MNK Vs DRK

With all the new gear, I know there are dmg calc's out there and all kinds of nifty ways to see on paper who would win so if someone can show me data on mnk vs drk in high buff situations and low buff situations on which does more dmg.

Mainly in delve mega bosses.

Oats vs Senbaak
both in best possible gear as well.




Edit: I have a feeling I know what job will win. I am thinking mnk at all cost in high buff and low buff situations vs delve nm's mainly due to the exploitable weaknesses mnk gets that drk doesn't get.

Not to mention if you have a cor in for resets the mnk will get hundred first for added dmg but the soul enslavement of drk won't be reset.

Hard to calculate which job is stronger in delve due to the boss mechanic and huge variety of pt setup. Probably better to parse yourself.

I have both jobs and both weapons. Although I do not have numbers to back up what I am going to say, MNK > DRK. DRK is going to put more damage out per swing, MNK is going to put out more damage overall on bosses, at least for Tojil. I went DRK the other night, finished 6th in parse, mainly cuz our WHM's at the time sucked, and I was dead before 50%. 2nd run I change to MNK, and I finsihed #1 in the parse. Take it for what you want, but MNK is by far superior to DRK in my honest opinion on at least Tojil. Also, I agree with Afania, would probably be better to parse it on 2 runs, same buffs etc for both runs, all the happy stuff that comes with comparing numbers.

Also you would need a neutral mob delve caters to mnk ability to maneuver around weakness phases

I routinely parse #1 on DRK vs Tojil. Parse isn't a very good determiner of a job's raw capabilities.

That being said, MNK gets a crazy good advantage on Tojil. MNK gets a damage bonus during two HP phase's vs everyone else's one. Tojil really caters to MNK where as Shark and Bee are an entirely separate situation. Also Tojil is the easiest mechanically with the fewest possible opportunities for screw ups and thus it gets spammed constantly. Finally Oat's are a rank 119 weapon with Sen being a rank 117 weapon. Comparing 119 Rag to Oats would be a much fairer comparison if you wanted to determine which was the "best" DD, in which case I'd say the DRK hands down due to how LR works. Of course this is assuming the DRK can take full advantage of SE, so gotta have a WHM who's on point.

You mean 119 Rag vs. 119 MNK R.E.M. What you said was pretty absurd.

On topic, does DRK cap attack on Tojil w/ aura up? Aura isn't easy to remove unless you bring along dedicated people in removing it. Was smashing out 1.8~2k Water I's on GEO a good # of times and aura did not drop. Mind you, I was the only one religiously nuking it in that instance.

Or the opposite : people spam tojil because its drops don't suck (oat). Anyone with a Tojil win had the best job with the best DD. The next census, if they ever release it, is clearly going increase the gap between mnk and other DDs.

Nobody really do tojil for Oat anymore. Everyone do it for plasm.

Tojil zone has less DPS requirement than other zones, that's why ppl spam it. But Ceizak has lowest chance to go wrong. Shark is easiest to fail with PUG.

According with bg, water just will dispel aura in last 25%, when you shouldnt really need because of 2x blunt with 1000 mnk on 100 fists. Each phase demand a different type of elemental dmg.
I supose it isnt that high dmg to dispel aura. Shark, that just need thunder in every phase, normally lose its spear right after mayhem (with 3 suplor mnk though). The amount of dmg necessary to dispel aura should be the same for every naakual/delve mega boss.

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Almost anyone can be a strong mnk. It is easy to gear and pretty much engage and hit a button every so often.

Anyone can be a DRK but only a few are smart enough and put in the effort to get the best gear to make the job great.

Murgleis Rdm > All

No, it's spammed because it's the easiest. Coming from someone who has done more delve runs than you ADL.

Lol it's pchan, just put him on your ignore list and continue.

And yeah 119 RME H2H if that's the best, honestly didn't know the exact ranking for those vs Oat's on MNK. Also you don't want to drop Aura up Tojil if at all possible, Lahar is easier to deal with then a cheesy full dispel Stasis. Currently Stasis is exactly like Terra Slash, if during the readying time the enmity target switch's then Tojil will hit everyone in an arc starting at the original target and ending at the enmity target, essentially hitting your entire melee line. Lahar is easy to stun and even if it goes off melee's can ride it out in PDT/MDT sets while a WHM spams curaga II/III. The aura isn't so bad when you have Chaos roll + 2~4 Min's LR, Magma Steak, Dia III + LS + Angon + Frailty.

Which brings me to DRK vs MNK in raw DPS. MNK would get NQ Chaos Roll unless there happened to be a DRK in the party, DRK would get HQ no matter what. Also DRK's get stupid amounts of attack and Resolution has an insane damage cap, provided you can stack enough STR / attack to get it. The 25% JA haste from LR means your gonna be hitting the delay floor with minimal buffs, you can switch some haste gear for more MA / attack gear. Finally SE is an amazing ability, provided you can be kept alive during it.

Overall DRK is just built for raw damage, takes a bit more tweaking and gear swapping to get there but it's definitely a monster. MNK also puts out high damage and is brain dead easy to reach. Out of all the DD job's I've played, MNK was the easiest by far to play. This isn't a knock against MNK, there is something to say by keeping to the KISS standard.

A single slasher in a Tojil run should almost always win since they have no one else to split their bonus time with it. But like others said/implied, the phase-based NMs make these sorts of comparisons pretty tough. It's probably more relevant to use SCNM fights as a basis since they are more neutral but NMs using Eagle Eye Shot and Invincible make MNK's versatility once again really useful.

MNK is kind of broken right now, I think. I wouldn't have said the same a year ago.

Actually no, I meant what I said. Oats vs Senbaak, I think your ability to mind read is pretty lack luster. You probably shouldn't try to put words in people's mouth.

I chose those two weapons because they are more common. I want to know what of the two jobs does more. On top of that I have both the weapons and near top gear for those weapons. So I repeat. I meant what I said.

Doesn't look like mind reading, more correcting your contradiction. Asking for top gear and not the top current weapons as well is a wasted comparison. Not to mention the overly biased opinions and weighted math you'll see across here normally. Download the spreadsheets and throw down your outdated, mid-tier weapon comparison.

Top gear and top weapons are 2 different things. I gave the weapon choices I wanted. Just because you see it differently does not mean I am contradicting myself. There is top gear that is different for each weapon and sub job. I picked those weapons. Therefore you are correcting nothing.

As for "mid-tier" They may not be the best weapons, but they still hold their own and rightfully so. The dmg of rem is higher but I don't see it being high enough to ever put delve weapons in the "mid-tier" category. You want mid-tier that would be skirmish/wkr weapons. Low tier is voidwatch and lvl 85-90 weapons. Your biased opinion about what you think this topic should be about vs what it really is about, doesn't do anything justice. Stop attempting to force your opinion's on people.

Hmm, considering senbaak is not even close to ragnarok 119, I must say it's hard for me to believe that mnk would completely destroy drk even on tojil. I guess you have to provide numbers.

I'm fairly certain he was replying to Saevel, not you... ("Comparing 119 Rag to Oats would be a much fairer comparison if you wanted to determine which was the 'best' DD")

Actually if that were the case I am sure he would have corrected me about it. However when I declared what I was talking about he went on to state I was contradicting myself.

Like Suji said, the phase-based NMs make it really hard to make a proper comparison, but I would imagine that a iLvl 119 Ragnarok DRK would come close to a 119 OAT Mnk using Victory Smite.

I oftentimes pop an occasional 8K-9K Resolution (and i'm using Senbaak, building my ragnarok!) on Tojil when it swaps into Slashing phase, so having DRK on hand for Tojil is still a decent option regardless of how high the parse will be vs MNKs.

Maybe you should do the math yourself.

Depends on the user.

... Seriously, look at the names on the left-hand side. Kenrusai posted once in this thread, replying to someone other than you. You yelled at Kenrusai. Someone else posted a defense of him, unless Loire is also secretly Kenrusai and I just missed the memo...

My mistake you are right.

However I still find it horseshit when people force their opinioins on others like Loire did, I made the mistake with Kenrusai and I apologize.

Seriously? thats what you came to this thread to say? If I knew how to do all that don't you think I would?

Don't you guys know that Axe/Sword WAR/DNCs > MNKs and DRKs combined?

Asking people to do your work for you when unable to yourself? Best to step down from your self-entitlement high-chair first. Critiquing your "comparison" is not stuffing my opinion anywhere. As far as your assessment of where those weapons stand in end game, its unfortunate, but they are now the mid-tier catergory regardless of how butt-furious it makes you. If this was relevant to the interests of those that are more capable than you to make a math based, unbiased comparison, it may have already been done within the first few posts. That or anyone that can, recognizes this as just another flame bait topic.

Well, GS DRKs will excel against mobs that are weak to slashing, while MNKs will excel against mobs that are weak to blunt. Given that obvious, it all depends on the situation.

Which one is better overall? That depends on the player, not the job.

I kinda wonder what the purpose of this question is. Both options are top-tier DPS; it's not like anyone is debating that a Dancer puts out the same kind of damage as a Dark Knight. Even if you happen to be part of a group that can take down Tojil with ~9 people, the difference between a well-played, top-tier Dark Knight and a well-played, top-tier Monk is not going to be sufficient to change a win into a loss.

It's always fun to find out DD hierarchy!

I don't think MNK nor DRK is good for Ceizak though.