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By Altimaomega 2014-05-15 23:16:47
I don't expect somebody with the grammar of a 10 year old to understand, I really don't.
Yes there is a difference between a progressive and what neocons and other conservatives think a liberal is, something many people don't comprehend.
Yes! way to win an argument assault the grammar!!!! You sure told him dude.
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By aeronx 2014-05-15 23:17:23
I don't expect somebody with the grammar of a 10 year old to understand, I really don't.
Yes there is a difference between a progressive and what neocons and other conservatives think a liberal is, something many people don't comprehend.
Out comes the grammar Nazi lol. I'd love for you to enlighten me to the vast differences between a liberal and progressive. You know what they say about assuming that your smarter then everyone right.
By Jetackuu 2014-05-15 23:43:04
Whats the matter guys? All I hear in these forums is that more regulations and more taxes are good things! Sucks when it starts hitting close to home huh! god you're *** stupid, part of a lack of regulation (or enforcement thereof) is why ***like this is happening.
lol ok so your made about the FCC putting the smack down, and your mad that no regulation at all exists.. Bravo you've entered D. feinstein territory.... Hypocrite! There is no rational argument that one can derive from this statement.
By Jetackuu 2014-05-15 23:45:06
I don't expect somebody with the grammar of a 10 year old to understand, I really don't.
Yes there is a difference between a progressive and what neocons and other conservatives think a liberal is, something many people don't comprehend.
Yes! way to win an argument assault the grammar!!!! You sure told him dude. Considering that both of yours is so bad that it changes the entire structure of your sentence to the point to where it's illegible, yeah.
I don't expect somebody with the grammar of a 10 year old to understand, I really don't.
Yes there is a difference between a progressive and what neocons and other conservatives think a liberal is, something many people don't comprehend.
Out comes the grammar Nazi lol. I'd love for you to enlighten me to the vast differences between a liberal and progressive. You know what they say about assuming that your smarter then everyone right.
If you don't know then you're too stupid to understand in the first place.
Try to pry your *** out of the Fox "news" machine and actually educate yourself, take Alti with you.
Neither of you know what you're talking about, nor can even portray what you're trying to say in any legible manner.
How you both manage to use a keyboard is amazing.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-05-15 23:49:48
Usually it takes five pages for a thread to enter a flaming tailspin, what the *** happened in here?
By Jetackuu 2014-05-15 23:51:37
Usually it takes five pages for a thread to enter a flaming tailspin, what the *** happened in here? King started running his mouth on page one about crap he doesn't know what he's talking about. These two puppets woke up and decided to do the same.
I'm going to bed, somebody wake me if it actually gets to a decent conversation about how monopolies suck, and the US is severely behind other countries when it comes to their data infrastructure and the telecom utilities.
I still can't believe they're trying to make "Solyndra" happen though, anyone who actually looks at the facts will just shake their head about it. It's like them trying to rip on Tesla motors, yet they're too stupid to realize they've fallen for it.
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By aeronx 2014-05-15 23:58:30
I don't expect somebody with the grammar of a 10 year old to understand, I really don't.
Yes there is a difference between a progressive and what neocons and other conservatives think a liberal is, something many people don't comprehend.
Yes! way to win an argument assault the grammar!!!! You sure told him dude. Considering that both of yours is so bad that it changes the entire structure of your sentence to the point to where it's illegible, yeah.
I don't expect somebody with the grammar of a 10 year old to understand, I really don't.
Yes there is a difference between a progressive and what neocons and other conservatives think a liberal is, something many people don't comprehend.
Out comes the grammar Nazi lol. I'd love for you to enlighten me to the vast differences between a liberal and progressive. You know what they say about assuming that your smarter then everyone right.
If you don't know then you're too stupid to understand in the first place.
Try to pry your *** out of the Fox "news" machine and actually educate yourself, take Alti with you.
Neither of you know what you're talking about, nor can even portray what you're trying to say in any legible manner.
How you both manage to use a keyboard is amazing.
You would think with your wealth of knowledge that you possess that it would be easy for you to tell me. But then again you have no idea and just made a general statement like all your post seem to be.
Lol did I make any indication in any of my posts that I watch Fox News at all. Huge assumption there dude. Just for a sense of record I don't watch any cable tv news.
By Altimaomega 2014-05-16 00:00:15
Usually it takes five pages for a thread to enter a flaming tailspin, what the *** happened in here? King started running his mouth on page one about crap he doesn't know what he's talking about. These two puppets woke up and decided to do the same.
I'm going to bed, somebody wake me if it actually gets to a decent conversation about how monopolies suck, and the US is severely behind other countries when it comes to their data infrastructure and the telecom utilities.
Lets just have the government take over everything, that will work out excellent for everyone{/sarcasm}
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-05-16 00:04:16
Usually it takes five pages for a thread to enter a flaming tailspin, what the *** happened in here? King started running his mouth on page one about crap he doesn't know what he's talking about. These two puppets woke up and decided to do the same.
I'm going to bed, somebody wake me if it actually gets to a decent conversation about how monopolies suck, and the US is severely behind other countries when it comes to their data infrastructure and the telecom utilities.
Lets just have the government take over everything, that will work out excellent for everyone{/sarcasm}
Just my opinion, but I think a Government monopoly is better than a private monopoly. Neither is good, in fact, both are extremely bad. But yeah douche & turd argument.
Unfortunately, for the majority of the United States, healthy and sustainable competition in the telecommunications industry doesn't exist so we're forced to consider bad, but less worse options.
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By Altimaomega 2014-05-16 00:08:51
Usually it takes five pages for a thread to enter a flaming tailspin, what the *** happened in here? King started running his mouth on page one about crap he doesn't know what he's talking about. These two puppets woke up and decided to do the same.
I'm going to bed, somebody wake me if it actually gets to a decent conversation about how monopolies suck, and the US is severely behind other countries when it comes to their data infrastructure and the telecom utilities.
Lets just have the government take over everything, that will work out excellent for everyone{/sarcasm} Neither is good, in fact, both are extremely bad. But yeah douche & turd argument.
Unfortunately, for the majority of the United States, healthy and sustainable competition in the telecommunications industry doesn't exist so we're forced to consider bad, but less worse options.
Thanks for showing your true ignorance. I now have no need to ever respond to a post of yours again.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-05-16 00:10:39
Usually it takes five pages for a thread to enter a flaming tailspin, what the *** happened in here? King started running his mouth on page one about crap he doesn't know what he's talking about. These two puppets woke up and decided to do the same.
I'm going to bed, somebody wake me if it actually gets to a decent conversation about how monopolies suck, and the US is severely behind other countries when it comes to their data infrastructure and the telecom utilities.
Lets just have the government take over everything, that will work out excellent for everyone{/sarcasm} Neither is good, in fact, both are extremely bad. But yeah douche & turd argument.
Unfortunately, for the majority of the United States, healthy and sustainable competition in the telecommunications industry doesn't exist so we're forced to consider bad, but less worse options.
Thanks for showing your true ignorance. I now have no need to ever respond to a post of yours again.
Well, to be fair, you never could actually respond to anything I said. You just sputtered and made a fool of yourself.
I should probably add that by "Private Monopoly" I mean literally one private provider of a service. Not a Monopoly of an industry/service by the private sector...
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2014-05-16 00:36:58
Thanks for showing your true ignorance. I now have no need to ever respond to a post of yours again.
Mind citing some sources on why you think he's wrong? He didn't say he loves either, just choosing the lesser of 2 evils.
When the cost to entry is excessive, it isn't worth the risk to get in to an area. It's very expensive to supply internet to an entire country, so very few people are willing to risk it. And even if they do, without some heavy regulation, the larger providers can use their size and positions to put the others out of business easily.
A corporation who has a monopoly has 0 reason to improve anything or even keep it up to any standards. At least with a government we start out with a decent service level and have some say and our votes can sometimes make a difference.
I feel that my water is taken care of pretty well and while roads aren't perfect, I don't see any businesses doing any better. What are they going to do, build separate roads next to the existing ones? It just isn't possible to have some things be provided by the private sector.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-05-16 00:56:18
Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »Thanks for showing your true ignorance. I now have no need to ever respond to a post of yours again.
Mind citing some sources on why you think he's wrong? He didn't say he loves either, just choosing the lesser of 2 evils.
When the cost to entry is excessive, it isn't worth the risk to get in to an area. It's very expensive to supply internet to an entire country, so very few people are willing to risk it. And even if they do, without some heavy regulation, the larger providers can use their size and positions to put the others out of business easily.
A corporation who has a monopoly has 0 reason to improve anything or even keep it up to any standards. At least with a government we start out with a decent service level and have some say and our votes can sometimes make a difference.
I feel that my water is taken care of pretty well and while roads aren't perfect, I don't see any businesses doing any better. What are they going to do, build separate roads next to the existing ones? It just isn't possible to have some things be provided by the private sector.
I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming he thought I meant allowing private groups to monopolize things without government interference. What I actually meant (And what I assume most people understood) was that when I said 'Private Monopoly' it referred to a single entity having complete control over one or more industries/services.
My rationale for that is government tends to have more to gain from benevolence than private corporation. Generally the most hated companies are the most successful. (TWC great example)
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By Altimaomega 2014-05-16 01:09:16
Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »Thanks for showing your true ignorance. I now have no need to ever respond to a post of yours again.
Mind citing some sources on why you think he's wrong? He didn't say he loves either, just choosing the lesser of 2 evils.
When the cost to entry is excessive, it isn't worth the risk to get in to an area. It's very expensive to supply internet to an entire country, so very few people are willing to risk it. And even if they do, without some heavy regulation, the larger providers can use their size and positions to put the others out of business easily.
A corporation who has a monopoly has 0 reason to improve anything or even keep it up to any standards. At least with a government we start out with a decent service level and have some say and our votes can sometimes make a difference.
I feel that my water is taken care of pretty well and while roads aren't perfect, I don't see any businesses doing any better. What are they going to do, build separate roads next to the existing ones? It just isn't possible to have some things be provided by the private sector.
Private monopoly's do suck and are hard to over come but there is the option for ordinary people to challenge it. Once the government gets its hands on something, (lets be clear Federal Government) it will and does strong arm anything that challenges it. Not to mention the horrible way it runs everything it touches.
"Insert any and every Government program here"
Just cause its new lets use obamacare as an example.
Government decides to take over insurance.
Government writes new laws for insurance.
Governments new laws invalidate any existing contract, for their new contract and forces people to pay.
Insurance company's are forced to abide by new laws and rates or close down.
Did I mention Insurance rates are sky rocketing and will only go higher?
The remaining Insurance company's are now holding govenment made monopolys and are now puppets.
Insurance is not the first it has happened too. This strategy has been used for many type's of business. Albeit the forcing people to buy is brand new.
Edit: I'm in NO way saying insurance company's are good, many are not. The Fed. Government on the other hand is bat ***crazy for power and control.
As for your water and roads, those are taken care of by your state, county and township. It is government but state, county and township officials tend to do a better job and are a lot less corrupt.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-05-16 01:55:04
Nice job compartmentalizing State and Federal level governments to suit your need. And you dare question anyone's logic?
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-05-16 01:59:24
Ragnarok.Sekundes said: »Thanks for showing your true ignorance. I now have no need to ever respond to a post of yours again.
Mind citing some sources on why you think he's wrong? He didn't say he loves either, just choosing the lesser of 2 evils.
When the cost to entry is excessive, it isn't worth the risk to get in to an area. It's very expensive to supply internet to an entire country, so very few people are willing to risk it. And even if they do, without some heavy regulation, the larger providers can use their size and positions to put the others out of business easily.
A corporation who has a monopoly has 0 reason to improve anything or even keep it up to any standards. At least with a government we start out with a decent service level and have some say and our votes can sometimes make a difference.
I feel that my water is taken care of pretty well and while roads aren't perfect, I don't see any businesses doing any better. What are they going to do, build separate roads next to the existing ones? It just isn't possible to have some things be provided by the private sector.
Private monopoly's do suck and are hard to over come but there is the option for ordinary people to challenge it. Once the government gets its hands on something, (lets be clear Federal Government) it will and does strong arm anything that challenges it. Not to mention the horrible way it runs everything it touches.
"Insert any and every Government program here"
Just cause its new lets use obamacare as an example.
Government decides to take over insurance.
Government writes new laws for insurance.
Governments new laws invalidate any existing contract, for their new contract and forces people to pay.
Insurance company's are forced to abide by new laws and rates or close down.
Did I mention Insurance rates are sky rocketing and will only go higher?
The remaining Insurance company's are now holding govenment made monopolys and are now puppets.
Insurance is not the first it has happened too. This strategy has been used for many type's of business. Albeit the forcing people to buy is brand new.
Edit: I'm in NO way saying insurance company's are good, many are not. The Fed. Government on the other hand is bat ***crazy for power and control.
As for your water and roads, those are taken care of by your state, county and township. It is government but state, county and township officials tend to do a better job and are a lot less corrupt.
to be fair, should be using examples from both the republican and liberal camps, instead of only that which you oppose.
Edit: I wanted to point out some heavily glossed over truths about the ACA that is being ignored, but it would be ignored anyways, because of the fear-mongering propaganda that's already taken hold.
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-05-16 02:12:42
The government doesn't own a Monopoly on insurance.
It hasn't run any insurance companies out of the country, so that everyone is dependent on it's services alone.
The original model was based off of Governor Mitt Romney's design from Massachusetts. That original model was deigned un-Constitutional, and compromise was needed before it was deemed legally allowable, and the republican party fought it every step of the way, despite trying to find some middle ground.
The law allowed for insurance companies to raise their rates if they so chose, companies chose to nullify contracts within the confine of the law, though bad for business to do so, and have had to offer rates or break down policies to remain competitive with each other, and the government option, which keeps people working, and if injured or requiring immediate surgery, a way to pay it off, and still have money to put back into the economy, and having a place over their heads, instead of creating more down-trodden and destitute homeless families.
Additionally, forcing people to buy, isn't new. America closed off it's doors to international trade during the great recession in order to stabilize it's economy, until it was strong enough to stand on it's own. Forced to buy American products. Forced to hire American labor workers. Prices went up, and the economy flourished.
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By Altimaomega 2014-05-16 03:02:35
Must be nice to live in liberal land.
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By Ragnarok.Tatsiki 2014-05-16 06:10:00
I wake up to BAWWWWWWWW!?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-16 06:16:51
State-sponsored internet?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-05-16 07:14:56
Actually King, a lot of things the government does is because corporations are backing them or threatening otherwise. Remember Google's blackout? Congress had to shoot down SOPA and PIPA because of Google blacking out. That's protesting a regulation that was directly effecting them.
Not exactly the control that Jet and his liberal cronies state otherwise. They think that we are ruled by corporations and not by the government. There is a difference there...
Cablevision ftw. Will never touch Comcast, personally.
No restrictions, very fast, and lots of first notices about copyright nonsense. They just change your IP for their own legal reasons. Last first notice was 4-5 years ago too.
Also tons of Wifi hot spots all around too. Well, according to the naysayers, you will automatically be hit with limits and such because a direct competitor does so. And also, you have to start using that same direct competitor because they said so.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-05-16 07:17:01
Just my opinion, but I think a Government monopoly is better than a private monopoly. Neither is good, in fact, both are extremely bad. But yeah douche & turd argument. Contradict yourself much?
Oh wait, you do that all the time.
Nothing to see here folks.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-05-16 07:30:08
Quote: As for your water and roads, those are taken care of by your state, county and township. It is government but state, county and township officials tend to do a better job and are a lot less corrupt.
I...what is this, I don't even...
State and local governments are less corrupt than federal governments?
It gets worse the lower down the ladder you go until you get to local (city/township) governments, and at that point it continues to get worse the smaller your locale.
Most local governments are cesspools of nepotism, narcissism, personal grudges, elbow rubbing and grabassery.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-16 07:33:12
It's a shame Verizon will never expand their FIOS any time soon. They stopped a number of years ago. Only other option is DSL or satellite. Actually had Verizon DSL a few years ago, slow as ***.
Although doing a quick search in this area, using my address and zip code, it seems I have a slew of options. T3 sounds interesting too, lol.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-16 07:38:40
Quote: As for your water and roads, those are taken care of by your state, county and township. It is government but state, county and township officials tend to do a better job and are a lot less corrupt.
I...what is this, I don't even...
State and local governments are less corrupt than federal governments?
It gets worse the lower down the ladder you go until you get to local (city/township) governments, and at that point it continues to get worse the smaller your locale.
Most local governments are cesspools of nepotism, narcissism, personal grudges, elbow rubbing and grabassery. Definitely the case in NJ.
Hell, just this town alone switch garbage companies a few years ago. The one provided cheaper service by doing both types of recycles (paper & co-mingle) at the same time every 2 weeks rather than switching it every other week. Much more reliable and consistent in their pick up times.
The company our township went with though was more expensive, does pick up every other week of one type of recycle and constant complaints of garbage guys breaking stuff, knocking things over, etc. Why? Because the mayor has family that works for the more expensive company with shittier service.
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By fonewear 2014-05-16 07:53:43
State-sponsored internet?
Is that what those free AOL discs were ?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-05-16 08:23:09
Quote: As for your water and roads, those are taken care of by your state, county and township. It is government but state, county and township officials tend to do a better job and are a lot less corrupt.
I...what is this, I don't even...
State and local governments are less corrupt than federal governments?
It gets worse the lower down the ladder you go until you get to local (city/township) governments, and at that point it continues to get worse the smaller your locale.
Most local governments are cesspools of nepotism, narcissism, personal grudges, elbow rubbing and grabassery. As a general statement, it is true that the local levels are less corrupt than state, and state less corrupt than federal. There are exceptions, but if you base your assumptions on the exceptions alone, then it is a wonder how you live your life without jumping at every shadow....
The problem with local governments is the inability of new(er) ideas and people to take hold. Especially in a closed-knit society (remember, there are more local small town governments than larger cities/all states/federal government combined) where everyone knows your name, and people vote based on the perception of the person running, not on their viewpoints.
But local and state level corruption is far easier to catch and weed out than it is for the federal level. Mainly because of the government unions and how much power they hold over the governmental body. You can't even get fired for incompetence at the federal level, in fact, you get promoted based on it...
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-05-16 08:42:57
Quote: As a general statement, it is true that the local levels are less corrupt than state, and state less corrupt than federal.
Maybe a limited sample size for me, then. Then again, my state has one of the few (one of only two, I think) full-time state legislatures in the country. So obviously they think highly of paying themselves for doing ***-all nothing while generally trying to make everyone else's day harder. Local governments in my experience are no better.
Quote: There are exceptions, but if you base your assumptions on the exceptions alone, then it is a wonder how you live your life without jumping at every shadow....
I tend to be a fairly paranoid person about some things. It's true.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-05-16 08:46:24
Quote: As a general statement, it is true that the local levels are less corrupt than state, and state less corrupt than federal.
Maybe a limited sample size for me, then. Then again, my state has one of the few (one of only two, I think) full-time state legislatures in the country. So obviously they think highly of paying themselves for doing ***-all nothing while generally trying to make everyone else's day harder. Local governments in my experience are no better.
Quote: There are exceptions, but if you base your assumptions on the exceptions alone, then it is a wonder how you live your life without jumping at every shadow....
I tend to be a fairly paranoid person about some things. It's true. As somebody who audits local Texas towns/cities and parts of the state of Texas (well, I'm on the team of several firms, and we compile our findings in one large report) I find that there are more opportunities for corruption the larger number of people involved. Theory states the other way around, but reality, more power leads to more corruption, and the only way to get real power is to have more people you "serve."
Quote: Comcast Corp. says it plans to start limiting how much data its customers, which will soon include millions from Time Warner Cable, can use.
According to Computer World, Comcast executive VP David Cohen revealed the cable and Internet service provider would start capping data usage within the next five years. During a media summit with investors in New York on Wednesday, he called it "usage-based billing":
"That is the way you can deliver the equity proposition that heavier users pay more," Cohen said. "It really has nothing to do with [buying TWC]. It's a generic industry-related issue. [It's not] an open Internet issue... We think what we are doing is totally appropriate."
The Verge reports Comcast is testing monthly caps of 300GB (gigabytes) and 600GB in some markets, as well as a "flexible-data" option limited to 5GB. Subscribers who go over those amounts would pay extra fees, similar to the penalty for using too many minutes or text messages on a cell phone plan.
According to Digital Trends, Comcast currently uses 300GB monthly data caps in seven states: Alabama, Georgia, Kentucky, Maine, Mississippi, Tennessee and South Carolina. Users who go over pay $10 for an additional 50GB.
Tech Crunch reports Comcast is "still working out exactly where they can cap things before" customers start complaining and switching providers.
Cohen predicted the majority -- more than 98 percent -- of Comcast's customers wouldn't be affected by data consumption thresholds. However, he did admit it's difficult to predict technology usage, given how much it's changed in the last five years (Netflix, iPads, etc).
And with the company expected to finalize its $45 billion takeover of Time Warner Cable later this year, things could be really different in 2019. For example, another mega-merger is in the works: AT&T is reportedly in talks to buy DirecTV for as much as $50 billion.
But how much is 300GB of data? How much does the average cable television subscriber use versus a cord-cutter?
According to Digital Trends, the average person with Internet-only service uses 212GB of data each month -- more than seven times those who watch traditional television. The bulk of that difference comes from streaming movies and TV shows through services like Netflix, Hulu and Amazon Instant Video.
Comcast's Xfinity site has a data calculator that allows users to predict how much data they'd use. A family with five Internet-connected devices (computers, tablets, smartphones, etc.) that streams 16 two-hour HD movies and 20 hour-long TV shows; visits 100 websites; and listens to 40 hours of streaming music uses 310GB per month.
In related news, the FCC voted 3-2 on Thursday to propose new "net neutrality" rules, allowing ISPs to charge content companies (like Netflix) for faster and more reliable delivery.
This is fking lame. I'm on Comcast, and stream Netflix quite a bit, and FFXI of course.
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