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Comcast looking to impose data limits
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By Bismarck.Snprphnx 2014-05-15 12:57:36
Quote: Comcast Corp. says it plans to start limiting how much data its customers, which will soon include millions from Time Warner Cable, can use.
According to Computer World, Comcast executive VP David Cohen revealed the cable and Internet service provider would start capping data usage within the next five years. During a media summit with investors in New York on Wednesday, he called it "usage-based billing":
"That is the way you can deliver the equity proposition that heavier users pay more," Cohen said. "It really has nothing to do with [buying TWC]. It's a generic industry-related issue. [It's not] an open Internet issue... We think what we are doing is totally appropriate."
The Verge reports Comcast is testing monthly caps of 300GB (gigabytes) and 600GB in some markets, as well as a "flexible-data" option limited to 5GB. Subscribers who go over those amounts would pay extra fees, similar to the penalty for using too many minutes or text messages on a cell phone plan.
According to Digital Trends, Comcast currently uses 300GB monthly data caps in seven states: Alabama, Georgia, Kentucky, Maine, Mississippi, Tennessee and South Carolina. Users who go over pay $10 for an additional 50GB.
Tech Crunch reports Comcast is "still working out exactly where they can cap things before" customers start complaining and switching providers.
Cohen predicted the majority -- more than 98 percent -- of Comcast's customers wouldn't be affected by data consumption thresholds. However, he did admit it's difficult to predict technology usage, given how much it's changed in the last five years (Netflix, iPads, etc).
And with the company expected to finalize its $45 billion takeover of Time Warner Cable later this year, things could be really different in 2019. For example, another mega-merger is in the works: AT&T is reportedly in talks to buy DirecTV for as much as $50 billion.
But how much is 300GB of data? How much does the average cable television subscriber use versus a cord-cutter?
According to Digital Trends, the average person with Internet-only service uses 212GB of data each month -- more than seven times those who watch traditional television. The bulk of that difference comes from streaming movies and TV shows through services like Netflix, Hulu and Amazon Instant Video.
Comcast's Xfinity site has a data calculator that allows users to predict how much data they'd use. A family with five Internet-connected devices (computers, tablets, smartphones, etc.) that streams 16 two-hour HD movies and 20 hour-long TV shows; visits 100 websites; and listens to 40 hours of streaming music uses 310GB per month.
In related news, the FCC voted 3-2 on Thursday to propose new "net neutrality" rules, allowing ISPs to charge content companies (like Netflix) for faster and more reliable delivery.
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2014/05/comcast_cap_data_usage_limit_time_warner_cable.html
This is fking lame. I'm on Comcast, and stream Netflix quite a bit, and FFXI of course.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-05-15 13:06:24
It's Comcast. Complaining about them pulling this kind of ***is about as timely and engaging as complaining about EA pulling similar ***.
Change providers if you can. Write your congressmen if you can't. ISPs in the US need to be taught what competition really is; there's a reason this kind of nonsense doesn't happen as much in Europe and Japan.
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By Bismarck.Snprphnx 2014-05-15 13:10:06
Yea. I have no other legitimate option atm. Verizon isn't rolling out FiOS to my area in the foreseeable future, and the only other option is Verizon DSL, at 1.5mb download speed.
By Jetackuu 2014-05-15 13:12:50
It's the United States Government that's in the pockets of the corporations, complaining about them will get you nowhere.
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By Asura.Originalkord 2014-05-15 13:21:14
Seems to me that this is a terrible day to be the internet.
By Jetackuu 2014-05-15 13:23:09
It has been for awhile. What makes me more disgusted is that one of the authors of SOPA is from this state... and they keep reelecting his ***.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-05-15 13:23:24
It's the United States Government that's in the pockets of the corporations, complaining about them will get you nowhere. You need to loosen that tin-foil hat a bit.
By Jetackuu 2014-05-15 13:23:53
It's the United States Government that's in the pockets of the corporations, complaining about them will get you nowhere. You need to loosen that tin-foil hat a bit. It's not tin-foil hattery when it's well documented, and quite frankly blatant.
Most politicians are in the pocket of somebody, it's no secret.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-05-15 13:25:19
The Onion is not a reliable source Jet.
Just letting you know there.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-05-15 13:29:12
It's the United States Government that's in the pockets of the corporations, complaining about them will get you nowhere. You need to loosen that tin-foil hat a bit.
So the FCC chairman being a former telecommunication lobyist doesn't scream "problematic" to you?
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By Bismarck.Snprphnx 2014-05-15 13:43:37
It's the United States Government that's in the pockets of the corporations, complaining about them will get you nowhere. You need to loosen that tin-foil hat a bit.
So the FCC chairman being a former telecommunication lobyist doesn't scream "problematic" to you?
No more than top employees with Monsanto being appointed as top people at the FDA.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-05-15 13:46:10
It's the United States Government that's in the pockets of the corporations, complaining about them will get you nowhere. You need to loosen that tin-foil hat a bit.
So the FCC chairman being a former telecommunication lobyist doesn't scream "problematic" to you? About as much as the CEO of the programming company that built the first healthcare.gov website being the longtime friend of Michelle Obama.
Or how the CEO of Solyndra being a large campaign contributor to both of Obama's campaigns.
But neither of these bothers you, then your statement doesn't bother me.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-05-15 13:47:57
They're going the route of the Cellular service providers. Going to institute caps and charge more for usage. Soon they'll be rolling out plans specific to streaming separate from simple browsing and internet use.
Have you ever asked your Cellular service provider why smart phones require individual text and data plans. When text is data and less intensive compared to "data"?
They bank on the consumer not being smart enough to know.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-05-15 13:48:52
Satellite Internet providers have been doing this for years.
This really isn't nothing new.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-05-15 13:48:59
It's the United States Government that's in the pockets of the corporations, complaining about them will get you nowhere. You need to loosen that tin-foil hat a bit.
So the FCC chairman being a former telecommunication lobyist doesn't scream "problematic" to you? About as much as the CEO of the programming company that built the first healthcare.gov website being the longtime friend of Michelle Obama.
Or how the CEO of Solyndra being a large campaign contributor to both of Obama's campaigns.
But neither of these bothers you, then your statement doesn't bother me.
Neither of those examples work since they aren't involved in regulating their industry.
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By Leviathan.Redherring 2014-05-15 13:53:29
none of this is news, not sure why people all of a sudden noticed this.
they have been talking about the 300GB cap since at least november 2013 that i remember. i see there is talk about it long ago.
i guess the media started to run with this cause of all the net neutrality stuff
comcast already had a 250GB limit they just were not enforcing it.
http://corporate.comcast.com/comcast-voices/comcast-to-replace-usage-cap-with-improved-data-usage-management-approaches
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-05-15 13:55:23
It's the United States Government that's in the pockets of the corporations, complaining about them will get you nowhere. You need to loosen that tin-foil hat a bit. So the FCC chairman being a former telecommunication lobyist doesn't scream "problematic" to you? About as much as the CEO of the programming company that built the first healthcare.gov website being the longtime friend of Michelle Obama. Or how the CEO of Solyndra being a large campaign contributor to both of Obama's campaigns. But neither of these bothers you, then your statement doesn't bother me.
These all bother me and actually enrage me if I think about them too long. That our government is constantly bought and sold by big business is something that should never happen, yet has become so commonplace that we all just roll over and accept it.
I am not an Obama supporter. I just supported Romney and the Republic/Tea Party agendas even less.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-05-15 13:56:47
Satellite Internet providers have been doing this for years. This really isn't nothing new.
Something that directly affects you, potentially takes money out of your wallet while simultaneously offering you fewer options and more restrictions, and you're defending it?
It what way does this make sense from your regular standpoint?
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-05-15 13:57:24
I've got lolTWC so I've got to change ISP soon. Fortunately Verizon FIOS is an option in the area, but my apartments give free Time Warner Cable Television service (Cuz people still watch actual TV?), so I'm not sure if we have some kind of conflicting hardware.
To be honenst, I'm not all that surprised about the data caps and usage as I probably should be. Even telephones way-back-when had chages and overages associated with them. A Flat internet connection for the crazy Grandma who uses 1kb of internet to accidentally send a group email about muslims versus the Streamin-All-Day 102GB/Day user... Then again if you want to take the "Let the Free Market Sort it Out" approach, it helps when ISPs and TeleCOM providers don't hold monopolistic strangleholds over entire swaths of the nation.
I'm getting a big "Bait and Switch" overall, they're pushing both the DataCAP and Net Neutrality reformation knowing NN is going to spark the bigger shitstorm letting the Data limits fly under the radar. Both are serving the same goal though, letting cable companies maintain their control of a world ready to move on without them.
Just my ignorant opinion though, I'm sure Altimaomega or Savael will come in and tell me how wrong I am shortly.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-05-15 13:58:17
They're going the route of the Cellular service providers. Going to institute caps and charge more for usage. Soon they'll be rolling out plans specific to streaming separate from simple browsing and internet use. Have you ever asked your Cellular service provider why smart phones require individual text and data plans. When text is data and less intensive compared to "data"? They bank on the consumer not being smart enough to know.
More fun still, ask them why they ever charged for texts at all.
SMS texting is piggybacked on data transfers they already had to make. That's why the character limit was always there. They literally took something they already had to do for the service you were already paying them to provide and managed to get even more money for little extra work and nearly zero extra resource expenditure.
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By Leviathan.Redherring 2014-05-15 14:00:06
if those who use more should pay more how about a flat per gb model.
they would never do that cause the average household at the moment uses 3-4GB a month.
By Jetackuu 2014-05-15 14:00:49
I don't know what's worse, this buzzword or Benghazi, or the IRS thing.
None of which are actual scandals, but you know how certain people love to make ***up.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-05-15 14:00:56
I have been throttled in the past, I'm aware they already did this to a certain degree and it's frustrating as hell, but at least they didn't charge more for it.
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By Leviathan.Redherring 2014-05-15 14:01:08
Comcast should also remember what happened to AOL in the 90s
By Jetackuu 2014-05-15 14:01:44
They're going the route of the Cellular service providers. Going to institute caps and charge more for usage. Soon they'll be rolling out plans specific to streaming separate from simple browsing and internet use. Have you ever asked your Cellular service provider why smart phones require individual text and data plans. When text is data and less intensive compared to "data"? They bank on the consumer not being smart enough to know.
More fun still, ask them why they ever charged for texts at all.
SMS texting is piggybacked on data transfers they already had to make. That's why the character limit was always there. They literally took something they already had to do for the service you were already paying them to provide and managed to get even more money for little extra work and nearly zero extra resource expenditure. This, so much this!
By Jetackuu 2014-05-15 14:06:24
The Onion is not a reliable source Jet.
Just letting you know there. Neither is Fox, but you know, you keep sucking on their ***.
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By Ragnarok.Sekundes 2014-05-15 14:15:42
Not exactly on topic but related:
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Things are not going to get better if people do nothing. And if this and the comcast merger happens... shits going to get bad around here.
By Jetackuu 2014-05-15 14:33:30
I'd say it's rather relevant to the topic as it discussed monopolies pretty hardcore.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-05-15 15:15:33
Something that directly affects you, potentially takes money out of your wallet while simultaneously offering you fewer options and more restrictions, and you're defending it? A) I don't use Comcast, so it's not directly effecting me.
B) There are multiple options everywhere, you just got to know where to look.
C) I'm not defending anything. I mentioned that the Satellite internet providers have been doing these restrictions for years, and some people are finally pitching a fit over it because it's Comcast doing it...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-05-15 15:18:44
I don't know what's worse, this buzzword or Benghazi, or the IRS thing.
None of which are actual scandals, but you know how certain people love to make ***up. I guess lying to the public is acceptable for you then.
Oh wait, isn't that what your hero Clinton did when he testified to the Senate all those years ago?
Neither is Fox, but you know, you keep sucking on their ***. So, I watch Fox News now, even though I choose not to watch any news networks (or any TV shows period) and nearly all of my articles I post is from MSN.
But then again, you are a liberal, so you just make ***up in your mind and think it's true.
Quote: Comcast Corp. says it plans to start limiting how much data its customers, which will soon include millions from Time Warner Cable, can use.
According to Computer World, Comcast executive VP David Cohen revealed the cable and Internet service provider would start capping data usage within the next five years. During a media summit with investors in New York on Wednesday, he called it "usage-based billing":
"That is the way you can deliver the equity proposition that heavier users pay more," Cohen said. "It really has nothing to do with [buying TWC]. It's a generic industry-related issue. [It's not] an open Internet issue... We think what we are doing is totally appropriate."
The Verge reports Comcast is testing monthly caps of 300GB (gigabytes) and 600GB in some markets, as well as a "flexible-data" option limited to 5GB. Subscribers who go over those amounts would pay extra fees, similar to the penalty for using too many minutes or text messages on a cell phone plan.
According to Digital Trends, Comcast currently uses 300GB monthly data caps in seven states: Alabama, Georgia, Kentucky, Maine, Mississippi, Tennessee and South Carolina. Users who go over pay $10 for an additional 50GB.
Tech Crunch reports Comcast is "still working out exactly where they can cap things before" customers start complaining and switching providers.
Cohen predicted the majority -- more than 98 percent -- of Comcast's customers wouldn't be affected by data consumption thresholds. However, he did admit it's difficult to predict technology usage, given how much it's changed in the last five years (Netflix, iPads, etc).
And with the company expected to finalize its $45 billion takeover of Time Warner Cable later this year, things could be really different in 2019. For example, another mega-merger is in the works: AT&T is reportedly in talks to buy DirecTV for as much as $50 billion.
But how much is 300GB of data? How much does the average cable television subscriber use versus a cord-cutter?
According to Digital Trends, the average person with Internet-only service uses 212GB of data each month -- more than seven times those who watch traditional television. The bulk of that difference comes from streaming movies and TV shows through services like Netflix, Hulu and Amazon Instant Video.
Comcast's Xfinity site has a data calculator that allows users to predict how much data they'd use. A family with five Internet-connected devices (computers, tablets, smartphones, etc.) that streams 16 two-hour HD movies and 20 hour-long TV shows; visits 100 websites; and listens to 40 hours of streaming music uses 310GB per month.
In related news, the FCC voted 3-2 on Thursday to propose new "net neutrality" rules, allowing ISPs to charge content companies (like Netflix) for faster and more reliable delivery.
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2014/05/comcast_cap_data_usage_limit_time_warner_cable.html
This is fking lame. I'm on Comcast, and stream Netflix quite a bit, and FFXI of course.
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