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 Lakshmi.Sparthosx
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-09-22 10:06:30
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As someone partly descended from those people living in the Americas and thus never got the fax from the one true God about Eurasia and the oncoming calamity that'd befall, enslave and to this day besmirch my people you can keep your monotheism and your afterlife promises.

Apparently God was too busy writing passages about gays, signing off on Crusades and keeping women chaste to drop some Bibles on the New World.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-09-22 10:07:19
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Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »
Wars have actually been fought over resources more than anything else.

Why is there so much ignorance on the FFXIAH forums?

Don't worry about it. In previous threads, it's been proven that some of the more evangelical leaning have no formal introduction to theological education at the base level within Christianity. Not saying everyone, just a few. Even a handful of the atheists here are so stubborn that they haven't expanded into any other realm of religion just for the sake of exploration.

You can ask Bible beaters about their interpretation of the Eucharist to get a good idea of their background. No Confirmation, no Bar/Bat Mitzvah as a religious "coming of age". (BTW, what's Islam's equivalent?) Personally, I find it more respectable to have a more well-rounded idea of the circumstances than planting your feet in defiance.

Don't worry. You're fine.

Not a creationist. Just tossing that out there...
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By Ramyrez 2014-09-22 10:07:52
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Resources and Power.

Religion is just another man-made tool for controlling resources and power.

What's a better resource or power source than people? They can get you all the other resources as long as they believe hard enough in your message.


Edit: Dammit. I told myself I was only going to respond with pictures. Ah well.

Have another Cthulhu Mythos image for the *** of it.

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By Fenrir.Mariane 2014-09-22 10:10:50
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Ramyrez said: »
Religion is just another man-made tool for controlling resources and power.

What's a better resource or power source than people? They can get you all the other resources as long as they believe hard enough in your message.

Whole video game series were made around that concept.

Age of Empires came to my mind as I read your post.

Edit: (I meant "resources and power") before people misread me.

Edit2: I only replied to this thread because the thought of people believing in "creationism" as an absolute truth irritates me greatly.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-09-22 10:16:26
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Whole video game series were made around that concept.



Seriously, no matter where my ancestors have been this country keeps declaring war on us. Why England, why?????
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-09-22 10:18:19
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Almost looks like a dating sim in royal theme.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-09-22 10:19:42
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
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Whole video game series were made around that concept.


WHAT? Errr...That's not Victoria. :/

300 years off and a Tudor is definitely not Saxe-Coburg-Gotha-Hannover-German-German-German.
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By Ramyrez 2014-09-22 10:19:59
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Fenrir.Mariane said: »
Ramyrez said: »
Religion is just another man-made tool for controlling resources and power.

What's a better resource or power source than people? They can get you all the other resources as long as they believe hard enough in your message.

Whole video game series were made around that concept.

Age of Empires came to my mind as I read your post.

Edit: (I meant "resources and power") before people misread me.

Edit2: I only replied to this thread because the thought of people believing in "creationism" as an absolute truth irritates me greatly.

Welcome to the rational human being club.

be careful outside of FFXI AH 50% of Americans are creationist in the United States.

Number seems high. At least depending how broadly or narrowly you define "creationist".

If you broaden it so far as to say "science as we understand it is largely correct, but God made it happen that way", is it still creationism? Or are we only defining it as "God made people whole, as-is, ready to go"?

The former I'd see up to 50% or more. The later I can't see as a huge number, though the number is sadly growing.

"Young Earth" nonsense really is a fairly new movement. The Vatican acknowledges the Old Testament and the story of Creation as allegory and has for many years. I realize they don't speak for all Christians, but when you stop and consider how long they've been running the show, and that the creationists are largely zealous sects of modern American protestantism...

50% seems far, far too high.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-09-22 10:21:41
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Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
WHAT? Errr...That's not Victoria. :/

It's a shoop, that's Elizabeth I in the game.

Jeez Zah, what a nerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrd.
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By fonewear 2014-09-22 10:26:41
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See the thing is we have had this discussion about 50,000 times and we are just repeating the same thing over and over.
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By Fenrir.Mariane 2014-09-22 10:27:03
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Asura.Refreshazure said: »
Welcome to the rational human being club.

be careful outside of FFXI AH 50% of Americans are creationist in the United States.

I'm also a bit jaded with the Anglican church because it was somehow one of the reasons our family "split". This country used to be mostly Christian but now Anglican has been growing consistently in influence. One of the President candidates (Marina Silva) has a strong Anglican background and she has real chances of winning.

Anyway it's all about the tithe. It's why they try to seize control over the life of their believers. So they can absorb more of their resources over a long period of time.

I am well aware of how it is on U.S. with the creationism movements on Schools and such. Sometimes TV here shows it on the TV with a tone of sarcasm that "creationism is winning in USA".

This world sure is complex. You probably noticed that besides my family being Christian I am more of atheist myself. I do respect religion as it's also a cultural manifestation. I just don't want any participation on it.
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By Nazrious 2014-09-22 10:27:53
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Ever wonder why history books lack wars involving Christians and Buddhist until far into the modern age.

Look at a map it does not make logistical sense when there are so many closer people to hate and war with. Religion is not the cause of war.

People next to each other will grow to hate each other. Place Atheist and other Atheist side by side and they would war over the true color of rice.

People need no reason to war, it just helps the rulers spur on the enslaved.

BTW Haliburton really loves America, who says money can't buy love.
Long live the corporation, down with the citizen.

This thread neads more Atheistic Islamic Jewish Jesus love.
He thinks God does not exist therefore he exists, BOOM!

The true quote goes along the lines of "I doubt therefore, I am."

People need to doubt and think rather than believe.
Belief is the mind Killer. Thats right I went Dune on your ***.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-09-22 10:28:26
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Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
WHAT? Errr...That's not Victoria. :/

It's a shoop, that's Elizabeth I in the game.

Jeez Zah, what a nerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrd.

Hey! Why do you think I like GoT?

You got your Medicis, Potozis (sp?), Plantagenet, Tudors, etc. The gang is all here!
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By Ramyrez 2014-09-22 10:29:34
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fonewear said: »
See the thing is we have had this discussion about 50,000 times and we are just repeating the same thing over and over.

Says the guy who keeps using "Feminism" and "The Huffington Post" as a punch line repeatedly.
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By fonewear 2014-09-22 10:32:15
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Not always sometimes it is global warming. Gay fascism Republicans Muslims and so on. Taking anything serious on this site is bad for your health.

If I wanted a serious discussion I'd go to the serious discussion forums.
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By Ramyrez 2014-09-22 10:32:17
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People next to each other will grow to hatejealous of each other's things.

Fixed that.

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Belief is the mind Killer

Fear is the mind killer.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2014-09-22 10:32:44
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Ramyrez said: »

Number seems high. At least depending how broadly or narrowly you define "creationist".

If you broaden it so far as to say "science as we understand it is largely correct, but God made it happen that way", is it still creationism? Or are we only defining it as "God made people whole, as-is, ready to go"?

The former I'd see up to 50% or more. The later I can't see as a huge number, though the number is sadly growing.

"Young Earth" nonsense really is a fairly new movement. The Vatican acknowledges the Old Testament and the story of Creation as allegory and has for many years. I realize they don't speak for all Christians, but when you stop and consider how long they've been running the show, and that the creationists are largely zealous sects of modern American protestantism...

50% seems far, far too high.
Here is a historic sampling from Gallop on creationism, evolution, and intelligent design polls.

How young or old a movement is doesn't really have much bearing (and it started after WWI). Creationists are very vocal and when you can infiltrate and influence education children have no frame of reference for something different. Especially if 'intellectuals' are demonized and you send your children to religious colleges or only allow a religious social structure.
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By Nazrious 2014-09-22 10:35:34
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Ramyrez said: »
fonewear said: »
See the thing is we have had this discussion about 50,000 times and we are just repeating the same thing over and over.

Says the guy who keeps using "Feminism" and "The Huffington Post" as a punch line repeatedly.

Whats wrong with Feminism?

I love women and I'm all for them existing and having the right to be women. Otherwise it would just be a bunch of men sitting around talking about silly things like evolution and creationism as absolutes.
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By fonewear 2014-09-22 10:36:36
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When I say feminism I'm talking about the fringe the crazed ones that take it too far.
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By Ramyrez 2014-09-22 10:36:54
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How young or old a movement is doesn't really have much bearing. Creationists are very vocal and when you can infiltrate and influence education children have no frame of reference for something different. Especially if 'intellectuals' are demonized and you send your children to religious colleges or only allow a religious social structure.

I'm not doubting this, I'm just saying that it's not like vaguely just saying "Christianity" or "Muslim/Islam" or w/e. It's a very specific subset of people. In this case, it's like a special idiot's club within Protestantism.

I'm just saying that how broadly you define creationism -- and how fervently those people classifying themselves as such try to push it -- matters.

C'mon. This is me. I'm not going to defend religion just because I feel like it. I just think the 50% number is overstated.

Or maybe I'm in denial, I'm not sure which.
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By Nazrious 2014-09-22 10:39:34
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Ramyrez said: »
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People next to each other will grow to hatejealous of each other's things.

Fixed that.

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Belief is the mind Killer

Fear is the mind killer.

You fixed nothing. Jelousy does not put a gun in the hand of a 9 year old and force him to kill, hate does, its isn't always about things more often its about control and power. One forcing another to follow their demands.

"Fear is the Mind killer" is what paul thinks when being tested but I wrote "Belief is the mind Killer."
It was to make a point...

/woosh.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-09-22 10:39:37
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Asura.Refreshazure said: »
well Kooljack ran off Six pages ago

I wonder if he killed himself and became Miss Argentina....


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By Bahamut.Kara 2014-09-22 10:40:26
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Ramyrez said: »
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How young or old a movement is doesn't really have much bearing. Creationists are very vocal and when you can infiltrate and influence education children have no frame of reference for something different. Especially if 'intellectuals' are demonized and you send your children to religious colleges or only allow a religious social structure.

I'm not doubting this, I'm just saying that it's not like vaguely just saying "Christianity" or "Muslim/Islam" or w/e. It's a very specific subset of people. In this case, it's like a special idiot's club within Protestantism.

I'm just saying that how broadly you define creationism -- and how fervently those people classifying themselves as such try to push it -- matters.

C'mon. This is me. I'm not going to defend religion just because I feel like it. I just think the 50% number is overstated.

Or maybe I'm in denial, I'm not sure which.
Oh, I didn't post link.
Sorry!
http://www.gallup.com/poll/21814/Evolution-Creationism-Intelligent-Design.aspx

Also, yeah, it doesn't ask you how you identify but what you think is true.

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Also, not saying 50% is correct number. Just providing link on past polls and opinion on how a movement that's been around a few decades can get intertwined pretty quickly
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By Ramyrez 2014-09-22 10:40:28
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Nazrious said: »
Ramyrez said: »
fonewear said: »
See the thing is we have had this discussion about 50,000 times and we are just repeating the same thing over and over.

Says the guy who keeps using "Feminism" and "The Huffington Post" as a punch line repeatedly.

Whats wrong with Feminism?

I love women and I'm all for them existing and having the right to be women. Otherwise it would just be a bunch of men sitting around talking about silly things like evolution and creationism as absolutes.

Instead we have men and women in the discussion! Yays!

But really, yeah. When he says it, he's talking about extreme feminists, and most of the time it's a facetious response on top of that.
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By fonewear 2014-09-22 10:43:19
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There are women on the internet...they just pretend to be men. Or vice versa.
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By Ramyrez 2014-09-22 10:45:43
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Nazrious said: »
Ramyrez said: »
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People next to each other will grow to hatejealous of each other's things.

Fixed that.

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Belief is the mind Killer

Fear is the mind killer.

You fixed nothing. Jelousy does not put a gun in the hand of a 9 year old and force him to kill, hate does, its isn't always about things more often its about control and power. One forcing another to follow their demands.

Control, power, resources, land, whatever you want to call it. Religion is a means to control people in order to thereby control more resources.

You stated that people live next to each other and that inheirantly causes hate because apparently you seem to think that people just can't live in peace and will war over anything.

You're wrong.


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"Fear is the Mind killer" is what paul thinks when being tested but I wrote "Belief is the mind Killer."
It was to make a point...

/woosh.

There was no "whoosh". Your ad-libbed a book quote. Changes the meaning of the quote. There may be some overlap in the idea you were trying to express and the point of the quote, but still. Doesn't work there. At least in my mind.
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By Nazrious 2014-09-22 10:46:00
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Ramyrez said: »
Nazrious said: »
Ramyrez said: »
fonewear said: »
See the thing is we have had this discussion about 50,000 times and we are just repeating the same thing over and over.

Says the guy who keeps using "Feminism" and "The Huffington Post" as a punch line repeatedly.

Whats wrong with Feminism?

I love women and I'm all for them existing and having the right to be women. Otherwise it would just be a bunch of men sitting around talking about silly things like evolution and creationism as absolutes.

Instead we have men and women in the discussion! Yays!

But really, yeah. When he says it, he's talking about extreme feminists, and most of the time it's a facetious response on top of that.


/woosh...

I think some people need to go worship in the temple of sarcasm and mocking.

Anyway anyone can argue anything doesn't mean they are right or wrong.

"de asini umbra disceptare"
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