Is It Time To Remove Under God From The Pledge?

Many, many beliefs had a God reborn during the spring equinox representing replanting/renewing the Earth.

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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2010/apr/03/easter-pagan-symbolism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ēostre

You pray to your god, I'll pray to mine, and leave it at that. If parents don't like a school system, then pull your child out and home school them, if not shut the *** up and carry on.

I'd agree if it weren't for the fact that it's not a viable option for many people, that and our government is supposed to be secular.

I think he phrases/abbreviations, gdi omg omfg wth should all be removed then. Because it should offend you that it references something you don't believe in.

I enjoy the blasphemy though.

Hitler enjoyed the Holocaust...

You do know that god (especially lower case) is a word that has been around longer than God and has a definition that does not refer to the Christian/Judisim proper noun exclusively.

People could be referring the god Mars, or the god Odin, etc.

And really how is it equilivant that internet lol speech is the same as a National pledge recited in public school everyday?

he's just being a whiny ***... (sorry but there's really no other way to explain it)

and:

he was also Catholic and had ties to the Vatican, and used his faith to inspire the troops, your point?

Odin > Yhwh, anyway.

I was almost sure this thread would go poof on page 3 anywho carry on lol I feel like ive worked 38 of the last 24 hours

There isn't, and I wasn't even trying to discuss that. I clarified something I thought Sparth wasn't aware of (it had nothing to do with the thread topic, but so did his post - the more you know right?). Then Milamber came along and stated an obvious outcome of something nobody suggested.

"Under Allah" would be fine in an Arab country.

Watermelon watermelon watermelon watermelon watermelon = patriot

It has just as much place as "Under God" in America.

It's only blasphemy if you're a believer.

So, technically, in order to blaspheme as an atheist (for instance), you'd need to say something like, "Damned entropy!" As someone who, when he actually does wish to express anger, says words like "blast!" and "bother!" instead of the litany of four-letter words that I use to look cool, I'm entirely comfortable with damning entropy.

7 pages, well done!

GOD BLESS AMERICA... LMAO plz

It's time to remove the Pledge of Allegiance; it's total indoctrination.

I like to think of it as "potential blasphemy" as, strictly speaking, I'm agnostic, not full-on atheist. Because there's no way I can know for certain about any sort of intelligence that may have set things into motion. I think the potential for a God as believed in Judeo-Christian or Muslim sense is absolute nonsense and inconsistent with what we know of the world and the universe.

That said, you know how some people use the arguement "Yeah, but how can you be atheist? You know? What if? This way I'm protected" (which admittedly is a failed argument, but not the point);

I take the opposite stance. If there IS any sort of God as described in the widely-accepted world religions (that is to say, people laugh at Wiccans or anyone who were to still believe in the Norse gods, for some reason)...if there were to be a God as indicated by these people, I want to offend him (because it's always got a ***, right?).

I want that mother *** to know what a piss poor job I think he's doing with the world. If there were a galactic community of Gods and he's say, just the one for this planet, someone needs to call Child Services on his ***.

Then you're at no risk for being a potential blasphemer. Blasphemy is faith-specific. If, every time I stub my toe, I reflexively shout "Joseph Smith!" I am not blaspheming because I'm not a Mormon. And will never be a Mormon. I may as well shout "Ben Franklin!" for all that it ultimately means. If I started shouting imprecations at Lao-Tzu, on the other hand... well, he'd just smile, anyhow. Blasphemy doesn't work well when religious figures don't have the kind of ego that gods have.

With regards to the rest, who's to say Child Protective Services hasn't been called? Our older brother, H. erectus, lived a long full life of 1,000,000 ridiculously successful and prosperous years. It is rather amazing that he even bothered evolving into the mutant forms that led to H. sapiens. But we've only been around for, what, a few tens of thousands of years? In galactic time, that makes us mewling infants, and we've only been slaughtering one another en masse and finding new and interesting diseases by *** green monkeys for the past 4,000 years or so. You can't expect CPS to show up within 10 seconds of little baby Homo sticking a fork into the electric outlet.

By page ten it will get really weird.

Fine. PSEUDO-blasphemy.

Or...something. You're making it no fun now anyhow.

Really, it's just a matter of culturally hearing "Jesus Christ!" and "God dammit!" etc. for so long that I say them regardless of any belief I have in place.

Which ultimately is where I stand on the pledge of allegiance. I just don't give a ***. I approach it with the same eye-rolling tedium with which I stand up and remove my hat for the SSB when I go to sporting events.

I love my country, for all its flaws, but I don't need some terrible song (and let's be clear; the SSB is ***-all terrible) or a class of bored students tediously receiting the pledge without convinction to convince me to do so. Adding "God" into it or not means squat to me, as the verse itself is meaningless. Even if they were reciting it with fervor and conviction it wouldn't mean anything to me. You see a lot of patriotic and nationalistic speeches and recitations in films of Nazi Germany and the USSR as well.

As far as God being an analog for a bad parent, we all know CYS doesn't show their head unless either 1) an official complaint is filed or 2) the parents are actively and publically mistreating the children. Accidental/ignorant self-inflicted damage isn't even enough to get them to answer the phone much less leave the office.

That is to say, maybe Galactic CYS has been called, they're just repsonding to actual problems with the alacrity and reason of most American CYS.

As do I. My pointing out that, as non-believers, it isn't blasphemous is exactly to stick it to that self-same culture that instilled its alleged blasphemies in the first damned place. I'm sure someone somewhere blasphemes Ganesha when they get caught in the rain without an umbrella, but no one has made it penetrate American culture so pervasively as to become meaningless.

And the utter meaninglessness of rote, cultural recitations is exactly why I don't really give two licks of a rat's *** about the Pledge and whether it has some vague deity in it or not. If the best you can do for your country is force your kids to jam God into something they literally don't understand, you may as well give up now. I see the people arguing on both sides of this debate the same way I see people whose lives peaked in high school: if that's all you've got, kill yourself and let someone else use the air you no longer need.

And for ***'s sake. STOP BREEDING.

And its not like people actually take it to heart (well a select few might) but most just recite it because it's mandated, and it does not make you a patriot just for saying it.

I think people need to learn what indoctrination is...

Inb4 hitler i.e Godwin's Law

In short, this classifies as indoctrination.

Too late. I already referenced the patriotic recital of nationalist propaganda in Nazi Germany.

It really doesn't. Inculcate is a new one for me though, thank you!