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How are personal firearms going to help against a militarized police force?
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It's sad how so much history can be distorted to perverse the truth of the 2nd amendment, are you that afraid to be wrong Jassik that you'll contort to these delusions of known facts and history?
are you that scared of guns? Leviathan.Chaosx said: » How are personal firearms going to help against a militarized police force? There's 2 parts to that that should be addressed: one being the ATF and their unconstitutional restrictions and seizures of weapons from constitutionally protected people, and the other part of militarizing the police in the lolwarondrugs. edit: just to be clear: I'm not talking about cartels. Jetackuu said: » Odin.Jassik said: » Jetackuu said: » I'll put it this way: it does not say the right of the militia, nor the right of the state, but the right of the people. It means the right of the people, again: reading is hard... It's referring to the need of militia to maintain a state of readiness, guaranteeing them the right to keep and bear arms. I love how you continually read only half of the clause without regard to the context established by the first half. I like how you keep thinking the second is dependent upon the first, when it's the other way around. I read both parts, yet I understand them as they were written, and intended. It was meant for the people to be able to rise against the government. You're only half right, state militia were intended to protect the sovereignty of a state from all foes. The actual language is "invaders, domestic or foreign". But, you're missing the point, and some minimal research would clarify it, the 2nd amendment was originally written to ensure that a militia could maintain a state of readiness. The reason it was worded the way it was is because the need to be sufficiently conditioned and practiced put a burden on citizens daily lives if they could not keep and bear arms. It wasn't illegal to have weapons for personal reasons, but it wasn't a protected right at that time. It is now, thanks to those unlawful arbiters. Oh it's the other sideliner. Come on in. We're having a conversation.
I'm not missing any point, and I'm 100% on the mark. The right to bear arms has nothing to do with your concept of militias.
It has been a constitutionally protected right since 1791. Jetackuu said: » It's sad how so much history can be distorted to perverse the truth of the 2nd amendment, are you that afraid to be wrong Jassik that you'll contort to these delusions of known facts and history? are you that scared of guns? Again, I own guns. That's a pathetic deflection. Odin.Jassik said: » Jetackuu said: » It's sad how so much history can be distorted to perverse the truth of the 2nd amendment, are you that afraid to be wrong Jassik that you'll contort to these delusions of known facts and history? are you that scared of guns? Again, I own guns. That's a pathetic deflection. Jetackuu said: » Odin.Zicdeh said: » Jetackuu said: » Your idea of accountability is quite frankly moronic. A gun seller is no more at fault of a customer's crime than a grocer is at fault for you being obese. Bad analogy, being obese isn't a crime, there is rationale behind charging gun sellers with crimes such as accessory to murder-assault if the weapon they sold is used in the act. A better analogy would be holding the the car dealership responsible for the Farmers Market 500 massacres just because their car was used. That's your opinion, I happen to disagree with your assessment. But that one works as well. It's not my opinion, it's just kinda a thing that's true. Unless you're going to argue that accessory crimes don't exist. I wouldn't support holding legal gun sellers accountable for the actions of their customers anyway, I'm very much pro-armed citizenry, as the core ideology that the/a government's power is "on loan" from the people is ineffective without satisfactory leverage against the recipient of said loan. The only reason why words have power is because force is typically the least desirable means to coerce a group. I think we got off the point Zic, and it's way too late in the night to start an argument with you. As I think we agree otherwise.
Sorry if you were looking for some bait. Jetackuu said: » I think we got off the point Zic, and it's way too late in the night to start an argument with you. As I think we agree otherwise. Sorry if you were looking for some bait. I already had a bate about 20 minutes ago. ifyouknowwhatimean.jpg
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As far as accessory crimes go there's a degree of knowledge needed before one can be convicted. It would need to be proven that the seller of the firearm had some knowledge as to the intent of the gun purchaser.
If I sold a gun to Zic and during the course of the transaction he divulged that his intent for the firearm was to specifically harm someone and I continue that transaction then I would be criminally liable as an accessory to the crime. A responsible legal firearms dealer would discontinue the sale and contact authorities immediately. Sorry to continue the derailing of the original topic, had to chime in though.
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Have we come to the point of the gun debate that the anti-gun nuts out there believe that, without legal sale of guns, criminals would abide by these laws and not purchase or procure guns for their illegal activities yet?
Those arguments are always good for a laugh.
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the problem with anti-gun nuts is they believe taking guns away from law abiding citizens will keep criminals from having guns. criminals don't buy guns from gun shops unless they do so before becoming criminals. they think if guns are not in stores then people can't buy them. cocaine Meth and heroin are not sold in stores but people sure can buy them just about anywhere.
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wormfeeder said: » the problem with anti-gun nuts is they believe taking guns away from law abiding citizens will keep criminals from having guns. criminals don't buy guns from gun shops unless they do so before becoming criminals. they think if guns are not in stores then people can't buy them. cocaine Meth and heroin are not sold in stores but people sure can buy them just about anywhere. Yeah, but ask most gun nuts about legalizing or otherwise regulating drugs rather than just banning them outright. They lose their god damn minds. It's a two-way street. *I'm not a "regulate all firearms" person, for the record. Just stating the ignorance on each side of this debate accordingly. My favorite gun nut is pecan.
Fenrir.Candlejack said: » The problem with mentally defective gun nuts is they believe that, by doing absolutely nothing, the problems guns cause will all just vanish on their own. Fenrir.Candlejack said: » Know what they say, right? The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, while expecting different results. Did you come to this conclusion by observing yourself? Fenrir.Candlejack said: » Most illegally obtained guns start off as legally obtained. Strangle the ability to legally obtain, then what happens? That's right! The criminals can't illegally purchase a Bushmaster, because there'd be no Bushmasters around to break in and steal! Funny how that works, isn't it? That's what the Brady bill would've accomplished had it been given another ten years on the books. Yup, figured as much. Take away all guns from America, and criminals will start importing (you do know what that means, right?) the guns from other countries. Plus the fact that now homeowners will have zero defense from any intruder, criminals will now start breaking into more homes more rapidly, as their is no immediate danger to their lives. Haven't thought of that little tidbit, have you? So, let me ask you this, do you feel safer without a gun in your home when a burglar breaks into your house? Plus, you still haven't answered my earlier question about why you think Texas is so bad. I guess you do not have an answer because you are too blind to reality, and can only parrot what others say. Asura.Kingnobody said: » Fenrir.Candlejack said: » The problem with mentally defective gun nuts is they believe that, by doing absolutely nothing, the problems guns cause will all just vanish on their own. Fenrir.Candlejack said: » Know what they say, right? The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, while expecting different results. Did you come to this conclusion by observing yourself? Fenrir.Candlejack said: » Most illegally obtained guns start off as legally obtained. Strangle the ability to legally obtain, then what happens? That's right! The criminals can't illegally purchase a Bushmaster, because there'd be no Bushmasters around to break in and steal! Funny how that works, isn't it? That's what the Brady bill would've accomplished had it been given another ten years on the books. Yup, figured as much. Take away all guns from America, and criminals will start importing (you do know what that means, right?) the guns from other countries. Plus the fact that now homeowners will have zero defense from any intruder, criminals will now start breaking into more homes more rapidly, as their is no immediate danger to their lives. Haven't thought of that little tidbit, have you? So, let me ask you this, do you feel safer without a gun in your home when a burglar breaks into your house? Plus, you still haven't answered my earlier question about why you think Texas is so bad. I guess you do not have an answer because you are too blind to reality, and can only parrot what others say. Caitsith.Shiroi said: » I don't understand why there's so much hate toward them. Some people never go beyond puberty and will continue to hate authority regardless.
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I'm a Canadian. We have... Mounties as our national police force.
I think that speaks volumes as to the level of trust we have, since we can only really rely on our military to come out to shovel snow in Toronto. Or deliver timbits internationally to allied military forces, serve as peacekeepers, or... deliver timbits to allied military forces. Asura.Kingnobody said: » Caitsith.Shiroi said: » I don't understand why there's so much hate toward them. Some people never go beyond puberty and will continue to hate authority regardless. And sometimes the authority figures havent gotten past puberty either, so they just shift that mistrust upon the people they're supposedly out to protect and serve, and instead turn it into a "bully with a badge" position. Really, so many of the threads we have here would be over so much quicker if we could all just acknowledge "people everywhere, in all stations of life, suck". We could get on with the talking about television, and food, and sexybits. Bismarck.Bloodrose said: » I'm a Canadian. We have... Mounties as our national police force. I think that speaks volumes as to the level of trust we have, since we can only really rely on our military to come out to shovel snow in Toronto. Or deliver timbits internationally to allied military forces, serve as peacekeepers, or... deliver timbits to allied military forces. Why is your military not engaged in a foreign aid mission right this very second delivering Timbits to me? Dunkin Donuts is a *** pathetic stand-in. ;;
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I believe there was a movement started by members of the US military expressing a large desire for Tim Horton's to expand in the US, and plans are supposed to be entering their final stages...
but man, people wanting to cancel that NAFTA ***makes it hard. We'd have to charge a 1.85 US to pay for the tariff for every 10 cent timbit that crosses the border. Bismarck.Bloodrose said: » I believe there was a movement started by members of the US military expressing a large desire for Tim Horton's to expand in the US, and plans are supposed to be entering their final stages... but man, people wanting to cancel that NAFTA ***makes it hard. We'd have to charge a 1.85 US to pay for the tariff for every 10 cent timbit that crosses the border. Oh please. Western New York and the Erie area (and I'm assuming pretty much every other state along the border) already have Tim Horton's. The bigger issue is simply that Dunkin Donuts has a stranglehold and keeps them from expanding into this area. Same way Giant-***-Eagle keeps all the good grocery stores out of the Pittsburgh area. You guys can keep your Tim Horton's and Duncan Donuts, until they figure out how to make a good kolache.
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