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Rich SOB Says Treatment Of Rich Like the Holocast
By Enuyasha 2014-01-26 21:22:33
Her family was the quote unquote "Wealthy Jews" that kept all the Bavarians down and were wiped out by the Third Reich. So on a certain level Perkin's analogy is infuritating to people of a certain descent. So, to honor the deaths of her family members, she will continue doing the demonizing that was done on her family in the first place?
Think they really want that? Look back to my OP. See any demonization?
Anger, yes. it also isnt demonization...if you know... they killed your entire family and your entire race/religious identity... So wait, you are saying that the wealthy 1% of America today killed Chanti's family over 50 years ago?
Yeah, that is what you said. no.But keep trying to not read and keep in context of a conversation.
I CLAIM THIS PAGE FOR THE HIPSTERSSSSS!
Also: i actually came back to this thread, read what i typed, and intended to fix it so it read "most" or "part of"...then you responded and quoted it.
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By Leviathan.Andret 2014-01-26 21:35:16
If I become rich then I will do everything to get richer and more powerful and make sure the rest of the peasants remain and poor little peasants. If the rich were mistreated then I'm pretty sure there would be no such thing as 'revolution' and taxes would be lump sum or per-head instead of percentage.
Life is unfair. There are people who work hard and get rich. There people who work little and still get rich. Then there are a lot of people who work very hard and still in debt.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2014-01-27 02:30:01
Liberals only have very few people who were not only wealthy, but also fraudulent.
See, if a wealthy guy steals from everyone, it makes it in the news. If it is true that the wealthy always steal from the working poor, then they would have nonstop coverage of various wealthy people.
Instead, those like Madoff and Stewart are rare. You would only hear about 2-3 of these people every decade.
But the so-called working "poor?" Thousands commit crime on a daily basis.
Going by those statistics...well, I think you can figure that out.
***. You may only hear about 2-3 people per decade, that just means you have bad hearing not that there are no crimes being committed.
Ever spoken and worked with people in the finance industry? Bankers, hedge fund managers/M&A/ptivate equity people, traders, etc are not notoriously honest and are not unwilling to cut corners to make those quarterly profits.
Survey from this summer on illegal activity in the markets by financial professionals (+/- 5%)
http://www.labaton.com/en/about/press/Wall-Street-Professional-Survey-Reveals-Widespread-Misconduct.cfm
Quote: According to the independent survey, 52% of the respondents believed that their competitors engaged in illegal or unethical behavior while 24% felt employees in their own company had engaged in similar misconduct. An astonishing 23% reported that they had observed or had first-hand knowledge of wrongdoing in the workplace and 29% believed that financial services professionals may need to engage in illegal or unethical behavior to be successful. An alarming 28% felt the industry does not put the interests of clients first and 24% admitted they would engage in insider trading if they could get away with it. Surprisingly, in response to each of these questions, younger professionals on Wall Street were significantly more likely to be aware, accept and engage in illegal or unethical conduct than their more senior colleagues.
Just a few financial scandals from the last couple of years (Goldman Sachs article is more comprehensive).
Goldman Sachs (therefore the people working for them) is an excellent example of a company that has been doing illegal business transactions for decades and only gets fines, if that.
LIBOR scandal
Barclays, from last January
Commodity speculation, food
Commodity speculation, aluminium
ISDAfix scandal
Foreclosure abuse
AG Eric Holder had to say about prosecuting large financial institutions
Quote: “I am concerned that the size of some of these institutions becomes so large that it does become difficult for us to prosecute them,” Mr. Holder told lawmakers. Prosecutors, he said, must confront the problem that “if you do prosecute, if you do bring a criminal charge, it will have a negative impact on the national economy, perhaps even the world economy. And I think that is a function of the fact that some of these institutions have become too large.” Quote: Though the U.S. Supreme Court blessed the concept of corporate criminal liability over 100 years ago – in New York Central Railroad Company v. United States – until roughly 20 years ago, we had only the blunt instrument of criminal indictment with which to attack corporate crime. Prosecutors faced a stark choice when they encountered a corporation that had engaged in misconduct – either indict, or walk away. In the 1990s, however, the government began doing something new: agreeing to defer prosecution against the corporation in exchange for an admission of wrongdoing, cooperation with the government’s investigation, including against individual employees, payment of monetary penalties, and concrete steps to improve the company’s behavior. And, over the last decade, DPAs have become a mainstay of white collar criminal law enforcement.
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To be clear, the decision of whether to indict a corporation, defer prosecution, or decline altogether is not one that I, or anyone in the Criminal Division, take lightly. We are frequently on the receiving end of presentations from defense counsel, CEOs, and economists who argue that the collateral consequences of an indictment would be devastating for their client. In my conference room, over the years, I have heard sober predictions that a company or bank might fail if we indict, that innocent employees could lose their jobs, that entire industries may be affected, and even that global markets will feel the effects. Sometimes – though, let me stress, not always – these presentations are compelling.
Wealthy people aren't any more or less likely to commit crimes than poor people. Their motivations might be slightly different, however.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-01-27 06:30:51
So tell me then Kara.
What crimes were committed?
Oh, you attempted in your long diatribe post of yours, but lets look at things individually.
Your labaton.com survey is just that, a survey. It did state that people think that their competitors or employees have committed crime, but zero (that is to say, 0, or nada, or nil, or...you get the picture) have proof. Is that the same as committing crime? You seem intelligent, you figure that you.
Goldman Sachs article: Incredibly biased article that doesn't seem to nail any illegal activity at the time. Nobody in that article did anything illegal, but they were portrayed as such for their aggressive strategies that made the company billions. Oh noes, they made money, we must demonize them for doing so!!! Nothing more to expect from a liberal source.
LIBOR: Had to go outside of America for this one, huh? A lot of that article is speculation, but without proof (again). Just another example that you don't understand the complexities of business and different markets.
Barclays: Another article that speculates. He said this, she said that, they must have said this.
Everything else: Just another set of examples on biased thought and "study." How come none of these "stories" brought anything more than bad publicity? Have you ever thought for a second that the reason why nobody, and I mean nobody in these "stories" did anything illegal and/or when brought into court, was found that the prosecution was doing nothing more than a witch hunt and the courts didn't buy into it?
How would you like it if we start rounding up liberals and convicting them of making ***up? You know, inciting a riot in hopes to take power from the current government and make their own twisted form of government. You know why people don't demand that or even attempt it? It is because we learn from our mistakes from previous atrocities against humanity. Maybe you should do the same...
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By Lakshmi.Saevel 2014-01-27 07:43:26
Quote: You created your own hate. You are jealous of his own success and are showing it by furthering your own hatred of his success.
This is what you'll find everywhere, when people are jealous they will often rationalize away all responsibly for their own thoughts and actions.
Anyhow, I actually read what he wrote before judging him, apparently it's a radical concept. He didn't actually complain or indicate any discomfort, only discussed what he was observing. I also have been observing the same thing, as all the progressives just proved. You guys all hated him instantly, all you had to read was "wealthy" and instantly you generated hate and attached a bunch of negativity to his person without ever knowing anything about him or what he wrote. Essentially your all prejudiced him based on nothing more then the fact that he had more then you. "Classism" or whatever you want to call it, doesn't matter as the mechanics are the same as racism, nationalism, sexism (real sexism) and any other form of prejudice. He was pointing out that the liberals seem to be fanning those flames of hatred with turbo fans with little head to the consequences.
For those of you hoping for such a revolution, as though it will somehow benefit everyone, you might to go have a look throughout history. The "winners" of these revolutions aren't the poor but the people immediately underneath the ultra rich. So the slightly less ultra rich will be the ones leading the armies of the working poor, and they will then be the ones to write new laws that set themselves as the new ultra rich. The working poor, well they are always needed in the fields, and to each his own as his need right?
Have fear if you ever read anything that resembles this.
Quote: From each according to his ability, to each according to his need
I find it hilarious that unsuccessful people demonize and insult the those who are possessed of means. Wealthy were not "lucky", as lotto winners throughout history have shown us, suddenly rich people tend now to be rich for very long. Maintaining and managing wealth is a skill in and of itself and if not done properly all that created wealth goes bye bye. That's why generational wealth isn't a big deal, if the children aren't taught how to manage the family money, then it'll vanish within a generation or two as they squander it away. The liberal mass's want to take wealth away, but don't themselves know how to manage it and would soon find themselves bereft of any loot they acquired.
Also money is not power, there are many monied people who are also powerless. Power creates money, not the other way around. A person who has the skillsets required to be powerful will create wealth as a tool for them to use to acquire more power. It was never a beginning nor an end goal, merely a tool to be used as necessary. I don't expect any of the liberals to fully grasp these concepts as that would require taking personal responsibility for your life and the willpower to do something about it.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2014-01-27 08:42:23
So tell me then Kara.
What crimes were committed?
Oh, you attempted in your long diatribe post of yours, but lets look at things individually.
Your labaton.com survey is just that, a survey. It did state that people think that their competitors or employees have committed crime, but zero (that is to say, 0, or nada, or nil, or...you get the picture) have proof. Is that the same as committing crime? You seem intelligent, you figure that you. You love political polls showing politician popularity but not surveys conducted by law firms doing research?
Quote: Goldman Sachs article: Incredibly biased article that doesn't seem to nail any illegal activity at the time. Nobody in that article did anything illegal, but they were portrayed as such for their aggressive strategies that made the company billions. Oh noes, they made money, we must demonize them for doing so!!! Nothing more to expect from a liberal source. That article has been sourced and verified. Goldman Sachs has been fined over the years for illegal practices, they have been told to modify their ways.
Deferred prosecution agreements and non-prosecution agreements have been used extensively since 2002 by the DoJ when handling corporate crimes. This means fines occur but criminal proceedings do not for illegal activites. This is used for a variety of reasons.
Quote: LIBOR: Had to go outside of America for this one, huh? A lot of that article is speculation, but without proof (again). Just another example that you don't understand the complexities of business and different markets. LIBOR is a rate used throughout the world by financial institutions.
This scandal was not just limited to the UK/EU and neither are the fines. The wall street journal was the first to start discussing this scandal, but I understand your concerns with them being such a liberal news source. I linked a bloomberg article (didn't realize you considered them liberals, but ok) because they are free to view articles but search WSJ if you think they were biased.
I'm sure with your incredible grasp of financial markets means you knew this (how LiBOR works and how US institutions have been involved), but chose to disregard these facts because they didn't fit your narrative.
Quote: Barclays: Another article that speculates. He said this, she said that, they must have said this. You are grasping. Fines and firing occurred, but this must be made up. Because....well KN says so.
Quote: Everything else: Just another set of examples on biased thought and "study." How come none of these "stories" brought anything more than bad publicity? Have you ever thought for a second that the reason why nobody, and I mean nobody in these "stories" did anything illegal and/or when brought into court, was found that the prosecution was doing nothing more than a witch hunt and the courts didn't buy into it?
Because that is not how many financial crimes are settled. Many illegal activities in white collar crime are settled with monetary payments and not jail time. See DPA's and NPA's as mentioned above.
The financial institutions agreed to pay billions of dollars because they wanted to, right?
Quote: How would you like it if we start rounding up liberals and convicting them of making ***up? You know, inciting a riot in hopes to take power from the current government and make their own twisted form of government. You know why people don't demand that or even attempt it? It is because we learn from our mistakes from previous atrocities against humanity. Maybe you should do the same...
What the hell are you talking about here? I have absolutly no idea where this came from.
I haven't suggested rounding anyone up or even commented on OP's article. I commented on your assertion that poor people commit more crimes, statistically speaking. You could say poor people are put in jail more, but we have a distinction between criminal behavior in the US.
On a side note:
Most people don't understand finance and the financial products that are sold. They involve complicated algorithms, modifying physics theories, an understaning of financial law throughout the world, programming, data analysis, etc.
You are included in this. You have stated many inaccurate facts about a variety of economic theories, the financial crises, and the latest about LIBOR. You are not stupid but you are getting seriously annoying.
I follow financial articles/studies on a daily basis because this is the field I work and study in. This takes me more than a brief read through articles to understand the complexity involved. Just like accountants must constantly review and read articles pertaining to their field/clients.
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By fonewear 2014-01-27 09:00:07
Liberals only have very few people who were not only wealthy, but also fraudulent.
See, if a wealthy guy steals from everyone, it makes it in the news. If it is true that the wealthy always steal from the working poor, then they would have nonstop coverage of various wealthy people.
Instead, those like Madoff and Stewart are rare. You would only hear about 2-3 of these people every decade.
But the so-called working "poor?" Thousands commit crime on a daily basis.
Going by those statistics...well, I think you can figure that out.
***. You may only hear about 2-3 people per decade, that just means you have bad hearing not that there are no crimes being committed.
Ever spoken and worked with people in the finance industry? Bankers, hedge fund managers/M&A/ptivate equity people, traders, etc are not notoriously honest and are not unwilling to cut corners to make those quarterly profits.
Survey from this summer on illegal activity in the markets by financial professionals (+/- 5%)
http://www.labaton.com/en/about/press/Wall-Street-Professional-Survey-Reveals-Widespread-Misconduct.cfm
Quote: According to the independent survey, 52% of the respondents believed that their competitors engaged in illegal or unethical behavior while 24% felt employees in their own company had engaged in similar misconduct. An astonishing 23% reported that they had observed or had first-hand knowledge of wrongdoing in the workplace and 29% believed that financial services professionals may need to engage in illegal or unethical behavior to be successful. An alarming 28% felt the industry does not put the interests of clients first and 24% admitted they would engage in insider trading if they could get away with it. Surprisingly, in response to each of these questions, younger professionals on Wall Street were significantly more likely to be aware, accept and engage in illegal or unethical conduct than their more senior colleagues.
Just a few financial scandals from the last couple of years (Goldman Sachs article is more comprehensive).
Goldman Sachs (therefore the people working for them) is an excellent example of a company that has been doing illegal business transactions for decades and only gets fines, if that.
LIBOR scandal
Barclays, from last January
Commodity speculation, food
Commodity speculation, aluminium
ISDAfix scandal
Foreclosure abuse
AG Eric Holder had to say about prosecuting large financial institutions
Quote: “I am concerned that the size of some of these institutions becomes so large that it does become difficult for us to prosecute them,” Mr. Holder told lawmakers. Prosecutors, he said, must confront the problem that “if you do prosecute, if you do bring a criminal charge, it will have a negative impact on the national economy, perhaps even the world economy. And I think that is a function of the fact that some of these institutions have become too large.” Quote: Though the U.S. Supreme Court blessed the concept of corporate criminal liability over 100 years ago – in New York Central Railroad Company v. United States – until roughly 20 years ago, we had only the blunt instrument of criminal indictment with which to attack corporate crime. Prosecutors faced a stark choice when they encountered a corporation that had engaged in misconduct – either indict, or walk away. In the 1990s, however, the government began doing something new: agreeing to defer prosecution against the corporation in exchange for an admission of wrongdoing, cooperation with the government’s investigation, including against individual employees, payment of monetary penalties, and concrete steps to improve the company’s behavior. And, over the last decade, DPAs have become a mainstay of white collar criminal law enforcement.
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To be clear, the decision of whether to indict a corporation, defer prosecution, or decline altogether is not one that I, or anyone in the Criminal Division, take lightly. We are frequently on the receiving end of presentations from defense counsel, CEOs, and economists who argue that the collateral consequences of an indictment would be devastating for their client. In my conference room, over the years, I have heard sober predictions that a company or bank might fail if we indict, that innocent employees could lose their jobs, that entire industries may be affected, and even that global markets will feel the effects. Sometimes – though, let me stress, not always – these presentations are compelling.
Wealthy people aren't any more or less likely to commit crimes than poor people. Their motivations might be slightly different, however.
According to this poll. Polls are pointless.
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By Bahamut.Kara 2014-01-27 09:03:09
You needed to quote the full post in order to respond to one part of my post?
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-01-27 09:06:06
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »I'm glad you took two minutes to wiki the Bolsheviks and then proceeded to act like you know history, but they killed a lot more than the Romanovs. The revolution wiped out anyone wealthy and seized all of their property. The ones that lived fled.
Their revolution wiped out their enemies, that had nothing to do with public opinion and even less to do with their wealth. I have immediate family living in Russia, and can trace my and my wife's lineage to Rus. I know a little about it... The aristocracy of that period were nothing like the American wealthy, you clearly have no understanding of Russian history but care to preach as though you were the informed party. The Romanov era aristocracy practiced serfdom in the vein of medieval lords. America's wealthy are simply the people with the money, and still have nothing in common with the Jews of Europe.
You may be an expert on something, but this ain't it.
Obviously he's not if he can't come to the conclusion that the downfall of the Russian monarchy and Russian aristocracy's relationship with the moderate and progressive/liberal, then later, radical-liberal parties leading up to the Bulshevik Revolution could be a succinct comparison to our situation as it is now, or has the potential to be.
He keeps harping on the "poor" only having a hand in the savagery, and not even the slightest whisper of the newly developed bourgeois and the moderate, mostly military, classes that started making a little headway in politics after poking and prodding Nicky, to the point of exasperation, into incremental, baby-step reforms until everything went topsy-turvy.
Ugh...
You can't give people hope then immediately turn around and pull the rug out from under them.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-01-27 10:30:44
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »He opened his argument with a comparison to Nazi Germany. He called on the parallels of propaganda between Nazi Germany against the Jewish community, and Progressive America against the wealthy community.
Quote: Writing from the epicenter of progressive thought, San Francisco, I would call attention to the parallels of fascist Nazi Germany to its war on its "one percent," namely its Jews, to the progressive war on the American one percent, namely the "rich."
This was the comparison between the two.... Which states "war on its "one percent"" nothing about propaganda.
Germany's war on its "one percent" involved industrial scale mass murder, a crime so horrendous a word was invented for it. Somehow I do not find this at all similar to San Francisco asking the silicon valley tech giants to donate to the transportation system instead of running private buses.
You needed to quote the full post in order to respond to one part of my post? Some people just can't edit. Some don't bother.
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-01-27 11:20:59
Germany's war on its "one percent" involved industrial scale mass murder, a crime so horrendous a word was invented for it. Somehow I do not find this at all similar to San Francisco asking the silicon valley tech giants to donate to the transportation system instead of running private buses.
as a society, we seem to be doing this with a lot of things now-a-days. It pisses me off. idk if I've went on this rant on this site, but comparing everything to the holocaust takes away from the horrors that were perpetrated.
It's the same thing we do with racism. take whatever actor played Kramer as an example. he thought he was being funny, & let out a nasty racial slur. now he's a racist. is there any hate in his heart? does he indoctrinate the next generation with hate in his spare time? does he DO anything racist? it takes away from the horror that was lynch mobs, ect.
I could go on & on about how we devalue words / things to the point of absurdity. that's exactly how we will forget our history, & proceed to repeat it. we should be learning from these mistakes...
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-01-27 11:41:57
Germany's war on its "one percent" involved industrial scale mass murder, a crime so horrendous a word was invented for it. I would apologize for going slightly off-topic, but I actually don't care. What word is it that was invented?
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-01-27 11:43:35
I'm sorry, but after reading the way some are trivializing Jassik's wife's and Chanti's families' experiences (that's a lot of possessives), I always get a little unnerved.
If you're God knows how many generations "off the boat" do you really have any inkling about the butterfly effect thoughts that run through a recent immigrant's or first-generation American's head when you trivialize their lineage and family history? You aren't privy to first-hand accounts, photos, or letters!
Your family was sitting so cozily across a damn ocean.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-01-27 11:46:14
Germany's war on its "one percent" involved industrial scale mass murder, a crime so horrendous a word was invented for it. I would apologize for going slightly off-topic, but I actually don't care. What word is it that was invented?
Holocaust
I don't think genocide was nearly as used before that either.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2014-01-27 11:47:52
Germany's war on its "one percent" involved industrial scale mass murder, a crime so horrendous a word was invented for it. Somehow I do not find this at all similar to San Francisco asking the silicon valley tech giants to donate to the transportation system instead of running private buses.
as a society, we seem to be doing this with a lot of things now-a-days. It pisses me off. idk if I've went on this rant on this site, but comparing everything to the holocaust takes away from the horrors that were perpetrated.
It's the same thing we do with racism. take whatever actor played Kramer as an example. he thought he was being funny, & let out a nasty racial slur. now he's a racist. is there any hate in his heart? does he indoctrinate the next generation with hate in his spare time? does he DO anything racist? it takes away from the horror that was lynch mobs, ect.
I could go on & on about how we devalue words / things to the point of absurdity. that's exactly how we will forget our history, & proceed to repeat it. we should be learning from these mistakes...
This is precisely why when you see a minority of people being demonized you should stand against the hate because when it becomes acceptable to demonize them; they become devalued, less than human. Horrible atrocities always follow.
We are repeating history.
Everyday the Democrats sound more and more like horrible Marxists. Just last week he governor of New York states Conservatives aren't welcome in New York; labeling Conservatives horribly. The mayor of New York ran his entire campaign on hate speech towards those with wealth. They are intolerant of anyone that disagrees with them. Their language promotes hate and inspires the worst in people. It feeds off of the insecurities, the hate, the jealousy in all of us. It's bad news. This road always ends the same.
This goes all the way to the top, Obama. Have you ever in your life heard a President so divisive. Can you show me once, Clinton, either Bush, just cutting down political opposition so harshly and negatively as President Obama? This constant demonization coming right from the top has Americans at each others throats all day every day. The left walks around all day in a constant state of pissed off and wouldn't bat an eye if they heard of some unspeakable violence happening to someone they disagree with.
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By Shiva.Onorgul 2014-01-27 11:52:16
Germany's war on its "one percent" involved industrial scale mass murder, a crime so horrendous a word was invented for it. I would apologize for going slightly off-topic, but I actually don't care. What word is it that was invented?
Holocaust
I don't think genocide was nearly as used before that either. I hadn't thought of genocide. As it happens, that is the word that was invented in the 1940s.
Holocaust is centuries old and appears in the English translation of the Bible.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2014-01-27 11:54:43
I'm sorry, but after reading the way some are trivializing Jassik's wife's and Chanti's families' experiences (that's a lot of possessives), I always get a little unnerved.
If you're God knows how many generations "off the boat" do you really have any inkling about the butterfly effect thoughts that run through a recent immigrant's or first-generation American's head when you trivialize their lineage and family history? You aren't privy to first-hand accounts, photos, or letters!
If Jassik's wife was 115 or so years old then I would value maybe her recount of the Bolshvik Revolution but as it is, Jassik using his wife's being Russian as an excuse to be completely wrong about history is just sad really.
And no one made any light of Chanti, nice try though. Not only was this whole thread based on misrepresenting what someone said, now you continue to twist the words about those participating in this discussion.
I don't even understand why they are choosing to misrepresent basic, undeniable facts about the Revolution in Russia. It was not just a few nobles. It was everyone that had any wealth, it was taken from them. They were violently killed. They fled their country. You don't have to be an expert in a historical era to know very basic facts.
I can't even imagine how they teach their history from the Kremlin in Russian schools.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-01-27 11:55:50
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Germany's war on its "one percent" involved industrial scale mass murder, a crime so horrendous a word was invented for it. Somehow I do not find this at all similar to San Francisco asking the silicon valley tech giants to donate to the transportation system instead of running private buses.
as a society, we seem to be doing this with a lot of things now-a-days. It pisses me off. idk if I've went on this rant on this site, but comparing everything to the holocaust takes away from the horrors that were perpetrated.
It's the same thing we do with racism. take whatever actor played Kramer as an example. he thought he was being funny, & let out a nasty racial slur. now he's a racist. is there any hate in his heart? does he indoctrinate the next generation with hate in his spare time? does he DO anything racist? it takes away from the horror that was lynch mobs, ect.
I could go on & on about how we devalue words / things to the point of absurdity. that's exactly how we will forget our history, & proceed to repeat it. we should be learning from these mistakes...
This is precisely why when you see a minority of people being demonized you should stand against the hate because when it becomes acceptable to demonize them; they become devalued, less than human. Horrible atrocities always follow.
We are repeating history.
Everyday the Democrats sound more and more like horrible Marxists. Just last week he governor of New York states Conservatives aren't welcome in New York; labeling Conservatives horribly. The mayor of New York ran his entire campaign on hate speech towards those with wealth. They are intolerant of anyone that disagrees with them. Their language promotes hate and inspires the worst in people. It feeds off of the insecurities, the hate, the jealousy in all of us. It's bad news. This road always ends the same.
This goes all the way to the top, Obama. Have you ever in your life heard a President so divisive. Can you show me once, Clinton, either Bush, just cutting down political opposition so harshly and negatively as President Obama? This constant demonization coming right from the top has Americans at each others throats all day every day. The left walks around all day in a constant state of pissed off and wouldn't bat an eye if they heard of some unspeakable violence happening to someone they disagree with.
ROFL, did you just compare calling out rich asshats on the ridiculous things they say to lynch mobs and genocide? Seriously, you are killing me, dude.
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
If Jassik's wife was 115 or so years old then I would value maybe her recount of the Bolshvik Revolution but as it is, Jassik using his wife's being Russian as an excuse to be completely wrong about history is just sad really.
She studied it more closely than any American as part of her schooling, grew up in the communist era in USSR, her and my great grandparents lived through it. I also government and Russian history classes in college. You don't have a clue what you're talking about, you're reciting crap you hear on conservative radio.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-01-27 12:00:42
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-01-27 12:00:58
from:
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »you should stand against the hate because when it becomes acceptable to demonize them; they become devalued, less than human.
to:
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »The left walks around all day in a constant state of pissed off and wouldn't bat an eye if they heard of some unspeakable violence happening to someone they disagree with.
in a few short paragraphs. you're just as guilty, bubba.
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By Caitsith.Zahrah 2014-01-27 12:02:12
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »I'm sorry, but after reading the way some are trivializing Jassik's wife's and Chanti's families' experiences (that's a lot of possessives), I always get a little unnerved.
If you're God knows how many generations "off the boat" do you really have any inkling about the butterfly effect thoughts that run through a recent immigrant's or first-generation American's head when you trivialize their lineage and family history? You aren't privy to first-hand accounts, photos, or letters!
If Jassik's wife was 115 or so years old then I would value maybe her recount of the Bolshvik Revolution but as it is, Jassik using his wife's being Russian as an excuse to be completely wrong about history is just sad really.
And no one made any light of Chanti, nice try though. Not only was this whole thread based on misrepresenting what someone said, now you continue to twist the words about those participating in this discussion.
I don't even understand why they are choosing to misrepresent basic, undeniable facts about the Revolution in Russia. It was not just a few nobles. It was everyone that had any wealth, it was taken from them. They were violently killed. They fled their country. You don't have to be an expert in a historical era to know very basic facts.
I can't even imagine how they teach their history from the Kremlin in Russian schools.
You know generations do this thing where they tell the younger ones stuff, right?!? OMG! CRAZY! The older you get, the more that's revealed. It's not always sunshine, sweetpea!
Did I say "make light of"? You and your ilk twisted the intent of this thread. Chanti was the OP. You know people are more than able to read for themselves.
You glossed over The Duma. Congratulations?
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2014-01-27 12:03:01
from:
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »you should stand against the hate because when it becomes acceptable to demonize them; they become devalued, less than human.
to:
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »The left walks around all day in a constant state of pissed off and wouldn't bat an eye if they heard of some unspeakable violence happening to someone they disagree with.
in a few short paragraphs. you're just as guilty, bubba.
How? Those statements in no way contradict each other. Explain the contradiction that you see.
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-01-27 12:04:30
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Explain the contradiction that you see.
I'm not going to think for you. if you can't see it, that's just too bad.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2014-01-27 12:06:13
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Germany's war on its "one percent" involved industrial scale mass murder, a crime so horrendous a word was invented for it. Somehow I do not find this at all similar to San Francisco asking the silicon valley tech giants to donate to the transportation system instead of running private buses.
as a society, we seem to be doing this with a lot of things now-a-days. It pisses me off. idk if I've went on this rant on this site, but comparing everything to the holocaust takes away from the horrors that were perpetrated.
It's the same thing we do with racism. take whatever actor played Kramer as an example. he thought he was being funny, & let out a nasty racial slur. now he's a racist. is there any hate in his heart? does he indoctrinate the next generation with hate in his spare time? does he DO anything racist? it takes away from the horror that was lynch mobs, ect.
I could go on & on about how we devalue words / things to the point of absurdity. that's exactly how we will forget our history, & proceed to repeat it. we should be learning from these mistakes...
This is precisely why when you see a minority of people being demonized you should stand against the hate because when it becomes acceptable to demonize them; they become devalued, less than human. Horrible atrocities always follow.
We are repeating history.
Everyday the Democrats sound more and more like horrible Marxists. Just last week he governor of New York states Conservatives aren't welcome in New York; labeling Conservatives horribly. The mayor of New York ran his entire campaign on hate speech towards those with wealth. They are intolerant of anyone that disagrees with them. Their language promotes hate and inspires the worst in people. It feeds off of the insecurities, the hate, the jealousy in all of us. It's bad news. This road always ends the same.
This goes all the way to the top, Obama. Have you ever in your life heard a President so divisive. Can you show me once, Clinton, either Bush, just cutting down political opposition so harshly and negatively as President Obama? This constant demonization coming right from the top has Americans at each others throats all day every day. The left walks around all day in a constant state of pissed off and wouldn't bat an eye if they heard of some unspeakable violence happening to someone they disagree with.
ROFL, did you just compare calling out rich asshats on the ridiculous things they say to lynch mobs and genocide? Seriously, you are killing me, dude.
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »
If Jassik's wife was 115 or so years old then I would value maybe her recount of the Bolshvik Revolution but as it is, Jassik using his wife's being Russian as an excuse to be completely wrong about history is just sad really.
She studied it more closely than any American as part of her schooling, grew up in the communist era in USSR, her and my great grandparents lived through it. I also government and Russian history classes in college. You don't have a clue what you're talking about, you're reciting crap you hear on conservative radio.
OK Jassik cool story about your wife. Did you ask her a god damn thing about this before you posted your wrong account of the Russian Revolution? Maybe you should have. They seized all property from the wealthy. They killed them or they were forced to flee. The people took it upon themselves to divide the land and property amongst the people as they saw fit. No one denies this. It is history. It is the entire basis of the beginning of the Soviet union. NO PRIVATE PROPERTY. Stop talking out of your ***.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2014-01-27 12:07:37
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Explain the contradiction that you see.
I'm not going to think for you. if you can't see it, that's just too bad.
Well one, for me to have contradicted myself I would have to have committed hate speech. Please point out the hate speech.
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-01-27 12:09:54
would you describe your feelings towards "the left" & "liberals" as warm fuzzies, or cold prickles?
hint: labels are the first step
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2014-01-27 12:10:31
You clearly haven't listened to di Blasio give a speech ever. That's not criticism that he spews; it is outright hateful.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2014-01-27 12:11:31
would you describe your feelings towards "the left" & "liberals" as warm fuzzies, or cold prickles?
hint: labels are the first step
I see them as wrong and as people that make decisions using their emotions.
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By Siren.Mosin 2014-01-27 12:14:42
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »I see them as wrong and as people that make decisions using their emotions.
I would tend to agree with sentiments like that.
It's your broad labeling of entire groups of people that makes me a little uneasy.
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Rich Businessman Compares Treatment Of The Rich To The Holocaust
As a Jew I wonder how many of his relatives have been executed.
I know over 32 of mine were.
Tax the rich? **** no. EAT the rich.
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