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School Bans on Chocolate Milk May Backfire
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-04-17 19:58:09
Simmer down Onorgul, I think I'm agreeing with you on the whole subject. Sorry, I do get wound up on this subject.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-04-17 20:00:33
Can't be all that HFCS.
By Jetackuu 2014-04-17 20:00:37
America = freedom
freedom = choice
choice = ban chocolate milk?
Where I live if someone would even mention this, they would be laughed out of the PTA meeting. schools are constitution-free zones, don't you know
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By Fenrir.Weakness 2014-04-17 20:01:44
Like I said, it's your health, not mine. I told my personal experience and you try to correct it? No, thanks, I'll stick my diet and eat healthy. If you're actually healthy, cheers. What kind of exercise are you capable of?
'cause, you know, anecdote means bugger all compared to science. Which is ironic when you pitch a fit at me about the scientific method. But if you're able to run a half-marathon or bike 50 miles or squat 200 lbs., you're probably healthy. If you're just going by having a 30' waist and an arbitrary BMI while huffing and puffing to climb 5 flights of stairs, though...
I would just like to note I can squat above 200 and I still huff and puff after 5 flights of stairs.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-04-17 20:02:36
I forgot the mental change in mood cutting out HFCS has too, until I came back here, lmfao!
Wow.
By Jetackuu 2014-04-17 20:02:44
strength is there but endurance isn't...
one of my larger problems (pun intended).
I used to be stronger though, like 7 years ago...
By Altimaomega 2014-04-17 20:02:55
America = freedom
freedom = choice
choice = ban chocolate milk?
Where I live if someone would even mention this, they would be laughed out of the PTA meeting. schools are Thought-free zones, don't you know
ftfy xD
By Jetackuu 2014-04-17 20:03:20
not disagreeing, in the public school setting anyway.
edit: we can talk about how they're run and the rules they make in that structure, or we could talk about changing the structure entirely, there's a lot of opposition to the latter, from many sides.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-04-17 20:03:36
strength is there but endurance isn't...
one of my larger problems (pun intended).
I used to be stronger though, like 7 years ago... I've only ever focuses on endurance.
By Altimaomega 2014-04-17 20:05:16
strength is there but endurance isn't...
one of my larger problems (pun intended).
I used to be stronger though, like 7 years ago... I've only ever focuses on endurance.
Endurance can get you pretty far.
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By Jetackuu 2014-04-17 20:05:34
strength is there but endurance isn't...
one of my larger problems (pun intended).
I used to be stronger though, like 7 years ago... I've only ever focuses on endurance. that's what she said!
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-04-17 20:05:46
Is that directed at me? Because I produce, from scratch, well over 90% of the food I consume. And I use table sugar when cooking or baking.
Just because I don't really eat that stuff doesn't mean I'm going to condemn it arbitrarily when the science does not support it.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-04-17 20:06:11
Stamina ftw!
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-04-17 20:07:59
Is that directed at me? Because I produce, from scratch, well over 90% of the food I consume. And I use table sugar when cooking or baking.
Just because I don't really eat that stuff doesn't mean I'm going to condemn it arbitrarily when the science does not support it. It's directed at people who consume far too much HFCS infused drinks and get mad when you tell them that's not healthy.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-04-17 20:09:09
Like I said, it's your health, not mine. I told my personal experience and you try to correct it? No, thanks, I'll stick my diet and eat healthy. If you're actually healthy, cheers. What kind of exercise are you capable of?
'cause, you know, anecdote means bugger all compared to science. Which is ironic when you pitch a fit at me about the scientific method. But if you're able to run a half-marathon or bike 50 miles or squat 200 lbs., you're probably healthy. If you're just going by having a 30' waist and an arbitrary BMI while huffing and puffing to climb 5 flights of stairs, though...
I would just like to note I can squat above 200 and I still huff and puff after 5 flights of stairs. So do you consider yourself healthy, then?
I have spent entire days at work carrying cabinetry up 3-4 flights of stairs. Nothing quite like 4 continuous hours of hauling 50-100 lbs. of wood, metal, and granite, up stairs while wearing steel-toed boots. And then hopping on my bike and riding at least 6 miles to get home and make dinner. I actually have no idea what I squat, though, because I see no reason to pay money for a gym membership while working this job.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-04-17 20:09:26
All that Snapple isn't doing you any favors either.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-04-17 20:10:08
I produce, from scratch, well over 90% of the food I consume. And I use table sugar when cooking or baking. Kudos! Real sugar is fine in moderation, like I said earlier.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-04-17 20:10:13
Is that directed at me? Because I produce, from scratch, well over 90% of the food I consume. And I use table sugar when cooking or baking.
Just because I don't really eat that stuff doesn't mean I'm going to condemn it arbitrarily when the science does not support it. It's directed at people who consume far too much HFCS infused drinks and get mad when you tell them that's not healthy. That's nice. So what's your level of fitness at? 'cause I love nothing more than cutting into skinny-fat people who preach bad science.
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By Fenrir.Weakness 2014-04-17 20:10:19
I'm far from healthy, but that is beside the point. I honestly don't know what the point was.
By Jetackuu 2014-04-17 20:11:33
I drink way too many, but I know and can admit that I do, sugary drinks, yet I'm not going to get mad at others for pointing out that truth.
I'm overweight and know what I need to do to fix it, but obviously it doesn't bother me enough to change it. (although I did buy a bicycle to start getting some exorcize)
There are those out there though that will get upset and tell you to stop persecuting fat people...
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-04-17 20:12:01
I'm far from healthy, but that is beside the point. I honestly don't know what the point was. There really wasn't a point in the inquiry to you, since I know what your fitness is like having discussed it with you. I was just curious since we had talked about it.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-04-17 20:12:19
All that Snapple isn't doing you any favors either. Fast forward to 2 years later and I only drink 32-48 ounces a day now. The rest is water.
EDIT: And the only other source of sugar I intake is from blackberries and raspberries, which also contain vast amounts of fiber.
By Altimaomega 2014-04-17 20:12:58
not disagreeing, in the public school setting anyway.
edit: we can talk about how they're run and the rules they make in that structure, or we could talk about changing the structure entirely, there's a lot of opposition to the latter, from many sides.
All the stuff I read about in the so called news nowadays seems to totally skip over my area.
No banning milk
No Obama mandatory diet
No common core
Kids actually are allowed to play cowboys and indians, they can even make the gun motion and say Bang!
About the only thing I can't complain about is the school system here.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-04-17 20:13:20
Is that directed at me? Because I produce, from scratch, well over 90% of the food I consume. And I use table sugar when cooking or baking.
Just because I don't really eat that stuff doesn't mean I'm going to condemn it arbitrarily when the science does not support it. It's directed at people who consume far too much HFCS infused drinks and get mad when you tell them that's not healthy. That's nice. So what's your level of fitness at? 'cause I love nothing more than cutting into skinny-fat people who preach bad science. Hold on I'll take this online test to figure out.
By Jetackuu 2014-04-17 20:15:10
not disagreeing, in the public school setting anyway.
edit: we can talk about how they're run and the rules they make in that structure, or we could talk about changing the structure entirely, there's a lot of opposition to the latter, from many sides.
All the stuff I read about in the so called news nowadays seems to totally skip over my area.
No banning milk
No Obama mandatory diet
No common core
Kids actually are allowed to play cowboys and indians, they can even make the gun motion and say Bang!
About the only thing I can't complain about is the school system here.
not really going to get into this as it's way too politically motivated of a comment.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-04-17 20:15:30
I sometimes wonder what people would be like if they didn't cling to their automatic partisan hate-speech. Because Barack Obama nor Michelle Obama have had any real impact on school diets seeing as schools are managed at the local and state level.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-04-17 20:16:45
not disagreeing, in the public school setting anyway.
edit: we can talk about how they're run and the rules they make in that structure, or we could talk about changing the structure entirely, there's a lot of opposition to the latter, from many sides.
All the stuff I read about in the so called news nowadays seems to totally skip over my area.
No banning milk
No Obama mandatory diet
No common core
Kids actually are allowed to play cowboys and indians, they can even make the gun motion and say Bang!
About the only thing I can't complain about is the school system here. Is fear mongering a required course?
By Altimaomega 2014-04-17 20:20:06
I sometimes wonder what people would be like if they didn't cling to their automatic partisan hate-speech. Because Barack Obama nor Michelle Obama have had any real impact on school diets seeing as schools are managed at the local and state level.
Have you seen the stuff Michelle Obama has been pushing on schools?
If its not coming from her, why is she "taking credit" who is doing it?
P.S. I have no clue what Big city school systems are like, I just know enough not to ever send a child to one.
By Altimaomega 2014-04-17 20:20:43
not disagreeing, in the public school setting anyway.
edit: we can talk about how they're run and the rules they make in that structure, or we could talk about changing the structure entirely, there's a lot of opposition to the latter, from many sides.
All the stuff I read about in the so called news nowadays seems to totally skip over my area.
No banning milk
No Obama mandatory diet
No common core
Kids actually are allowed to play cowboys and indians, they can even make the gun motion and say Bang!
About the only thing I can't complain about is the school system here. Is fear mongering a required course?
Its in between gym classes.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-04-17 20:22:17
Skipping over a few pages this whole thing looks like a bipartisan convergence zone to me.
Republican no fun zone and Democratic nanny state shake hands.
Oh... the chocolate milk they serve in schools is always almost always 2%. The butterfat content that isn't needed to bribe kids into drinking it is worth more elsewhere.
Alti can tell you all about the economics of butterfat content. When he talks about cows, dairy farming, or milk he is a knowledgeable, sustainable, best practices farmer.
Quote: THURSDAY, April 17, 2014 (HealthDay News) -- Banning chocolate milk from schools may sound like a good move for kids' health, but efforts to do so haven't turned out that way, a small study found.
Bans on chocolate milk in 11 Oregon elementary schools were linked to a big drop in the amount of healthy, fat-free white milk students drank, a team of Cornell University researchers reports.
Nicole Zammit, former assistant director of nutrition services at the Eugene School District in Oregon, wasn't surprised by the findings.
"Given that the role of the federal school meal program is to provide nutritious meals to students who may otherwise have no access to healthy foods, I wouldn't recommend banning flavored milk unless you have a comprehensive plan in place to compensate for the lost nutrients when kids stop drinking milk altogether," she said in a Cornell news release.
In the study, researchers analyzed data from 11 Oregon elementary schools that outlawed chocolate milk and replaced it with skim milk. While the bans meant children could no longer get the added sugar found in chocolate milk, there were unexpected consequences.
Total milk sales at the schools fell by 10 percent, the study showed, and students ended up wasting 29 percent more milk than before. And while the students consumed less sugar and fewer calories, their intake of calcium and protein also fell.
After the chocolate milk bans took effect, there was a also 7 percent decrease in the number of students taking part in the Eugene School District's lunch program, according to the researchers at Cornell University's Center for Behavioral Economics in Child Nutrition Programs.
"There are other ways to encourage kids to select white milk without banning the chocolate," study co-author Brian Wansink, director of the Cornell Food and Brand Lab, said in the news release.
"Make white milk appear more convenient and more normal to select," he said. "Two quick and easy solutions are: Put the white milk in the front of the cooler and make sure that at least 1/3 to 1/2 of all the milk is white."
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