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School Bans on Chocolate Milk May Backfire
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-04-17 19:25:47
Try going without any food or drink that contains HFCS and you will notice the difference within 2 week. After a month, personally, I lost 16lbs. It's just sugar. Go a month without touching wheat and you'll get the same result because that's just sugar, too.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-04-17 19:26:31
It's one of those, I think, that people need to try out themselves to believe it, rather than reading articles all day long.
I imagine I'd probably feel a lot better and lose a lot of weight, and I've tried to wean myself off it, just can't cut it... I used to be like that too a few years ago. Since the start of 2012 though I rarely drink soda. After being out of the country for so long, I rarely touch HFCS now too. It's an amazing difference, but now I'm always looking at food labels.
There is type of sugar, only real sugar and in moderation. Sodium content. And of course fat.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-04-17 19:28:02
Try going without any food or drink that contains HFCS and you will notice the difference within 2 week. After a month, personally, I lost 16lbs. It's just sugar. Go a month without touching wheat and you'll get the same result because that's just sugar, too. Not true. HFCS is way more dangerous than regular sugar. All I did was cut out HFCS and still drank Snapple, which has only real sugar, and that was enough to make a difference. Only diet change was HFCS.
By Jetackuu 2014-04-17 19:28:37
Who cancelled PE classes? and after-school sports are everywhere, at least lolfootball...
I don't know about cancelled but in my school the mine as well have. You couldn't do any sport or activity that had contact in the slightest. Couldn't do anything that might 'promote aggression'. Bunch of other equally ridiculous restrictions. As a results we would spend entire marking periods with some *** thing like square or line dancing... To which i generally said **** you and sat down. Or if you were rly lucky you could spend the whole time walking in a circle around the gym room. (Of course we had like 15 minutes in the locker room to 'get rdy' at the start, so that was a lot of time taken out of such horrendous activities. I can understand as to why, but meh.
I hated gym the whole time, but honestly didn't have a weight issue at all until i was on a certain medicine at 15/16 then after that I gained 70+ lbs, lost a lot of it, but gained a bit back when working overnights a few years ago, and haven't really lost it since, I need to work on that.
Try going without any food or drink that contains HFCS and you will notice the difference within 2 week. After a month, personally, I lost 16lbs. I like my soda too much, and water here tastes like ***.
It's just not satisfying anymore... I drank 6 cans of sprite a day when I was 13-14, and was borderline obese. It pretty much ruined my childhood and scarred me from all the bullying and abuse at that age. It's all I really knew though because soda was literally all we had to drink unless I wanted tap water, which as you say, is gross. Get a Brita filter, it makes a huge difference and makes you actually want to drink water.
If I ever have kids, I'm making sure to never keep soda in the house, and to always drink a lot of water around my kids to promote a healthy lifestyle. I never want my kids to have to suffer like I did growing up.
I'll drink a soda as a treat once every few weeks, but I'll never buy a six-pack (or more) of soda ever again. Drinking too much literally makes me feel sick now and I never drink it to satisfy thirst. I get really *** mad when my baby momma's family keeps giving her soda/tea, ***pisses me off...
Even bottled water doesn't taste good to me, I keep using the water flavor, but I have to use so much of it, and I keep running out...
I at least cut out the Mountain Dew Livewire, which was costing me at least $3/day...
By Jetackuu 2014-04-17 19:30:31
It's one of those, I think, that people need to try out themselves to believe it, rather than reading articles all day long.
I imagine I'd probably feel a lot better and lose a lot of weight, and I've tried to wean myself off it, just can't cut it... I used to be like that too a few years ago. Since the start of 2012 though I rarely drink soda. After being out of the country for so long, I rarely touch HFCS now too. It's an amazing difference, but now I'm always looking at food labels.
There is type of sugar, only real sugar and in moderation. Sodium content. And of course fat. both are "real sugar" just one is fructose and the other is sucrose...
By fonewear 2014-04-17 19:31:57
I can go without sugar beer however... I don't know.
I'm amazed how quickly I went from hating beer to loving it.
By Jetackuu 2014-04-17 19:34:55
I have a few other things that I could change personally first that would probably have larger effects, but it is a large one, I admit...
I only drank coffee a few times in my life and it was when I was working two jobs, and one of them I made coffee all night/morning, and haven't touched the stuff since I stopped working both.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-04-17 19:35:15
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-04-17 19:36:06
It even explains the corn industry's involvement in misinformation.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-04-17 19:36:23
Try going without any food or drink that contains HFCS and you will notice the difference within 2 week. After a month, personally, I lost 16lbs. It's just sugar. Go a month without touching wheat and you'll get the same result because that's just sugar, too. Not true. HFCS is way more dangerous than regular sugar. All I did was cut out HFCS and still drank Snapple, which has only real sugar, and that was enough to make a difference. Only diet change was HFCS. Ok, normally I wouldn't argue with people and the religions they build up about this month's media poster-child for obesity since I'd rather people just get healthier, but that was not the only change to your diet. Going by the numbers you posted, you also cut 1800 solid calories from your daily intake-versus-expenditure (which is, like, 4 liters of Coca-Cola a day, jesus).
Corn syrup is sugar. It's fructose. Do you eat apples? Exact same sugar in those. It's only marginally different in composition of saccharides from table sugar. There's no magic involved: it's sugar.
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By Jetackuu 2014-04-17 19:36:32
yeah, there's arguments coming from both sides about the effects of it, I'll let others fight that one.
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By Fenrir.Weakness 2014-04-17 19:37:50
It's one of those, I think, that people need to try out themselves to believe it, rather than reading articles all day long.
To put your theory to the test I don't think I have had much of anything with HFCS in a little over two months now. I have lost a whopping 8 pounds in those two months. Granted I have the occasional Monster (the absolute zero ones) in the morning to get me going. Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut, I have also been eating very healthy and exercising daily.
I'm not advocating for HFCS or anything, it is nothing but pure carbs and empty calories. But it isn't exactly the devil either. A soda here or there wont be a massive impact. People who are drinking them every day (or 3+ times a day even) though are where the whole hate thing comes from.
Everything in moderation. I don't understand what is so hard about that philosophy.
By Jetackuu 2014-04-17 19:39:30
I can't drink those things, they make me want to vomit.
Now as for soda: I went from 2-3 2 liters a day, down to about half a one to one, depending on the day, for awhile I was down to 20oz's.
Right now I'm below 2 liters.
I need to start chewing more big red, it makes me eat/drink less.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-04-17 19:42:10
Try going without any food or drink that contains HFCS and you will notice the difference within 2 week. After a month, personally, I lost 16lbs. It's just sugar. Go a month without touching wheat and you'll get the same result because that's just sugar, too. Not true. HFCS is way more dangerous than regular sugar. All I did was cut out HFCS and still drank Snapple, which has only real sugar, and that was enough to make a difference. Only diet change was HFCS. Ok, normally I wouldn't argue with people and the religions they build up about this month's media poster-child for obesity since I'd rather people just get healthier, but that was not the only change to your diet. Going by the numbers you posted, you also cut 1800 solid calories from your daily intake-versus-expenditure (which is, like, 4 liters of Coca-Cola a day, jesus).
Corn syrup is sugar. It's fructose. Do you eat apples? Exact same sugar in those. It's only marginally different in composition of saccharides from table sugar. There's no magic involved: it's sugar. Where on earth did you pull those numbers from? You must not know about the scientific method.
I never said how much soda I drank per day, just that after a month of just cutting out HFCS alone, I lost 16lbs. How you make stuff up after that is beyond me.
It was roughly anywhere from 4-7 12 ounce servings a day. I replaced it with 4-5 16 ounce servings of Snapple per day and still lost the weight.
But you know what, keep on taking all the HFCS you want. It's your health, not mine.
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By Fenrir.Weakness 2014-04-17 19:43:55
How about just water? Who wants to drink milk while eating chicken nuggets or a Jamaican beef patty anyway? I always hates that. Milk only goes with peanutbutter and jelly or baked desserts. It's a terrible beverage unless you're trying to be a bodybuilder, it's just not thirst quenching. Just give kids water or if they want flavours give them some water beverage that's verrrry lightly sweetened and fortified with minerals kind of like vitamin water but it doesn't have to be a name brand. Something light in sugar but high in minerals, like a powerade/vitamin water or something. Honestly there's really not much sugar in a half pint of chcofolaye milk, those cartons are small as hell and it's still coupled with protein which slows the sugar's entry into the blood stream. Rather have kids consume sugar if its paired with vitamins and protein and potassium than eating a cake or brownie which is loaded with saturated fats and preservatives.
Nobody has commented on this yet?
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-04-17 19:45:09
A soda here or there wont be a massive impact. People who are drinking them every day (or 3+ times a day even) though are where the whole hate thing comes from.
Everything in moderation.
Yes to all of this.
By Jetackuu 2014-04-17 19:45:44
I was going to, but got lazy.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-04-17 19:47:20
I was going to, but got lazy. Large intake of HFCS will have that effect.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-04-17 19:47:43
Where on earth did you pull those numbers from? You must not know about the scientific method. 3500 calories per pound of fat in the body, 16 pounds lost, averaged over 31 days. Although, you could well have lost a bunch of muscle tissue and water weight along with the fat, so it might be less than 1800 calories deficit per diem.
Scientific enough for you?
How 'bout this: look at the long list of references used by your HuffPost sensationalist. I'll spare you the trouble: one is a study about mercury presence in sugar sources (irrelevant to obesity, but a fair point) and the other is an article making a tentative link between corn syrup in soda and obesity published 7 years prior. Where's the citations for the bulk of his claims? Up his ***.
By Jetackuu 2014-04-17 19:48:50
I was going to, but got lazy. Large intake of HFCS will have that effect. ha, I'm also technically working right now.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-04-17 19:49:23
How about just water? Who wants to drink milk while eating chicken nuggets or a Jamaican beef patty anyway? I always hates that. Milk only goes with peanutbutter and jelly or baked desserts. It's a terrible beverage unless you're trying to be a bodybuilder, it's just not thirst quenching. Just give kids water or if they want flavours give them some water beverage that's verrrry lightly sweetened and fortified with minerals kind of like vitamin water but it doesn't have to be a name brand. Something light in sugar but high in minerals, like a powerade/vitamin water or something. Honestly there's really not much sugar in a half pint of chcofolaye milk, those cartons are small as hell and it's still coupled with protein which slows the sugar's entry into the blood stream. Rather have kids consume sugar if its paired with vitamins and protein and potassium than eating a cake or brownie which is loaded with saturated fats and preservatives.
Nobody has commented on this yet?
 What comment do you want? 50 calories in an 8 oz. serving. You think grade school kids should be chugging the full 32 oz. just to make it seem caloric or something?
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By Fenrir.Weakness 2014-04-17 19:51:04
Was more pointing out the 14 carbs per serving. And I would wager most people would drink the whole bottle within an hour long lunch. And the irony of it being a healthy alternative to milk.
Edit to clarify wording.
By Altimaomega 2014-04-17 19:53:35
America = freedom
freedom = choice
choice = ban chocolate milk?
Where I live if someone would even mention this, they would be laughed out of the PTA meeting.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-04-17 19:54:08
Don't sell the big bottle, then? Or use the sugar-free versions, though someone else will pitch a fit about how sugar alternatives give cancer and rape children and got George Bush/Barack Obama elected (delete whichever you like better).
*** eat food. I will say that the only points in that HuffPost article worth highlighting are the ones hidden at the bottom in between the conspiracy theory garbage:
1.) There's too much damned sugar in everything.
2.) Sugary stuff tends to be nutritionally poor.
Chocolate milk is the exception to #2.
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-04-17 19:54:45
Like I said, it's your health, not mine. I told my personal experience and you try to correct it? No, thanks, I'll stick my diet and eat healthy.
Imagine if I started to go on about the dangers of artificial sweeteners. Oy vey!
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By Leviathan.Chaosx 2014-04-17 19:57:04
America = freedom
freedom = choice
choice = ban chocolate milk?
Where I live if someone would even mention this, they would be laughed out of the PTA meeting. Remember true freedom is our ability to restrict the freedom of others.
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By Fenrir.Weakness 2014-04-17 19:57:04
Simmer down Onorgul, I think I'm agreeing with you on the whole subject.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-04-17 19:57:36
Like I said, it's your health, not mine. I told my personal experience and you try to correct it? No, thanks, I'll stick my diet and eat healthy. If you're actually healthy, cheers. What kind of exercise are you capable of?
'cause, you know, anecdote means bugger all compared to science. Which is ironic when you pitch a fit at me about the scientific method. But if you're able to run a half-marathon or bike 50 miles or squat 200 lbs., you're probably healthy. If you're just going by having a 30' waist and an arbitrary BMI while huffing and puffing to climb 5 flights of stairs, though...
Quote: THURSDAY, April 17, 2014 (HealthDay News) -- Banning chocolate milk from schools may sound like a good move for kids' health, but efforts to do so haven't turned out that way, a small study found.
Bans on chocolate milk in 11 Oregon elementary schools were linked to a big drop in the amount of healthy, fat-free white milk students drank, a team of Cornell University researchers reports.
Nicole Zammit, former assistant director of nutrition services at the Eugene School District in Oregon, wasn't surprised by the findings.
"Given that the role of the federal school meal program is to provide nutritious meals to students who may otherwise have no access to healthy foods, I wouldn't recommend banning flavored milk unless you have a comprehensive plan in place to compensate for the lost nutrients when kids stop drinking milk altogether," she said in a Cornell news release.
In the study, researchers analyzed data from 11 Oregon elementary schools that outlawed chocolate milk and replaced it with skim milk. While the bans meant children could no longer get the added sugar found in chocolate milk, there were unexpected consequences.
Total milk sales at the schools fell by 10 percent, the study showed, and students ended up wasting 29 percent more milk than before. And while the students consumed less sugar and fewer calories, their intake of calcium and protein also fell.
After the chocolate milk bans took effect, there was a also 7 percent decrease in the number of students taking part in the Eugene School District's lunch program, according to the researchers at Cornell University's Center for Behavioral Economics in Child Nutrition Programs.
"There are other ways to encourage kids to select white milk without banning the chocolate," study co-author Brian Wansink, director of the Cornell Food and Brand Lab, said in the news release.
"Make white milk appear more convenient and more normal to select," he said. "Two quick and easy solutions are: Put the white milk in the front of the cooler and make sure that at least 1/3 to 1/2 of all the milk is white."
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