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California debates 'yes means yes' sex assault law
By Jetackuu 2014-10-03 17:03:27
Can a female get really drunk without being a party ***? Most certainly, but if it wasn't obvious that I was specifying a particular scenario well then I was expecting too much, my bad.
By volkom 2014-10-03 17:08:29
Scenarios that one can be raped in are....
-too drunk
-drugged
-in your house by break-in
-walking/running at night
-standing on a corner
-at a party
-in a back alley
-being kidnapped
-somewhere in a rural part of the country
-somewhere you weren't suppose to go
-being a student on campus
-working on a campus
-being 13 and playing CoD
how many more scenarios can we add?
By Jetackuu 2014-10-03 17:09:57
Scenarios that one can be raped in are....
just about any ftfy sir
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By Blazed1979 2014-10-03 17:43:18
I wonder if morning surprise BJs will be a thing of the past in Cali, now that women can get accused of rape for it.
"I wanted to give you a special wake up"
"you raped me you b!tch!"
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By Quetzalcoatl.Maldini 2014-10-03 17:59:04
If a draft was implemented in the US, would women be included?
By volkom 2014-10-03 18:11:52
Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »If a draft was implemented in the US, would women be included? nope
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By Quetzalcoatl.Maldini 2014-10-03 18:14:24
Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »If a draft was implemented in the US, would women be included? nope huh? that's double standards. If they can't be called upon to defend their country then why do they enjoy the freedoms and rights?
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By Cerberus.Anjisnu 2014-10-03 18:14:44
Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »If a draft was implemented in the US, would women be included? nope Ah the feminist definition of equality at it's finest
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By Jetackuu 2014-10-03 18:15:15
Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »If a draft was implemented in the US, would women be included?
There's been a lot of talks about that, but probably not, at least not at first.
By Blazed1979 2014-10-03 18:20:58
oh wow what?! I thought the draft included women now.
I just assumed as well...
So, in what way are men equal to women?
They seem to be your overlords.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Maldini 2014-10-03 18:23:52
No wonder they have so many ***.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-10-03 18:26:38
There is no draft, men have to register, but it isn't gonna happen anytime soon.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Maldini 2014-10-03 18:28:00
There is no draft, men have to register, but it isn't gonna happen anytime soon.
Men have to register but women don't?
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-10-03 18:31:28
Right.
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2014-10-03 21:39:50
Quetzalcoatl.Maldini said: »If a draft was implemented in the US, would women be included? nope Ah the feminist definition of equality at it's finest
They want equal or more privilege but without any obligation. They want everything and if men don't give it to them then they will sit down and cry and make a big fuss.
That's essentially feminism in a nutshell.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-10-03 21:54:40
How do you manage to lay the blame of generations of gender-based prejudice in the military on feminism? Seriously, how does that thought process work?
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By Nazrious 2014-10-03 22:02:47
It doesn't even help Victims and provides another tool for a lawyer to use to scare a victim even more. Just asking, but do you think this creates an opportunity for additional false claims to be made?
Lulz, More opportunity?
The entire argument about more or less opportunity is HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. A whole lot of whats going on in this post is.
1) Crazy is crazy, Crazy people don't normally stop to ponder the law when acting.
2) If said crazy person stopped to ponder the law, They would simply LIE and say they said NO at some point during the entire debacle.
3a) The only possible increase in false claims for this would be from the limited cases of regret, not awe crap he sucked/ wtf did I sleep with freddy cougar when drunk?
3b) This woman (less so man) would have given a vague accounting of the story at some point, then is later confronted by (insert boyfriend, parent, etc) Gets scared / regret/ pressured and then tries to back pedal / find a way to take the heat off.
3c) This same person would also be aped to simply lie and again fabricate a point when she(he... less so) said no.
4) The crux, Which these losers seem so fixated on. If a girl was so inebriated that she was unable to say no, and this can be proven that she was too inebriated, Then it is RAPE.
A Girl who is fall down drunk, or a one bucket one nighter as I call it, is not in the right state, or mind, to be having sex. Sure she is not catatonic or passed out, heck she may even be screaming to pound her hard the entire time. However, to the dismay of these losers, This does not mean this person should be having sex, even more so she should not be having sex with some one who would want to have sex with her in this state.
Then is a real fine line with this kind of behavior, this Law does sharpen it a small bit but the line was always there.
Problem with this law is not false accusations because those will happen anyway, its just plain stupidity. This laws minute benefit is going to be outweighed by the creativity of lawyers using this in unintended ways.
Also this does not remove culpability from the victim in any way. Adults make decisions to place themselves in harms way. The same way one should not drink and drive one should also not drink to the point of not being able to control themselves.
If a drunk sheep walks into a wolf den, the sheep will be eaten.
By Nazrious 2014-10-03 22:14:32
How do you manage to lay the blame of generations of gender-based prejudice in the military on feminism? Seriously, how does that thought process work?
funny thing is there was a court opinion I forget which, basically it says "Women are baby makers / caretakers, men are expendable.
"part of the "baggage of sexual stereotypes," Orr v. Orr,440 U. S. 268, 440 U. S. 283, that presumes the father has the "primary responsibility to provide a home and its essentials," Stanton v. Stanton,421 U. S. 7, 421 U. S. 10, while the mother is the "center of home and family life." Taylor v. Louisiana,419 U. S. 522, 419 U. S. 534 n. 15. Legislation that rests on such presumptions, without more, cannot survive scrutiny under the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment. Pp. 443 U. S. 83-89."
True feminists would be marching on DC to have the draft include women. There is also a lot of glass ceiling issues due to lack of front line opportunity for women. Draft is used for the filling of key front line positions. Thus the one being abolished would likely lead to the other being instituted.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-10-03 23:14:29
The draft isn't even in effect and the likelihood of it becoming an issue is really low. It makes no sense to march for something that isn't even a thing. Meanwhile, the ban on women in combat was lifted just last year.
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By Valefor.Vaeria 2014-10-04 00:07:02
In reality men and women are not created equal. Both sexes have evolved over centuries to do specific things in nature. As humans we have been molding nature to us now. This means Women and Men are now both able to bring an income, raise babies, cook dinner, clean a house. Everything is pretty much equal in society today. This all has happened within the last century. Men have been taking care of women for so long "theoretically" and women have only been in the work force as anything more than secretaries and librarians for barely 50 years. It took African Americans over a century to obtain what is considered "equal rights" today. Feminism if you want to call it that, is a work in progress. Just like Gay rights. Its not happening today, or tomorrow, but one day we will see "equal rights". But essentially the "white, rich, man" will always run the country (I'm referring to the U.S.). Just look at Obama's ratings. He is not favorable right now, and even democrats dont want him supporting them. Why? Because its close to the end of his term and every president who runs for 2 consecutive runs gets shot down near the end with every economic, social, world problem. They are a bulletin board for criticism. We "elect" presidents as a figure head, they don't get to make any REAL decisions. They gotta ask our messed up Congress for everything. Also, Ebola...
Okay, So I am totally done ranting. I'm sorry. I'm ready for the abuse. Just no rape please. I've got rights... on the internet you know.
By volkom 2014-10-04 00:45:32
In reality men and women are not created equal.
they are
By Altimaomega 2014-10-04 01:05:28
In reality men and women are not created equal. Both sexes have evolved over centuries to do specific things in nature. As humans we have been molding nature to us now. This means Women and Men are now both able to bring an income, raise babies, cook dinner, clean a house. Everything is pretty much equal in society today. This all has happened within the last century. Men have been taking care of women for so long "theoretically" and women have only been in the work force as anything more than secretaries and librarians for barely 50 years. It took African Americans over a century to obtain what is considered "equal rights" today. Feminism if you want to call it that, is a work in progress. Just like Gay rights. Its not happening today, or tomorrow, but one day we will see "equal rights". But essentially the "white, rich, man" will always run the country (I'm referring to the U.S.). Just look at Obama's ratings. He is not favorable right now, and even democrats dont want him supporting them. Why? Because its close to the end of his term and every president who runs for 2 consecutive runs gets shot down near the end with every economic, social, world problem. They are a bulletin board for criticism. We "elect" presidents as a figure head, they don't get to make any REAL decisions. They gotta ask our messed up Congress for everything. Also, Ebola...
Okay, So I am totally done ranting. I'm sorry. I'm ready for the abuse. Just no rape please. I've got rights... on the internet you know.
They make a huge decision every time they sign or don't sign a bill. We elect The media elects The person who happens to be the most trustworthy popular during the election cycle is suppose to... screw it... Obama SUCKS..
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-10-04 01:18:13
It's about time the U.S. has caught up to... North Korea. They've had women in their army for a long time now.
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By Sylph.Knala 2014-10-04 01:19:51
Given the last few posts hinging on women in service and equality between men and women as a service member myself i wanted to provide a bit if insider information on a few topics presented.
Women in the military are not held to the same physical standard as men, every 6 months in the navy we undergo a physical assessment test (PRT/Physical Readiness Test) in order to pass for the navy you are required to perform at a minimum a set of sit ups push ups and then a 1.5 mile run within minutes of each other, the specific metrics for each event that is to say how many push ups and sit ups and how fast one has to run 1.5 miles in order to pass is based on your age group, basically they lower the required amounts as you get older.
Here is a semi dated listing of the male and female 20-24 PRT requirements:
Men
Women
Each service's physical assessment requirements and exactly what events they use to *** their service member's physical aptitude (or lack there of) varies but one thing that is the same across the board is that women are not held to the same physical standards as men.
Anyways my point and stance in all of this is that, with major exceptions to every rule men generally are more suited to physically intensive jobs, that said there are women out there that can put most men to shame in terms of physical prowess.
Bleh tried rewriting this several times but im just going to put it bluntly here, to expect equality one should be able to perform the duties like wise equally, there are many non physical jobs within the military and honestly i couldn't care less which gender is operating the launch console for a missile but when it comes to front lines where one has to carry their own weight and gear women should be able to uphold the same physical standards as men.
anyways round about as heck but that was what i was trying to get at.
P.S.
Hmm well did some research and at least they changed a bit, used to be women could do their push-ups from the knees, that is using the knees as the contact point vice the toes aka the normal way.
P.S.S.
The (lack there of) is a shot at men more than women in this case... least in submarines where i work have alot of people who have trouble maintaining the physical standards (aka they fail the PRT, 3x failures within 4 years is grounds for termination of service)
P.S.S.S.
Submarines are a male dominated portion of the service due to the fact that we only recently began the integration progress and only on certain class of submarines, due to space limitations certain classes of subs in part due to design of the berthing areas can not facilitate male and female berthing though i think they are designing the newer subs with gender specific berthing in mind.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-10-04 01:46:18
In reality men and women are not created equal.
they are
Elaborate, please.
By Jetackuu 2014-10-04 02:27:18
Why aren't you in game Rav? I want to /slap and run.
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2014-10-04 02:36:05
In reality men and women are not created equal.
they are
Biology says otherwise.
Homo sapiens are no different then any other animal species, each gender is specialized with different traits to ensure maximum quality in genetic reproduction. This translates into men and women having different skill sets and natural abilities, only the most foolishly blind progressive would argue otherwise. The average male is stronger then 99% of the female population. He also has higher bone density, higher muscle density and a higher percentage of lean body mass.
His brain is also wired differently with most of the connections running lengthwise with the logical and emotional parts of the brain having separate neural pathways. The part of the brain that deals with aggression and reflex will have about ten times more connections then the female brain. Female brains on the other hand are primarily wired cross wise with most connections running between the right and left sides. She has far fewer connections in the aggression center. It gets even more complicated after this, but the overall neurological evidence is that male and female human brains are wired in radically different ways with the result that each gender has a unique thought process.
You can argue that male and female humans should have equal social value, and I would agree with that, but you absolutely can't say they are equal. They are simply too different in too many ways to be compared.
The reason this law is going to have issues it the men and women communicate differently. Males focus on overt direct communication while females primarily focus on indirect covert communication. The way the law is written, it enables a women to have casual sex while maintaining plausible deniability and the option to enact revenge on the guy should her social credit be lowered. Essentially she can play the victim card, on demand, with zero consequence. Anyhow I'm sure the white knights will show up to champion all women kind and defend their honor.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-10-04 03:23:32
Oh, what ***. The law doesn't change any standards of what constitutes legal rape. What was rape after the law is the same as what was rape before the law. Nothing about it makes it easier to make false accusations or get a conviction or settlement. The only difference is the agreement for state-funded universities to accept clarified definitions of consent, which is somehow a bad thing apparently.
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By Quetzalcoatl.Maldini 2014-10-04 03:34:24
In reality men and women are not created equal.
they are
Biology says otherwise.
Homo sapiens are no different then any other animal species, each gender is specialized with different traits to ensure maximum quality in genetic reproduction. This translates into men and women having different skill sets and natural abilities, only the most foolishly blind progressive would argue otherwise. The average male is stronger then 99% of the female population. He also has higher bone density, higher muscle density and a higher percentage of lean body mass.
His brain is also wired differently with most of the connections running lengthwise with the logical and emotional parts of the brain having separate neural pathways. The part of the brain that deals with aggression and reflex will have about ten times more connections the female brain. Female brains on the other hand are primarily wired cross wise with most connections running between the right and left sides. She has far fewer connections in the aggression center. It gets even more complicated after this, but the overall neurological evidence is that male and female human brains are wired in radically different ways with the result that each gender has a unique thought process.
You can argue that male and female humans should have equal social value, and I would agree with that, but you absolutely can't say they are equal. They are simply too different in too many ways to be compared.
The reason this law is going to have issues it the men and women communicate differently. Males focus on overt direct communication while females primarily focus on indirect covert communication. The way the law is written, it enables a women to have casual sex while maintaining plausible deniability and the option to enact revenge on the guy should her social credit be lowered. Essentially she can play the victim card, on demand, with zero consequence. Anyhow I'm sure the white knights will show up to champion all women kind and defend their honor.
Male Brain - left hemisphere dominant
Male brain is 10% larger than females, has 4% more cells on average, but some male brains can have as much as 16% more cells by the way. Males also have 700% more gray matter (problem solving, reasoning, logical thought process, maths, systematization).
Males also have better 3D reasoning and navigation.
Males also process protein better and faster. Male's metabolic pathways are also more flexible and efficient.
The male is built for long term analytical and deep thought. Males weakness tends to be multi-tasking.
When in doubt just remember the males extreme grey matter means that they are built this way.
Women have 12% more neurons and more neuron connections (as Saevel mentioned) due horizontal between the left and right hemispheres)
Women on average have higher IQs than men.
women have 1000% more white matter (responsible for nurturing and emotions - not so well suited for critical thinking and analysis). White matter also helps women multi-task.
Both genders use both their right and left hemispheres, but women are more dexterous with this and can use more of their left hemisphere than males can their right hemisphere. It is unknown if this is due to recent changes in society (human beings adapt) or if it was always this way. However women can still NOT access enough of their left hemisphere to make it count, and not for long enough periods as women's right hemisphere tends to override their left (exactly the reason why you cannot argue with a woman long enough to reach any agreed upon conclusions?)
why?
Womens corpus collusum is much larger than a males (the part of the brain that deals with regulating emotions, connections with people, empathy and maternal compassion)
Women also are able to transfer data between left and right hemisphere. Sounds good right? well scientists say no. The two hemispheres of the brain are built for different types of roles, and having emotion influence your rational and reasoning thought process is women's Achilles heal. The reason why some say men age better is due to higher levels of testosterone (extreme cases show as much as 19x more) and lower levels of estrogen.
Gonna get a lot of hate for this: But recent studies have also shown that women are respond better to assertive commands than men do overall, but men follow instructions better.
Men's default reaction to threat is to go into hyper mode - left hemisphere tends to light up and right hemisphere tends to shut down. (war crimes anyone?) - kinda sad but males become killing machines when faced with threat and tend to loose any ability to remain ethical and loose the moral highground as they really are reduced to the status of machine during times of perceived threat.This is actually influencing marriage counseling. Want to see the worst in men, make them feel threatened.
summary: Men can be depended on to do two things, and do them far better than women; "masterpieces" and "innovation". Men tackle problems through focus and reflection. "There are no female Masterpieces" and "women haven't invented anything" are pretty accurate sexist generalizations. Men are also more dependable when delegated authority (studies have shown the male brain goes into overdrive when being given responsibility over others and an objective - requiring less sleep, dealing with stress better, thought processes are sped up and they actually age slower during such periods - males "never feel so alive" as when they are put to the task with a group of peers.
Men have trouble recalling how they felt/feel in/during situations. They can recall facts more easily, as opposed to how those facts made them feel at the time.
But here's the twist in that - on average male connections with other individuals require MUCH LESS work and stimulus for those relationships to stay in tact. That is to say that men require far less communication and interaction with a person that means something to them for that person to retain their social and emotional value with the male.
Women: Excel at nurturing, multi-tasking, are more selectively forgiving, have higher levels of tolerance, higher pain thresholds, have a stronger immune system on average against viruses and bacteria, recover emotionally faster than men, are more resilient to emotional stress, can process stimulus far far far better than men (women really can have more than 1 conversation at the same time and feel several things at the same time) Women are also far superior in social maintenance. Women's brains light up when there are several other humans around as opposed to the male brain tends to shut down and withdraw. Women can remain balanced in times of stress and threat. Women can also demonstrate levels of compassion that men would consider suicidal.
So choose male if you want one-two thing done really phenomenally well, or choose female if you want a lot of things done ok'sh. XD
I've read more about the male brain as opposed to Women's brains, because there seems to be a lot more info readily available about it. That or there just isn't more to share about the female brain.
There's a few videos on youtube that discuss the differences in a lot more detail and complexity, going into things such as the chemical compounds and their abundance in both sexes, but I'll leave you with something far less detailed.
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By Jetackuu 2014-10-04 03:35:14
Please don't tell me anyone actually watches "Dr." Oz, seriously?
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Quote: SAN DIEGO (AP) — College students have heard a similar refrain for years in campaigns to stop sexual assault: No means no.
Now, as universities around the country that are facing pressure over the handling of rape allegations adopt policies to define consensual sex, California is poised to take it a step further. Lawmakers are considering what would be the first-in-the-nation measure requiring all colleges that receive public funds to set a standard for when "yes means yes."
Defining consensual sex is a growing trend by universities in an effort to do more to protect victims. From the University of California system to Yale, schools have been adopting standards to distinguish when consent was given for a sexual activity and when it was not.
Legislation passed by California's state Senate in May and coming before the Assembly this month would require all schools that receive public funds for student financial assistance to set a so-called "affirmative consent standard" that could be used in investigating and adjudicating sexual assault allegations. That would be defined as "an affirmative, unambiguous and conscious decision" by each party to engage in sexual activity.
Silence or lack of resistance does not constitute consent. The legislation says it's also not consent if the person is drunk, drugged, unconscious or asleep.
Lawmakers say consent can be nonverbal, and universities with similar policies have outlined examples as maybe a nod of the head or moving in closer to the person.
Several state legislatures, including Maryland, Texas and Connecticut, introduced bills in the past year to push colleges to do more after a White House task force reported that 1 in 5 female college students is a victim of sexual assault. The U.S. Education Department also took the unprecedented step of releasing the names of schools facing federal investigation for the way they handle sexual abuse allegations.
But no state legislation has gone as far as California's bill in requiring a consent standard.
Critics say the state is overstepping its bounds. The Los Angeles Times in an editorial after the bill passed the state Senate 27-4 wrote that it raises questions as to whether it is "reasonable" or "enforceable." The legislation is based on the White House task force's recommendations.
"It seems extremely difficult and extraordinarily intrusive to micromanage sex so closely as to tell young people what steps they must take in the privacy of their own dorm rooms," the newspaper said.
Some fear navigating the murky waters of consent spells trouble for universities.
"Frequently these cases involve two individuals, both of whom maybe were under the influence of alcohol or drugs, and it can be very tricky to ascertain whether consent was obtained," said Ada Meloy, general counsel of the American Council on Education, which represents college presidents.
She said schools need to guarantee a safe environment for students, while law enforcement is best suited for handling more serious sexual assault cases.
John F. Banzhaf III, a George Washington University's Law School professor, believes having university disciplinary panels interpret vague cues and body language will open the door for more lawsuits.
The legal definition of rape in most states means the perpetrator used force or the threat of force against the victim, but the California legislation could set the stage in which both parties could accuse each other of sexual assault, he said.
"This bill would very, very radically change the definition of rape," he said.
University of California at Berkeley student Meghan Warner, 20, said that's a good thing. She said she was sexually assaulted during her freshman year by two men at a fraternity but didn't report it because she believed "that unless it was a stranger at night with a weapon who attacked you when you were walking home, that it wasn't rape. It's just a crappy thing that happened." She now runs campus workshops to teach students what constitutes consent.
"Most students don't know what consent is," she said. "I've asked at the workshops how many people think if a girl is blacked out drunk that it's OK to have sex with her. The amount of people who raised their hands was just startling."
Defining consent may be easy to do on paper, said Laura Nguyen, a 21-year-old San Diego State University senior, but "we're talking about college students out at night and the reality is there's not just 'yes' or 'no.' There is a lot of in between. I really think it depends on the situation."
The legislation initially stated that "if there is confusion as to whether a person has consented or continues to consent to sexual activity, it is essential that the participants stop the activity until the confusion can be clearly resolved."
After some interpreted that as asking people to stop after each kiss to get a verbal agreement before going to the next level, the bill was amended to say consent must be "ongoing" and "can be revoked at any time."
"California needs to provide our students with education, resources, consistent policies and justice so that the system is not stacked against survivors," state Sen. Kevin de Leon, a Los Angeles Democrat, said in promoting the bill.
Supporters say investigators would have to determine whether consent had been given by both parties instead of focusing on whether the complainant resisted or said no.
Denice Labertew of the California Coalition Against Sexual Assault said the bill fosters a cultural change: "There's a lot of criticism around affirmative consent because it requires us to change the way we normally think about this."
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