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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-07-11 13:05:52
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
I lost track of who we were supposed to be treating as the victim... black women? Gays? or was is the EWEM?

/sigh

EWEM goes at the bottom of the minority privilege hierarchy.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-07-11 13:08:21
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Europe actually means evil in old Valyrian, true story.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-07-11 13:31:01
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Who bumped this? So, what's the rundown so far?

1.) Everybody is an *** to somebody. Black people are like this, and white people are like that. White, gay men are like what?

2.) Phil Collins circa Genesis burst into this thread sporting some bomb-*** wayfarers while singing 'I Can't Dance'.

3.) Someone forgot to put the gag back on Savael when tightening his straight-jacket, and he started screaming about the Xenomorphs coming to eat all mankind, or maybe just EWEMs.

4.) WTF Is EWEM?

5.) Everybody is an *** to somebody. Thus, sandy orifices. (Side note: Might I suggest wet wipes or a detachable shower head, Nausi?)

We have really painted ourselves a masterpiece, AH. Let's all collectively take a step back and marvel at our Pollock-esque work or art. Glorious! And like Pollock, we should all drunkenly stagger into the car, and give this thread the send off it deserves.

Who's got dibs on being the lone survivor of this wreck?
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-07-11 13:31:50
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Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Who bumped this? So, what's the rundown so far?

1.) Everybody is an *** to somebody. Black people are like this, and white people are like that. White, gay men are like what?

2.) Phil Collins circa Genesis burst into this thread sporting some bomb-*** wayfarers while singing 'I Can't Dance'.

3.) Someone forgot to put the gag back on Savael when tightening his straight-jacket, and started screaming about the Xenomorphs coming to eat all mankind, or maybe just EWEMs.

4.) WTF Is EWEM?

5.) Everybody is an *** to somebody. Thus, sandy orifices. (Side note: Might I suggest wet wipes or a detachable shower head, Nausi?)

We have really painted ourselves a masterpiece, AH. Let's all collectively take a step back an marvel at our Pollock-esque work or art. Glorious! And like Pollock, we should all drunkenly stagger into the car, and give this thread the send off it deserves.

Who's got dibs on being the lone survivor of this wreck?

Why do I feel like this could be pasted into any P&R thread and not lose context?
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-07-11 13:36:37
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Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Who bumped this? So, what's the rundown so far?

1.) Everybody is an *** to somebody. Black people are like this, and white people are like that. White, gay men are like what?

2.) Phil Collins circa Genesis burst into this thread sporting some bomb-*** wayfarers while singing 'I Can't Dance'.

3.) Someone forgot to put the gag back on Savael when tightening his straight-jacket, and he started screaming about the Xenomorphs coming to eat all mankind, or maybe just EWEMs.

4.) WTF Is EWEM?

5.) Everybody is an *** to somebody. Thus, sandy orifices. (Side note: Might I suggest wet wipes or a detachable shower head, Nausi?)

We have really painted ourselves a masterpiece, AH. Let's all collectively take a step back an marvel at our Pollock-esque work or art. Glorious! And like Pollock, we should all drunkenly stagger into the car, and give this thread the send off it deserves.

Who's got dibs on being the lone survivor of this wreck?

I take the utmost pride when I smear my feces on someones blank canvas for hours on end....
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-07-11 13:40:33
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'White' privilege is a myth as well.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-07-11 14:37:41
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
'White' privilege is a myth as well.

lolok.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-07-11 14:47:01
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Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Who's got dibs on being the lone survivor of this wreck?

I think the difference is the hypocrisy regarding political correctness. If a heterosexual were enacting stereotypical gay mannerisms they'd immediately be labeled homophobic.

However, when this African-American woman decided to write this article people are quick to label her as out-of-line or ridiculous.

I think the important thing to note is the following logic has double-standards in our society, and this article and the reactions coming from reading this article are a perfect example of how political correctness only applies to certain groups.

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"I don't find this offensive therefore no one else should." Good for you. You don't have to deal with similar situations. Have some cake to go with your privilege.
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-07-11 14:51:12
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Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Who's got dibs on being the lone survivor of this wreck?

I call "not it".
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By fonewear 2014-07-11 16:48:31
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Siren.Mosin said: »
Caitsith.Zahrah said: »
Who's got dibs on being the lone survivor of this wreck?

I call "not it".

I'm up for the challenge !

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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-07-11 17:20:48
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Leviathan.Chaosx said: »
'White' privilege is a myth as well.

lol, run out of things to be victimized by, start making em up!
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By fonewear 2014-07-11 17:26:01
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Being a white male isn't easy it is...really easy !


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By Fenrir.Lade 2014-07-11 17:47:22
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baconwrap is messed in the head. thats all i got from that.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-07-11 19:52:30
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Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
I think the important thing to note is the following logic has double-standards in our society, and this article and the reactions coming from reading this article are a perfect example of how political correctness only applies to certain groups.

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"I don't find this offensive therefore no one else should." Good for you. You don't have to deal with similar situations. Have some cake to go with your privilege.
Why are you still quoting that? It's nice that it made such an impact, but there's no double standard if you understand what I originally wrote.

The point was that your personal feelings towards a particular offense aren't the sole metric by which something should or should not be considered acceptable. You don't need to find ghetto gays offensive and I doubt most anyone does (I find them more obnoxious than anything, which I guess could be considered offensive but blah blah semantics), but just because you don't feel that strongly about it doesn't mean someone else can't.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-07-11 20:20:39
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
It's nice that it made such an impact, but there's no double standard if you understand what I originally wrote.

I fully understand what you wrote. It's a double-standard. You are simply not willing to acknowledge your hypocrisy on the matter. You demand political correctness for the LGBT community but when an African-American woman asks for political correctness you question it.

RESPONSE TO SIERRA MANNIE – DEAR STRAIGHT PEOPLE: STOP STEALING GAY CULTURE

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Dear Straight People: Stop Stealing Gay Culture



I need some of you to cut it the hell out. Maybe, for some of you, it’s a presumed mutual appreciation for Andy Cohen and good haircuts that has you thinking that I’m going to be amused by you approaching me in your best “Bruce from the gay bar” voice. I don’t know. What I do know is that I don’t care how well you can quote *** Eye For The Straight Guy, who told you that your beard was getting butcher than his, how funny you think it is to call yourself a ***, who taught you to Vogue, how funny you think it is to call yourself RuPaul or Richard Simmons or for which gay person you’ve been tolerating — you are not a homosexual, and you do not get to claim either homosexuality or gay pride. It is not yours. It is not for you.

Let me explain.

Gay people can’t have anything. Any of these things include, but aren’t limited to: a general sense of physical safety, comfort with law enforcement, adequate funding and appreciation for gay community support spaces like GLBT teen homeless shelters and GLBT churches, appropriate venues for our voices to be heard about criticism of issues without our sexuality going on trial because of it, and solid marriage rights (cc: Gays VS Every State).

And then, when you thought this pillaging couldn’t get any worse, extracurricular gay activities get snatched up, too: our music, our dances, our slang, our clothing, our hairstyles. All of these things are rounded up, hetero-dulled and repackaged for your consumption. But here’s the shade — the breeders who get to enjoy all of the fun things about gayness will never have to experience the ugliness of the gay experience, systemic homophobia and the dangers of simply living while gay. Though I suppose there’s some thrill in this “metrosexual” philosophy some adopt, straight people are not sexually oppressed in the United States of America.

Straight people are not sexually oppressed in the United States of America.

Straight people are not sexually oppressed in the United States of America.

Nothing about straightness will get a straight person in trouble the way gayness can get a gay person shot down in their tracks. These are just facts. It’s not entirely the fault of straight people. It’s not as if you can help being born straight in America, any more than I can help being born gay in America.

The truth is that America is a country that operates on systems of homophobia in which we all participate, whether consciously or unconsciously, to our benefit or to our detriment, and that system allows straight people to succeed. This system also creates barriers so that sexual minorities, such as gay people, have a much harder time being able to do things like marry and adopt and not have to deal with homophobes and stuff. You know. Casual.

But while you’re gasping at the heat and the steam of the strong truth tea I just spilled, what’s even worse about all of this, if you thought things could get even crappier, is the fact that all of this is exponentially worse for gay women. A culture of homophobia is bad enough, but pairing it with patriarchal structures that intend to undermine women’s advancement is like double-fisting bleach and acid rain.

At the end of the day, if you are a straight person, male or female, you retain so much privilege. What is extremely unfairly granted you because of your sexuality does help you, if everyone knows that you prefer the romantic and sexual company of the other gender. (You know what I’m talking about. Those “in your face” straight love stories in movies, books and music, show very familiar heterosexual tales to the public.) The point is that the gay people with whom you think you align so well, whose language you use and stereotypical mannerisms you adopt, will not hide their gayness and homosexuality to protect themselves the way that you shouldn’t hide your heterosexuality. We have no desire to hide, or reasons to do it even if we desired them.

In all of the ways that your heterosexuality and history give you so much, in those exact same ways, our homosexuality and history work against our acceptance. To pretend that you’re a homosexual just for the sake of laughs, and to say that the things about them or the things enjoyed by them are done better by you isn’t cute or funny. First of all, it’s aggravating as hell. Second, it’s damaging and perpetuating of yet another set of aggressions against us.

All of this being said, you should not have to stop liking the things you like. This is not an attempt to try to suck the fun out of your life. Appreciating a culture and appropriating one are very, very different things, with a much thicker line than some people think, if you use all of the three seconds it takes to be considerate before you open your mouth. If you love some of the same things that some gay people love, by all means, you and your gay friends go ahead and rock the hell out. Regardless of what our privileges and lack of privileges are, regardless of the laws and rhetoric that have attempted to divide us, we are equal, even though we aren’t the same, and that is okay. Claiming our identity for what’s sweet without ever having to taste its sour is not. Breathing fire behind ugly stereotypes that reduce gay culture to loud caricatures for you to emulate isn’t, either.

So, you aren’t a fierce gay man, or a butch lesbian, or any of that other foolery that not all gay people are. It’s okay. You don’t have to be. No one asked you to be. You weren’t ever meant to be. What you can be, however, is part of the solution.

Check your privilege. Try to strengthen the people around you.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-07-11 20:23:47
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
just because you don't feel that strongly about it doesn't mean someone else can't.

Huh. I'm going to hold onto that quote for later. Don't be surprised if it's used against you.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-07-11 20:26:56
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
just because you don't feel that strongly about it doesn't mean someone else can't.

Huh. I'm going to hold onto that quote for later. Don't be surprised if it's used against you.

EXACTLY what I was thinking.
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By Asura.Razorbeast 2014-07-11 20:55:34
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-07-11 21:04:03
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Good god, you guys are hellbent on being dense as ***.

The article's writer made an argument. It has holes in it. Therefore, others will probably not wholly empathize with it.

Does this mean she can't be offended? No.

If you can't grasp this, then I don't know what to tell you.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-07-11 21:05:14
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Good god, you guys are hellbent on being dense as ***.

Good god you're a hypocrite.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-07-11 21:09:00
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I tried to use the least amount of tiny words to explain this better. I guess it's just not going to happen.
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By Jetackuu 2014-07-11 21:32:10
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It has nothing to do with whether or not somebody is offended, it has to do with why should we give a *** if they are?

Being offended won't hurt you, grow up and get over it. What offends somebody is subjective, if your goal is to never offend anyone ever again then you're a delusional ***, as it's not even remotely possible, and pointless to attempt so.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-07-11 21:34:57
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Jetackuu said: »
It has nothing to do with whether or not somebody is offended, it has to do with why should we give a *** if they are?

Being offended won't hurt you, grow up and get over it. What offends somebody is subjective, if your goal is to never offend anyone ever again then you're a delusional ***, as it's not even remotely possible, and pointless to attempt so.
I find this offensive!
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-07-11 21:40:31
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Clearly the best way to avoid offending anyone is to spend a bunch of time posting in the P&R section.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-07-11 21:41:12
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Jetackuu said: »
It has nothing to do with whether or not somebody is offended, it has to do with why should we give a *** if they are?
No one said you had to care.

Jetackuu said: »
Being offended won't hurt you, grow up and get over it. What offends somebody is subjective, if your goal is to never offend anyone ever again then you're a delusional ***, as it's not even remotely possible, and pointless to attempt so.
No, the point is not to ensure that no one is offended ever.
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By Jetackuu 2014-07-11 21:46:16
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Cerberus.Pleebo said: »
Jetackuu said: »
It has nothing to do with whether or not somebody is offended, it has to do with why should we give a *** if they are?
No one said you had to care.

Jetackuu said: »
Being offended won't hurt you, grow up and get over it. What offends somebody is subjective, if your goal is to never offend anyone ever again then you're a delusional ***, as it's not even remotely possible, and pointless to attempt so.
No, the point is not to ensure that no one is offended ever.
There's really no other logical end point, so I don't see the point in continuing this conversation as we won't agree.

You think that people should tip-toe around others, and I think that people need thicker skin, and I don't think either of us will be able to change the other's mind.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2014-07-11 21:46:41
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Being offended at stuff has been America's favorite past time since 1990~
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-07-11 21:47:09
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Valefor.Endoq said: »
Being offended at stuff has been America's favorite past time since 1990~
Since they were British colonists.
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By Valefor.Endoq 2014-07-12 00:41:43
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Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
I lost track of who we were supposed to be treating as the victim... black women? Gays? or was is the EWEM?

/sigh

EWEM goes at the bottom of the minority privilege hierarchy.
Whats EWEM mean?
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By Voren 2014-07-12 01:20:03
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Lakshmi.Flavin said: »
I lost track of who we were supposed to be treating as the victim... black women? Gays? or was is the EWEM?

/sigh

The answer is yes

Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »
EWEM goes at the bottom of the minority privilege hierarchy.
Whats EWEM mean?[/quote]

In case you don't feel like digging a few pages back where it was asked and answered: Evil White European Male.