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America's Tax Burden to Rise
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-05-05 14:19:57
if they simply reduced the incentives people haveto have kids they can't afford and made birth control accessible and free, we'd see a pretty decent reduction in excessive and irresponsible breeding. Which is why I would always be in favor of seeing the removal of the dependency clause and Child/Dependent Care tax credit on individual taxes.
edit: gdi, 4 pages in a row....
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-05-05 14:21:54
Fiscally speaking, population control might be a sound idea. There's just no way it's ever going to happen in the U.S., so it's a moot argument to begin with. Don't worry, people would talk about it, then blame the Republicans for not doing it. Or "preventing it." A woman should be able to do what she wants with her body. Unless it's bear children. I'd love to see that justified in the minds of the left. But what about our so-called "War on Women"? You know, the one between our "War on Minorities" and "War on the Poor" Or is it between our "War on Freedom" and "War on the Constitution"? I can never keep track of our supposed wars.
The War on Drugs, the War on Poverty, the War on Terror, the War of the Sexes, The War of the Roses, the War of the Worlds, the War to get into my pants.
It's all just meaningless jargon. It's not to say these things aren't issues (edit: ok, the last one isn't an actual issue). It's just all hyperbole for the sake of emotional response. Inequalities are real. Fiscally, socially, culturally.
But all the jargon and rhetoric that gets thrown around doesn't help. Of which I myself am guilty of sometimes.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2014-05-05 14:23:04
Would you like for me to hold your hand while you read it? so you can't prove your claims.
Right, don't think anyone is surprised. So, basically you want me to teach you principles of economics.
Why don't you stop being lazy and read it yourself. It will save you a lot of trouble in the long run when you ask for citation on basic knowledge of a subject.
edit: gdi, paged 3 times in a row...
/sigh
Economics =/= accounting
Economics is a science where the theories are constantly being updated, expanded, and tested.
The CBO report that Chaosx posted didn't reference texbooks it referenced multiple studies that tested hypothesis (it also referrenced metaanalysis studies).
Key point: it did not reference a textbook claiming this is basic knowledge.
You claimed two statements are proven, it's up to you to prove them, not me.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-05-05 14:24:21
kara, remind us... what field are you in?
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By Bahamut.Kara 2014-05-05 14:25:52
Economics, subsection: finance.
Edit spelling ><
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-05-05 14:26:15
if they simply reduced the incentives people have to have kids they can't afford and made birth control accessible and free, we'd see a pretty decent reduction in excessive and irresponsible breeding. and typically it's the religious right that has lots of kids, the ones on the left get a bad rap because they favor handouts to equally damaging and excessive tax credits.
Both are equally guilty. End of story. I deal with both regularly, both personally and professionally.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-05-05 14:27:08
Econmics, subsection: finance.
What a lame job title.
Internet that ***up and call your self an Economancer.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2014-05-05 14:29:45
Econmics, subsection: finance.
What a lame job title.
Internet that ***up and call your self an Economancer.
Economancer!
/swirls cape and cracks the market whip
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-05-05 14:32:22
Econmics, subsection: finance. And you just now realized that Econmics =/= accounting?
Just wow.
But I'm sure your post to me above was full of all sorts of love and affection though.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-05-05 14:32:27
Econmics, subsection: finance. What a lame job title. Internet that ***up and call your self an Economancer. Economancer! /swirls cape and cracks the market whip
Chant a blessing to the old ones and summon forth the spirit of John Maynard Keynes!
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-05 14:35:12
Econmics, subsection: finance. What a lame job title. Internet that ***up and call your self an Economancer. Economancer! /swirls cape and cracks the market whip
Chant a blessing to the old ones and summon forth the spirit of John Maynard Keynes! Ugh, please don't. Keep him in the grave where he belongs.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2014-05-05 14:35:50
Econmics, subsection: finance. And you just now realized that Econmics =/= accounting?
Just wow.
But I'm sure your post to me above was full of all sorts of love and affection though. 
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By Bahamut.Milamber 2014-05-05 14:36:17
Econmics, subsection: finance.
What a lame job title.
Internet that ***up and call your self an Economancer.
Economancer!
/swirls cape and cracks the market whip
Arise taxes, arise!
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By Bismarck.Bloodrose 2014-05-05 14:53:23
Econmics, subsection: finance.
What a lame job title.
Internet that ***up and call your self an Economancer.
Economancer!
/swirls cape and cracks the market whip
Arise taxes, arise!
taxes are dispensed via chicken on a stick voodoo. That is all.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-05 15:04:01
Taxes are a big scam anyway.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-05-05 16:37:51
if they simply reduced the incentives people have to have kids they can't afford and made birth control accessible and free, we'd see a pretty decent reduction in excessive and irresponsible breeding. and typically it's the religious right that has lots of kids, the ones on the left get a bad rap because they favor handouts to equally damaging and excessive tax credits.
Both are equally guilty. End of story. I deal with both regularly, both personally and professionally.
agreed, i was commenting on perception more than anything.
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By Sylph.Shipp 2014-05-05 18:19:49
Econmics, subsection: finance. And you just now realized that Econmics =/= accounting?
Just wow.
But I'm sure your post to me above was full of all sorts of love and affection though.
What? Nobody made that claim. Lol
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-05-05 18:32:36
Taxes are a big scam anyway.
Anarcho-capitalism baby.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-05 19:17:18
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Taxes are a big scam anyway.
Anarcho-capitalism baby. Mises ftw.
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By Odin.Zicdeh 2014-05-05 19:46:50
I'm bored, if I say Obama three times, will the thread explode into another hilarious shitstorm?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-05-05 20:15:05
Obama!
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By Bismarck.Snprphnx 2014-05-05 20:38:58
Obama!
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-05-05 20:43:24
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By Gilgamesh.Tenshibaby 2014-05-06 15:22:28
I'm not a tax expert but I stayed at Holiday Inn Express last night. Makes you more of an expert than the sum total of this forum's liberals and so-called moderates.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-05-06 15:27:08
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-05-06 15:27:34
Econmics, subsection: finance. And you just now realized that Econmics =/= accounting?
Just wow.
But I'm sure your post to me above was full of all sorts of love and affection though.
What? Nobody made that claim. Lol Nobody made that claim that I said that Economics is the same as accounting, but Kara still assumed that I said it.
And you know what they said about assumptions....
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-05-06 15:29:36
If that is what you got out of what she said, then you missed the point. I, for one, am completely shocked that such as thing could happen.
Who like taxes? Not the people who pay them, is always the quick answer. However a new article from CNN had this to say:
Quote: The average American pays more in tax and social security than Canadians, Australians, the Japanese and the British.
But when you compare the American tax burden to other developed nations, the numbers don't look so bad.
New data from the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development compared tax rates and social security deductions on average incomes in 34 countries.
The data shows that Belgians, Germans and Danes have the highest tax burdens, while South Koreans, Mexicans and Chileans have the lowest. Americans are about in the middle.
Further investigation into the report released from the OECD had this to say:
Quote: Personal income tax has risen in 25 out of 34 OECD countries over the past three years, as countries reduce the value of tax-free allowances and tax credits and subject higher proportions of earnings to tax, according to new data in the annual Taxing Wages publication.
The increases in tax burdens on labour income in 2013 were largest in Portugal (due to higher statutory rates), the Slovak Republic (due to higher employer social security contributions) and the United States (due to expiry of previous reductions in employee social security contributions).
The average tax burden on employment incomes across the OECD increased by 0.2 of a percentage point in 2013, to 35.9 percent, according to the report. It increased in 21 out of 34 countries, fell in 12, and remained unchanged in one.
The 2013 rise follows a substantial increase in 2011 and a smaller one in 2012. Since 2010, the tax burden has increased in 21 OECD countries and fallen in 9, partially reversing the reductions seen between 2007 and 2010.
The new findings on income tax burdens are among the highlights of Taxing Wages 2014, which provides unique cross-country comparative data on income tax paid by employees as well as the associated social security contributions made by employees and employers; both are key factors when individuals consider their employment options and businesses make hiring decisions.
With the world so intertwined economically today not paying taxes simply isn't a solution. But to be fair America's working class has had it pretty good when compared to other countries in the OECD. The joy ride may soon be over.
Quote: While some might want to complain and even go as far as saying this will hurt the working class, across the board taxes on wages are not only on the rise, they will continue rise as well this year. Seemingly harmful, this will allow business to perhaps again be flexible to hire more labor as the income once again attempts to even disburse itself throughout the masses.
Cheer up, when everyone is taxed we all wind up winner in the end. It’s the fight against taxes that will ultimately harm you.
Is there a solution to the increase in wage taxes for the working class? Or is this the solution we've been waiting for? Can higher taxes on labor once again bring prosperity to America's middle class?
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