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White Gays Politically Incorrect
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-07-09 18:01:14
Dear White Gays: Stop Stealing Black Female Culture
Quote: You are not a black woman, and you do not get to claim either blackness or womanhood. There is a clear line between appreciation and appropriation
Nothing about whiteness will get a white person in trouble the way blackness can get a black person shot down in his tracks. These are just facts. It’s not entirely the fault of white people. It’s not as if you can help being born white in America, any more than I can help being born black in America.
The truth is that America is a country that operates on systems of racism in which we all participate, whether consciously or unconsciously, to our benefit or to our detriment, and that system allows white people to succeed. This system also creates barriers so that minorities, such as black people, have a much harder time being able to do things like vote and get houses and not have to deal with racists and stuff. You know. Casual.
But while you’re gasping at the heat and the steam of the strong truth tea I just spilled,what’s even worse about all of this, if you thought things could get even crappier, is the fact that all of this is exponentially worse for black women. A culture of racism is bad enough, but pairing it with patriarchal structures that intend to undermine women’s advancement is like double-fisting bleach and acid rain.
At the end of the day, if you are a white male, gay or not, you retain so much privilege. What is extremely unfairly denied you because of your sexuality could float back to you, if no one knew that you preferred the romantic and sexual company of men over women. (You know what I’m talking about. Those “anonymous” torsos on Grindr, Jack’d and Adam4Adam, show very familiar heterosexual faces to the public.) The difference is that the black women with whom you think you align so well, whose language you use and stereotypical mannerisms you adopt, cannot hide their blackness and womanhood to protect themselves the way that you can hide your homosexuality. We have no place to hide, or means to do it even if we desired them.
In all of the ways that your gender and race give you so much, in those exact same ways, our gender and race work against our prosperity. To claim that you’re a minority woman just for the sake of laughs, and to say that the things allowed her or the things enjoyed by her are done better by you isn’t cute or funny. First of all, it’s aggravating as hell. Second, it’s damaging and perpetuating of yet another set of aggressions against us.
All of this being said, you should not have to stop liking the things you like. This is not an attempt to try to suck the fun out of your life. Appreciating a culture and appropriating one are very, very different things, with a much thicker line than some people think, if you use all of the three seconds it takes to be considerate before you open your mouth. If you love some of the same things that some black women love, by all means, you and your black girlfriends go ahead and rock the hell out. Regardless of what our privileges and lack of privileges are, regardless of the laws and rhetoric that have attempted to divide us, we are equal, even though we aren’t the same, and that is okay. Claiming our identity for what’s sweet without ever having to taste its sour is not. Breathing fire behind ugly stereotypes that reduce black females to loud caricatures for you to emulate isn’t, either.
So, you aren’t a strong black woman, or a ghetto girl, or any of that other foolery that some of you with trash Vine accounts try to be. It’s okay. You don’t have to be. No one asked you to be. You weren’t ever meant to be. What you can be, however, is part of the solution.
Check your privilege. Try to strengthen the people around you.
I love this article for a number of reasons. One it is the PC police hitting the LGBT community back, which it fully deserves. Two it's fairly accurate.
By Jetackuu 2014-07-09 18:09:50
That was a rather stupid rant.
By Sidiov 2014-07-09 18:11:16
I have a problem with this part: Quote: Nothing about whiteness will get a white person in trouble the way blackness can get a black person shot down in his tracks It's a two-way street. Because there are quite a few places where a person's 'whiteness' would get them blasted ASAP!
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By Leviathan.Hohenheim 2014-07-09 18:20:19
Meh, for some reason I really don't care :(
By Cua 2014-07-09 18:22:05
Im getting tired of these threads and im getting tired of baconwrap posting them.
What I read was just ridiculous.
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By Sylph.Safiyyah 2014-07-09 18:23:39
There's something to the argument that your sexual preference can't be immediately identified like your race; however, I am generally suspicious of a person's motives when they bring this up.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-07-09 18:26:09
Im getting tired of these threads and im getting tired of baconwrap posting them.
What I read was just ridiculous.
Don't click them then- that simple? Or is it that difficult?
It's a two-way street. Because there are quite a few places where a person's 'whiteness' would get them blasted ASAP! This article reminds me a lot of Whoopi Goldberg vs Ann Coulter on The View. I agree it's rather stupid that TIME published this article, but at the same time, it's interesting to see the PC police being directed back at the LGBT community. That's always fun.
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By Jetackuu 2014-07-09 18:29:41
Not really, PC is not really that funny, regardless of which side it's to/from.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-07-09 18:38:14
So... PCness is a good thing now? I'm confused.
By Lye 2014-07-09 18:39:59
A black woman is angry about gay white men speaking or acting in a manner that she believes is characteristic of "black women?"
(Edited to remove anything other people might not find funny)
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By Valefor.Tsurara 2014-07-09 18:40:18
I think everyone should get slapped upside the head, I've had my fair of getting whacked for doing stupid ***.
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By Asura.Razorbeast 2014-07-09 18:47:55
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-07-09 18:48:38
So... PCness is a good thing now? I'm confused.
I dunno is it a good thing?
Quote: "I don't find this offensive therefore no one else should." Good for you. You don't have to deal with similar situations. Have some cake to go with your privilege.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-07-09 18:55:03
Every time I see the words "check your privilege" I want to claw my eyes out. It automatically assumes so much that it's nearly a bigoted/racist phrase all on its own. (Edit:I'm not saying I don't get the term's point. By simply being white, or male, or, or straight, or a WASP specifically, life is just that much easier right from the start. But still. It assumes a lot of other things.)
That said, I give you this tangentially-related video.
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Cerberus.Pleebo
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-07-09 19:05:46
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »So... PCness is a good thing now? I'm confused.
I dunno is it a good thing?
Quote: "I don't find this offensive therefore no one else should." Good for you. You don't have to deal with similar situations. Have some cake to go with your privilege. You seem to think it is in this instance.
I guess that's one of my old posts? I'd dig up some of yours where you say political correctness is out of control and needs to be curtailed but so many of those older topics have mysteriously disappeared...
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By Valefor.Tsurara 2014-07-09 19:09:40
PCness all around!
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-07-09 19:10:03
You seem to think it is in this instance. I simply think it's hilarious that the PC police is being directed back and an overly PC minority group.
political correctness is out of control and needs to be curtailed So are you implying political correctness is out of control now? And that people can be hyper-sensitive?
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-07-09 19:16:52
No?
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2014-07-09 19:23:09
Haha they don't know which side to take because both are protected victim class's. One side is black women, which is two protected class's, but the other is member of LGBT. LGBT claim to be even more discriminated against so possibly they could clime a higher class status of victim hood. But they are also white, which is bad and takes away some of their victim status.
The question of which is right boils down to does the white LGBT member have enough protected victim status after deducting the penalty for whiteness then the black women?
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Cerberus.Pleebo
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-07-09 19:33:07
That moronic post speaks more about your thought processes than mine.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-07-09 19:34:38
I'm just going to sit over here and wait for the inevitable thread deletion.
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By Valefor.Tsurara 2014-07-09 19:42:59
Haha they don't know which side to take because both are protected victim class's. One side is black women, which is two protected class's, but the other is member of LGBT. LGBT claim to be even more discriminated against so possibly they could clime a higher class status of victim hood. But they are also white, which is bad and takes away some of their victim status.
The question of which is right boils down to does the white LGBT member have enough protected victim status after deducting the penalty for whiteness then the black women?
I don't take either side, I hate both equally. I think African American women can sometimes be very obnoxious and rude (but same with white women) and when I see one screaming like a banshee with that fake twang in her voice while I'm working, I want to shove the phone down her throat.
Homosexuality I just don't care about. I acknowledge it and respect it, I just don't care and they need to stop putting themselves in the media for Christ's sake before they start painting an even worse image/stereotype for homosexuals who are more mild and actually very friendly people.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-07-09 19:49:54
That moronic post speaks more about your thought processes than mine.
How is it moronic? He's absolutely right. This is irony at its best. Political correctness out of control.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-07-09 19:53:02
It's a sad attempt to make this about sides rather than pay attention to the actual argument.
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By Lye 2014-07-09 20:22:51
Someone needs to MSpaint some handsome blade with a caption like "awwwww lauuuuuuuud! Ain't nobody got time fo dat!!!!"
Autocorrect fought so hard to prevent that quote! /proud
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Lakshmi.Saevel
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2014-07-09 20:27:51
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »That moronic post speaks more about your thought processes than mine.
How is it moronic? He's absolutely right. This is irony at its best. Political correctness out of control. He is right, I forgot that the white homosexual is also male. His LGBT status only makes it ok to treat him humanely, otherwise his EWEM class removes any victim status he would otherwise have.
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By Cerberus.Balloon 2014-07-09 20:34:11
What in the hell is EWEM?
Cerberus.Pleebo
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-07-09 20:35:13
This is getting awfully complicated. I forgot to factor in EWEM so all my current calculations are shot to hell.
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By fonewear 2014-07-09 20:39:18
Im getting tired of these threads and im getting tired of baconwrap posting them.
What I read was just ridiculous.
See the key to P and R is to not read.
By fonewear 2014-07-09 20:51:28
Bismarck.Bloodrose said: »I'm just going to sit over here and wait for the inevitable gay fascism.
Actually PC is BS be it gay straight or miscellaneous.
Dear White Gays: Stop Stealing Black Female Culture
Quote: You are not a black woman, and you do not get to claim either blackness or womanhood. There is a clear line between appreciation and appropriation
Nothing about whiteness will get a white person in trouble the way blackness can get a black person shot down in his tracks. These are just facts. It’s not entirely the fault of white people. It’s not as if you can help being born white in America, any more than I can help being born black in America.
The truth is that America is a country that operates on systems of racism in which we all participate, whether consciously or unconsciously, to our benefit or to our detriment, and that system allows white people to succeed. This system also creates barriers so that minorities, such as black people, have a much harder time being able to do things like vote and get houses and not have to deal with racists and stuff. You know. Casual.
But while you’re gasping at the heat and the steam of the strong truth tea I just spilled,what’s even worse about all of this, if you thought things could get even crappier, is the fact that all of this is exponentially worse for black women. A culture of racism is bad enough, but pairing it with patriarchal structures that intend to undermine women’s advancement is like double-fisting bleach and acid rain.
At the end of the day, if you are a white male, gay or not, you retain so much privilege. What is extremely unfairly denied you because of your sexuality could float back to you, if no one knew that you preferred the romantic and sexual company of men over women. (You know what I’m talking about. Those “anonymous” torsos on Grindr, Jack’d and Adam4Adam, show very familiar heterosexual faces to the public.) The difference is that the black women with whom you think you align so well, whose language you use and stereotypical mannerisms you adopt, cannot hide their blackness and womanhood to protect themselves the way that you can hide your homosexuality. We have no place to hide, or means to do it even if we desired them.
In all of the ways that your gender and race give you so much, in those exact same ways, our gender and race work against our prosperity. To claim that you’re a minority woman just for the sake of laughs, and to say that the things allowed her or the things enjoyed by her are done better by you isn’t cute or funny. First of all, it’s aggravating as hell. Second, it’s damaging and perpetuating of yet another set of aggressions against us.
All of this being said, you should not have to stop liking the things you like. This is not an attempt to try to suck the fun out of your life. Appreciating a culture and appropriating one are very, very different things, with a much thicker line than some people think, if you use all of the three seconds it takes to be considerate before you open your mouth. If you love some of the same things that some black women love, by all means, you and your black girlfriends go ahead and rock the hell out. Regardless of what our privileges and lack of privileges are, regardless of the laws and rhetoric that have attempted to divide us, we are equal, even though we aren’t the same, and that is okay. Claiming our identity for what’s sweet without ever having to taste its sour is not. Breathing fire behind ugly stereotypes that reduce black females to loud caricatures for you to emulate isn’t, either.
So, you aren’t a strong black woman, or a ghetto girl, or any of that other foolery that some of you with trash Vine accounts try to be. It’s okay. You don’t have to be. No one asked you to be. You weren’t ever meant to be. What you can be, however, is part of the solution.
Check your privilege. Try to strengthen the people around you.
I love this article for a number of reasons. One it is the PC police hitting the LGBT community back, which it fully deserves. Two it's fairly accurate.
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