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Jared Leto's Oscar Criticized By Transgender Community
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-03-04 13:58:47
Jared Leto's Oscar Win For 'Dallas Buyers Club' Criticized By Transgender Community
Quote: Jared Leto scored his first Oscar on Sunday night, taking home Best Supporting Actor for his role in "Dallas Buyers Club" as Rayon, an HIV-positive transgender woman living in Texas in the 1980s. Many in the transgender community are questioning why a straight, white male actor had the role in the first place, while others are taking issue with the fact that he did not thank the transgender community in his acceptance speech.
Jos Truitt of the blog Feministing wrote: "I have no interest in watching a cis man in drag play a trans woman ever again. No matter what Dallas Buyers Club does as a film, the narrative around this movie, the fact that a man in drag is playing a trans woman, perpetuates the stereotype that we are men in drag."
Putting such stereotypes in context, Time's Steve Friess compared Leto's portrayal of a transgender woman to the offensive "mammy" role popular in early 20th century cinema.
Although Rayon might not have been a real person, there were -- and still are -- many just like her.
“Leto’s portrayal was of a particular fictional transgender person at a particular time," Mara Keisling, executive director at the National Center for Transgender Equality, told The Huffington Post in an emailed statement Monday. "But we can’t forget that transgender people like Rayon did exist and do exist. To the film's credit, I think it accurately showed what the life of this brave person must have been and how she was treated. Our job is to make life better for transgender people like Rayon in the real world, and it really helps to have these lives told by Hollywood.”
However, Keisling did give Leto credit for at least alluding to the trans community.
“My interpretation of his acceptance speech is that he was talking about trans people when he called out to people who are disrespected for who they are.”
The "My So-Called Life" star has taken heat for the role before.
During a Q&A at the Santa Barbara Film Festival in February, Leto was heckled and accused of "trans-misogyny" for portraying the transgender Rayon, the Guardian noted. While the heckler took issue with the fact that a trans actor was not cast for the role, the 42-year-old actor said that ideology would then prevent members of the gay community from portraying straight characters.
It really upsets me that a film whose main plot is telling the story behind HIV/AIDS during the 80's is now being scrutinized by the "T" in LGBT as being "transphobic" or "tranmisogynous."
I've said this a few times before, but there comes a point where being too politically correct can be detrimental for a movement/cause, and this is a good example imo.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-03-04 14:06:49
I can't even name a single trans actor/actress..let alone find one who would be willing to play such a delicate role(he lost weight just for it didn't he?)
Good luck finding your perfect match for that role.
Is it really so important? Sometimes people seem to fight just for the sake of fighting.
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By Sylph.Rafaras 2014-03-04 14:14:18
I can't even name a single trans actor/actress..let alone find one who would be willing to play such a delicate role(he lost weight just for it didn't he?)
Good luck finding your perfect match for that role.
Is it really so important? Sometimes people seem to fight just for the sake of fighting.
Ya he did.
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By Shiva.Nikolce 2014-03-04 14:16:15
You Just Can't Satisfy Some LGBT
lol phrasing!
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-03-04 14:26:31
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »It really upsets me that a film whose main plot is telling the story behind HIV/AIDS during the 80's is now being scrutinized by the "T" in LGBT as being "transphobic" or "tranmisogynous." This ***has been going on for years. I don't know what it is, but there is a very small but very loud subset of the transgender community that will never be satisfied by anything.
It doesn't even make logical sense. A transgender person just wants to be recognized for what they perceive their gender to be. But these loud *** basically seem to operate on the principle that anyone who is cisgendered is wrong. They take a point that might have some traction and then drag it screaming into hell.
That said, I do vaguely understand the idea. I get tired of seeing straight men play gay men in movies and television when, c'mon, it's acting: they're plenty of gay men available. But I don't waste more than a few seconds on it. I perform with a men's chorus and we occasionally bring in a soprano because we only have one or two countertenors and they're not capable of the range necessary. We used her last year to add flavor to one song, which no one minded, and to basically carry the whole of another. A few people were irked by that latter because, you know, men's chorus, so why make the show-stopper basically be a 3 minute solo for a woman? But it still wasn't something I was going to get a headache about.
I can't even name a single trans actor/actress..let alone find one who would be willing to play such a delicate role(he lost weight just for it didn't he?) I don't know any trans actors, but there is a supermodel who is genetically male. Granted, she's practically the bionic woman because she was a frame-up rebuild, but she's ridiculously hot. Actually, there are several models like that. My google-fu is failing, but I'm sure someone can find them.
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-03-04 14:29:38
I would post it but every time I post it gets deleted. You can google Tyson Beckford and Transgender model to find it.
edit: Ines Rau or Carmen Carrera?
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By Lakshmi.Flavin 2014-03-04 14:31:00
I get tired of seeing straight men play gay men in movies and television. Should gay men not be allowed to play a straight role? Should we only get men in the military to play military roles? Should jason bourne really have formerly been in the CIA?!?!?
Actors portray something they aren't... it's their job..
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-03-04 14:35:40
I get tired of seeing straight men play gay men in movies and television. Should gay men not be allowed to play a straight role? Should we only get men in the military to play military roles? Should jason bourne really have formerly been in the CIA?!?!?
Actors portray something they aren't... it's their job.. Do you see me getting worked up about it? ***, I literally just said that I do not and you still latch onto it like a limpet.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-03-04 14:40:51
I can't even name a single trans actor/actress..let alone find one who would be willing to play such a delicate role(he lost weight just for it didn't he?)
Good luck finding your perfect match for that role.
Is it really so important? Sometimes people seem to fight just for the sake of fighting.
Not it isn't important, particularly when Jared Leto portrayed a drag queen in the film. Rayon is actually a fictional character comprised of numerous people who influenced Ron Woodroof. The transgender community is arguing that because Rayon "perceived herself as a woman," which i think is reading WAY TOO MUCH into the character- Rayon was therefore a transgender.
Rayon's makeup and the fact that she had a wig in my book makes her character a drag queen(a gay male who dresses as a woman for entertainment), not a transgender. I mean never in the film is HRT or SRS discussed, nor apparent, so why should one assume she is anything besides a drag-queen.
By fonewear 2014-03-04 14:42:23
Movies are serious business.
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2014-03-04 14:55:16
Should gay men not be allowed to play a straight role? Should we only get men in the military to play military roles? Should jason bourne really have formerly been in the CIA?!?!?
Actors portray something they aren't... it's their job..
I think if there's a healthy supply of them you should at least make an effort to find such an actor if you're going to make a pretentious "message" film. I'm always reminded of that full retard joke from Tropic Thunder, where filmmakers really don't actually give a ***about the issue they make a movie about to actually put their money on the line for the supposed topic. This applies to everything for me, whether it be race (See Dragonball/Last Airbender movie) or in this case, orientation.
But for me, most actors are pretty interchangeable (I never go to movies to see a specific actor).
I'm as familiar with the crazy section of the Transgendered community as anybody on the internet would be, but let's try to not let that get in the way of discussing the idea itself.
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By Bismarck.Ramyrez 2014-03-04 14:58:29
Quote: But these loud *** basically seem to operate on the principle that anyone who is cisgendered is wrong.
There's always fundamentalists in any movement that are bound and determine for things to be their way and their way only. Anything else is wrong.
Religious fundamentalists. Atheists. LGBT. "Pop vs. soda". Sheetz vs. Wawa (if you're from Pennsylvania).
I'll never get it. I understand it's happening, but I wish I knew how these people were so wired to go to these extremes.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-03-04 15:14:14
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Rayon's makeup and the fact that she had a wig in my book makes her character a drag queen(a gay male who dresses as a woman for entertainment), not a transgender. I mean never in the film is HRT or SRS discussed, nor apparent, so why should one assume she is anything besides a drag-queen. I haven't seen the film, so I cannot comment on it, but that same argument has been swirling around Angel in RENT since it was first staged. Sorting the difference between crossdressing, transvestism, drag, and transgender seems to be in the eye of the beholder when a fictional person is involved.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-03-04 15:41:33
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Rayon's makeup and the fact that she had a wig in my book makes her character a drag queen(a gay male who dresses as a woman for entertainment), not a transgender. I mean never in the film is HRT or SRS discussed, nor apparent, so why should one assume she is anything besides a drag-queen. I haven't seen the film, so I cannot comment on it, but that same argument has been swirling around Angel in RENT since it was first staged. Sorting the difference between crossdressing, transvestism, drag, and transgender seems to be in the eye of the beholder when a fictional person is involved.
Ultimately it's irrelevant what the character is. Articles like those in HuffPo, the Advocate and Frontiers take away from the general message of the film- HIV/AIDS and harsh drugs like AZT.
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By Anna Ruthven 2014-03-04 15:55:06
I can't even name a single trans actor/actress. Challenge accepted.
Alexis Arquette
Harisu (Korean)
Amanda Lepore?
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By Fenrir.Atheryn 2014-03-04 15:59:35
Jodie Foster. Just kidding.
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By Valefor.Sehachan 2014-03-04 16:28:00
Never even heard a single one of those names *shrugs*
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2014-03-04 16:36:07
How about Maddie Blaustein! Voice actress but hey- she could play both this:

and this
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »Ultimately it's irrelevant what the character is. Articles like those in HuffPo, the Advocate and Frontiers take away from the general message of the film- HIV/AIDS and harsh drugs like AZT.
I also have not seen the film, but as a general statement I think people are capable of having more than one thought on a film. Also the character was apparently completely fictional, so there's that. I dunno, can somebody explain to me why they think something like this is different than doing blackface/yellowface in a film?
By Jetackuu 2014-03-04 16:46:55
I still wish I never looked up the definition of the slang "cis"
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-03-04 17:07:35
Blackface and yellowface were about one-note performances that hinged on exaggerated racial stereotypes and characteristics. Not that gay stereotypes in the media aren't rather abundant, but I don't find anything inherently offensive about straight actors playing gay roles as long as that actor is allowed to humanize their character without relying on the standard tropes like sassy gay neighbor or sassy gay best friend.
One of the criticisms i read over Leto's role was that he pretty much played the gay equivalent of the Magical Negro against McConaughey's more fleshed out main character. I haven't yet seen the film so I don't know how much of that is true, but it is more frustrating for me to see gay characters portrayed so shallowly rather than being played by straight people.
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By Fenrir.Jinjo 2014-03-04 17:13:13
k, but na. a lot of the issue lies in this.
Quote: Quebec filmmaker Jean-Marc Vallée, who directed Dallas Buyers Club, spoke to CBC's Jian Ghomeshi, who asked whether he ever considered casting a transgender actor.
"Never. [Are] there any transgender actors?" he said. "I'm not aiming for the real thing. I'm aiming for an experienced actor who wants to portray the thing."
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By Leviathan.Kincard 2014-03-04 17:25:53
Blackface and yellowface were about one-note performances that hinged on exaggerated racial stereotypes and characteristics. Not that gay stereotypes in the media aren't rather abundant, but I don't find anything inherently offensive about straight actors playing gay roles as long as that actor is allowed to humanize their character without relying on the standard tropes like sassy gay neighbor or sassy gay best friend.
It depends on how far you're willing to extend the definition I suppose, but there are still portrayals in movies today that would be considered yellowface. Blackface not as much because to be blunt, people just care a lot less about Asians (to be more precise, people care a lot less about people who don't make up a large percentage of the population).
With race I guess there's a more obvious immediate thing to spot (physical differences) and something easier to get annoyed about. But in concept, is it really any different for a straight man to crossdresses and say they're playing a trasngendered role and a white man putting on whatever makeup so they can look Asian? They're both changing their appearance to suit whatever character they're playing, which you might argue that's what acting is, but I've just never bought the "it just wasn't possible to find a competent/equally suitable actor of that race" excuse.
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By Bahamut.Baconwrap 2014-03-04 18:22:38
k, but na. a lot of the issue lies in this.
Quote: Quebec filmmaker Jean-Marc Vallée, who directed Dallas Buyers Club, spoke to CBC's Jian Ghomeshi, who asked whether he ever considered casting a transgender actor.
"Never. [Are] there any transgender actors?" he said. "I'm not aiming for the real thing. I'm aiming for an experienced actor who wants to portray the thing."
Quote: “Of course there are transgender actors,” Vallee answered with, “Which ones? There’s like five, or three, or what — two? I never thought of that. I never thought of hiring a real rodeo guy to play the rodeo Ron Woodruff. And just like in every film — we’re actors, we’re directors. I’m not aiming for the real thing. I’m aiming for an experienced actor who wants to portray the thing.”
To be fair if we condemn Jared Leto for playing a "transgender" then should we also condemn Angelina Jolie for playing a diagnosed sociopath in Girl Interrupted?
As it stands transgender is a mental condition as defined by the DSM. We've allowed numerous actors to portray rolls of characters diagnosed with a particular "mental condition" with no problem.
EDIT: But again this is so irrelevant to the film. Their sexual identities are minuscule to major film topics: AZT, the FDA intervening in the approval of HIV meds, smuggling of meds across the border and side-effects of HIV meds.
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By Anna Ruthven 2014-03-04 18:27:38
Leviathan.Kincard said: »How about Maddie Blaustein! Voice actress but hey- Maddie Blaustein was intersexed, I'm not 100% sure how transgender applies to intersexed people.
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By Fenrir.Camiie 2014-03-04 18:44:21
Bahamut.Baconwrap said: »To be fair if we condemn Jared Leto for playing a "transgender" then should we also condemn Angelina Jolie for playing a diagnosed sociopath in Girl Interrupted?
As it stands transgender is a mental condition as defined by the DSM. We've allowed numerous actors to portray rolls of characters diagnosed with a particular "mental condition" with no problem.
What condition could cause someone to bring up the exact same point in every discussion of a particular topic?
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By Lakshmi.Zerowone 2014-03-04 18:46:36
Leviathan.Kincard said: »How about Maddie Blaustein! Voice actress but hey- Maddie Blaustein was intersexed, I'm not 100% sure how transgender applies to intersexed people.
Kinda like the Jamie Lee Curtis legend?
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By Ragnarok.Zeig 2014-03-04 20:41:09
Actually, there are several models like that Kayo Satoh (Kayo Police) is a Japanese fashion model that comes to mind (thank you, Street Fighter).
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By Valefor.Endoq 2014-03-04 20:48:47
idk about the LGT part but it's a given that you can't satisfy a bisexual without it being a 3 way. xD
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By Cerberus.Senkyuutai 2014-03-04 22:30:14
Actually, there are several models like that Kayo Satoh (Kayo Police) is a Japanese fashion model that comes to mind (thank you, Street Fighter). Kayo <3
Many models for sure, maybe the actors are a bit more discrete about it?
By Fumiku 2014-03-05 03:35:50
Yeah, as Ramyrez said, there is also going to be someone who didn't think it was exactly perfect.
The only thing you can do is watch the movie and see if someone portrayed the character to your liking. Hopefully actors/actress had done their homework on the role and did the best portrayal they possibly could and it be to your liking.
Jared Leto's Oscar Win For 'Dallas Buyers Club' Criticized By Transgender Community
Quote: Jared Leto scored his first Oscar on Sunday night, taking home Best Supporting Actor for his role in "Dallas Buyers Club" as Rayon, an HIV-positive transgender woman living in Texas in the 1980s. Many in the transgender community are questioning why a straight, white male actor had the role in the first place, while others are taking issue with the fact that he did not thank the transgender community in his acceptance speech.
Jos Truitt of the blog Feministing wrote: "I have no interest in watching a cis man in drag play a trans woman ever again. No matter what Dallas Buyers Club does as a film, the narrative around this movie, the fact that a man in drag is playing a trans woman, perpetuates the stereotype that we are men in drag."
Putting such stereotypes in context, Time's Steve Friess compared Leto's portrayal of a transgender woman to the offensive "mammy" role popular in early 20th century cinema.
Although Rayon might not have been a real person, there were -- and still are -- many just like her.
“Leto’s portrayal was of a particular fictional transgender person at a particular time," Mara Keisling, executive director at the National Center for Transgender Equality, told The Huffington Post in an emailed statement Monday. "But we can’t forget that transgender people like Rayon did exist and do exist. To the film's credit, I think it accurately showed what the life of this brave person must have been and how she was treated. Our job is to make life better for transgender people like Rayon in the real world, and it really helps to have these lives told by Hollywood.”
However, Keisling did give Leto credit for at least alluding to the trans community.
“My interpretation of his acceptance speech is that he was talking about trans people when he called out to people who are disrespected for who they are.”
The "My So-Called Life" star has taken heat for the role before.
During a Q&A at the Santa Barbara Film Festival in February, Leto was heckled and accused of "trans-misogyny" for portraying the transgender Rayon, the Guardian noted. While the heckler took issue with the fact that a trans actor was not cast for the role, the 42-year-old actor said that ideology would then prevent members of the gay community from portraying straight characters.
It really upsets me that a film whose main plot is telling the story behind HIV/AIDS during the 80's is now being scrutinized by the "T" in LGBT as being "transphobic" or "tranmisogynous."
I've said this a few times before, but there comes a point where being too politically correct can be detrimental for a movement/cause, and this is a good example imo.
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