'humans just suck' huh? Nothing about the idea of religion being so pervasive from youth that it can make the adherent believe things that have no rational basis.

You know, like the idea of end times, wars being part of cosmic design, bitter feuds between peoples, belittlement of outsiders etc.

People do tend to be inheirantly shitty to each other, you have to admit that.

That's not saying everything you said there isn't correct.

Just saying.

I think peace is a possibility. I just think it's still a long time coming.

And probably on the other side of more conflict.

I could solve the Israeli/Palestinian conflict in a month.

How's this sound:
OK Palestinians - a lot of shitty things have happened to you. History will take note. No one is doubting that you have suffered and you have been victims. We all admit it. We did a shitty job.
Moving forward though, we need this ***to stop. So Israel and Palestine, here is what the world has agreed to:

2 states within 1 state - Israel and Palestine. Palestinians get the west bank and Gaza, Israeli's get all of what is currently recognized by the US as Israel, and Jerusalem is the capital of both states. Jews get the wailing wall, Palestinians get the temple mount.

For the first ten years, Palestinians will need working permits to work within Israel. If there are no terrorists attacks and everything goes well, the work permits will no longer be needed, and free travel into the israeli part will be open.

At which point Palestinians will have the same rights as Israelis.

There will be no more settlements and current land seized by Israel and recognized as Palestinian by the UN will be returned to Palestinians.

Settlers who are already within the palestinian territories will have the option to rent for 5 years or vacate. Palestinians will need to accept that.

No one other than the police and military are allowed to carry arms.

Any racial or religious inflammatory speech or media by an individual or group will be prosecuted and carry heavy punishment such as long prison sentences and high fines at the discretion of the court.

The national court will be made up equal representation. 5 Israeli Judges and 5 Palestinian Judges.

The Prime Minister will be Israeli and the President Palestinian for the first 50 years after which this clause will be removed from the constituition.

Jews will be allowed to marry palestinians and vice versa.

The wall will go down.

Right of Return for Palestinian Refugees:
Palestinians with proof of ethnicity will be granted citizenship.
All claims for reimbursement of lost land or housing will be processed pending proof of original ownership or an alternative plot of land will be allocated for you, of similar value and size.
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