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 Cerberus.Pleebo
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-01-27 22:45:52
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... which prevents a pregnancy. It can't terminate an existing one.
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By Jetackuu 2014-01-27 22:46:40
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What you said can only be taken one way, it was upon you to say it right in the first place.

My statement stands.

It's still not your place to decide what a woman does with her body, it's between her and her doctor.

So you support abortion at any time during a pregnancy even up til moments before child birth? Yeah, that's sick man.

You intentionally misunderstand what I said. It is clear to anyone that hadn't decided to be confused or preconceived my position.

So what are you saying exactly? That I was prolife and then suddenly changed my mind after Kara invoked her uterus? You're smarter than that. Don't act dumb.

I support what a woman discusses with her doctor.

I'm saying that you're prolife and trying to save face by claiming ambiguity in what you said, when there is none, unless you were to use punctuation in there, that's the only way to change the meaning.

I clarified what I meant when I saw the confusion. Stop being obtuse. Or would you like to go in circles a few more pages? Derp.
Like I said: I stand by my statement, called you out on it, just admit it.

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I don't know why people oppose birth control. I understand how those prolife at conception oppose "birth control" that terminates a pregnancy like Plan B, but people that oppose birth control designed to prevent pregnancy make no sense to me. They are few and far between though.
So very very wrong.

http://www.health.com/health/gallery/0,,20307293_6,00.html

You're thinking RU-486.
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WebMD

So very wrong themoreyouknow yadayadayada.

"It is also possible that this type of emergency birth control prevents implantation of a fertilized egg in the uterus by altering its lining." since you wont read.

You so crazy, there's nothing in that statement that disproves what he said...
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-01-27 22:54:36
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Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
*snip*

Wait, so you're arguing a viewpoint (that you claim to not share) as if it invalues the actual medical definitions of Abortion and Contraception?

"I don't believe this, but some people do, and that means that doctors don't know what they're talking about"

Seriously, pick a talking point and stick with it, you're tapdancing around trying to appear informed or legitimate.
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By Jetackuu 2014-01-27 22:55:18
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There he goes changing what he means to get around the fact that he was wrong again...

His attempts at saving face tonight are horrible.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-01-27 22:56:25
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I tend to stay away from abortion arguments, but since I'm bored I guess I'll give my two cents. If you're pro-life, you hate women. If you're pro-choice, you promote murder. Is there really any winning with this topic? You can argue all day about when exactly human life begins (e.g. conception, 6 weeks, 18 years, etc.) or try to justify abortion because the minority of women either have medical reasons for it or were victims of rape/incest. Either way, it all comes down to what you value more: human life or freedom of choice. Am I wrong? But even though both sides are driven by good intentions, there's one thing you'll never hear: "I respect your opinion."
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By Jetackuu 2014-01-27 22:56:38
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The people that view conception as being pregnant aren't grounded in reality and their opinions should be mocked and or just ignored.
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By Jetackuu 2014-01-27 22:57:41
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I tend to stay away from abortion arguments, but since I'm bored I guess I'll give my two cents. If you're pro-life, you hate women. If you're pro-choice, you promote murder. Is there really any winning with this topic? You can argue all day about when exactly human life begins (e.g. conception, 6 weeks, 18 years, etc.) or try to justify abortion because the minority of women either have medical reasons for it or were victims of rape/incest. Either way, it all comes down to what you value more: human life or freedom of choice. Am I wrong? But even though both sides are driven by good intentions, there's one thing you'll never hear: "I respect your opinion."

One side is driven by logic and facts, the other is driven by feelings. The two are not equal, and the one deserves no respect.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-01-27 23:02:24
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I tend to stay away from abortion arguments, but since I'm bored I guess I'll give my two cents. If you're pro-life, you hate women. If you're pro-choice, you promote murder. Is there really any winning with this topic? You can argue all day about when exactly human life begins (e.g. conception, 6 weeks, 18 years, etc.) or try to justify abortion because the minority of women either have medical reasons for it or were victims of rape/incest. Either way, it all comes down to what you value more: human life or freedom of choice. Am I wrong? But even though both sides are driven by good intentions, there's one thing you'll never hear: "I respect your opinion."

I think on a different level it's really a matter of compassion. Give people access to information and affordable contraception, the issue of "gratuitous abortions" drops off significantly off the radar. Then you can tackle the issue from a medical standpoint, and MOST people support abortion in the event of rape, abnormalities, or medical issues for the mother.

The people that strongly oppose abortion generally view it as fleeing consequences and envision a doctor pulling a fully formed baby from the mother and stabbing it with a letter opener, which is a level of absurd that I can't even wrap my head around.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-01-27 23:02:48
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I tend to stay away from abortion arguments, but since I'm bored I guess I'll give my two cents. If you're pro-life, you hate women. If you're pro-choice, you promote murder. Is there really any winning with this topic? You can argue all day about when exactly human life begins (e.g. conception, 6 weeks, 18 years, etc.) or try to justify abortion because the minority of women either have medical reasons for it or were victims of rape/incest. Either way, it all comes down to what you value more: human life or freedom of choice. Am I wrong? But even though both sides are driven by good intentions, there's one thing you'll never hear: "I respect your opinion."

The pro-choice side is effectively "I respect your opinion."

If you feel abortion is wrong then take every child to term regardless of situation or birth defects. If your God wants to test you with a Downs kid, by all means accept the challenge. If you want to rawdoggit and shoot kids out like a machine gun then go for it.

Just don't tell me or any woman how to undertake our lives. If I want to insititute an Armenian genocide into the toilet thrice a week then I can do that. If I want to shoot my seed at a canvas then so be it. If I want to spread it on toast....
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-01-27 23:04:00
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I tend to stay away from abortion arguments, but since I'm bored I guess I'll give my two cents. If you're pro-life, you hate women. If you're pro-choice, you promote murder. Is there really any winning with this topic? You can argue all day about when exactly human life begins (e.g. conception, 6 weeks, 18 years, etc.) or try to justify abortion because the minority of women either have medical reasons for it or were victims of rape/incest. Either way, it all comes down to what you value more: human life or freedom of choice. Am I wrong? But even though both sides are driven by good intentions, there's one thing you'll never hear: "I respect your opinion."
One side is driven by logic and facts, the other is driven by feelings. The two are not equal, and the one deserves no respect.

You proved my point. I have zero respect for you, your "logic and facts", and any other morons who believe that their opinions are based 100% upon logic instead of, you know, opinion.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-01-27 23:04:09
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If a woman is being gratuitous with abortions, it's a good thing she's not going to be put in charge of a fully formed human being dependent on her guidance for you know... eighteen years or so.

If she can't get males to wrap it up or utilize birth control then yup, good thing. Keep having those abortions. Please.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2014-01-27 23:04:58
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It's been a long time since I played this for you all, but it seems to be an appropriate time. As this thread has proven again, there are people here that will argue with anything I say, even if it is stating a Historical fact or sharing an opinion of mine that they agree with. I feel loved getting the undivided attention of all of you. Just lil ole me.

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0:52 picture that when you read my words.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2014-01-27 23:06:59
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Odin.Jassik said: »
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I tend to stay away from abortion arguments, but since I'm bored I guess I'll give my two cents. If you're pro-life, you hate women. If you're pro-choice, you promote murder. Is there really any winning with this topic? You can argue all day about when exactly human life begins (e.g. conception, 6 weeks, 18 years, etc.) or try to justify abortion because the minority of women either have medical reasons for it or were victims of rape/incest. Either way, it all comes down to what you value more: human life or freedom of choice. Am I wrong? But even though both sides are driven by good intentions, there's one thing you'll never hear: "I respect your opinion."

I think on a different level it's really a matter of compassion. Give people access to information and affordable contraception, the issue of "gratuitous abortions" drops off significantly off the radar. Then you can tackle the issue from a medical standpoint, and MOST people support abortion in the event of rape, abnormalities, or medical issues for the mother.

The people that strongly oppose abortion generally view it as fleeing consequences and envision a doctor pulling a fully formed baby from the mother and stabbing it with a letter opener, which is a level of absurd that I can't even wrap my head around.


Yeah that would never happen.
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By Shiva.Viciousss 2014-01-27 23:10:56
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Wow 8 pages? And we are on abortion? How did that even happen, is it because the republicans are passing an anti-abortion bill tomorrow that is going nowhere? Or is it because Aman derailed another thread with his fox news blogs? I see he is playing the victim again, as if anyone actually clicks play on the videos.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-01-27 23:15:00
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In the air of venture capitalist Thomas Perkins, this thread is worse than Hitler.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-01-27 23:15:07
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Well, actually it was Pleebo that brought up abortion first.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-01-27 23:18:02
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Bahamut.Ravael said: »
Well, actually it was Pleebo that brought up abortion first.
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For the record, the intention of my other post wasn't to derail us into the individual topics. It was to point out the self-created problems of the groups in question. END RECORD
I just run with it 'cause dey ain't no re-railing da Derail Train. WOO WOOOOOO
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By Jetackuu 2014-01-27 23:20:55
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I tend to stay away from abortion arguments, but since I'm bored I guess I'll give my two cents. If you're pro-life, you hate women. If you're pro-choice, you promote murder. Is there really any winning with this topic? You can argue all day about when exactly human life begins (e.g. conception, 6 weeks, 18 years, etc.) or try to justify abortion because the minority of women either have medical reasons for it or were victims of rape/incest. Either way, it all comes down to what you value more: human life or freedom of choice. Am I wrong? But even though both sides are driven by good intentions, there's one thing you'll never hear: "I respect your opinion."
One side is driven by logic and facts, the other is driven by feelings. The two are not equal, and the one deserves no respect.

You proved my point. I have zero respect for you, your "logic and facts", and any other morons who believe that their opinions are based 100% upon logic instead of, you know, opinion.

It isn't opinion, there's only one logical conclusion for the argument based upon the information we currently have, and that's to allow "pro-choice."

Any argument against it is an emotional one and illogical, or religious in nature, and that's always illogical.

You can hate on me all you want, but it only shows your unwillingness to understand logic.

Logical arguments do not equate to emotional arguments in validity, and deserve no respect as they are a detriment to society as a whole.

BUt go ahead, keep calling people morons just because you don't believe it's possible for somebody to come to a logical conclusion on an issue.
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By Bahamut.Ravael 2014-01-27 23:23:52
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You can come to a "logical" conclusion to both sides of the issue, but you're too dense to see that.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-01-27 23:24:23
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Phoenix.Amandarius said: »

Didn't defend anything. Just say, Spart was being sarcastic and didn't really want to know how people can oppose birth control so I can say "Oh silly me for answering politely."

The loudest voices in the pro-life movement are using religion, not reason to make their argument. It's why we had Sarah Palin trumpeting abstinence before her daughter dun goofed and Rick Santorum trying to align amniocentesis with being a reason people get abortions. Lucky for those two, they have plenty of money to take care of special needs kids. More power to them.

Someone living hand to mouth might not though.

Education and access to birth control tends to get rid of the unplanned pregnancy issues that come with people banging each other in the adult world. Instead some want us to be draped in ignorance rather than solving the problem. The thought of talking about sex and describing what a vagina is so vile we must pretend such things don't exist.

And harp more religion every step of the way. That's wonderful. People who actually want to inform people to make better choices will be teaching sex ed courses and attacking the taboos that lead people to believe pulling out works and that babies are created with faerie magic.
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