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St. Louis, Missouri Vs. The Police: Heaven or Hell, Duel 1! Let's rock!
Bismarck.Ramyrez
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-18 13:22:49
Okay, seriously. It's been a while and a picture of Idris Elba has no [+]? You dudes are all too straight, and you ladies all have poor taste.
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By fonewear 2014-08-18 13:39:30
By Altimaomega 2014-08-18 13:56:44
This thread needs some global warming debate.
Let's see how well the CAGW hypothesis is doing:
1) No global warming trend for 18 years
2) Falling global temp trends for 14 yrs
3) Next month, th Antarctic will break the largest ice extent ever recorded.
4) The Arctic sea ice is recovering in volume and size.
5) IPCC's AR5 report released last year admits no increase in global severe weather in 50~100 yrs.
6) US sets record for the longest time without a CAT3 making US landfall in 150 years (3,200 days).
7) Sea rise rate fell 30% over last 10 yrs.
8) Sea Level Rise stuck at 6" per century
Meanwhile: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2727734/Wet-cold-bank-holiday-way-forecasters-warn-two-weeks-bad-weather-ahead.html
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-08-18 13:58:42
Well, the polar ice caps are white, so maybe we can work that into this thread somehow?
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2014-08-18 14:01:10
Quote: Attorney General Eric Holder announced that the Department of Justice would conduct a third autopsy.
Why would there need to be a third autopsy? Wouldn't the first one be sufficient enough to determine the means of death, and the second one be sufficient enough for a forensic account of the events that took place?
Everyone is innocent before proven guilty, you said it yourself. Also, if there's a reasonable doubt it always benefit to the defendant. 3 autopsies are better than 1.
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By Fenrir.Squintik 2014-08-18 14:04:30
Everyone is innocent before proven guilty, you said it yourself. Also, if there's a reasonable doubt it always benefit to the defendant. 3 autopsies are better than 1.

'cause 2 out of 3 ain't bad ~
By volkom 2014-08-18 14:04:55
This thread needs some global warming debate.
Let's see how well the CAGW hypothesis is doing:
1) No global warming trend for 18 years cuz of global cooling!
2) Falling global temp trends for 14 yrs cuz of global warming!
3) Next month, the Antarctic will break the largest ice extent ever recorded. poor polar bears will drown!
4) The Arctic sea ice is recovering in volume and size. poor polar bears will drown!
5) IPCC's AR5 report released last year admits no increase in global severe weather in 50~100 yrs. global warming is a myth!
6) US sets record for the longest time without a CAT3 making US landfall in 150 years (3,200 days). woo
7) Sea rise rate fell 30% over last 10 yrs. effects of global warming!
8) Sea Level Rise stuck at 6" per century blame polar bears
Meanwhile: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2727734/Wet-cold-bank-holiday-way-forecasters-warn-two-weeks-bad-weather-ahead.html
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-08-18 14:05:18
Also, I think I saw that he was shot from the front? If so, that would poke a mighty large hole in the eyewitness account.
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By volkom 2014-08-18 14:07:48
he was shot in the front. in the front facing forearms/face area
not the underside of the forearms as if he had his hands up like he was surrendering
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Bismarck.Ramyrez
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-18 14:09:37
This thread needs some global warming debate.
Let's see how well the CAGW hypothesis is doing:
1) No global warming trend for 18 years
2) Falling global temp trends for 14 yrs
3) Next month, th Antarctic will break the largest ice extent ever recorded.
4) The Arctic sea ice is recovering in volume and size.
5) IPCC's AR5 report released last year admits no increase in global severe weather in 50~100 yrs.
6) US sets record for the longest time without a CAT3 making US landfall in 150 years (3,200 days).
7) Sea rise rate fell 30% over last 10 yrs.
8) Sea Level Rise stuck at 6" per century
Meanwhile: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2727734/Wet-cold-bank-holiday-way-forecasters-warn-two-weeks-bad-weather-ahead.html
You need to get better at derailing.
You can't just randomly change topics and start with your statvomit.
You've got to ease into it.
...I bet the ladies don't like you much, just shoving things in there suddenly like that.
Edit: Also, if you're using the Daily Mail as a news source, may as well start posting stories about Bat Boy, too.
I swear some people.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-08-18 14:14:02
he was shot in the front. in the front facing forearms/face area
not the underside of the forearms as if he had his hands up like he was surrendering Didn't think of that.
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By Fenrir.Squintik 2014-08-18 14:18:10
Speaking of derailing. Or rerailing. Or rederailing.
And I can't believe no-one has mentioned:
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-18 14:20:45
Speaking of derailing. Or rerailing. Or rederailing.
And I can't believe no-one has mentioned:

Dammit. Firewall blocking second image. Whoooo?
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2014-08-18 14:20:51
he was shot in the front. in the front facing forearms/face area
not the underside of the forearms as if he had his hands up like he was surrendering
Maybe he had been shot without warning.
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By Cerberus.Detzu 2014-08-18 14:21:54
What do the witnesses say they heard?
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-08-18 14:23:47
This thread needs some global warming debate.
Let's see how well the CAGW hypothesis is doing:
1) No global warming trend for 18 years
2) Falling global temp trends for 14 yrs
3) Next month, th Antarctic will break the largest ice extent ever recorded.
4) The Arctic sea ice is recovering in volume and size.
5) IPCC's AR5 report released last year admits no increase in global severe weather in 50~100 yrs.
6) US sets record for the longest time without a CAT3 making US landfall in 150 years (3,200 days).
7) Sea rise rate fell 30% over last 10 yrs.
8) Sea Level Rise stuck at 6" per century
Meanwhile: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2727734/Wet-cold-bank-holiday-way-forecasters-warn-two-weeks-bad-weather-ahead.html
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By Fenrir.Squintik 2014-08-18 14:23:55
Speaking of derailing. Or rerailing. Or rederailing.
And I can't believe no-one has mentioned:

Dammit. Firewall blocking second image. Whoooo?
Was working at first when I posted it, now I'm blocked too for some reason.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-08-18 14:24:56
Autopsy results enough to charge officer, Brown family attorney says - CNN
Quote: Ferguson, Missouri (CNN) -- An independent autopsy into the death of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, provides "ample" evidence to support the arrest of the police officer who shot him, family attorney Daryl Parks said Monday at a news conference
Parks was particularly concerned about gunshots that medical examiners hired by the family indicate came from behind and above....
The autopsy could support witnesses' suggestions that Brown was holding his hands up in the air, said Shawn Purcell, who assisted in the autopsy. But other scenarios are possible, said Dr. Michael Baden, who supervised the inquiry....
The independent autopsy was conducted by high-profile pathologist Michael Baden, who testified in the O.J. Simpson, Phil Spector and Drew Peterson murder trials.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-18 14:25:47
Ahh, ScoJo.
I think people don't want to be accused of going for the easy answer?
I dunno. She is crazy good looking. But I actually know very little of her personality, or how she acts off camera. You'd think for someone as famous as her, you'd see more interviews or quotes, but I never do.
Same for Kate Upton.
Edit: actually, one of the biggest things for me when it comes to actresses is seeing them without makeup. I hate makeup; it's such a...I don't want to say "lie", because it's a fact of life when you're an actor or actress. It's part of the fantasy of the fiction you're portraying. But it can change the way you look significantly.
ScoJo, Jennifer Lawrence, and Hillary Duff actually are three of the better-looking I've seen sans makeup.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-08-18 14:27:04
Hearing he was shot 6 times, not sure why its necessary to shoot a person 6 times, regardless of the situation.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-18 14:27:42
Autopsy results enough to charge officer, Brown family attorney says - CNN
Quote: Ferguson, Missouri (CNN) -- An independent autopsy into the death of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, provides "ample" evidence to support the arrest of the police officer who shot him, family attorney Daryl Parks said Monday at a news conference
Parks was particularly concerned about gunshots that medical examiners hired by the family indicate came from behind and above....
The autopsy could support witnesses' suggestions that Brown was holding his hands up in the air, said Shawn Purcell, who assisted in the autopsy. But other scenarios are possible, said Dr. Michael Baden, who supervised the inquiry....
The independent autopsy was conducted by high-profile pathologist Michael Baden, who testified in the O.J. Simpson, Phil Spector and Drew Peterson murder trials.
I foresee a lot of evidence being thrown out as three different forensic experts just sit and try to prove their evidence is the properly-reached and conclusive evidence, while a fourth and fifth who didn't actually examine the body itself will be hired merely to try to discredit the others.
It happens more frequently than you may realize.
Basically, it will be a lot like a P&R thread.
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By Fenrir.Squintik 2014-08-18 14:30:48
Basically, it will be a lot like a P&R thread.
Except they'll probably stay on-topic.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-18 14:31:59
Basically, it will be a lot like a P&R thread.
Except they'll probably stay on-topic.
Ehhh. Questionable. I mean, they are trying to discredit each other.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-08-18 14:36:15
But really; "mentally stable" girls nag you to paint the windows this new shade of blue that matches the perennials she put in last winter. They want you to stop buying Nerf weapons because they're for children. They want you to pay $50,000 for a wedding that's not even fun for anyone to attend. They want to have babies and families and stop having sex on a regular basis.
Seriously. Don't go for full psychosis or severe personality disorders, but slightly broken people are far, far more fun than the straight-laced ones can ever dream of being.
Or maybe I just went for someone just like me. Who knows?
I'm rarely described as anything but straight-laced, so I married a woman with a little spice. She keeps me from being a robot, but we definitely have a Dharma and Greg thing going on.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-18 14:39:56
But really; "mentally stable" girls nag you to paint the windows this new shade of blue that matches the perennials she put in last winter. They want you to stop buying Nerf weapons because they're for children. They want you to pay $50,000 for a wedding that's not even fun for anyone to attend. They want to have babies and families and stop having sex on a regular basis.
Seriously. Don't go for full psychosis or severe personality disorders, but slightly broken people are far, far more fun than the straight-laced ones can ever dream of being.
Or maybe I just went for someone just like me. Who knows?
I'm rarely described as anything but straight-laced, so I married a woman with a little spice. She keeps me from being a robot, but we definitely have a Dharma and Greg thing going on.
My wife and I are pretty much as alike as you can get, and it's mostly just become more so after 16 years. I can't imagine being with someone my opposite. I don't get it.
Why would you want a spouse who doesn't want to play games with you? Or who wants to decorate the house when you're trying to watch a hockey or football game? Why would you want a spouse you can't hold an intelligent discussion with you about topics in which you're mutually interested?
Sex is great, yeah. Good looks are great, yeah. But...if that's all you've got between you is physical attraction, that seems really *** lame. I don't get it.
By volkom 2014-08-18 14:40:08
Autopsy results enough to charge officer, Brown family attorney says - CNN
Quote: Ferguson, Missouri (CNN) -- An independent autopsy into the death of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, provides "ample" evidence to support the arrest of the police officer who shot him, family attorney Daryl Parks said Monday at a news conference
Parks was particularly concerned about gunshots that medical examiners hired by the family indicate came from behind and above....
The autopsy could support witnesses' suggestions that Brown was holding his hands up in the air, said Shawn Purcell, who assisted in the autopsy. But other scenarios are possible, said Dr. Michael Baden, who supervised the inquiry....
The independent autopsy was conducted by high-profile pathologist Michael Baden, who testified in the O.J. Simpson, Phil Spector and Drew Peterson murder trials.
I foresee a lot of evidence being thrown out as three different forensic experts just sit and try to prove their evidence is the properly-reached and conclusive evidence, while a fourth and fifth who didn't actually examine the body itself will be hired merely to try to discredit the others.
It happens more frequently than you may realize.
Basically, it will be a lot like a P&R thread.
LOL what?! How can the officer shoot the guy from above and behind. Was the officer on top of his car with a scope on his pistol? That's the most HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE thing I heard of today.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-08-18 14:41:00
This thread needs some global warming debate.
Let's see how well the CAGW hypothesis is doing:
1) No global warming trend for 18 years
2) Falling global temp trends for 14 yrs
1. *buzz* patently false in every possible way.
2. Just because the rate of increase has slowed doesn't mean it's not still increasing at an alarming rate. I was never very good with that speech exercise where you describe to someone how to tie their shoe... So a sports car accelerates from 0 to 150 MPH, from 0-60 it's accelerating at a much higher rate than it will from 100-150, but to say that it's not accelerating from 100-150 is asinine.
I got bored of your nonsense at number 2 and dozed off...
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-08-18 14:41:03
Autopsy results enough to charge officer, Brown family attorney says - CNN
Quote: Ferguson, Missouri (CNN) -- An independent autopsy into the death of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, provides "ample" evidence to support the arrest of the police officer who shot him, family attorney Daryl Parks said Monday at a news conference
Parks was particularly concerned about gunshots that medical examiners hired by the family indicate came from behind and above....
The autopsy could support witnesses' suggestions that Brown was holding his hands up in the air, said Shawn Purcell, who assisted in the autopsy. But other scenarios are possible, said Dr. Michael Baden, who supervised the inquiry....
The independent autopsy was conducted by high-profile pathologist Michael Baden, who testified in the O.J. Simpson, Phil Spector and Drew Peterson murder trials.
I foresee a lot of evidence being thrown out as three different forensic experts just sit and try to prove their evidence is the properly-reached and conclusive evidence, while a fourth and fifth who didn't actually examine the body itself will be hired merely to try to discredit the others.
It happens more frequently than you may realize.
Basically, it will be a lot like a P&R thread.
LOL what?! How can the officer shoot the guy from above and behind. Was the officer on top of his car with a scope on his pistol? That's the most HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE thing I heard of today.
There was a report that he was shot in the head after he was down on the ground.
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By Fenrir.Squintik 2014-08-18 14:41:39
LOL what?! How can the officer shoot the guy from above and behind. Was the officer on top of his car with a scope on his pistol? That's the most HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE thing I heard of today.
But.... there are magic bullets! The JFK trial proved that.
By volkom 2014-08-18 14:42:39
LOL what?! How can the officer shoot the guy from above and behind. Was the officer on top of his car with a scope on his pistol? That's the most HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE thing I heard of today.
But.... there are magic bullets! The JFK trial proved that. nah man~ magneto tried to save JFK but he was too late. that's how the bullets curved
To recap the events going on:
It all started with this:
Quote: The fatal shooting of an unarmed black St. Louis teen Saturday has caused an outcry of anger toward the city’s police, with locals rallying in the streets and widening uproar on social media.
Eighteen-year-old Michael Brown was being placed in a police squad car, eyewitness Piaget Crenshaw told the St. Louis Dispatch, when he put his hands in the air and attempted to flee. Several shots hit him as he ran away.
St. Louis County police chief Jon Belmar said Sunday that Brown struggled for the officer’s gun in the patrol car and that one shot was fired from the officer’s gun during the tussle. The officer fired multiple shots at Brown as he fled, Belmar said.
Anger flared the rest of the day after Brown’s death, as protesters screamed obscenities mixed with threats to “kill the police,” and more than 60 area police officers responded to the scene. More shots were reported, though no one was injured. Public Outcry After Police Shooting of Black St. Louis Teenager
Then this happened:
Quote: An uneasy calm settled over Ferguson, Missouri, early Tuesday after a second night of violent clashes between law enforcement and residents protesting the police shooting of an unarmed black teenager, with another demonstration planned for mid-morning.
So far, more than 50 people have been arrested in protests following the death of Michael Brown, 18, in a largely black St. Louis suburb on Saturday after what police officials said was a struggle with a gun in a squad car.
The FBI has opened a civil rights investigation into the racially charged case, and St. Louis County is also investigating the shooting.
Police have not said why Brown was in the police car. At least one shot was fired during the struggle, and then the officer fired more shots before leaving the car, police said.
Chanting "hands up, don’t shoot," protesters overnight challenged police trying to seal off the neighborhood where Brown was shot, a low-income, high-crime area east of downtown Ferguson. Some protesters said they were outraged that Brown appeared to have been shot while holding his hands up in surrender, calling the shooting the latest in a long history of police harassment of area minorities.
"They brought this on themselves," said 25-year-old Adam Burcher of Ferguson, who stood outside the Ferguson Police Department on Monday night with a sign reading "Stop Killing."
Later on Tuesday, a protest is expected outside the St. Louis County prosecutor's office in Clayton, Missouri, and officials are also expected to identify the police officer involved in the shooting. Another protest set in Missouri after riots over teen's killing
Followed by this:
Quote: Violence again erupted in the St. Louis area near the site of the police shooting death of an unarmed black teenager, according to local police, despite calls by U.S. President Barack Obama and activists for a measured response.
Early on Wednesday, a police officer shot and critically wounded a man who drew a handgun near the site of protests over the death of 18-year-old Michael Brown, a St. Louis County Police Department officer said.
Police responded about an hour after midnight to reports of four or five men with shotguns and wearing ski masks. They encountered multiple suspects running, one of whom pulled a gun on an officer, who fired at him, the county officer said. The man was taken to an area hospital.
Shortly after midnight, police fired tear gas into protesters who had confronted a line of officers after a far larger crowd dispersed, St. Louis County Police Department spokesman Brian Schellman said.
A photograph in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch showed a protester wearing a shirt with an American flag printed on it throwing a tear gas container back at the police. There were other media reports of bottles thrown at police.
The incidents followed two nights of violent protests, looting and arrests in Ferguson, the largely black St. Louis suburb where the shooting of Brown took place. Violence erupts again after killing of black Missouri teen
And now to bring you up to date:
Quote:
The Ferguson and St. Louis County police departments, which led the initial response to civil unrest in Ferguson, are both equipped with military equipment donated by the Defense Dept. Ferguson has received two vehicles, a trailer and a generator and St. Louis County has received nine utility trucks and two cargo trailers since 2012.
The equipment was received under the 1033 program which was enacted by Congress in 1992, and expanded in 1997. The program allows police forces to request and receive refurbished military equipment free of charge from the Pentagon. Police departments need only pay for shipping. Ferguson and St. Louis County police received military equipment from Pentagon
Quote: President Barack Obama on Thursday said that police should respect protesters after four nights of racially charged demonstrations in Ferguson, Missouri, over the recent police killing of an unarmed black teenager.
"There is never an excuse for violence against police or for those who would use this tragedy as a cover for vandalism or looting," Obama said a televised remarks.
"There's also no excuse for police to use excessive force against peaceful protesters or to throw protesters in jail for lawfully exercising their first amendment rights," he said, speaking to the press from Edgartown, Massachusetts near where he is vacationing with his family.
After the shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown in the St. Louis suburb on Saturday, dozens of protesters have been arrested and the police have used riot gear, tear gas and rubber bullets to break up protests.
There have been peaceful vigils and demonstrations as well as episodes of looting and violence.
Governor Jay Nixon on Thursday also told community members at a church in the St. Louis area that "over the next few hours we are going to be making some shifts so that people will be ... safe." He did not specify what his steps would be made. Obama calls for police to respect protesters in Ferguson, Missouri
Don't forget this one too:
Quote: Two reporters covering the shooting of an unarmed black teen by a white police officer in a St. Louis suburb say they were arrested at a McDonald’s Wednesday evening in the commercial corridor where angry protests have occurred.
Wesley Lowery of The Washington Post and Ryan Reilly of The Huffington Post say they were working in the fast-food restaurant when SWAT officers came in to quickly clear the area. Both quickly tweeted about their arrests, detention and subsequent release without any charges.
Reilly tells KMOX News that officers were trying to clear out the restaurant.
“I was just packing up, and I evidently did not move quickly enough,” he says.
Reilly says an officer banged his head on the restaurant door and sarcastically apologized for it.
“None of them were wearing name badges, I don’t know why,” he says. “Over a dozen times I asked for an identity, I asked for a badge number, and all the officers standing around heard my request and ignored it.”
Reilly said he believes they were released so quickly because they were journalists. He realized during his interview with KMOX News that he was not read his Miranda Rights.
“I wasn’t even Mirandaized,” he says. “I did not even think about that until you just mentioned. I was never given…nothing…wow. I should really know that as a justice reporter. I sort of knew it by heart, but I was never given my rights, or anything like that was mentioned.”
Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson did not immediately return a cellphone message from The Associated Press seeking comment. 2 Reporters Arrested At Ferguson McDonald’s
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