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Rich SOB Says Treatment Of Rich Like the Holocast
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By Valefor.Endoq 2014-01-26 18:42:41
Stopped getting trolled like this by the media. They do this crap to distract us away from the actual stuff going on.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2014-01-26 18:51:37
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Phoenix.Amandarius said: »You don't think those that are successful and thus wealthy are demonized? It's an acceptable form of hatred. The title of this thread alone "Rich SOB".... Actually the full title "Rich Businessman Compares Treatment Of The Rich To The Holocaust" wouldn't fit as a thread tittle. SOB fit several ways.
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Well why do you give a crap about what one random blow-hard rich snob says?.... The entire German, Polish, and Russian branches of my family wiped out. That's why.
Phoenix.Amandarius said: ».... You don't even know who the hell this person is in this article and 10 minutes from now you won't even recall their name. I don't remember reading his name. Its irrelevant. His words are the relevant part.
Personally, I wouldn't even bother with this topic..... But you just did.
Well maybe if you were a few years older you can tell us some stories of the Bolshevik Revolution and what demonization of the successful leads to when you fire enough people up about it.
Being a terrible and ineffective leader born into a position is the exact opposite of being successful. How can anyone who has any understanding of Russian monarchy and the revolution compare public opinion of them to the perceived plight of the American wealthy? And I'm not even talking about the idle wealthy, those born into wealth, even the most despicable of the pop culture icons who've earned nothing don't compare to what the Romanov's did to that country.
I'm glad you took two minutes to wiki the Bolsheviks and then proceeded to act like you know history, but they killed a lot more than the Romanovs. The revolution wiped out anyone wealthy and seized all of their property. The ones that lived fled.
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By Cerberus.Pleebo 2014-01-26 18:58:43
Working Smart > Working Hard.
If you're not willing to apply yourself beyond your standard 9-5 gig, then you have no room to complain about career mobility.
Get the promotion, get an education, get a better job.
Nobody is responsible for your success other than you. Time to start acting like it. Real life is often more complicated than a motivational poster tagline.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-01-26 18:58:56
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Phoenix.Amandarius said: »You don't think those that are successful and thus wealthy are demonized? It's an acceptable form of hatred. The title of this thread alone "Rich SOB".... Actually the full title "Rich Businessman Compares Treatment Of The Rich To The Holocaust" wouldn't fit as a thread tittle. SOB fit several ways.
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Well why do you give a crap about what one random blow-hard rich snob says?.... The entire German, Polish, and Russian branches of my family wiped out. That's why.
Phoenix.Amandarius said: ».... You don't even know who the hell this person is in this article and 10 minutes from now you won't even recall their name. I don't remember reading his name. Its irrelevant. His words are the relevant part.
Personally, I wouldn't even bother with this topic..... But you just did.
Well maybe if you were a few years older you can tell us some stories of the Bolshevik Revolution and what demonization of the successful leads to when you fire enough people up about it.
Being a terrible and ineffective leader born into a position is the exact opposite of being successful. How can anyone who has any understanding of Russian monarchy and the revolution compare public opinion of them to the perceived plight of the American wealthy? And I'm not even talking about the idle wealthy, those born into wealth, even the most despicable of the pop culture icons who've earned nothing don't compare to what the Romanov's did to that country.
I'm glad you took two minutes to wiki the Bolsheviks and then proceeded to act like you know history, but they killed a lot more than the Romanovs. The revolution wiped out anyone wealthy and seized all of their property. The ones that lived fled.
Their revolution wiped out their enemies, that had nothing to do with public opinion and even less to do with their wealth. I have immediate family living in Russia, and can trace my and my wife's lineage to Rus. I know a little about it... The aristocracy of that period were nothing like the American wealthy, you clearly have no understanding of Russian history but care to preach as though you were the informed party. The Romanov era aristocracy practiced serfdom in the vein of medieval lords. America's wealthy are simply the people with the money, and still have nothing in common with the Jews of Europe.
You may be an expert on something, but this ain't it.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2014-01-26 19:30:58
So basically your argument is my wife has Russian heritage so don't even argue with me. lol OK
It wasn't even the miltary/police wiping out the wealthy. It was mobs of ordinary people doing it because it was perfectly acceptable to destroy the wealthy and take their property in the name of the people.
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By Fairy.Maimed 2014-01-26 19:36:04
Working Smart > Working Hard.
If you're not willing to apply yourself beyond your standard 9-5 gig, then you have no room to complain about career mobility.
Get the promotion, get an education, get a better job.
Nobody is responsible for your success other than you. Time to start acting like it. Real life is often more complicated than a motivational poster tagline.
It boils down to priorities. You either have the motivation to improve your situation, or you don't. If you're preoccupied dishing out excuses and complaining about how life isn't fair, then clearly you lack the will to do something about it.
Create your own destiny. Don't rely on someone else's good graces to change your life.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-01-26 19:48:41
Working Smart > Working Hard.
If you're not willing to apply yourself beyond your standard 9-5 gig, then you have no room to complain about career mobility.
Get the promotion, get an education, get a better job.
Nobody is responsible for your success other than you. Time to start acting like it. Actually today that argument is total BS.
Don't believe me? Read this.
Quote: Turns out that more education does not necessarily mean more pay.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-01-26 19:51:30
Why is his little diatribe written in regards to a piece concerned with overly strict speech codes on college campuses?
Anyway, it's not difficult to see why public perceptions of the rich are largely negative. The idealistic dream of the American meritocracy was pretty much shattered when certain institutions were deemed "too big to fail" and summarily bailed out at the expense of everyone else. No high-profile prosecutions ever took place so, in the eyes of the average citizen, the top rung screwed up royally and got away with it scot free. Widening income gaps have left the majority sitting in stagnant water while a select minority have watched their take increase exponentially.
So the author's seemingly complete obliviousness to the root of his rich people problems is why it's hard to take his concerns seriously even if you're able to look past his indefensibly ludicrous analogy. To boil the entire issue down to the teenage princess mentality of "if you don't like me, you must be jelly" is a stupid oversimplification and indicative of some serious short-term memory loss.
Pleeb, doing Allahs work as usual.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-01-26 20:02:13
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »So basically your argument is my wife has Russian heritage so don't even argue with me. lol OK
It wasn't even the miltary/police wiping out the wealthy. It was mobs of ordinary people doing it because it was perfectly acceptable to destroy the wealthy and take their property in the name of the people.
No, my wife grew up in Russia, I have Russian heritage, and I do know a lot about the revolution. You're drawing parallels that don't exist simply to bolster your incomprehensible love of wealthy Americans. What happened to the Russian aristocracy has nothing in common with a newspaper in SF writing distasteful things about rich people.
By Quizno 2014-01-26 20:02:37
They have been living in poverty for over 50 years but are convinced that prosperity is just around the corner if they keep working hard.
A hard working idiot will always be poor. Their problem is bad genes.
By Tymoris 2014-01-26 20:04:06
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »So basically your argument is my wife has Russian heritage so don't even argue with me. lol OK
It wasn't even the miltary/police wiping out the wealthy. It was mobs of ordinary people doing it because it was perfectly acceptable to destroy the wealthy and take their property in the name of the people.
In every part of history when the divide between economic classes grew too big either the rich made the poor the equivalent of slaves or the poor killed them and took their stuff.
As long that division keeps repeating itself then such incidents will keep happening.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-01-26 20:06:17
Her family was the quote unquote "Wealthy Jews" that kept all the Bavarians down and were wiped out by the Third Reich. So on a certain level Perkin's analogy is infuritating to people of a certain descent. So, to honor the deaths of her family members, she will continue doing the demonizing that was done on her family in the first place?
Think they really want that?
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-01-26 20:08:20
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »So basically your argument is my wife has Russian heritage so don't even argue with me. lol OK
It wasn't even the miltary/police wiping out the wealthy. It was mobs of ordinary people doing it because it was perfectly acceptable to destroy the wealthy and take their property in the name of the people.
No, my wife grew up in Russia, I have Russian heritage, and I do know a lot about the revolution. You're drawing parallels that don't exist simply to bolster your incomprehensible love of wealthy Americans. What happened to the Russian aristocracy has nothing in common with a newspaper in SF writing distasteful things about rich people. But you are creating your own parallel to bolster your incomprehensible hatred of the wealthy and successful.
How are you any different?
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-01-26 20:11:00
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »So basically your argument is my wife has Russian heritage so don't even argue with me. lol OK
It wasn't even the miltary/police wiping out the wealthy. It was mobs of ordinary people doing it because it was perfectly acceptable to destroy the wealthy and take their property in the name of the people.
No, my wife grew up in Russia, I have Russian heritage, and I do know a lot about the revolution. You're drawing parallels that don't exist simply to bolster your incomprehensible love of wealthy Americans. What happened to the Russian aristocracy has nothing in common with a newspaper in SF writing distasteful things about rich people. But you are creating your own parallel to bolster your incomprehensible hatred of the wealthy and successful.
How are you any different?
I am not sure what incompetence you're referring to. It's really irrelevant. I have no hatred for the wealthy, I make a good living and rarely go wanting. I look at the situation objectively as I have no reason to dislike either the wealthy or the poor.
Not everything is as black and white as your twisted views demand they be.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-01-26 20:14:01
In this black or white world we've conjured all up in hurr, I should be looking to this man as a symbol of 'success' because the only measure of success is how much money you make.
Bernie worked real hard too. Maybe you guys should stop hating on him making his billions and focus on your own lives. U just jelly.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2014-01-26 20:16:45
not hating someone because of their wealth or status does not mean I love them. It just means I'm not an ignorant jealous bigot.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-01-26 20:17:47
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »In this black or white world we've conjured all up in hurr, I should be looking to this man as a symbol of 'success' because the only measure of success is how much money you make.

Bernie Madoff in case anyone was wondering.
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By Phoenix.Amandarius 2014-01-26 20:19:47
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »In this black or white world we've conjured all up in hurr, I should be looking to this man as a symbol of 'success' because the only measure of success is how much money you make.
Bernie worked real hard too. Maybe you guys should stop hating on him making his billions and focus on your own lives. U just jelly.
Your issue and that of most progressives is that you assume everyone that is wealthy screwed people like Madoff did or they just got really lucky. You ignore or don't consider the work and personal sacrifice and choices that people make to succeed. Mostly because it makes a Progressive feel badly about themselves and their underachieving,
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-01-26 20:20:37
If I wanted to make it hard, I'd have gone for this guy:
His story plays like the American Dream too.
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By Odin.Jassik 2014-01-26 20:26:50
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »In this black or white world we've conjured all up in hurr, I should be looking to this man as a symbol of 'success' because the only measure of success is how much money you make.
Bernie worked real hard too. Maybe you guys should stop hating on him making his billions and focus on your own lives. U just jelly.
Your issue and that of most progressives is that you assume everyone that is wealthy screwed people like Madoff did or they just got really lucky. You ignore or don't consider the work and personal sacrifice and choices that people make to succeed. Mostly because it makes a Progressive feel badly about themselves and their underachieving,
Or he's pointing out that wealth isn't a measure of success.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-01-26 20:28:46
Phoenix.Amandarius said: »Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »In this black or white world we've conjured all up in hurr, I should be looking to this man as a symbol of 'success' because the only measure of success is how much money you make.
Bernie worked real hard too. Maybe you guys should stop hating on him making his billions and focus on your own lives. U just jelly.
Your issue and that of most progressives is that you assume everyone that is wealthy screwed people like Madoff did or they just got really lucky. You ignore or don't consider the work and personal sacrifice and choices that people make to succeed. Mostly because it makes a Progressive feel badly about themselves and their underachieving, Liberals only have very few people who were not only wealthy, but also fraudulent.
See, if a wealthy guy steals from everyone, it makes it in the news. If it is true that the wealthy always steal from the working poor, then they would have nonstop coverage of various wealthy people.
Instead, those like Madoff and Stewart are rare. You would only hear about 2-3 of these people every decade.
But the so-called working "poor?" Thousands commit crime on a daily basis.
Going by those statistics...well, I think you can figure that out.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-01-26 20:30:33
Wealth is wealth. It can be amassed through creating wonderful things that we all enjoy using or it can be amassed through subterfuge, manipulation and generally underhanded behavior.
Guess which one I have a problem with. Either way, the venture capitalist comparing his 'plight' to genocide is *** HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE.
I didn't get laid this weekend and I'm totally feeling like people walking into ovens or being gassed. What, I'm just sayin.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-01-26 20:31:59
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »Guess which one I have a problem with. Either way, the venture capitalist comparing his 'plight' to genocide is *** HELP I AM TRAPPED IN 2006 PLEASE SEND A TIME MACHINE. I would agree with you if he did do such of a comparison.
Let me know when you actually read and understand what he wrote.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-01-26 20:36:32
Instead, those like Madoff and Stewart are rare. You would only hear about 2-3 of these people every decade.
But the so-called working "poor?" Thousands commit crime on a daily basis.
Going by those statistics...well, I think you can figure that out.
You realize when you have enough money you can buy your way out of punishment right? Unless you're a Stanford or Madoff where your *** is so huge you cannot be let go. Might be why you hear about very few financial crimes and those crimes that we do hear about get settled with greenbacks. Fund terrorists and drug cartels? Just pay the fine and don't do it again you little rascals!
Being rich comes with certain powers. One of those involve being able to screw the rules. It is what it is.
By Tymoris 2014-01-26 20:40:42
Liberals only have very few people who were not only wealthy, but also fraudulent.
See, if a wealthy guy steals from everyone, it makes it in the news. If it is true that the wealthy always steal from the working poor, then they would have nonstop coverage of various wealthy people.
Instead, those like Madoff and Stewart are rare. You would only hear about 2-3 of these people every decade.
But the so-called working "poor?" Thousands commit crime on a daily basis.
Going by those statistics...well, I think you can figure that out.
Very wealthy people (not just rich) don't have to steal because in most cases they cooperate with the government they are situated in. Hence yes the wealthy as an entity do have non stop coverage of other wealthy or influential people. And also they use actual successful people to hide behind them.
In general when you can set the rules you can't really steal.
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By Lakshmi.Sparthosx 2014-01-26 20:40:45
Let me know when you actually read and understand what he wrote.
He opened his argument with a comparison to Nazi Germany. I don't need to be a multi-millionaire to know this can lead to nothing but hyperbole. There is still plenty of worship towards the rich going on right now, the people haven't planned mass executions and many corporations (when you don't use the word corporations) are seen as favorable in America.
Unless you're a banker. Then I agree, you're probably seen as scum of the Earth.
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By Garuda.Chanti 2014-01-26 20:44:21
Her family was the quote unquote "Wealthy Jews" that kept all the Bavarians down and were wiped out by the Third Reich. So on a certain level Perkin's analogy is infuritating to people of a certain descent. So, to honor the deaths of her family members, she will continue doing the demonizing that was done on her family in the first place?
Think they really want that? Look back to my OP. See any demonization?
Anger, yes.
By Enuyasha 2014-01-26 21:06:03
Her family was the quote unquote "Wealthy Jews" that kept all the Bavarians down and were wiped out by the Third Reich. So on a certain level Perkin's analogy is infuritating to people of a certain descent. So, to honor the deaths of her family members, she will continue doing the demonizing that was done on her family in the first place?
Think they really want that? Look back to my OP. See any demonization?
Anger, yes. it also isnt demonization...if you know...they killed your entire family and your entire race/religious identity...
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-01-26 21:10:39
Lakshmi.Sparthosx said: »He opened his argument with a comparison to Nazi Germany. He called on the parallels of propaganda between Nazi Germany against the Jewish community, and Progressive America against the wealthy community.
Quote: Writing from the epicenter of progressive thought, San Francisco, I would call attention to the parallels of fascist Nazi Germany to its war on its "one percent," namely its Jews, to the progressive war on the American one percent, namely the "rich."
This was the comparison between the two. He went on about various propaganda the media (mostly) has made against the successful. He did not state that the wealthy are suffering against the onslaught of an ignorant populace. He pointed out that the start of the Holocaust was created by a propaganda machine that focused all of it's attention against a group of people because they were different.
He is pointing out that we are about to make the same mistakes as the early-mid 1930 Germans did. The hatred of a group of people different from the masses. The only difference between the two is that we can notice it beforehand.
Instead, several posters, you included, have not only missed his point completely, but twisted his point to argue against something he did not say, furthering proving his point.
You created your own hate. You are jealous of his own success and are showing it by furthering your own hatred of his success.
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By Asura.Kingnobody 2014-01-26 21:12:27
Her family was the quote unquote "Wealthy Jews" that kept all the Bavarians down and were wiped out by the Third Reich. So on a certain level Perkin's analogy is infuritating to people of a certain descent. So, to honor the deaths of her family members, she will continue doing the demonizing that was done on her family in the first place?
Think they really want that? Look back to my OP. See any demonization?
Anger, yes. it also isnt demonization...if you know... they killed your entire family and your entire race/religious identity... So wait, you are saying that the wealthy 1% of America today killed Chanti's family over 50 years ago?
Yeah, that is what you said.
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Rich Businessman Compares Treatment Of The Rich To The Holocaust
As a Jew I wonder how many of his relatives have been executed.
I know over 32 of mine were.
Tax the rich? **** no. EAT the rich.
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