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America's Tax Burden to Rise
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-05-05 12:43:23
Would you like for me to hold your hand while you read it? so you can't prove your claims.
Right, don't think anyone is surprised. So, basically you want me to teach you principles of economics.
Why don't you stop being lazy and read it yourself. It will save you a lot of trouble in the long run when you ask for citation on basic knowledge of a subject.
edit: gdi, paged 3 times in a row...
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By Sylph.Shipp 2014-05-05 12:44:53
What makes me urban I listen to Kayne West. Needs more Vans from Hot Topic to be urban. Lol
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-05-05 12:44:57
I was describing the furthest extremes. Most rural communities have been modernized by one boom or another (it's a commonplace for a plant to get built or a mine or whatever, bolster an economy for a few years, and then move on leaving lots of people with little work). My friend's mother lives in a part of Illinois where cell phone reception basically does not exist (so much for nationwide coverage) and the only internet options are satellite or dial-up.
It's easy to forget that places exist off the grid to a greater or lesser extent and even easier to forget how many people reside there.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-05 12:46:14
Booms only lead to industrial complexes that in return control your mind and body.
By fonewear 2014-05-05 12:46:21
I live less than a half mile from a Verizon store and I can't get cell phone reception...
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By fonewear 2014-05-05 12:46:56
Booms only lead to industrial complexes that in return control your mind and body.
If you are talking about women I agree.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-05-05 12:48:08
I live less than a half mile from a Verizon store and I can't get cell phone reception... Don't live in a Faraday cage, dummy.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-05-05 12:48:32
What makes me urbana terrible human being is that I listen to Kayne West.
"FTFY"
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By Sylph.Shipp 2014-05-05 12:49:53
I was describing the furthest extremes. Most rural communities have been modernized by one boom or another (it's a commonplace for a plant to get built or a mine or whatever, bolster an economy for a few years, and then move on leaving lots of people with little work). My friend's mother lives in a part of Illinois where cell phone reception basically does not exist (so much for nationwide coverage) and the only internet options are satellite or dial-up.
It's easy to forget that places exist off the grid to a greater or lesser extent and even easier to forget how many people reside there. Gotcha. I agree, too. It wasn't until about 2008, I think, that we got 3g coverage in my area, but now I can't find a place within 30 minutes from where I live that I don't get at least four bars on any service provider. It's very jarring to go to MS and forget that I don't get a signal there for even phone calls. There are still a lot of those areas, but yeah, it easy to forget about them if you don't frequent them and they are essentially residing outside your bubble of reality.
By fonewear 2014-05-05 12:52:32
I just found out yesterday my smart phone could make phone calls.
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-05-05 13:02:28
I just found out yesterday my smart phone could make phone calls. Those are just the voices in your head.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-05-05 13:04:15
I was describing the furthest extremes. Most rural communities have been modernized by one boom or another (it's a commonplace for a plant to get built or a mine or whatever, bolster an economy for a few years, and then move on leaving lots of people with little work). My friend's mother lives in a part of Illinois where cell phone reception basically does not exist (so much for nationwide coverage) and the only internet options are satellite or dial-up. It's easy to forget that places exist off the grid to a greater or lesser extent and even easier to forget how many people reside there. Gotcha. I agree, too. It wasn't until about 2008, I think, that we got 3g coverage in my area, but now I can't find a place within 30 minutes from where I live that I don't get at least four bars on any service provider. It's very jarring to go to MS and forget that I don't get a signal there for even phone calls. There are still a lot of those areas, but yeah, it easy to forget about them if you don't frequent them and they are essentially residing outside your bubble of reality.
Verizon is still the only provider that's reasonable for my hometown, and don't expect 3/4G unless you're outside. You go inside a building and you're lucky you have service at all. Depending on the coverage map you look at, AT&T does or doesn't "cover" the area, but Cricket covers the suburbs better than AT&T does my hometown (which is to say, bad and worse, respectively). I'm pretty sure T-Mobile and Sprint still aren't even sure that people live in Pennsylvania north of at I-80.
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By Sylph.Shipp 2014-05-05 13:09:36
I was describing the furthest extremes. Most rural communities have been modernized by one boom or another (it's a commonplace for a plant to get built or a mine or whatever, bolster an economy for a few years, and then move on leaving lots of people with little work). My friend's mother lives in a part of Illinois where cell phone reception basically does not exist (so much for nationwide coverage) and the only internet options are satellite or dial-up. It's easy to forget that places exist off the grid to a greater or lesser extent and even easier to forget how many people reside there. Gotcha. I agree, too. It wasn't until about 2008, I think, that we got 3g coverage in my area, but now I can't find a place within 30 minutes from where I live that I don't get at least four bars on any service provider. It's very jarring to go to MS and forget that I don't get a signal there for even phone calls. There are still a lot of those areas, but yeah, it easy to forget about them if you don't frequent them and they are essentially residing outside your bubble of reality.
Verizon is still the only provider that's reasonable for my hometown, and don't expect 3/4G unless you're outside. You go inside a building and you're lucky you have service at all. Depending on the coverage map you look at, AT&T does or doesn't "cover" the area, but Cricket covers the suburbs better than AT&T does my hometown (which is to say, bad and worse, respectively). I'm pretty sure T-Mobile and Sprint still aren't even sure that people live in Pennsylvania north of at I-80.
Hah, Sprint is still the only iffy carrier around here, though much better than ten years ago when I had them. AT&T is decent here, which is what I use currently, but it really depends on the area. Overall it's great, but if you happen to go through a dead zone, goodluck getting a signal if you breakdown while driving without walking for thirty minutes.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-05-05 13:13:24
Yeah. My hometown only has Verizon at all because they bought out the one or two tiny cell companies that covered the area back in the late 90s. Otherwise the area would probably still be completely devoid of signal. If you break down outside of town, you're still stuck trying to get help the old fashioned way.
Stick out your thumb and pray the guy who stops isn't Hannibal Lecter.
Edit: Or, you know. CB radio. Because...well, those are still a common thing in Pennsyltucky.
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By fonewear 2014-05-05 13:16:30
I pick up hitchhikers all the time. Turns out to be a good hobby.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-05-05 13:19:09
On the subject of introductory texts, this one should be of use to you King:
By fonewear 2014-05-05 13:21:25
This is the internet reading is discouraged.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-05-05 13:39:00
On the subject of introductory texts, this one should be of use to you King:
Can I borrow your copy? I know that you never opened it, so I will leave it in it's unmarked state.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-05-05 13:48:09
It seems like this thread has deteriorated into getting the last word in.
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On pins and needles waiting for the best.
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By Jetackuu 2014-05-05 13:52:21
Yeah. My hometown only has Verizon at all because they bought out the one or two tiny cell companies that covered the area back in the late 90s. Otherwise the area would probably still be completely devoid of signal. If you break down outside of town, you're still stuck trying to get help the old fashioned way.
Stick out your thumb and pray the guy who stops isn't Hannibal Lecter.
Edit: Or, you know. CB radio. Because...well, those are still a common thing in Pennsyltucky. I met her on my CB said her name was Mimi!~
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-05-05 13:57:46
Personally, and I know this has been danced around a little in this topic, I'd like to see some sort of population control put into place. There are a lot of valid complaints about China's human rights issues, but the simple fact of the matter is that their one child policy really should be more widespread.
Fewer people means fewer jobs needed, fewer mouths to feed, fewer people to educate, etc.
Part of the reason social programs work so well in other countries is because of limited populations compared to the U.S. and other countries with massive populations.
We need to find a way to control population. But, as the fiscal conservatives about the forum are fond of saying on the subject of equality/income/wealth distribution, you can't have an open, honest discussion on the topic because everyone gest emotional when you start talking about limiting people's ability to procreate at will.
Though I would hope those same fiscal conservatives would agree with me that if we had a lower population, we wouldn't have nearly as many of those problems.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-05-05 14:04:53
Personally, and I know this has been danced around a little in this topic, I'd like to see some sort of population control put into place. There are a lot of valid complaints about China's human rights issues, but the simple fact of the matter is that their one child policy really should be more widespread.
Fewer people means fewer jobs needed, fewer mouths to feed, fewer people to educate, etc.
Part of the reason social programs work so well in other countries is because of limited populations compared to the U.S. and other countries with massive populations.
We need to find a way to control population. <snipped out unneeded remarks> I agree with you 100%. However, I wouldn't like most methods it would take to do so.
China's method is probably the best way currently, but I don't think it is 100% effective.
I think more in line of a Child Tax (not to be confused with "kiddie tax") would stem the production of children as a full time job more effectively than most methods I have heard of.
I believe that the best incentive (or disincentive in this case) would be financial.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-05-05 14:05:16
Fiscally speaking, population control might be a sound idea. There's just no way it's ever going to happen in the U.S., so it's a moot argument to begin with.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-05-05 14:06:39
Fiscally speaking, population control might be a sound idea. There's just no way it's ever going to happen in the U.S., so it's a moot argument to begin with. Don't worry, people would talk about it, then blame the Republicans for not doing it. Or "preventing it."
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-05-05 14:08:22
Fiscally speaking, population control might be a sound idea. There's just no way it's ever going to happen in the U.S., so it's a moot argument to begin with. Don't worry, people would talk about it, then blame the Republicans for not doing it. Or "preventing it."
A woman should be able to do what she wants with her body. Unless it's bear children. I'd love to see that justified in the minds of the left.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-05-05 14:11:27
Fiscally speaking, population control might be a sound idea. There's just no way it's ever going to happen in the U.S., so it's a moot argument to begin with. Don't worry, people would talk about it, then blame the Republicans for not doing it. Or "preventing it."
A woman should be able to do what she wants with her body. Unless it's bear children. I'd love to see that justified in the minds of the left. But what about our so-called "War on Women"?
You know, the one between our "War on Minorities" and "War on the Poor"
Or is it between our "War on Freedom" and "War on the Constitution"? I can never keep track of our supposed wars.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-05-05 14:13:06
King arguing for population control via government interference and a tax based on children?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-05-05 14:15:16
I'm not sure where you get the "government interference" in population control.
A tax based on children, yeah. Government Interference, no, because that is about as worthless as setting up a helpline for Obamacare technical support.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-05-05 14:16:06
if they simply reduced the incentives people haveto have kids they can't afford and made birth control accessible and free, we'd see a pretty decent reduction in excessive and irresponsible breeding. and typically it's the religious right that has lots of kids, the ones on the left get a bad rap because they favor handouts to equally damaging and excessive tax credits.
Who like taxes? Not the people who pay them, is always the quick answer. However a new article from CNN had this to say:
Quote: The average American pays more in tax and social security than Canadians, Australians, the Japanese and the British.
But when you compare the American tax burden to other developed nations, the numbers don't look so bad.
New data from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development compared tax rates and social security deductions on average incomes in 34 countries.
The data shows that Belgians, Germans and Danes have the highest tax burdens, while South Koreans, Mexicans and Chileans have the lowest. Americans are about in the middle.
Further investigation into the report released from the OECD had this to say:
Quote: Personal income tax has risen in 25 out of 34 OECD countries over the past three years, as countries reduce the value of tax-free allowances and tax credits and subject higher proportions of earnings to tax, according to new data in the annual Taxing Wages publication.
The increases in tax burdens on labour income in 2013 were largest in Portugal (due to higher statutory rates), the Slovak Republic (due to higher employer social security contributions) and the United States (due to expiry of previous reductions in employee social security contributions).
The average tax burden on employment incomes across the OECD increased by 0.2 of a percentage point in 2013, to 35.9 percent, according to the report. It increased in 21 out of 34 countries, fell in 12, and remained unchanged in one.
The 2013 rise follows a substantial increase in 2011 and a smaller one in 2012. Since 2010, the tax burden has increased in 21 OECD countries and fallen in 9, partially reversing the reductions seen between 2007 and 2010.
The new findings on income tax burdens are among the highlights of Taxing Wages 2014, which provides unique cross-country comparative data on income tax paid by employees as well as the associated social security contributions made by employees and employers; both are key factors when individuals consider their employment options and businesses make hiring decisions.
With the world so intertwined economically today not paying taxes simply isn't a solution. But to be fair America's working class has had it pretty good when compared to other countries in the OECD. The joy ride may soon be over.
Quote: While some might want to complain and even go as far as saying this will hurt the working class, across the board taxes on wages are not only on the rise, they will continue rise as well this year. Seemingly harmful, this will allow business to perhaps again be flexible to hire more labor as the income once again attempts to even disburse itself throughout the masses.
Cheer up, when everyone is taxed we all wind up winner in the end. It’s the fight against taxes that will ultimately harm you.
Is there a solution to the increase in wage taxes for the working class? Or is this the solution we've been waiting for? Can higher taxes on labor once again bring prosperity to America's middle class?
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