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By Odin.Jassik 2014-08-18 16:17:51
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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Anyone want to see videos of dead Ukrainian babies or dozens of Iraqi children being decapitated? Oh wait they are not violent obese junkies, never mind.

I think we would all rather see this happening to you.
So, where's the outrage on Viciousss on his twisted viewpoints?

Oh right, he is a liberal, so it's par for the course. Carry on, nothing to see here.

You could try waiting more than 2 minutes before claiming such things, but that would be prudent. However, if Deces had presenting his points with some level of tact, people would probably be more willing to point out when someone says something rude in response.
By volkom 2014-08-18 16:18:29
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the yahoo comments about this event are the best:

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So witnesses claim the cop got mad, backed his car to Brown, grabbed this little 6,4 300lb man by the neck (while sitting in his car, tried to pull him into his car (not sure what the end game was but it must have been magical), then Brown got free, ran, turned to look at the cops whole running, got shot, the officer got out of his car, shot him a few more times and then executed him in the street?

That sounds really fcking hard to imagine. Also witnesses claimed that the commotion happened after the shooting, you would think an officer trying to wrangle a 6'4 man into a car would have caused something, or at least had someone pull a camera phone out and record some of the incident and not just the aftermath.
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Cops come through my neighborhood grabbing people all the time. I'm gonna start rioting. Momma needs a new pair of shoes.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-18 16:21:48
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Odin.Jassik said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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Lakshmi.Deces said: »
Anyone want to see videos of dead Ukrainian babies or dozens of Iraqi children being decapitated? Oh wait they are not violent obese junkies, never mind.

I think we would all rather see this happening to you.
So, where's the outrage on Viciousss on his twisted viewpoints?

Oh right, he is a liberal, so it's par for the course. Carry on, nothing to see here.

You could try waiting more than 2 minutes before claiming such things, but that would be prudent. However, if Deces had presenting his points with some level of tact, people would probably be more willing to point out when someone says something rude in response.
Except this is not the first time Vic said something that you would consider twisted. Shall I point on his first post in that genocide petition thread? How come he never gets the same level of scrutiny from you as volk did?
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-08-18 16:22:01
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
So, where's the outrage on Viciousss on his twisted viewpoints?

Oh right, he is a liberal, so it's par for the course. Carry on, nothing to see here.
You don't really get to take the high road when you seemingly support the initial comment. Besides, no one cares who says what to that waste of bandwith, Deces.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-18 16:23:56
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
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So, where's the outrage on Viciousss on his twisted viewpoints?

Oh right, he is a liberal, so it's par for the course. Carry on, nothing to see here.
You don't really get to take the high road when you seemingly support the initial comment. Besides, no one cares who says what to that waste of bandwith, Deces.
Except I never supported the initial comment. Care to prove otherwise?

Besides, if Deces is a waste of bandwidth, then you are a waste of natural resources.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-08-18 16:26:05
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Well, you rated it up so you either liked what he said or you, I dunno, enjoyed his prose.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-08-18 16:26:37
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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Anyone want to see videos of dead Ukrainian babies or dozens of Iraqi children being decapitated? Oh wait they are not violent obese junkies, never mind.

I think we would all rather see this happening to you.
So, where's the outrage on Viciousss on his twisted viewpoints?

Oh right, he is a liberal, so it's par for the course. Carry on, nothing to see here.

You could try waiting more than 2 minutes before claiming such things, but that would be prudent. However, if Deces had presenting his points with some level of tact, people would probably be more willing to point out when someone says something rude in response.
Except this is not the first time Vic said something that you would consider twisted. Shall I point on his first post in that genocide petition thread? How come he never gets the same level of scrutiny from you as volk did?

I honestly didn't even notice his post until after you made a big deal out of it. It isn't really necessary for me to comment on another example of the same thing I already addressed.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-08-18 16:30:05
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
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A small backpeddle for word choice, but my point remains through and through!

Backpedaling in the face of new evidence, how dare you call yourself a conservative? Stay the course!

Coming from the self-proclaimed conservative. You're not doing yourself any favors.

Sharing a jest is hardly a reflection on my political views. If you can't poke fun at yourself, how can you poke fun at others?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-08-18 16:32:45
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Shiva.Viciousss said: »
*snip*
What does this have to do with young black kids rioting and looting in St. Louis?
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-08-18 16:33:27
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Nothing.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-18 16:34:57
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Odin.Jassik said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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Anyone want to see videos of dead Ukrainian babies or dozens of Iraqi children being decapitated? Oh wait they are not violent obese junkies, never mind.

I think we would all rather see this happening to you.
So, where's the outrage on Viciousss on his twisted viewpoints?

Oh right, he is a liberal, so it's par for the course. Carry on, nothing to see here.

You could try waiting more than 2 minutes before claiming such things, but that would be prudent. However, if Deces had presenting his points with some level of tact, people would probably be more willing to point out when someone says something rude in response.
Except this is not the first time Vic said something that you would consider twisted. Shall I point on his first post in that genocide petition thread? How come he never gets the same level of scrutiny from you as volk did?

I honestly didn't even notice his post until after you made a big deal out of it. It isn't really necessary for me to comment on another example of the same thing I already addressed.
Then it is ok to make a big deal out of wanting to see if the kid was on drugs and hoping that he was, but it's perfectly ok to wipe out a whole society based on biased viewpoints.

Got it!
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-08-18 16:35:03
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LOL what?! How can the officer shoot the guy from above and behind. Was the officer on top of his car with a scope on his pistol? That's the most HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE thing I heard of today.
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One of the bullets entered his head and came out through his eye; another -- likely the fatal wound, Baden said -- struck Brown on the top of his head and caused irreparable damage to his brain.

Family attorney Benjamin Crump said Brown probably would have been either kneeling or bending forward when he was struck with those bullets.
same source

"entered his head and came out through his eye" leading him to fall over forward IMHO at which point "the fatal wound, Baden said -- struck Brown on the top of his head"

Volkom I come to only three possible conclusions.
1, you didn't read my link
2, you lack reading comprehension
3, the only HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE thing here is you
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-08-18 16:36:51
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Odin.Jassik said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
Shiva.Viciousss said: »
Lakshmi.Deces said: »
Anyone want to see videos of dead Ukrainian babies or dozens of Iraqi children being decapitated? Oh wait they are not violent obese junkies, never mind.

I think we would all rather see this happening to you.
So, where's the outrage on Viciousss on his twisted viewpoints?

Oh right, he is a liberal, so it's par for the course. Carry on, nothing to see here.

You could try waiting more than 2 minutes before claiming such things, but that would be prudent. However, if Deces had presenting his points with some level of tact, people would probably be more willing to point out when someone says something rude in response.
Except this is not the first time Vic said something that you would consider twisted. Shall I point on his first post in that genocide petition thread? How come he never gets the same level of scrutiny from you as volk did?

I honestly didn't even notice his post until after you made a big deal out of it. It isn't really necessary for me to comment on another example of the same thing I already addressed.
Then it is ok to make a big deal out of wanting to see if the kid was on drugs and hoping that he was, but it's perfectly ok to wipe out a whole society based on biased viewpoints.

Got it!

You might have noticed I wasn't involved at all in that thread. I also don't agree with his statement, but since you're running the emotional freakout machine in overdrive, what need is there for me to comment on it?
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-08-18 16:38:36
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Next thing you know Al Qaeda and ISIS are going to be considered societies. Hmm. Well ok, wipe them out too.
By volkom 2014-08-18 16:48:26
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Garuda.Chanti said: »
volkom said: »
LOL what?! How can the officer shoot the guy from above and behind. Was the officer on top of his car with a scope on his pistol? That's the most HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE thing I heard of today.
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One of the bullets entered his head and came out through his eye; another -- likely the fatal wound, Baden said -- struck Brown on the top of his head and caused irreparable damage to his brain.

Family attorney Benjamin Crump said Brown probably would have been either kneeling or bending forward when he was struck with those bullets.
same source

"entered his head and came out through his eye" leading him to fall over forward IMHO at which point "the fatal wound, Baden said -- struck Brown on the top of his head"

Volkom I come to only three possible conclusions.
1, you didn't read my link
2, you lack reading comprehension
3, the only HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE thing here is you

when I made my post, I was referring to this:
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Parks was particularly concerned about gunshots that medical examiners hired by the family indicate came from behind and above....
This assuming that brown was charging the officer as other sources said he did
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-18 17:01:13
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Not helping your case there bub.

The post I was referring to was deleted. So strike that.
By volkom 2014-08-18 17:09:56
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LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - About 500 people protested outside Los Angeles police headquarters on Sunday over the shooting death of an unarmed black man in California as disturbances continued in Missouri over the police killing of a black teenager there last week.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-08-18 17:16:11
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At least it wasn't a whole bag of em, just one.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-08-18 18:22:40
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Lakshmi.Deces said: »
*snip*

I have never blocked you, kid. I'm sure thats what the worthless mods will suggest tho, instead of actually doing their job for once. Your ability to post continues to be a testament to their lack of use.
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By Asura.Echandra 2014-08-18 19:01:17
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stuck at work! I missed the crazy woman part...
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By Fumiku 2014-08-19 01:22:36
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volkom said: »
the yahoo comments about this event are the best:

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So witnesses claim the cop got mad, backed his car to Brown, grabbed this little 6,4 300lb man by the neck (while sitting in his car, tried to pull him into his car (not sure what the end game was but it must have been magical), then Brown got free, ran, turned to look at the cops whole running, got shot, the officer got out of his car, shot him a few more times and then executed him in the street?

That sounds really fcking hard to imagine. Also witnesses claimed that the commotion happened after the shooting, you would think an officer trying to wrangle a 6'4 man into a car would have caused something, or at least had someone pull a camera phone out and record some of the incident and not just the aftermath.
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Cops come through my neighborhood grabbing people all the time. I'm gonna start rioting. Momma needs a new pair of shoes.

I mentioned the bold a few pages back, I find that part hard to believe. I cannot see why he would grab him at the neck while still in the car. This is too big of guy to grab at the neck like that. Even an equivalent strength guy would have a VERY hard time to get the leverage to pull him in by the neck sitting in a twisted position. He would need to be able to put both legs on the door to be able to pull him in.
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By Voren 2014-08-19 02:50:54
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Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
volkom said: »
I need to keep a journal of life goals/dreams
along with a faith in humanity tally.

life goal # 12312310123120398790587: find a kate beckinsale lookalike


~~~
anywho back on topic. I know normally police officers go to shooting ranges to practice firing their weapon (or should at least) every so often. Now I'm also know under high stress situations that firing a weapon accurately can be difficult, especially when its also against a moving target. So the news article from yahoo I was reading said that based on an autopsy that the victim died probably to a shot to the head. Would one expect such a shot by a police officer normally?

I'm relatively certain they're trained to fire at center mass, but I'm not positive.

I also know that local cops, depending on size and professionalism of a station, have pretty loose standards of firearm competency checks.

In case someone hasn't replied to this (and because this was 5 pages ago I didn't check, sorry) Yes we're trained to shoot center mass.

Basically between shoulders and from neck to top of stomach.

Our state requires a minimum scoring of 75%. Most officeRs shoot above 80% with a state average of 92.3% as of 2013.

Also, my department will, not for qualify, but for learning, have anyone who wishes to run 100 yards to the firing line, draw their weapon, and fire 10 rounds down range. This is to simulate high stress situations. Your score drops to about by about 50% on average.

We do some drills to shoot at various distances, one of which is a quick fire from the hip. They're timed as well.

With that said, our state's firearms instruction last two weeks. Our law block (where you learn about various laws in the state and how they're applied) lasts 6 weeks. I can't speak for all states, but seeing as I'm from Oklahoma and we at least try to take more time with the legalities and investigations than shooting, I would hope other more....sophisticated states do the same or better.

Hope that clears some things up in the regards of what officers are taught.
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By Voren 2014-08-19 03:04:27
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Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »
This was some time ago (law may differ in the US), but a police officer had told me that it was actually illegal to use the verbal or written threat police or civil intervention as a means of deterrent against another person, persons, or entity, particularly before a crime or personal injury to one's self, image, or reputation has occurred.

If this was an enforceable law in the US our jails would be crammed even more than they are now.

I've heard it said many times "if you do (insert action here) then I'll call the police (pronounced Poh-lease). It's what's considered, in America, to be a qualified threat, if it can be considered a threat at all. Person A would have to do an action to person B in order to make that threat become valid. Dealt with that a lot, mostly over civil *** complaints.
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2014-08-19 06:10:12
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Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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If you could care less about most people, then why do you care if this guy was on drugs or not? What point do you want to see justified by hoping that this kid feeds into the stereotype?
I don't care about the kid or the cop or the kid's family, but since I have a sister in Missouri now, I do fear for her safety, however distant she is from St. Louis.

Now, if the report does show that the kid was on drugs and the media reports that, then maybe the looting/rioting will go away. Those are big ifs, and highly likely that even if the kid was shown to be intoxicated and aggressive towards the officer that the officer was justified in taking the kid's life, the looting/rioting will (more likely) not stop because of the people doing the looting/rioting.

Now, before you go to your stupid excuse like stereotyping, remember this: white people have been shot by black cops before, and where's the rioting/looting/notice then?

How many times? In which circumstances? Were they all unarmed? Was it because they were white like you seem to suggest it?

And do you think there's a riot everytime a white cop shoots a black man?
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-19 07:16:44
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Voren said: »
Bismarck.Ramyrez said: »
volkom said: »
I need to keep a journal of life goals/dreams
along with a faith in humanity tally.

life goal # 12312310123120398790587: find a kate beckinsale lookalike


~~~
anywho back on topic. I know normally police officers go to shooting ranges to practice firing their weapon (or should at least) every so often. Now I'm also know under high stress situations that firing a weapon accurately can be difficult, especially when its also against a moving target. So the news article from yahoo I was reading said that based on an autopsy that the victim died probably to a shot to the head. Would one expect such a shot by a police officer normally?

I'm relatively certain they're trained to fire at center mass, but I'm not positive.

I also know that local cops, depending on size and professionalism of a station, have pretty loose standards of firearm competency checks.

In case someone hasn't replied to this (and because this was 5 pages ago I didn't check, sorry) Yes we're trained to shoot center mass.

Basically between shoulders and from neck to top of stomach.

Our state requires a minimum scoring of 75%. Most officeRs shoot above 80% with a state average of 92.3% as of 2013.

Also, my department will, not for qualify, but for learning, have anyone who wishes to run 100 yards to the firing line, draw their weapon, and fire 10 rounds down range. This is to simulate high stress situations. Your score drops to about by about 50% on average.

We do some drills to shoot at various distances, one of which is a quick fire from the hip. They're timed as well.

With that said, our state's firearms instruction last two weeks. Our law block (where you learn about various laws in the state and how they're applied) lasts 6 weeks. I can't speak for all states, but seeing as I'm from Oklahoma and we at least try to take more time with the legalities and investigations than shooting, I would hope other more....sophisticated states do the same or better.

Hope that clears some things up in the regards of what officers are taught.

Even if you're issued a left-handed firearm, are you required to test with both hands?

It may be a Pennsylvania, or even local thing, but one of the officers I knew who was left-handed was required to have minimum proficiency bilaterally that was not required of right-handed officers.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-19 07:25:21
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Cerberus.Detzu said: »
Asura.Kingnobody said: »
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If you could care less about most people, then why do you care if this guy was on drugs or not? What point do you want to see justified by hoping that this kid feeds into the stereotype?
I don't care about the kid or the cop or the kid's family, but since I have a sister in Missouri now, I do fear for her safety, however distant she is from St. Louis.

Now, if the report does show that the kid was on drugs and the media reports that, then maybe the looting/rioting will go away. Those are big ifs, and highly likely that even if the kid was shown to be intoxicated and aggressive towards the officer that the officer was justified in taking the kid's life, the looting/rioting will (more likely) not stop because of the people doing the looting/rioting.

Now, before you go to your stupid excuse like stereotyping, remember this: white people have been shot by black cops before, and where's the rioting/looting/notice then?

How many times? In which circumstances? Were they all unarmed? Was it because they were white like you seem to suggest it?
I posted this story a while ago and noted that people would have to dig deep to find it, as it was buried by the media.

In this case, the guy who was shot was unarmed, and the cop shot him in cold blood. The worst case scenario one can possibly have in a racial dispute, and yet, nothing.

There's this one too

This guy was found not guilty, but I bet you never heard of this story before

Cerberus.Detzu said: »
And do you think there's a riot everytime a white cop shoots a black man?
No, but why is there rioting period?

Why is there rioting now? Why was there rioting during the Zimmerman case? Why is there never any rioting when a white guy was shot by a black man? I mean, it is hard to prove any racism by the two above cases, but people assume so. Why is the reverse not true?
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-19 07:32:29
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White people riot over different stuff.

See: Vancouver or Montreal upon losing in the playoffs. WVU and their stupid "couch burning" crap. (Yes, yes, "lol Canada/West Virginia." Get it out of your system now, but my point's valid.)
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