Spharai, Apocalypse, Or Bravura?

So I've been working towards Spharai and have all the currency, but since I have oats I'm doubting if it is worth making. I play MNK the most, but I really like WAR too and though I don't have DRK leveled (only takes a day nowadays), Apoc is badass (atleast I think?). If anybody could help me decide. I guess my questions are:

How much better is Spharai than Oats, if at all? (Right now I have two accounts so I dual-box a lot of crap too)
Would I be using Final Heaven to take advantage of the +40% damage? Wish it had a better aftermath :(
How often would I be able to play DRK in endgame nowadays if I had Apoc?
Is Bravura worth it? And how often could I use it?

Only if you can iLvl Spharai.

If you iLvl Bravura, you deserve ridicule.

Not sure about Apocalypse, but it's probably up there due to utility.

Why?

Because there are at least 4 GAs out there that are much much MUCH better.

2 of which are much easier to get. The other 2 are Ukon and Conqueror.

Hmm. Well, I'm not a Warrior expert, so I'll just take that at its word.

Considering the jobs on it and what the OP is asking, would it be a terrible idea to pursue Ragnarok if one can iLevel it?

absolutely not.

Ragnarok is great for Mighty Strikes/Brazen Rush zerging.

It would be the better way to put time into a relic WAR. But all considering things equal, I would rather put the time/effort into a mythic GA. That is what I'm doing currently thanks to Salvage being soloable (and Alexs being solo farmed, abet slow as hell).

I was under the impression that Bravura crushed ukon due to Upheaval being so much stronger and Bravuras passive being always active. Also Bravura allows you to become an unstoppable wall with its AM. Finially its the most accurate weapon for WAR and with SE going crazy with evasion that actually means something.

:Edit:
Forgot to add that I'm referring to situations that you'd actually be in rather then assumed perfect scenarios that only exist on paper. I absolutely hate it when people just assume stuff like Acc / Atk will always be caped and that the monster will never fight back.

I would say skip the Bravura and make the choice on Spharai or Apocalypse based on usage purposes. You will find that Spharai will get you involved as a DD on a lot more party-oriented content. If you find yourself playing entirely alone often and aren't doing the most recent content (ark angels or very difficult bcs), Apocalypse is great for self-reliance.

If you have WAR leveled and you already like it then take the suggestion of making a Ragnarok 119. Razorfury gaxe is a nice alternative to empy/mythic options if neither of those suit you.

much much better is absolutly wrong, ukon with am1, RF, brav are actually all more or less equal tho, each wining/loosing slightly depending on mobs/buffs the gap between each is around 5% give or take a little.

considering spharai its around 5% ahead of oats and almost on paar with am1 vere but it has the counterstance bonus and higher acc.

Best thing I've read in months :) +++++

As for the OP, since you mention you dual box a lot of stuff currently, spharai and apoc cater more to that than bravura. If survivability isn't really an issue, (which it might not be in things you are dual boxing) then it's still mostly job preference.

Relics excel in solo or low man low buff content because yes, your ODD is active from your first swing. They are ALWAYS going to outperform the current equivalent crafted/delve weapon and the 3 you are talking about also have nice nice uses. Monk is kind of the job to play right now because it's great survivability and spharai cater to monks strengths(white dmg, low man, roaming and killing, fighting things that attacks aren't AoE)

Apoc and bravura are more situational for their jobs but it sounds like they would work nicely for what you do most of the time.

So instead of apoc, bravura, spharai. I'd ask are you over being mnk only? It's really DRK, vs war vs mnk

to be honest, I did not do a spreadsheet, as I was not quoting numbers or anyone.

I was going by personal observations (I know and partied with 3 WARs, one of each, and parsed them once). Mind you it was completely unscientific and unmathy either.

None of the above because they will all be underpar until you get 300 Plutons to make it ilvl 119.

Assuming lv119 for all weapons.

I wouldn't recommend Spharai cause I have one and I don't like competition.

Apocalypse: if you really like Drk and want to scream "I'm old school!" while all the other Drks going with Great Swords then go ahead and sink your gil in and get it to lv119.

Bravura is not something I'd recommend for low man. Bravura on War will allow War to become extremely resilient but you're better off with a Mnk for low-manning stuff because a mnk is extremely sturdy and can put on pretty much any sub and still be effective. It's far easier and faster to gear a Mnk than to build Bravura for a War.

Summary of thread: roll a three-sided die.

Spharai isn't that much better than Oats but it has a great balance between offense and defense, which plays to monk's strengths in current content. Bravura and Apoc are also great defensive/offensive balanced weapons, but monk is a better job right now. I would say if you want to do dark knight, do Ragnarok instead, as it's the best DD option, and Apoc is maybe the 3rd best (4th once the Marjami delve GSD comes out). Bravura fares a little better, as the 2nd-best great axe, but with the price of plutons you may be better off considering a Conqueror instead.

Currency + marrows + plutons puts you at a pretty sizable amount of gil.

A mythic still cost more than making a relic to ill 119. At alex for 10k each, you're looking at 300 mil alone.

Then you are way short on evidence/research to open a thread with:

WAR: Relic isn't something to underestimate, it is what i would make, but Empy/Mythic is better pure DPS.

MNK: Relic is not worth it at all, and nothing will beat 119 Empy MNK (damage wise)

DRK: Apoc is a sexy beast if you're like me and use scythe over greatsword, for DPS though rag wins.

if you want a sure invite to endgame shouts as DD make a 119 empy mnk

if you lowman/solo a lot make apoc or relic war

all options are great though for which ever job you like the most

The only serious comment I want to add is that the community seems comfortable bringing MNK to events for utility and survivability even if their DPS on a particular fight isn't the best. It seems hypocritical to rule out Apoc DRK since a similar argument could be made to bring one.

The key deciding factor is how much DPS a DRK would sacrifice for the utility of Apoc and whether or not it actually ends up comparable to MNK in such scenarios. I don't know if anyone has looked into it thoroughly but it's definitely worth inspection.

dont make h2h relic, I have heard too many accounts of people complaining it wasn't worth the time/gil to get 119 h2h, long run it does do more dmg than Oat's but not enough to make it worth it.

Apoc is a great idea if you plan on solo drk at any point, (I plan on making one of these)

Bravura, I don't know I am not a war. I hear it has it's purpose but if you want raw DD may as well make a mythic GA.

Frankly heresay arguments are moot. I have heard plenty of that myself as I am sure everyone has at one point or another. However, speaking from personal experience I know a lot of people don't make these statements based on data, parses, spreadsheets or even astute observation. Most of these people are the ones who say "It's not worth it, my ws numbers aren't any better and final heaven sucks!" or something of that sort. MNK, even with all the nice gear and better WS numbers than previous stages of the game, is very much a white dmg job. I'd say the only major fallback of spharai is obviously AM being pretty worthless but then you don't have much a reason to use FH and the delay being higher than Vere. However it is still lower than oats, still much better in white dmg than oats in all events and either in some cases as well as providing an otherwise unobtainable boost to defense(counter+). They are far from as laughable as they once were. You are just going to have to look harder to find it.

The gap between 119 relic mnk vs otx(free weapon) is not worth the time and money when apoc/brav is the other options. IMO Relic WAR is just amazing DPS and utility wise, same can be said for apoc drk

Ok, you go upgrade and parse it tell us how much higher the dmg is so we can see if it is worth it.

I'm pretty sure you missed the point.

Actually no, I got his point. My point was what he missed. The fact that Spharai 119 isn't worth the time/money over the free Oat's

Why not just make a Ragnarok (-_-)