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Is the Tea Party Making a Comeback?
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-06-11 15:36:39
Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby said: »As an employee, to the market, you always get paid what you are worth. The sooner people can understand this basic truth, the better off we will all be. You don't though, people are constantly paid under what they are worth, your pure idea of a proper capitalist market in the job/employment sector is a pure myth.
The minimum wage should be a living wage, it isn't, that's the bottom line. I'm ok with increasing it only partially federally, but then local areas need to do their part as well for their areas.
As for the automation crap being spewed around: good, it will create more jobs that pay decently. You get paid what you are worth. If you are worth more, then by definition someone is willing to pay you that amount. Go there.
And ppl don't generally have an income problem, they have a budgeting problem. People aren not always paid what they are worth. The only thing you got right is that people are paid what people are willing to pay them... whether that's more or less than what they are actually worth to that company is somethign you have no clue about lol...
This is a prime example of a denial mechanism.
If you accept 50k a year for a job you usually get 60k a year for, you have just accepted the new value of the job. You don't get to say that you're being underpaid, you accepted the job. You can lament that you aren't getting anymore money, but you're really just bitching about a decision you freely made. You made the decision and don't wan't to own the responsibility of it, so you lash out and try and blame it on the other guy because he isn't readily willing to pay you what you want.
EX: If I grab some neighborhood kids and have them do some yard work at 15/hr and they accept it, they and I have established that the job is worth 15/hr. It doesn't matter if one of them worked for a landscaping company through which to do the same work would cost me 25 dollars an hour, the I have set my expectation and advertised the job. The market has found me a solution.
Would that kid like to be paid professionally 25/hr for the same work, sure. But this is what's available, if he doesn't think the job is worth that, then he can say "no thanks".
I am not a jerk because I don't want to pay a higher rate.
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Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-06-11 15:58:52
Personal responsibility is too hard. Can't someone else do it?
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By Jetackuu 2014-06-11 16:54:09
isolation can mean a lot of things. our constitution allows for free trade between other countries. it also says we are not to involve ourselves in other countries affairs. libertarians are all about a constitutional government. not the type of government we have now that uses the constitution as toilet paper on a daily basis. if you actually read the constitution you will find that a large majority of our so called leaders commit treason on a daily basis.
I've read the constitution, and while some of our "leaders" are treasonous ***, it's not due to protecting our interests abroad. it isn't our interests they are protecting. they are protecting their corporate masters interests at the cost of the tax paying American.
Matter of a lengthy discussion that I don't have time nor care for, but if you want to continue living under conspiracy theories, that's your prerogative.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-06-11 17:12:29
isolation can mean a lot of things. our constitution allows for free trade between other countries. it also says we are not to involve ourselves in other countries affairs. libertarians are all about a constitutional government. not the type of government we have now that uses the constitution as toilet paper on a daily basis. if you actually read the constitution you will find that a large majority of our so called leaders commit treason on a daily basis.
I've read the constitution, and while some of our "leaders" are treasonous ***, it's not due to protecting our interests abroad. it isn't our interests they are protecting. they are protecting their corporate masters interests at the cost of the tax paying American.
Matter of a lengthy discussion that I don't have time nor care for, but if you want to continue living under conspiracy theories, that's your prerogative. Translation: wormfeeder has won this round.
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By Jetackuu 2014-06-11 17:15:42
isolation can mean a lot of things. our constitution allows for free trade between other countries. it also says we are not to involve ourselves in other countries affairs. libertarians are all about a constitutional government. not the type of government we have now that uses the constitution as toilet paper on a daily basis. if you actually read the constitution you will find that a large majority of our so called leaders commit treason on a daily basis.
I've read the constitution, and while some of our "leaders" are treasonous ***, it's not due to protecting our interests abroad. it isn't our interests they are protecting. they are protecting their corporate masters interests at the cost of the tax paying American.
Matter of a lengthy discussion that I don't have time nor care for, but if you want to continue living under conspiracy theories, that's your prerogative. Translation: wormfeeder has won this round. Not in the least, but delusions of that level take a lot of time and energy to properly retort to, two things I'm a bit short on right now.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-06-11 17:44:32
isolation can mean a lot of things. our constitution allows for free trade between other countries. it also says we are not to involve ourselves in other countries affairs. libertarians are all about a constitutional government. not the type of government we have now that uses the constitution as toilet paper on a daily basis. if you actually read the constitution you will find that a large majority of our so called leaders commit treason on a daily basis.
I've read the constitution, and while some of our "leaders" are treasonous ***, it's not due to protecting our interests abroad. it isn't our interests they are protecting. they are protecting their corporate masters interests at the cost of the tax paying American.
Matter of a lengthy discussion that I don't have time nor care for, but if you want to continue living under conspiracy theories, that's your prerogative. Translation: wormfeeder has won this round. Not in the least, but delusions of that level take a lot of time and energy to properly retort to, two things I'm a bit short on right now. I think you waste more time and energy arguing for the sake of arguing than expressing your ideas, but perhaps that's just me.
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By Jetackuu 2014-06-11 18:13:07
It's not just you thinking that, but it's not accurate either.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-06-11 18:14:15
It's not just you thinking that, but it's not accurate either. You wasted time and energy countering Chaos alone!
Which you could have spent being a productive member of society too!
Pay your taxes yo!
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By Jetackuu 2014-06-11 18:15:20
It's not just you thinking that, but it's not accurate either. You wasted time and energy countering Chaos alone!
Which you could have spent being a productive member of society too!
Pay your taxes yo! I do pay my taxes thank you. Even shared the refund with the baby momma, which I didn't have to do, as she sure as hell hasn't paid any of my expenses over the past couple of years.
edit: the time and energy battling Chaos and his brand of trolling is easy. Much easier and less time consuming than discrediting a loon.
I decided to wait for this thing I'm doing online as well instead of continuing to do what I was doing otherwise which is offline.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-06-11 18:24:57
It's not just you thinking that, but it's not accurate either. You wasted time and energy countering Chaos alone!
Which you could have spent being a productive member of society too!
Pay your taxes yo! I do pay my taxes thank you. Even shared the refund with the baby momma, which I didn't have to do, as she sure as hell hasn't paid any of my expenses over the past couple of years.
edit: the time and energy battling Chaos and his brand of trolling is easy. Much easier and less time consuming than discrediting a loon.
I decided to wait for this thing I'm doing online as well instead of continuing to do what I was doing otherwise which is offline. That's because it's not trolling. It's called critical thinking for those who wish to do so.
By Jetackuu 2014-06-11 18:25:36
That's because it's not trolling. It's called critical thinking for those who wish to do so. whatever helps you sleep at night, comrade.
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Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-06-11 18:42:16
I sleep too much lately, actually.
By Altimaomega 2014-06-11 23:21:55
isolation can mean a lot of things. our constitution allows for free trade between other countries. it also says we are not to involve ourselves in other countries affairs. libertarians are all about a constitutional government. not the type of government we have now that uses the constitution as toilet paper on a daily basis. if you actually read the constitution you will find that a large majority of our so called leaders commit treason on a daily basis.
I've read the constitution, and while some of our "leaders" are treasonous ***, it's not due to protecting our interests abroad. it isn't our interests they are protecting. they are protecting their corporate masters interests at the cost of the tax paying American.
Matter of a lengthy discussion that I don't have time nor care for, but if you want to continue living under conspiracy theories, that's your prerogative. Translation: wormfeeder has won this round. Not in the least, but delusions of that level take a lot of time and energy to properly retort to, two things I'm a bit short on right now. I think you waste more time and energy arguing for the sake of arguing than expressing your ideas, but perhaps that's just me.
Nope, I noticed it as well.. espescially today.. In like 5-6 threads all he has done is argue about nothing.
Seinfeld would be jealous..
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By Jetackuu 2014-06-11 23:27:34
Discussing things that are way beyond your level of comprehension =/= nothing.
By Altimaomega 2014-06-12 00:14:30
Discussing things that are way beyond your level of comprehension =/= nothing.
You don't discuss anything, you pick and choose what words to try and dissect then claim to be smart...
Yet again #3 from the jet playbook.. Do you have more than 3 plays? Do you happen to coach for the Detroit Lions by chance?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-06-12 10:37:12
Discussing things that are way beyond your level of comprehension =/= nothing. By that logic you must be God.
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By fonewear 2014-06-12 10:45:39
I asked God what he thought of FFXIAH. He said too many ads for Arab singles.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-06-12 10:54:44
I asked God what he thought of FFXIAH. He said too many ads for Arab singles. Figures.
By fonewear 2014-06-12 10:55:42
Personal responsibility is too hard. Can't someone else do it?
Simpsons reference alert !
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Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-06-12 11:49:48
Personal responsibility is too hard. Can't someone else do it?
Simpsons reference alert !
 I was thinking of that too, lmao!
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Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-06-12 15:03:20
Someone needs to run with that slogan.
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By fonewear 2014-06-12 15:06:17
Someone needs to run with that slogan.
Ross Perot still around ?
Leviathan.Chaosx
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-06-12 15:07:47
Someone needs to run with that slogan.
Ross Perot still around ? Can't someone else do it?
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By fonewear 2014-06-12 15:08:47
Someone needs to run with that slogan.
Ross Perot still around ? Can't someone else do it?
Monica Lewinsky ?
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By Sylph.Safiyyah 2014-06-12 15:41:56
The tea party never went away to begin with.
Hopefully this sends a big enough message to the RINOs and liberals in the republican party. Amnesty = job loss!
The problem with this, which Cantor and Boehner realize, but you and the Tea Party do not, is that while being totally against immigration reform may win you a seat in the House, it makes you as a party unelectable in the national presidential election. The Republican party cannot continue to lose the Hispanic vote 70:30 and expect to win the presidency.
I'm not talking about the right and wrong of immigration reform, but just the political score keeping aspect. Personally I'm glad that Cantor lost, because he was a large part of why the government hasn't worked for the last six years, but as a liberal I want to see a clear and simple path to citizenship pass.
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By Ragnarok.Nausi 2014-06-13 07:48:39
The tea party never went away to begin with.
Hopefully this sends a big enough message to the RINOs and liberals in the republican party. Amnesty = job loss!
The problem with this, which Cantor and Boehner realize, but you and the Tea Party do not, is that while being totally against immigration reform may win you a seat in the House, it makes you as a party unelectable in the national presidential election. The Republican party cannot continue to lose the Hispanic vote 70:30 and expect to win the presidency.
I'm not talking about the right and wrong of immigration reform, but just the political score keeping aspect. Personally I'm glad that Cantor lost, because he was a large part of why the government hasn't worked for the last six years, but as a liberal I want to see a clear and simple path to citizenship pass.
You make the mistake of thinking that Hispanics want amnesty.
By Jetackuu 2014-06-13 12:28:04
Discussing things that are way beyond your level of comprehension =/= nothing. By that logic you must be God. sssh
Like I told that Bush fellow, downplay our relationship. afk, Cheney is calling.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-06-13 13:32:13
Quote: WASHINGTON (AP) — California Republican Kevin McCarthy secured a clear shot to becoming House majority leader on Thursday as his sole rival dropped his bid in a leadership fight that exposed deep fissures within the GOP.
Barring an unforeseen challenge, McCarthy is on a glide path to the No. 2 job in the House behind Speaker John Boehner, with elections slated for June 19. Earlier in the day, backers of the four-term congressman had spoken confidently about his prospects.
Texas Rep. Pete Sessions, in a statement late Thursday, said he had decided to abandon the race after it "became obvious to me that the measures necessary to run a successful campaign would have created unnecessary and painful division within our party." Source
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-06-13 13:47:07
Isn't he pro-amnesty? I'm sure the tea party nuts will love him.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-06-13 13:56:18
Isn't he pro-amnesty? I'm sure the tea party nuts will love him.
Seems so. But then again...
Quote: McCarthy has in the past expressed support for giving undocumented immigrants a path to legal status, although not full-blown citizenship.
McCarthy stressed earlier this year that his support for an opportunity to allow some undocumented immigrants to legalize their status was not tantamount to being in favor of amnesty, or rewarding people who break the law. Source
Interesting story today from Virginia:
Quote: House Majority Leader Eric Cantor of Virginia lost to a Tea Party challenger on Tuesday in a stunning Republican primary upset that sent shockwaves through Congress and gave the conservative Tea Party movement the biggest victory in its four-year history.
Cantor, the No. 2 Republican in the House of Representatives, was easily beaten by college economics professor David Brat, CNN projected. With nearly 90 percent of votes counted, Brat had 56 percent to Cantor's 44 percent.
Brat, a political newcomer who teaches at Randolph-Macon College, had argued Cantor was not conservative enough and accused the seven-term incumbent of betraying conservative values on spending, the national debt and immigration.
Cantor had been seen by many as an eventual successor to House Speaker John Boehner, and his loss is certain to unsettle members of both parties already nervous about the depth of anger toward Congress among voters.
Cantor had spent more than $5 million to head off the challenge from Brat, who spent about $122,000, according to the Center for Responsive Politics.
What's interesting is not only did the Tea Party candidate win, but also spent far less. $122,000 vs $5 million on his campaign.
However, the Tea Party still has a long way to go:
Quote: The victory followed a string of primary losses by Tea Party candidates this year to candidates backed by the Republican establishment.
The race was the highlight of voting in five states on Tuesday. South Carolina, Maine, Nevada and North Dakota were also selecting candidates for the Nov. 4 midterm elections.
U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina also faced a Tea Party challenge on Tuesday. Graham was expected to beat a crowded field of six challengers who had accused him of not being conservative enough. Source
Are they on the way to making a comeback this November?
Fox News seems to be somewhat optimistic.
Quote: The Tea Party movement would like to make clear that reports of its death have been greatly exaggerated.
Victories this week by Tea Party-backed candidates in Nebraska and West Virginia Republican primaries are helping to reinvigorate the movement, which some had written off amid a difficult campaign season. But as its own members point out, whether the movement is winning primaries or not, it's hard to argue its small-government message has faded.
Famous, or infamous, Tea Party-aligned lawmakers in Congress continue to play a strong role in the direction of the party. Polls of conservatives consistently show figures like Sens. Rand Paul, R-Ky., and Ted Cruz, R-Texas, as political favorites in a hypothetical 2016 race. And it is those figures who keep the Republican Party something of an evolving force -- Paul arguably made drones a bipartisan issue, and also filed a lawsuit this year against the administration over NSA surveillance, pushing the GOP to rethink the balance between security and privacy.
"Political pundits love to role-play as coroners, but they aren't very good at it," Tea Party Express Executive Director Taylor Budowich said after wins Tuesday night in Nebraska and West Virginia. "The mainstream media has been pushing the recycled 'Tea Party is Dead' headlines, but tonight's results show how again they've got it wrong. What these pundits don't understand is ... the broad appeal of the Tea Party's message of fiscal responsibility and economic growth."
In Nebraska, the primary victory by Republican Senate candidate Ben Sasse should help his party in November retain the open seat -- he is immediately considered the favorite for the seat held by retiring GOP Sen. Mike Johanns.
In West Virginia, former Maryland GOP chairman Alex Mooney won the Republican primary with spending help from such outside groups as the Madison Fund, the Senate Conservatives Fund and Tea Party Express.
The Tea Party is optimistic about winning both general election races -- with Mooney's 2nd Congressional District being a Republican stronghold and Sasse, a former Bush administration official, rebuffing the kind of fringe-candidate label that dogged some unsuccessful Tea Party candidates in 2012.
In addition, Tea Party leaders are touting the narrow victory Tuesday by Nebraska GOP Rep. Lee Terry for a House seat he is expected to keep and Florida businessman Curt Clawson's victory last month in a special election for the House seat left by Republican Trey Radel.
Still, it is becoming clear this year that the Tea Party will struggle to repeat its past record of ousting high-profile Republican incumbents in the primaries. Source
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