Is It Time To Remove Under God From The Pledge?

Pretty sure Captain America did a better job of indoctrinating me to America: *** Yeah than the pledge of allegiance.

I prefer the theme of Team America be indoctrinated, at least then it'd be exciting.

In some form or fashion and to a certain degree we are all indoctrinated. Both intentionally, and as a side effect of simply being alive. It is the very nature of humans and an effect of our brain developing under the need of social constraints.

As much as we all would like to think that we analyze everything that we perceive for it's context and values, we don't, much of it slips through and you, me and everyone else has artifacts of this in our behaviors and our thoughts. While it is certainly something we want to work slowly away from, I don't know if it'll ever be possible to remove it completely.

Words are powerful things and they can affect us deeply, some more than others and perhaps not always in the intended manner but they certainly do.

Can we not say things that sounds mind blowing only to a 12 year old, please.

It's existance came into being to reignite some form of patriotism. It's purpose was not to blindly indoctrinate children into never questioning their government.

My problem with this whole discussion as well has to do with the focus only on small children as if this is the only place it is recited and theonly people it is for. Not only that, but even in the schools they make you say it in it's not like half the kids even take the time to memorize the few words that make up the pledge let alone memorize or affect them.

The pledge is recited before meetings of congress as well as other governmental functions. This was not something created to indoctrinate children nor does it have that effect.

As a few others have already addressed as well this didn't even start out with the under god in it soooooo the original intention was not to associate the two and others addressed why it was put in there.

People get angry because they don't like something then twist it to fit their agenda or world view.

tldr: it's about patriotism, not indoctrination or god ruling the seventh plane.


edit: Also, most people decrying the pledge wouldn't even give one ***if it didn't have the word god in it. You take that out ad there's no longer an issue for 99% of the people that have a problem with it. Indoctrination because god.

I'd like for this thread to just die, heck I'd like for any religion-based thread to just curl up and die. They serve no purpose save for people wanting to downtalk religion.

So indoctrination is just a part of life then?

I think the point is that when people start threads like this (especially coming from a certain Garuda resident), it usually is to demonize or ridicule religion.

First sentence describes textbook indoctrination. Literally: to bring into line with a doctrine. It's right there in a the roots.

Second sentence is NOT what is being argued. Dolt.

Pretty much this, whenever someone asks me if I am a Christian, the first thing they'll do is talk down at me. Then I come onto a forum I -think- is for gaming, yet all I see is stuff aimed at demonizing Christians, yeah it's starting to work my nerves when I try to defend them and yet someone ALWAYS has to butt in and call me an idiot or something. I can't prove God exists, it's called -faith-. The person practicing the religion is the one believing, oh well if someone else doesn't believe, don't go out of your way to make a religious person look stupid just because they don't have the ability to prove something -they- believe and not you, because they can't and it's only making the person attacking the religious person look like a pompous ***...

Thousands of children pledging in North Korea in one large cermony: indoctrination


USSR children pledging at young pioneers meetings: indoctrination



USA children pledging everyday in class: not indoctrination

It wasn't intended to be mind blowing, just true.

Yes, but that doesn't mean we should just accept any attempts at it. We need our children to question things and think critically and perhaps we need to add some basic psychology to our curriculum to make sure they understand how the brain works.

Fun fact: North Korea is the only existing Necrocracy in the world, in that it's current acting president is actually a man dead since 1994.

Kim Il Sung did not die. The dear leader became part of the lifestream and now controls all while existing as pure energy.

When did I say that any of those were indoctrination? Please tell me.

I wonder if you could summon him if enough of his essence were captured into crystallized form.

I'm pretty sure N.Korea has an entire science division dedicated to answering that question.

And you don't think this already happens? People just mindlessly recite it and require their children to recite it and we all become pleasant little sheep herded by god and nation?

When did I ever propose that we mindlessly follow?

Is the NSA or some other alphabet soup agency out there making sure that no one tells any children not to question these words? To make sure that parents don't make a peep and let them know they don't have to follow this? Do they force them to say it constantly until it is so ingrained in their memory that nothing else could even make its way in? Is it a crime to speak out against it?

You have to say his name backwards 100 times (Gnus Li Mik) in front of a stained glass mirror in a democratic Korea first.

Did I respond to you specifically?

In the US news/historians those are listed as indictrination activities.

Edit: but do you consider them indoctrination activities?

probably.

I do not consider reciting a pledge indoctrination. No.

It's only indoctrination if you don't like it. Don't forget.

All these years and the sporting events I've attended where they've sung the national anthem before the game... They've just been taking advantage of my love of sporting events to indoctrinate me! I feel so used!

I'll ask my kids if they even still do it, what they think about it, & if any ski-masked thugs in black garb have knocked them over the head for mumbling the last line or two.

we shall see!

I don't know about indoctrination but I could certainly use without listening to it every time I go to a game, having some 8-16 year old kid poorly draw out every note in a bad song while the rednecks hoot and hollar.

That's what I thought at first but since they sing it before every game here that must be the conclusion... We should billy club the guy that doesn't take his hat off or raise hi hand to his heart... and omg... if he deosn't stand up?!?!

That just means you're already indoctrinated.