Nyle Isle Static From Floor 1??

My not so super quick guide on how my group does nyzul:

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The jobs:
There are many set-ups that work, but this is how my group does it.
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blu/nin: kill ***, occasionally sleep (not often), nuke slimes (regurgitation is good) and flans (heat breath, regurg, digest, magic hammer).
mnk/nin: kill ***, good tank on boss.
thf/nin: kill ***, flee to rune if we end up miles away (it happens)
sam/nin: kill ***, /nin for cheap sneak/invis and for survivability on boss
rdm/whm: cure, refresh, sleep, nuke (slimes/puddings)
brd/whm: Has probably the most important job in my group, spends most of the time exploring and pulling mobs while the rest of us kill. If it's a floor where we kill everything, then he's constantly pulling to save us travelling time and let us kill back to back. If it's kill a certain mob type, he'll sneak and invis (where needed) find one of the mob, lullaby it, then sneak and invis back to us to pull the mob past several mobs back to the party, meaning we don't all have to sneak through the entire level all the time. Brd is also THE only job that can safely pull gears if there are more than one together and you're not allowed to agro them, horde lullaby is the only way to do this. Brd and blu are also the only jobs capable of dispelling ice spikes on flayers, which is a mob you will have to face often, and they will ALWAYS cast ice spikes.

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The floors:
Each floor can be summed up in one word, and one person should check the runic lamp at the start of each floor and say that one word so the rest of the party knows what to look for.

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Enemy: Kill one normal mob that checks Impossible to Gauge, make sure you know your NM's and don't waste time killing some obscure shitty NM you've never heard instead of the right mob if you're short on time.

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Enemies/Family: Kill a family of ToAU mobs, they will check Impossible to Gauge. These mobs can be: Ebony Puddings, Heraldic Imps, Racing Chariots, Psychflayers, Assorted Qiqirns, Porrogos, (maybe one more?).

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All: Defeat all mobs. Every single mob on the floor must be killed, regular mobs, NM's and the rampart (there's one rampart on every floor). The only exception is Archaic Gears, explained below.

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Leader: There will be one special coloured ToAU monster that will be Impossible to gauge. It can be of any of the same family as the "enemies" floors, but will have pretty colours. Floors 20, 40, 60, 80, 100 will always be leader of course. 20, 40 will be either Behe, Aspid or Faf, 60, 80, 100, will be Khim, Hydra or Cerb. Floor 100 can be especially dangerous as the bosses have access to their nastiest TP moves that they don't have access to on 60 and 80, in particular, Cerberus uses Gates of Hades after 20% which is nasty business.

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Lamps: Activate the lamps. There are three different types of lamp floors, and you will not know which until you find the first lamp. Hit the lamp, read what it says, then press escape (do NOT hit the lamp).

Same Time: All lamps (there will be 3 4 or 5) must be hit within 30 seconds of each other. It is possible for one person to hit up to 3 lamps if they're all in adjacent rooms.

Order: All lamps (there will be 3 4 or 5) must be hit in a specific order. This is one that brings a lot of people unstuck. Everyone should split up, make sure not to agro anything, and hunt down lamps. One person should be in charge of giving instructions, and should start by asking "who has lamp". Anyone that has found a lamp should respond with /, and stay by the lamp. As soon as three lamps are found, the person giving instructions should say "the order is person A, B, C, go". Person A hits lamp and types /, person B and C do the same in order. If there are only three lamps, they will now light up, and the other two people can stop looking, if there are more lamps, the other two people should say when they find them, and the person giving instructions should add them to the end of the order.
When all lamps are found and have been hit, they will light up, they will stay lit for about 10 seconds, then fade if they were hit in the wrong order. If your lamp goes out you should say "off", if other people say off and yours is still on, you should say "on".
Example: Order was person A, B, C, D, E. All lamps have been hit, A, B, D say off, C and E, say on. So we know C and E were hit in the right order, so we move everyone else foward one spot. New order is B, D, C, A, E. Person B hits his lamp and says /, as does D, C, A, E in that order. Notice that C and E have to hit their lamps again EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE STILL ON. This will either result in the floor complete, or C and E being the only people with their lamps still on again. If so, new order is D, A, C, B, E, and the floor should be complete, if the floor is NOT complete, then someone has *** up and it's quicker to just start the order again.

One: There is only one lamp on the floor, EVERYBODY in the party must hit it. It's generally best for everyone to split up and go searching on all lamp floors, but pay attention, because if there's one lamp you may find yourself way over on the other side of the map and have to come back. These floors can literally be over in 30 seconds sometimes.

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The other stuff:

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Archaic Gears: suck. Any floor except 20 40 60 80 100 can have an additional objective, written under the primary objective when you check the rune at the start of the floor. These are:
Do not AGRO gears: If you AGRO a gear (they detect true sight/sound, JA and magic) you will be penalised in any number of ways, it can be a time penalty, a potential token reward penalty, or an incumberance. Incumberances can most definitely get you killed and ruin your run. Incumberances can be any stat down, any type of magic unusable or ja/ws unusable. So if you agro a gear, you can get white magic locked off for that floor, which is very very bad, unless you have a dnc blu or smn, you could very well be ***. Depending on what your mission is for this floor, you can often just avoid the gears, but sometimes you have to pull them out of your way. This can only be done with /ra or brd songs (MAYBE magic from max distance, but don't think so). If there are two gears right next to each other, the ONLY way to do this is with horde lullaby, if you use /ra or any single target song, the other gear will link and count as agro, potentially crippling you. Also note that gears link with ramparts. Also note that when you hit a lamp, you lose hate on any mob you have hate on, this means that if you safely pull a gear, sleep it, then hit a lamp, you will lose hate and can RE-AGRO it, which will still get you a penalty. Once you have safely pulled a gear, you are free to kill it, but it's generally easier to keep them slept unless you start to get a back-log of them.

Do not KILL gears: This one is generally a lot simpler, because you just have to avoid gears at all costs, and keep any slept that you do agro. However, sometimes there are certain floors where it's next to impossible to avoid a few of these, and the sleepers can start getting overwhelmed with gears.

Dahaks: Every now and then you will come across a Dahak, I'm pretty sure they'll only turn up on floors where you have to kill everything, so if you see one, you'll have to kill it. Only once in my year and half+ of nyzul isle have I seen more than 1 in a run. They're *** annoying, and can easily wipe an unprepared group. We prefer to keep them silenced so that they can't use nullsong, and then the blu concentrates on head butting Body Slam. If you have no blu, it's probably best to NOT silence them, and click off all your buffs except utsu and probably haste, as nullsong does more damage depending on how many buffs you have. Petro eyes is ridiculously hard to stun, and I don't think turning away from it helps. For this reason your melee should space themselves out around the dahak, as well as the mages, so that two people don't get hit by this move at once. If you have no whm or sch, it's a good idea to have one of your support crew buy a cleric's drink, as this will remove petrification. Cleric's drinks also come in handy for removing bio and blind from flayers, as well as random crap from random NM's on occasion or from the some of the bosses.

Incumberances: I mentioned that you can get these from *** up on a floor with archaic weapons, but you can also randomly get an incumberance on any floor. Sometimes it won't matter a damn, like you might get CHR down, or even something like no summoning magic when you don't have a summoner, but sometimes these can HURT. No white magic, no ninjutsu, and no weapon skills are all killers, and two of these are big reasons why I say it's great to have a blu in your party. Blu can heal when white magic is restricted, and can also deal out big damage without weapon skills. The fight that I finally got my denali legs on we got no white magic on the boss floor, yet I main healed and we had no issues (it wasn't a particularly hard boss). I also strongly reccommend all melee buy a fanatic's drink for all boss fights. 1 minute of invincibility is godly, the only boss that will give you any sort of trouble with a fanatic's drink on is lolaspid with his breath spams.

Bonuses: Just like Incumberances, you can also get random bonuses, specific stat boosts, flurry (haste that stacks with haste) and regain are about all I can think of, but they're a nice little bonus.

Free Floors: Very rarely will you see one of these. It is a floor that the runic lamp will be active the moment you're on the floor, and you can immediately go to the next floor. Unless you are VERY short on time though, I reccommend you do NOT go straight to the next floor. These floors are loaded with chests with all sorts of goodies. Spend a couple minutes running around looting the chests and you'll be an absolute god when you get to the boss floor.

NM's: There are a stack of NM's in Nyzul Isle, they will all drop a chest with a ??? item that has a chance of appraising to the main drop of that NM. We've seen a V.bow, Multiple of those staves from Roc, Retaliators, Blood Bead Ring, a few Leaping Boots and a whole bunch of other crap. For the most part, these NM's are crap, but if you're a good group and you know you have enough time, you can be pleasantly rewarded by killing an NM that drops something you want. We ALWAYS kill Sim, Serket, Bloodbead, Western (or Eastern? can never remember) Shadow and a few others when we see them.

If you really want to be successful in Nyzul Isle, it's important that all 6 of your members know this whole guide off the top of their head. Above all else though, it's also important that everyone pays attention. Going afk for any amount of time not acceptable (what happens if you get a floor with one lamp? That's right, you wait). Not paying attention and killing the wrong ***/agroing stuff unnecessarily can cost precious time. Not paying attention and *** up the order of lamps can waste SO much time. Knowing what all types of mobs agro to is also really quite important and can save you time, if you come to a room full of fish and plants that you don't need to kill, it's good to know that you only need sneak and not invis, etc. *** this up and using invis and not sneak might get you killed, and if it doesn't it will still probably waste a lot of time.

Time is precious!

I don't really know all about nyzul

Read my massive wall of text. I know there are a lot of words, but I assure you it is actually a pretty good run down on Nyzul Isle.

wamoura are true sight. experience > all. good luck

How would SAM/DNC factor into this? You say it is for survivability on boss floors and for cheap sneak/invis, but /DNC can(and generally will) both outlast AND out-damage /NIN.

True sound actually... You were saying something about experience? :p

How would SAM/DNC factor into this? You say it is for survivability on boss floors and for cheap sneak/invis, but /DNC can(and generally will) both outlast AND out-damage /NIN.

SAM/DNC's are good from what I've seen. Only problem is spectral jig doesn't last long, but if you're good you can handle it.

/nin or I will choke you DDs

Sure let me just go get my other GK so I can dual wield th- OH WAIT

not the point of /nin >.>, but SAM has Seigan Third Eye which ppl seem to forget :/, /nin clashes w/ THird eye, but u can use them together great, but still jeez /nin isnt end all be all sub

#1: WAR/NIN is a great asset as well. Not only can they DD, but when they use Defender and some minor gear changes, they can tank the Bosses and/or Enemy leader. With Provoke, Warcry and a few pieces of gear with enmity, it's like having a temporary PLD when you need it, lol. This is one of the few times a WAR/NIN should definitely dual wield, either Maneater/Joyeuse or Woodville's Axe/Maneater.

The point of /NIN in Nyzul is so SAM can keep Hasso up and therefore rape face with shadows. /WAR you're just an MP sponge and a liability.

Meh for boss I go Berserk > 300TP steel cyclone > fanatics > wing > 300 steel > retalliation > king's justice/ raging rush
after that the boss should be close to death... I still go /nin so not to be a MP sink while going up

The thing is even you get hit for 0 dmg retalliation still goes off and you get a lot of TP

And for the going up I go man/joytoy since the mobs are fairly weak and they both do good dmg