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St. Louis, Missouri Vs. The Police: Heaven or Hell, Duel 1! Let's rock!
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-08-18 16:17:51
Anyone want to see videos of dead Ukrainian babies or dozens of Iraqi children being decapitated? Oh wait they are not violent obese junkies, never mind.
I think we would all rather see this happening to you. So, where's the outrage on Viciousss on his twisted viewpoints?
Oh right, he is a liberal, so it's par for the course. Carry on, nothing to see here.
You could try waiting more than 2 minutes before claiming such things, but that would be prudent. However, if Deces had presenting his points with some level of tact, people would probably be more willing to point out when someone says something rude in response.
By volkom 2014-08-18 16:18:29
the yahoo comments about this event are the best:
Quote: So witnesses claim the cop got mad, backed his car to Brown, grabbed this little 6,4 300lb man by the neck (while sitting in his car, tried to pull him into his car (not sure what the end game was but it must have been magical), then Brown got free, ran, turned to look at the cops whole running, got shot, the officer got out of his car, shot him a few more times and then executed him in the street?
That sounds really fcking hard to imagine. Also witnesses claimed that the commotion happened after the shooting, you would think an officer trying to wrangle a 6'4 man into a car would have caused something, or at least had someone pull a camera phone out and record some of the incident and not just the aftermath. Quote: Cops come through my neighborhood grabbing people all the time. I'm gonna start rioting. Momma needs a new pair of shoes.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-18 16:21:48
Anyone want to see videos of dead Ukrainian babies or dozens of Iraqi children being decapitated? Oh wait they are not violent obese junkies, never mind.
I think we would all rather see this happening to you. So, where's the outrage on Viciousss on his twisted viewpoints?
Oh right, he is a liberal, so it's par for the course. Carry on, nothing to see here.
You could try waiting more than 2 minutes before claiming such things, but that would be prudent. However, if Deces had presenting his points with some level of tact, people would probably be more willing to point out when someone says something rude in response. Except this is not the first time Vic said something that you would consider twisted. Shall I point on his first post in that genocide petition thread? How come he never gets the same level of scrutiny from you as volk did?
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-08-18 16:22:01
So, where's the outrage on Viciousss on his twisted viewpoints?
Oh right, he is a liberal, so it's par for the course. Carry on, nothing to see here. You don't really get to take the high road when you seemingly support the initial comment. Besides, no one cares who says what to that waste of bandwith, Deces.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-18 16:23:56
So, where's the outrage on Viciousss on his twisted viewpoints?
Oh right, he is a liberal, so it's par for the course. Carry on, nothing to see here. You don't really get to take the high road when you seemingly support the initial comment. Besides, no one cares who says what to that waste of bandwith, Deces. Except I never supported the initial comment. Care to prove otherwise?
Besides, if Deces is a waste of bandwidth, then you are a waste of natural resources.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-08-18 16:26:05
Well, you rated it up so you either liked what he said or you, I dunno, enjoyed his prose.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-08-18 16:26:37
Anyone want to see videos of dead Ukrainian babies or dozens of Iraqi children being decapitated? Oh wait they are not violent obese junkies, never mind.
I think we would all rather see this happening to you. So, where's the outrage on Viciousss on his twisted viewpoints?
Oh right, he is a liberal, so it's par for the course. Carry on, nothing to see here.
You could try waiting more than 2 minutes before claiming such things, but that would be prudent. However, if Deces had presenting his points with some level of tact, people would probably be more willing to point out when someone says something rude in response. Except this is not the first time Vic said something that you would consider twisted. Shall I point on his first post in that genocide petition thread? How come he never gets the same level of scrutiny from you as volk did?
I honestly didn't even notice his post until after you made a big deal out of it. It isn't really necessary for me to comment on another example of the same thing I already addressed.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-08-18 16:30:05
A small backpeddle for word choice, but my point remains through and through!
Backpedaling in the face of new evidence, how dare you call yourself a conservative? Stay the course!
Coming from the self-proclaimed conservative. You're not doing yourself any favors.
Sharing a jest is hardly a reflection on my political views. If you can't poke fun at yourself, how can you poke fun at others?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-08-18 16:32:45
What does this have to do with young black kids rioting and looting in St. Louis?
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-08-18 16:33:27
Nothing.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-18 16:34:57
Anyone want to see videos of dead Ukrainian babies or dozens of Iraqi children being decapitated? Oh wait they are not violent obese junkies, never mind.
I think we would all rather see this happening to you. So, where's the outrage on Viciousss on his twisted viewpoints?
Oh right, he is a liberal, so it's par for the course. Carry on, nothing to see here.
You could try waiting more than 2 minutes before claiming such things, but that would be prudent. However, if Deces had presenting his points with some level of tact, people would probably be more willing to point out when someone says something rude in response. Except this is not the first time Vic said something that you would consider twisted. Shall I point on his first post in that genocide petition thread? How come he never gets the same level of scrutiny from you as volk did?
I honestly didn't even notice his post until after you made a big deal out of it. It isn't really necessary for me to comment on another example of the same thing I already addressed. Then it is ok to make a big deal out of wanting to see if the kid was on drugs and hoping that he was, but it's perfectly ok to wipe out a whole society based on biased viewpoints.
Got it!
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-08-18 16:35:03
LOL what?! How can the officer shoot the guy from above and behind. Was the officer on top of his car with a scope on his pistol? That's the most HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE thing I heard of today. Quote: One of the bullets entered his head and came out through his eye; another -- likely the fatal wound, Baden said -- struck Brown on the top of his head and caused irreparable damage to his brain.
Family attorney Benjamin Crump said Brown probably would have been either kneeling or bending forward when he was struck with those bullets. same source
"entered his head and came out through his eye" leading him to fall over forward IMHO at which point "the fatal wound, Baden said -- struck Brown on the top of his head"
Volkom I come to only three possible conclusions.
1, you didn't read my link
2, you lack reading comprehension
3, the only HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE thing here is you
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-08-18 16:36:51
Anyone want to see videos of dead Ukrainian babies or dozens of Iraqi children being decapitated? Oh wait they are not violent obese junkies, never mind.
I think we would all rather see this happening to you. So, where's the outrage on Viciousss on his twisted viewpoints?
Oh right, he is a liberal, so it's par for the course. Carry on, nothing to see here.
You could try waiting more than 2 minutes before claiming such things, but that would be prudent. However, if Deces had presenting his points with some level of tact, people would probably be more willing to point out when someone says something rude in response. Except this is not the first time Vic said something that you would consider twisted. Shall I point on his first post in that genocide petition thread? How come he never gets the same level of scrutiny from you as volk did?
I honestly didn't even notice his post until after you made a big deal out of it. It isn't really necessary for me to comment on another example of the same thing I already addressed. Then it is ok to make a big deal out of wanting to see if the kid was on drugs and hoping that he was, but it's perfectly ok to wipe out a whole society based on biased viewpoints.
Got it!
You might have noticed I wasn't involved at all in that thread. I also don't agree with his statement, but since you're running the emotional freakout machine in overdrive, what need is there for me to comment on it?
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-08-18 16:38:36
Next thing you know Al Qaeda and ISIS are going to be considered societies. Hmm. Well ok, wipe them out too.
By volkom 2014-08-18 16:48:26
LOL what?! How can the officer shoot the guy from above and behind. Was the officer on top of his car with a scope on his pistol? That's the most HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE thing I heard of today. Quote: One of the bullets entered his head and came out through his eye; another -- likely the fatal wound, Baden said -- struck Brown on the top of his head and caused irreparable damage to his brain.
Family attorney Benjamin Crump said Brown probably would have been either kneeling or bending forward when he was struck with those bullets. same source
"entered his head and came out through his eye" leading him to fall over forward IMHO at which point "the fatal wound, Baden said -- struck Brown on the top of his head"
Volkom I come to only three possible conclusions.
1, you didn't read my link
2, you lack reading comprehension
3, the only HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE thing here is you
when I made my post, I was referring to this:
Quote: Parks was particularly concerned about gunshots that medical examiners hired by the family indicate came from behind and above.... This assuming that brown was charging the officer as other sources said he did
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-18 17:01:13
Not helping your case there bub.
The post I was referring to was deleted. So strike that.
By volkom 2014-08-18 17:09:56
Quote: LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - About 500 people protested outside Los Angeles police headquarters on Sunday over the shooting death of an unarmed black man in California as disturbances continued in Missouri over the police killing of a black teenager there last week. source
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-08-18 17:16:11
At least it wasn't a whole bag of em, just one.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-08-18 18:22:40
I have never blocked you, kid. I'm sure thats what the worthless mods will suggest tho, instead of actually doing their job for once. Your ability to post continues to be a testament to their lack of use.
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By Asura.Echandra 2014-08-18 19:01:17
stuck at work! I missed the crazy woman part...
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By Fumiku 2014-08-19 01:22:36
the yahoo comments about this event are the best:
Quote: So witnesses claim the cop got mad, backed his car to Brown, grabbed this little 6,4 300lb man by the neck (while sitting in his car, tried to pull him into his car (not sure what the end game was but it must have been magical), then Brown got free, ran, turned to look at the cops whole running, got shot, the officer got out of his car, shot him a few more times and then executed him in the street?
That sounds really fcking hard to imagine. Also witnesses claimed that the commotion happened after the shooting, you would think an officer trying to wrangle a 6'4 man into a car would have caused something, or at least had someone pull a camera phone out and record some of the incident and not just the aftermath. Quote: Cops come through my neighborhood grabbing people all the time. I'm gonna start rioting. Momma needs a new pair of shoes.
I mentioned the bold a few pages back, I find that part hard to believe. I cannot see why he would grab him at the neck while still in the car. This is too big of guy to grab at the neck like that. Even an equivalent strength guy would have a VERY hard time to get the leverage to pull him in by the neck sitting in a twisted position. He would need to be able to put both legs on the door to be able to pull him in.
By Voren 2014-08-19 02:50:54
I need to keep a journal of life goals/dreams
along with a faith in humanity tally.
life goal # 12312310123120398790587: find a kate beckinsale lookalike
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anywho back on topic. I know normally police officers go to shooting ranges to practice firing their weapon (or should at least) every so often. Now I'm also know under high stress situations that firing a weapon accurately can be difficult, especially when its also against a moving target. So the news article from yahoo I was reading said that based on an autopsy that the victim died probably to a shot to the head. Would one expect such a shot by a police officer normally?
I'm relatively certain they're trained to fire at center mass, but I'm not positive.
I also know that local cops, depending on size and professionalism of a station, have pretty loose standards of firearm competency checks.
In case someone hasn't replied to this (and because this was 5 pages ago I didn't check, sorry) Yes we're trained to shoot center mass.
Basically between shoulders and from neck to top of stomach.
Our state requires a minimum scoring of 75%. Most officeRs shoot above 80% with a state average of 92.3% as of 2013.
Also, my department will, not for qualify, but for learning, have anyone who wishes to run 100 yards to the firing line, draw their weapon, and fire 10 rounds down range. This is to simulate high stress situations. Your score drops to about by about 50% on average.
We do some drills to shoot at various distances, one of which is a quick fire from the hip. They're timed as well.
With that said, our state's firearms instruction last two weeks. Our law block (where you learn about various laws in the state and how they're applied) lasts 6 weeks. I can't speak for all states, but seeing as I'm from Oklahoma and we at least try to take more time with the legalities and investigations than shooting, I would hope other more....sophisticated states do the same or better.
Hope that clears some things up in the regards of what officers are taught.
By Voren 2014-08-19 03:04:27
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »This was some time ago (law may differ in the US), but a police officer had told me that it was actually illegal to use the verbal or written threat police or civil intervention as a means of deterrent against another person, persons, or entity, particularly before a crime or personal injury to one's self, image, or reputation has occurred.
If this was an enforceable law in the US our jails would be crammed even more than they are now.
I've heard it said many times "if you do (insert action here) then I'll call the police (pronounced Poh-lease). It's what's considered, in America, to be a qualified threat, if it can be considered a threat at all. Person A would have to do an action to person B in order to make that threat become valid. Dealt with that a lot, mostly over civil *** complaints.
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2014-08-19 06:10:12
If you could care less about most people, then why do you care if this guy was on drugs or not? What point do you want to see justified by hoping that this kid feeds into the stereotype? I don't care about the kid or the cop or the kid's family, but since I have a sister in Missouri now, I do fear for her safety, however distant she is from St. Louis.
Now, if the report does show that the kid was on drugs and the media reports that, then maybe the looting/rioting will go away. Those are big ifs, and highly likely that even if the kid was shown to be intoxicated and aggressive towards the officer that the officer was justified in taking the kid's life, the looting/rioting will (more likely) not stop because of the people doing the looting/rioting.
Now, before you go to your stupid excuse like stereotyping, remember this: white people have been shot by black cops before, and where's the rioting/looting/notice then?
How many times? In which circumstances? Were they all unarmed? Was it because they were white like you seem to suggest it?
And do you think there's a riot everytime a white cop shoots a black man?
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-19 07:16:44
I need to keep a journal of life goals/dreams
along with a faith in humanity tally.
life goal # 12312310123120398790587: find a kate beckinsale lookalike
~~~
anywho back on topic. I know normally police officers go to shooting ranges to practice firing their weapon (or should at least) every so often. Now I'm also know under high stress situations that firing a weapon accurately can be difficult, especially when its also against a moving target. So the news article from yahoo I was reading said that based on an autopsy that the victim died probably to a shot to the head. Would one expect such a shot by a police officer normally?
I'm relatively certain they're trained to fire at center mass, but I'm not positive.
I also know that local cops, depending on size and professionalism of a station, have pretty loose standards of firearm competency checks.
In case someone hasn't replied to this (and because this was 5 pages ago I didn't check, sorry) Yes we're trained to shoot center mass.
Basically between shoulders and from neck to top of stomach.
Our state requires a minimum scoring of 75%. Most officeRs shoot above 80% with a state average of 92.3% as of 2013.
Also, my department will, not for qualify, but for learning, have anyone who wishes to run 100 yards to the firing line, draw their weapon, and fire 10 rounds down range. This is to simulate high stress situations. Your score drops to about by about 50% on average.
We do some drills to shoot at various distances, one of which is a quick fire from the hip. They're timed as well.
With that said, our state's firearms instruction last two weeks. Our law block (where you learn about various laws in the state and how they're applied) lasts 6 weeks. I can't speak for all states, but seeing as I'm from Oklahoma and we at least try to take more time with the legalities and investigations than shooting, I would hope other more....sophisticated states do the same or better.
Hope that clears some things up in the regards of what officers are taught.
Even if you're issued a left-handed firearm, are you required to test with both hands?
It may be a Pennsylvania, or even local thing, but one of the officers I knew who was left-handed was required to have minimum proficiency bilaterally that was not required of right-handed officers.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-19 07:25:21
If you could care less about most people, then why do you care if this guy was on drugs or not? What point do you want to see justified by hoping that this kid feeds into the stereotype? I don't care about the kid or the cop or the kid's family, but since I have a sister in Missouri now, I do fear for her safety, however distant she is from St. Louis.
Now, if the report does show that the kid was on drugs and the media reports that, then maybe the looting/rioting will go away. Those are big ifs, and highly likely that even if the kid was shown to be intoxicated and aggressive towards the officer that the officer was justified in taking the kid's life, the looting/rioting will (more likely) not stop because of the people doing the looting/rioting.
Now, before you go to your stupid excuse like stereotyping, remember this: white people have been shot by black cops before, and where's the rioting/looting/notice then?
How many times? In which circumstances? Were they all unarmed? Was it because they were white like you seem to suggest it? I posted this story a while ago and noted that people would have to dig deep to find it, as it was buried by the media.
In this case, the guy who was shot was unarmed, and the cop shot him in cold blood. The worst case scenario one can possibly have in a racial dispute, and yet, nothing.
There's this one too
This guy was found not guilty, but I bet you never heard of this story before
And do you think there's a riot everytime a white cop shoots a black man? No, but why is there rioting period?
Why is there rioting now? Why was there rioting during the Zimmerman case? Why is there never any rioting when a white guy was shot by a black man? I mean, it is hard to prove any racism by the two above cases, but people assume so. Why is the reverse not true?
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-19 07:32:29
White people riot over different stuff.
See: Vancouver or Montreal upon losing in the playoffs. WVU and their stupid "couch burning" crap. (Yes, yes, "lol Canada/West Virginia." Get it out of your system now, but my point's valid.)
To recap the events going on:
It all started with this:
Quote: The fatal shooting of an unarmed black St. Louis teen Saturday has caused an outcry of anger toward the city’s police, with locals rallying in the streets and widening uproar on social media.
Eighteen-year-old Michael Brown was being placed in a police squad car, eyewitness Piaget Crenshaw told the St. Louis Dispatch, when he put his hands in the air and attempted to flee. Several shots hit him as he ran away.
St. Louis County police chief Jon Belmar said Sunday that Brown struggled for the officer’s gun in the patrol car and that one shot was fired from the officer’s gun during the tussle. The officer fired multiple shots at Brown as he fled, Belmar said.
Anger flared the rest of the day after Brown’s death, as protesters screamed obscenities mixed with threats to “kill the police,” and more than 60 area police officers responded to the scene. More shots were reported, though no one was injured. Public Outcry After Police Shooting of Black St. Louis Teenager
Then this happened:
Quote: An uneasy calm settled over Ferguson, Missouri, early Tuesday after a second night of violent clashes between law enforcement and residents protesting the police shooting of an unarmed black teenager, with another demonstration planned for mid-morning.
So far, more than 50 people have been arrested in protests following the death of Michael Brown, 18, in a largely black St. Louis suburb on Saturday after what police officials said was a struggle with a gun in a squad car.
The FBI has opened a civil rights investigation into the racially charged case, and St. Louis County is also investigating the shooting.
Police have not said why Brown was in the police car. At least one shot was fired during the struggle, and then the officer fired more shots before leaving the car, police said.
Chanting "hands up, don’t shoot," protesters overnight challenged police trying to seal off the neighborhood where Brown was shot, a low-income, high-crime area east of downtown Ferguson. Some protesters said they were outraged that Brown appeared to have been shot while holding his hands up in surrender, calling the shooting the latest in a long history of police harassment of area minorities.
"They brought this on themselves," said 25-year-old Adam Burcher of Ferguson, who stood outside the Ferguson Police Department on Monday night with a sign reading "Stop Killing."
Later on Tuesday, a protest is expected outside the St. Louis County prosecutor's office in Clayton, Missouri, and officials are also expected to identify the police officer involved in the shooting. Another protest set in Missouri after riots over teen's killing
Followed by this:
Quote: Violence again erupted in the St. Louis area near the site of the police shooting death of an unarmed black teenager, according to local police, despite calls by U.S. President Barack Obama and activists for a measured response.
Early on Wednesday, a police officer shot and critically wounded a man who drew a handgun near the site of protests over the death of 18-year-old Michael Brown, a St. Louis County Police Department officer said.
Police responded about an hour after midnight to reports of four or five men with shotguns and wearing ski masks. They encountered multiple suspects running, one of whom pulled a gun on an officer, who fired at him, the county officer said. The man was taken to an area hospital.
Shortly after midnight, police fired tear gas into protesters who had confronted a line of officers after a far larger crowd dispersed, St. Louis County Police Department spokesman Brian Schellman said.
A photograph in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch showed a protester wearing a shirt with an American flag printed on it throwing a tear gas container back at the police. There were other media reports of bottles thrown at police.
The incidents followed two nights of violent protests, looting and arrests in Ferguson, the largely black St. Louis suburb where the shooting of Brown took place. Violence erupts again after killing of black Missouri teen
And now to bring you up to date:
Quote:
The Ferguson and St. Louis County police departments, which led the initial response to civil unrest in Ferguson, are both equipped with military equipment donated by the Defense Dept. Ferguson has received two vehicles, a trailer and a generator and St. Louis County has received nine utility trucks and two cargo trailers since 2012.
The equipment was received under the 1033 program which was enacted by Congress in 1992, and expanded in 1997. The program allows police forces to request and receive refurbished military equipment free of charge from the Pentagon. Police departments need only pay for shipping. Ferguson and St. Louis County police received military equipment from Pentagon
Quote: President Barack Obama on Thursday said that police should respect protesters after four nights of racially charged demonstrations in Ferguson, Missouri, over the recent police killing of an unarmed black teenager.
"There is never an excuse for violence against police or for those who would use this tragedy as a cover for vandalism or looting," Obama said a televised remarks.
"There's also no excuse for police to use excessive force against peaceful protesters or to throw protesters in jail for lawfully exercising their first amendment rights," he said, speaking to the press from Edgartown, Massachusetts near where he is vacationing with his family.
After the shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown in the St. Louis suburb on Saturday, dozens of protesters have been arrested and the police have used riot gear, tear gas and rubber bullets to break up protests.
There have been peaceful vigils and demonstrations as well as episodes of looting and violence.
Governor Jay Nixon on Thursday also told community members at a church in the St. Louis area that "over the next few hours we are going to be making some shifts so that people will be ... safe." He did not specify what his steps would be made. Obama calls for police to respect protesters in Ferguson, Missouri
Don't forget this one too:
Quote: Two reporters covering the shooting of an unarmed black teen by a white police officer in a St. Louis suburb say they were arrested at a McDonald’s Wednesday evening in the commercial corridor where angry protests have occurred.
Wesley Lowery of The Washington Post and Ryan Reilly of The Huffington Post say they were working in the fast-food restaurant when SWAT officers came in to quickly clear the area. Both quickly tweeted about their arrests, detention and subsequent release without any charges.
Reilly tells KMOX News that officers were trying to clear out the restaurant.
“I was just packing up, and I evidently did not move quickly enough,” he says.
Reilly says an officer banged his head on the restaurant door and sarcastically apologized for it.
“None of them were wearing name badges, I don’t know why,” he says. “Over a dozen times I asked for an identity, I asked for a badge number, and all the officers standing around heard my request and ignored it.”
Reilly said he believes they were released so quickly because they were journalists. He realized during his interview with KMOX News that he was not read his Miranda Rights.
“I wasn’t even Mirandaized,” he says. “I did not even think about that until you just mentioned. I was never given…nothing…wow. I should really know that as a justice reporter. I sort of knew it by heart, but I was never given my rights, or anything like that was mentioned.”
Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson did not immediately return a cellphone message from The Associated Press seeking comment. 2 Reporters Arrested At Ferguson McDonald’s
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