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Revisionist history and Texas' proposed textbooks
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-12 09:37:31
eh, probably perpetrated by a left leaning group who wishes to portray Columbus as a rapist of Indians, thanksgiving as meat murder, and Christmas as a celebration of "winter solstice".
The textbook bias runs both ways, considering the education sector is full of liberals anyways, I wouldn't be surprised if this was mostly smoke and mirrors.
Thanksgiving as meat murder is laughable, but historical facts are historical facts.
Columbus was a rapist (child rapist, at that), and Christmas is situated where it is to piggy back it upon traditions older than Christianity. To reduce the significance of Columbus to a rapist and pillager of the Indians, or Christmas to its mere coincidence with the winter solstice, is what I'm talking about. But whatever lets just ***all over traditional aspects of our education system. I'm sure it won't rot the culture a bit more. Hey it needed shitting on anyways amirite?
The only reason Colubus' reputation is getting reduced is because it was artificially inflated in the first place.
The only reason Columbus has a celebrated day is thanks to lobbyists for the Knights of Columbus.
Though hey. I guess he does represent some great Christian values.
And it's so very victimized Christian fundamentalist of you to think that broadening our scope of understanding about Christmas' history and traditions across many cultures lessens its value or meaning.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-09-12 09:38:26
Great job Columbus, you got lost and discovered an inhabited island, celebrate!
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-12 09:40:23
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By Bahamut.Kara 2014-09-12 09:53:27
I suppose my 4th Grade teacher (one of my absolute favorites) would have been fired for teaching a six week segment on Greek and Roman mythology by today's standards. :/ Granted, high school was over ten years ago for me now, no more than a week or so after 9/11, my US History teacher made it a point to review and refresh our Middle Eastern history from the previous year. Yeah, world religions class was one of favorites from high school, along with humanities and asian humanities.
My history classes were awesome though, partly because it was related to my magnet program.
Example:
One of my classes covering WWII we held a mock election. Kids were chosen to repeat some of the same speeches used during the election that Hitler won. Only we were not told which politician was responsible for which speech.
After the vote was counted....we had all voted for Hitler.
It was embarrassing, eye opening, and...educational.
Part of learning about history is to learn from past mistakes. I'd rather future generations make new mistakes, not keep repeating the ones their parents and grandparents made.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-09-12 10:01:34
Part of learning about history is to learn from past mistakes. I'd rather future generations make new mistakes, not keep repeating the ones their parents and grandparents made.
Some would argue the evil you know is preferable to the evil you don't. That said, there have been so many generations before, it's hard to make new mistakes.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-09-12 10:12:44
Irony of that is if they aren't taught the mistakes of the past and repeat them...its still qualifies as evil you don't know.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-09-12 10:13:33
I suppose my 4th Grade teacher (one of my absolute favorites) would have been fired for teaching a six week segment on Greek and Roman mythology by today's standards. :/ Granted, high school was over ten years ago for me now, no more than a week or so after 9/11, my US History teacher made it a point to review and refresh our Middle Eastern history from the previous year. Yeah, world religions class was one of favorites from high school, along with humanities and asian humanities.
My history classes were awesome though, partly because it was related to my magnet program.
Example:
One of my classes covering WWII we held a mock election. Kids were chosen to repeat some of the same speeches used during the election that Hitler won. Only we were not told which politician was responsible for which speech.
After the vote was counted....we had all voted for Hitler.
It was embarrassing, eye opening, and...educational.
Part of learning about history is to learn from past mistakes. I'd rather future generations make new mistakes, not keep repeating the ones their parents and grandparents made.
Every time we do a compare and contrast of state-to-state curricula (like the thread where we compared required literature), I start seeing many of the discrepancies. I remember Onorgul pointing out that our required reading was very American-centric, and by-golly! He was right!
Our school was rated "Exemplary", but we weren't offered World Religions, Humanities, or Asian Humanities. I was in a semi-rural district (or it was at the time). The social studies at the high school level included were:
Geography (Regulars/Honors/Pre-AP)
World History (Regulars/Honors/Pre-AP)
US History (Regulars/Honors/AP)
Government (Regulars/Honors/AP(Half semester))
Economics (Regulars/Honors/AP(Half semester))
*Psychology
*Sociology
*European History (AP)
(*)Electives
EDIT: If you qualified in middle school, you could start at the Freshman level curriculum in 8th grade. So, there's that...
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By Sylph.Safiyyah 2014-09-12 10:18:24
Yuck. Can we maybe force Texas to secede? Or perhaps Mexico will buy them back for a deep discount.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-09-12 10:19:53
I suppose my 4th Grade teacher (one of my absolute favorites) would have been fired for teaching a six week segment on Greek and Roman mythology by today's standards. :/ Granted, high school was over ten years ago for me now, no more than a week or so after 9/11, my US History teacher made it a point to review and refresh our Middle Eastern history from the previous year. Yeah, world religions class was one of favorites from high school, along with humanities and asian humanities.
My history classes were awesome though, partly because it was related to my magnet program.
Example:
One of my classes covering WWII we held a mock election. Kids were chosen to repeat some of the same speeches used during the election that Hitler won. Only we were not told which politician was responsible for which speech.
After the vote was counted....we had all voted for Hitler.
It was embarrassing, eye opening, and...educational.
Part of learning about history is to learn from past mistakes. I'd rather future generations make new mistakes, not keep repeating the ones their parents and grandparents made. One of my teachers made us watch a film called "The Wave". Actually it wasn't a movie but more of an old after school special (high school being almost 20 years ago for me a this point). Portrayed how a group of people could be manipulated to elect a charismatic person like Hitler. I saw the remake a few years ago which was terrible.
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By volkom 2014-09-12 10:20:08
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-12 10:26:58
Trying to remember high school. Dammit why was it so long ago. ._.;
Sticking with the * for electives, my non-science/math classes:
- World Cultures
- American History through the Civil War
- Jr. Social Studies (modern American history + culture exploration)
- Sr. Social Studies (government and civics, poltics)
- "Geo"* (sort of a broad humanities course, lots of personal exploration of beliefs, really neat class)
- English 9-12 (Regular/Honors; not enough people for AP)
- Foreign Languages 1-3, 4* (Spanish(what I took), German, French offered)
- Great Books* (edit: remembered the name! It was a literature exploration class.)
- Journalism*
- Theater*
- General art classes*
- Band*/Orchestra*/Choir* (I did band/choir)
- AP Economics* (only AP offered)
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-12 10:28:04
I suppose my 4th Grade teacher (one of my absolute favorites) would have been fired for teaching a six week segment on Greek and Roman mythology by today's standards. :/ Granted, high school was over ten years ago for me now, no more than a week or so after 9/11, my US History teacher made it a point to review and refresh our Middle Eastern history from the previous year. Yeah, world religions class was one of favorites from high school, along with humanities and asian humanities.
My history classes were awesome though, partly because it was related to my magnet program.
Example:
One of my classes covering WWII we held a mock election. Kids were chosen to repeat some of the same speeches used during the election that Hitler won. Only we were not told which politician was responsible for which speech.
After the vote was counted....we had all voted for Hitler.
It was embarrassing, eye opening, and...educational.
Part of learning about history is to learn from past mistakes. I'd rather future generations make new mistakes, not keep repeating the ones their parents and grandparents made. One of my teachers made us watch a film called "The Wave". Actually it wasn't a movie but more of an old after school special (high school being almost 20 years ago for me a this point). Portrayed how a group of people could be manipulated to elect a charismatic person like Hitler. I saw the remake a few years ago which was terrible.
Should just watch the Twilight Zone episode "He's Alive" with a very young Dennis Hopper.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-12 10:29:14
You guys really need to reign in some of the people representing your state nationally.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-09-12 10:29:17
I forgot if you were a TAAS kid or a TAKS kid in HS.
You guys really need to reign in some of the people representing your state nationally.
I remember you asking why Texas is a recurring topic here yesterday. IDK why, but do you see why FFXIAH's resident Texans all ban together and make with the "inside" shits and gigs when these threads rear their ugly heads, despite personal political ideology? LOL!
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By volkom 2014-09-12 10:33:56
Trying to remember high school. Dammit why was it so long ago. ._.;
Sticking with the * for electives, my non-science/math classes:
English 1-4 Regular/Honors (not enough people for AP my senior year)
- World Cultures
- American History through the Civil War
- Jr. Social Studies (modern American history + culture exploration)
- Sr. Social Studies (government and civics, poltics)
- "Geo"* (sort of a broad humanities course, lots of personal exploration of beliefs, really neat class)
- English 9-12 (Regular/Honors; not enough people for AP)
- Foreign Languages 1-3, 4* (Spanish, German, French offered)
- Literature Exploration* (I forget what it was called, but this was the gist)
- Journalism*
- Theater*
- General art classes*
- Band*/Orchestra*/Choir*
- AP Economics* (only AP offered)
At my high school iirc~
-English 9-12(Regular/AP)
-Math 9-12(Regular/AP:calc.1/statistics)
-History (world geography/world history/US history/govt/economics with AP courses)
-Science 9-12(bio/chem/physics with AP. also had like low intro courses to medicine)
-Foreign languages 1-3, 4* (french,german,spanish)
-journalism
-theater
-general art and multimedia
-computer science
-internetworking
-CAD
-welding/trade skill courses
-misc electives like hotel&business management, communication, broadcasting, culinary.
-athletics&gym
@Ms.Z
in highschool TAKS
before that was like TAAS? or w/e iono the order of them any more. always got commendable or w/e score
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-09-12 10:38:33
Good one Ramyrez.
Part of learning about history is to learn from past mistakes. I'd rather future generations make new mistakes, not keep repeating the ones their parents and grandparents made. Some would argue the evil you know is preferable to the evil you don't. That said, there have been so many generations before, it's hard to make new mistakes. "The only thing we learn from the study of history is that we learn nothing from history." - From my first day of history 101.
By fonewear 2014-09-12 10:38:53
High school we studied goth kids jocks cheerleaders and occasionally History.
By Vudoku 2014-09-12 10:40:00
I'm waiting for one of these students to get a college scholarship...err non-academic...to a college outside of Texas and for the ensuing cultural arguments to wind up on youtube for everyone's enjoyment. I can almost imagine every statement the Texas student makes starting with "mama says". I believe that TX supplies a significant majority of the text books to the entire country?
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-09-12 10:42:05
all I remember studying was women.
>.<
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By Bahamut.Kara 2014-09-12 10:45:09
Every time we do a compare and contrast of state-to-state curricula (like the thread where we compared required literature), I start seeing many of the discrepancies. I remember Onorgul pointing out that our required reading was very American-centric, and by-golly! He was right!
Our school was rated "Exemplary", but we weren't offered World Religions, Humanities, or Asian Humanities. I was in a semi-rural district (or it was at the time). The social studies at the high school level included were:
Geography (Regulars/Honors/Pre-AP)
World History (Regulars/Honors/Pre-AP)
US History (Regulars/Honors/AP)
Government (Regulars/Honors/AP(Half semester))
Economics (Regulars/Honors/AP(Half semester))
*Psychology
*Sociology
*European History (AP)
(*)Electives I graduated with more courses than necessary. Pretty sure this is all of them.
9th grade
World religions (1/2 semester, magnet only)
World geography (1/2 semester, magnet only)
World history (1 year)
10th grade
European history (1 year, magnet only)
Modern culture (1 year, covered outside US current news stories, magnet only)
11th grade
American history (1 year)
Economics (1/2 semester)
Political science/US government thing (1/2 semester)
12th grade
Asian humanities (1/2 semester, college credit, magnet only)
Humanities (1/2 semester, college credit, magnet only)
International final project course (magnet only, covered any international concept we voted on and then a final research paper we wrote individually covering US versus other countries)
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By volkom 2014-09-12 10:45:55
all I remember studying was women.
>.< the majority of girls from my graduating class all ended up pregnant or didn't go to college. The ones that did go to college most of them dropped out freshmen year. And the ones who did graduate are almost all jobless atm
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By fonewear 2014-09-12 10:47:58
College is just a very expensive vacation one that get more expensive every year...
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Siren.Mosin
By Siren.Mosin 2014-09-12 10:48:23
jesus, it's only a glass ceiling, if only they'd had more upper body strength.....
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-12 10:51:08
all I remember studying was women.
>.< the majority of girls from my graduating class all ended up pregnant or didn't go to college. The ones that did go to college most of them dropped out freshmen year. And the ones who did graduate are almost all jobless atm
Most of the girls I graduated with went to college, but many of them are now stay-at-home mommies (ugh) after working for 5-10 years. Some of them are working mommies.
They're almost all to a person, however, mommies. And identify primarily as such.
And that's so very, very sad.
Siren.Mosin
By Siren.Mosin 2014-09-12 10:51:34
By fonewear 2014-09-12 10:52:50
Need stricter breeding laws. That will stop them !
How about a no breed zone ?
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-12 10:54:42
I edited my post a little, but yes.
When "Alex's mommy" is your primary identification, that -- to me -- is horrifying.
When you're asked to describe yourself, I expect something like, "I'm a speach language pathologist, equestrian, avid hiker and mother of two."
Not, "I'm Alex and Tina's mother."
The difference is subtle in some ways but, to me, powerful.
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By volkom 2014-09-12 10:55:53
I think my mom always referred to herself as 'The Homemaker' when asked what she does.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-09-12 10:58:43
I think my mom always referred to herself as 'The Homemaker' when asked what she does.
Even that's better to me.
It implies that while you may be at home all day, you're doing something. Home upkeep, errands and chores that need done, cooking/cleaning, taking care of children, maybe even some yardwork and the like.
"Stay-at-home-mom" to me implies someone hanging out in yoga pants all day and playing peek-a-boo, watching (what do kids watch these days? Teletubbies? Dora?), and then watching Maury while you make the kids take a nap.
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-09-12 10:59:19
I edited my post a little
makes more sense now, I'll stfu.
Texas' State Board of Education is considering new textbooks. The proposed books were reviewed by an outside source (Texas Freedom Network), and the following are their findings:
http://www.tfn.org/site/DocServer/FINAL_executivesummary.pdf?docID=4625
Quote: Findings
Our reviewers’ broad findings noted below are followed by a listing of specific examples of problems they identified during their examination of the textbooks up for adoption in Texas:
• A number of government and world history textbooks exaggerate Judeo-Christian influence on the nation’s founding and Western political tradition.
• Two government textbooks include misleading information that undermines the Constitutional concept of the separation of church and state.
• Several world history and world geography textbooks include biased statements that inappropriately portray Islam and Muslims negatively.
• All of the world geography textbooks inaccurately downplay the role that conquest played in the spread of Christianity.
• Several world geography and history textbooks suffer from an incomplete - and often inaccurate – account of religions other than Christianity.
• Coverage of key Christian concepts and historical events are lacking in a few textbooks, often due to the assumption that all students are Christians and already familiar with Christian events and doctrine.
• A few government and U.S. history textbooks suffer from an uncritical celebration of the free enterprise system, both by ignoring legitimate problems that exist in capitalism and failing to include coverage of government’s role in the U.S. economic system.
• One government textbook flirts with contemporary Tea Party ideology, particularly regarding the inclusion of anti‐taxation and anti‐regulation arguments.
• One world history textbook includes outdated – and possibly offensive – anthropological categories and racial terminology in describing African civilizations.
• A number of U.S. history textbooks evidence a general lack of attention to Native American peoples and culture and occasionally include biased or misleading information.
• One government textbook (Pearson) includes a biased – verging on offensive – treatment of affirmative action.
• Most U.S. history textbooks do a poor job of covering the history of LGBT citizens in discussions of efforts to achieve civil rights in this country.
• Elements of the Texas curriculum standards give undue legitimacy to neo-Confederate arguments about “states’ rights” and the legacy of slavery in the South. While most publishers avoid problems with these issues, passages in a few U.S. history and government textbooks give a nod to these misleading arguments. I'd quote more (and there's plenty more worth reading) but the .pdf doesn't transfer text well to FFXIAH. I'd suggest giving a look to the "What's Wrong?" section at the very least.
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