Cop Tasers Woman Multiply Times.....

EPD body cam video...

This is full of win. Internet has been won for today.

Shut up, no it hasn't.

Chris Hardwick hasn't given out the awards yet.

Is this thread in the right place?

Should actually be in Culture and Media, or Politics and Religion, though I would suspect C&M more.

Yeap, wrong thread. My bad. O well.

You can put this thread in various multiply places and perhaps it would still be in the right place.

I know Captain Raubahns Immortals can be monsters but really, this is excessive.

Watched the body cam video... she *** started it.

For those who don't want to watch it:

He was giving her a ticket for a valid reason, she bitched (and did something off camera that thunked), he told her to back off, she got belligerent, he tried to cuff her, she resisted, he shocked the ***out of her.

While I wont deny he was excessive, he did everything he really needed to do (on his camera no less), told her he was going to cuff her, warned her he was gonna taze her, and followed through with his threats. Miranda doesn't have to be read right as you're being cuffed despite TV, just somewhere before you're placed officially under arrest.

Na, he took things way to far. He was twice her size.

Twice her size or not, it's actually the smaller people in a fight, who will do the most damage, and get away with it.

If a single taze is not enough to render the woman incapacitated or neutralize the threat, it can be employed as many times as necessary, to reduce harm to the officer, and any bystanders. Also, she was warned.

Police officers deal with enough ***everyday, and have a family to go home to.

His size has nothing to do with it. I admitted I thought he was excessive with the cuffing, but even with media coverage no judge is going to go against this cop's body cam.

When an officer tells you to put your hands behind your back, saying "No" is resisting. When an officer says "I'm going to taze you, put your hands behind your back," the appropriate response is to shut the *** up and put your hands behind your back.

Miranda Rights do have to be given before any further questioning or at the time the charges are presented to you. Basically, sometime before you are booked into jail. However, you have your Miranda Rights regardless of whether they are read to you, and not being Mirandized isn't like a "get out of jail free card", they simply cannot use any further evidence obtained against you.

She was definitely irate, but the police officer's actions were excessive and he searched her without a female officer present. He should be fired, plain and simple, there should be ZERO tolerance for violations like that. He could easily have restrained her without putting his knee on her head, though I'm aware that it is also problematic to be on top of a person's body as a form of restraint. He is obviously angry in the video, and acting out of emotion when he grabs her arms and puts his knee down on her head.


That's rather over-simplified. You can "politely" ask if you are being detained and why. Unless you pose a threat, they have an obligation to make you aware of the supposed crime you are to be detained for. People seem to think that because a police officer tells you something that it is written in stone. They are trained in evasive speech and tactics and encouraged to find any reason to cite or detain people.

I politely decline to give an officer my ID unless they can show me some cause, since it's illegal for them to request it without.

He searched her pockets for weapons with another officer present to witness while on cam. No female officer needed, it was a non invasive search.

He patted her down, not a full body search, but that is invasive.

She was not polite from the get go once he told her he would have to give her a ticket if she couldn't find her insurance (despite him being calm and explaining things multiple times to her in the beginning of the confrontation). He could easily argue he felt threatened. He told her to go look for it multiple times, he told her to back off multiple times, he told her to place her hands behind her back multiple times, he told her he was going to taze her multiple times. You'd think she would've gotten the *** point that he wasn't in a good mood.

While I wont argue a good half of cops are total ***, they really aren't out to get you like you make it seem. Things go considerably quicker and smoother when you just cooperate with the simple ***.

If a cop pulls you over for whatever reason they felt like at the time, at most it is a minor inconvenience to you until you make it out to be a bigger one. If an officer asks for your ID and insurance just go with it unless you have a warrant or some ***. Asks to search your car without an order, then you can argue with him in a polite manor.

I didn't say that she was being polite, she obviously isn't, but that doesn't change your rights. And you're beyond naive if you think that officers aren't more than happy to put you in a position to incriminate yourself. Ever have a flat tire and an officer stops to make sure you're ok, then requests your credentials? In a lot of states, being in the breakdown lane alone is probable cause, in most, it's not. They won't tell you that you don't have to show them anything, they'll ask for it, and happily ticket or detain you based on anything they discover. Similarly, they routinely approach young people in public areas and tell them to get lost. I was told I was loitering in a public park... Um, what else would I do there?

People are far too willing to surrender their rights in order to avoid inconvenience, and that is exactly the reason why they lose those rights. I wouldn't advocate copping and attitude or being an ***, she should have taken the ticket and fought it in court, but short of brandishing weapon or making some type of implied threat, the level of force was emotional, like disciplining an insolent child.

As someone who has a criminal justice degree and works side by side with officers every time I'm at work (I'm in EMS), I'm sure I see things slightly different than your average citizen.

90% of their time, officers are out responding to calls. The rest of it is mixed between doing paper work, sitting at a post (or driving their posted area depending on city), or doing whatever they were assigned to do that day (such as walking around the park or highway/school zone patrol).

Yes, they are encouraged to give citations. It brings revenue for the city for minimal effort involved to help pay for... you know the police you called 911 for. Police, fire, and EMS are all giant money sinks for cities, but municipal services (and generally the people who join them) really are there to help people. People expect these services as a standard, there has to be a down side somewhere to help pay for it.

But let's face it, cops being *** and being the bad guy creates far more ratings than anything they do on an otherwise daily basis.

But none of that is relevant to this scenario. And again, I even agree he was being excessive.

He was calm in the beginning, she was being a ***. He did everything he needed to do, he said what he needed to say, he hit a gray area when she wasn't cooperating, and he caught the full scenario on camera (not just her being pinned to the ground). While he was an *** and didn't need to taze her, he followed protocol that allowed him to do so.

She was in a car accident, he had every right to ask all parties involved for proof of insurance, she didn't have it. All she had to do was shut up, eat the ticket, and take the ticket and proof of insurance to the court. A minor inconvenience (for something she should of had on her) that she turned into a big deal.

I'dve done the same thing if I was the cop.

I agree, she handled it wrong, that still doesn't mean that "keep your mouth shut and do what the officer says" is EVER the right thing to do. It's your responsibility to know your rights and exercise them. As often as a citizen goes over the line, an officer does, too, and that doesn't excuse or negate the purpose of law enforcement or their duties as public servants.

I'm not some punk kid with a loud stereo racing around town. I'm a 30-something with a family car, house, profession, etc. I don't speed or drive aggressively in any way, I know the laws well and am always polite. I get harassed constantly by law enforcement, like the incident a few weeks ago when I was sitting in the park during daylight hours waiting for my wife to get off work a couple blocks away. I was approached by 2 officers, questioned as to why I was there, they requested ID, then told me I was loitering and that I needed to leave immediately. They even had the balls to ask I had any drugs on me (I dress fairly well, well groomed, no piercings or tattoos, etc) and if I was meeting someone. Do please lecture me on how I should acquiesce to anything they want and be thankful for the opportunity.

Only thing that came to mind for the actual story:

Well said Jassik, well said.

I've really never had the 'opportunity' to be harassed by law enforcement.

It's usually the other way around, as in they kinda let me get away with a lot because they don't want to deal with me.

Not sure what I would do in someone else's shoes.

She was the instigator, period. It is very clear all he wanted her to do was stfu and back off so he could do his job. She became verbally aggressive, he responded. In this scenario, doing what the officer wants you to do is exactly the right answer. Why? So you don't give a reason to get the living ***shocked out of you and pinned to the ground.

She should of just gone back to her car and waited if she couldn't find the damned insurance card. From the looks of it, she was the one who had her car clipped and he probably wouldn't of given a *** about it if she had handled herself better.




Let's face it, you aren't required to have ID on you at all times. If you didn't have it, just say so. If you did, how much trouble is it really to show your ID and say "I'm meeting my wife here."?

If you aren't doing anything wrong, then there is no reason for making a mountain of a molehill.

They were paroling the park for a reason. They were assigned to do so. Could of been because of known drug dealings in the area, could of been as a deterrent, could of been because of frequent calls to the area, could of just been because that was were they were told to go. They talked to you because they were bored, they were trying to elicit a citation, they have reports of someone selling drugs in the area, honestly who the *** cares. I highly doubt your appearance or anything other than you were in their line of sight while they were on a shitty beat had anything to with it, they were probably just being *** and I'm sorry?

Fact remains, I highly doubt they were out to arrest you for some arbitrary reason. Worst case, they were douche bags being douche bags with a badge, middle ground they were trying to hit a citation quota or something.

Edit to add an addendum:
I'm sorry you had a bad experience, whether you believe it or not. But those one or two bad stories do not demote the other 99.9% of the actions that are generally positive for the community. Yes there are bad cops, yes there are corrupt cops, yes there are bad things... they are human.

But on the flip coin, it is also exceedingly easy to become jaded when you deal with the dreck of the universe every day you go to work. Just like your bad experiences are jading your opinions on officers at the moment. It is a thankless job that changes you as a person.

Ah, you're one of those people... Sorry, but I exercise any and all rights I possibly can at all times cause really, what else do you have, if even that. They can hound away all day if they want to see my ID, but so long as I'm not doing against the law they can shove that question right up where their dinner comes out.

Since I wasn't doing anything wrong, I suppose I should willingly submit to a credit check and cavity search, too? I didn't make a mountain out of anything, I politely declined to show them any ID and when told I was loitering and needed to leave, I again politely declined and asked what was the purpose of a public park if not to "loiter". I asked them to show me the ordinance that forbade me from enjoying the park I help pay for.

In this case, they were looking for punks selling drugs, they even told me that. They conveniently ignored the equally suspicious looking elderly women playing cards (possible illegal gambling) and the woman letting her dog crap and not picking it up and gunned straight for the lone young white male.

They were ***, patrolling doesn't include harassment. They were deterring what, exactly? People being in public? Why would they ask for ID if they know they are not entitled to it? Why would they tell me I was loitering if I wasn't? Why would they order me to leave the park without cause or authority?

You can attempt to justify their actions all you want, but don't accuse me of making mountains out of molehills.

Nothing to hide fallacy. Mostly directed at digital surveillance, but relevant none-the-less.

Weakness, do you also believe that you should sacrifice your privacy just for security? LOL