No Tips After Dinner For Gays!

Depends on how the ban is carried out. If the restaurant got a fee for every time they got caught accepting a tip, you'd probably see the people who still tried to sneak them getting fired

And who would report that? This is ridiculous.

You do realize tipping occurs outside of restaurants right?


It sounds like your issue is with the way restaurants are run, not tipping.

There's absolutely no way any respectable server would take minimum wage over server wage + tips. They would never come close to making the kind of money they do now. People complain about costs being charged to them through tips while they eat their $8 burger. If service staff all made minimum wage or higher, that burger would likely run you $12-15, thus driving off the very clientele that keeps the business alive in the first place. Also, people complain about lackluster service and servers complain about cheap customers. Never going to stop, world keeps spinning.

I have a strong feeling that some of the people posting here have no idea how money actually works in a restaurant. Servers don't usually get to pocket everything they make in tips. Several places force the server to tip out other staff such as hosts, bartenders and/or bussers.


I will call you a cheap ***. You say the job is not difficult and that anyone can do it. I disagree. You say it's easy to walk over every 10 minutes just to ask if everything is Ok. If that's all your seeing, then either the staff you are watching sucks, or the restaurant is very slow. Any server can manage one table but a good server handles as many as 8 or 9 tables at a time. If you think it's easy to properly manage and give excellent service to that many people at once, then either you are a superior waiter or you just simply don't know what you're talking about. And it sure is worth a hell of a alot more than $10/hr.

***, people who do inspections for these types of things (such as the secret shoppers at Publix, a grocery store here. Not allowed to take tips at that company; and they've busted people w/ secret shoppers), etc.

So your saying that feeling obligated to pay a server $10+ and hour is fair for your table, then claim they can successfully manage 8-9 tables at a time. Ok cool. That's great and all, but now the other 8-9 tables are burdened with the same obligation. So now the server makes $80-90 an hour (roughly) (during peak times of course). Now said server is spread out between 8-9 tables and obviously the demand on the server has greatly increased and therefore the the time spent per table has decreased. But, even tho, each table gets less attention by the server, they feel as if they are working hard and its acceptable to be a little behind. Hell she's got 8 other tables to manage. So that's where, bussers, hosts, expeditors come in.
Now the establishment has to pay more people, to improve the customer experience. But how can they pay these people and keep the food costs at a respectable level. "Lets skim the tip pool" they make $80/hr. Brilliant!!!

Surely I hope you don't really believe these chains "skim the tip pool" as a way to keep costs low.

The best service I've ever had in a restaurant came from people that did not expect tips and gratuity was something rewarded for professionalism, knowledge and the ability to manage the environment.

Perhaps they should adopt a better business model then? Tipping is very rare outside of a select few countries, and restaurants overseas tend to have no issues with staying in business

You speak as if tipping is necessary to keep a business afloat.

I play along because I don't want to be an *** (again, unless they do a ***job, then they get nothing), but I still don't like the entire tipping based culture etc.

Go to every country that doesn't do tipping. There should be plenty of viable models.

Not the same thing as what I did. If you were to say "There are plenty of countires that do successful w/o collecting taxes, my country should learn from one of those" (and you weren't bullshitting because that was actually the case), then you'd be making a similar statement to my own

I never said I feel obligated to do anything, nor did I say that anyone else should feel obligated. I tip based on the cost of my bill and how well I feel the service I received was. What I was saying is that I disagree with your idea that servers have an easy job and that the money they make well exceeds the work they put in. I think you might disagree with how restaurants pay their employees, not so much with how servers make their money.

Why wouldn't employers skim the tip pool to help pay their employees? Working in a restaurant is a team effort. It makes sense that with all the tips that are brought in, the servers help pay off the rest of the staff that helps them make it.


Here in the states, it is. If we didn't tip servers and instead they made a set wage (likely far less then they currently make), then there would be no one who would want to take those jobs. At the very least, there would be no incentive in giving exceptional service so your going to get treated like your ordering food in a McDonalds everywhere you go. The idea of tipping fits well in our capitalist country where the idea is if you work hard and do a good job, you're going to make more money than they guy who merely does good enough.

You seem to know about it, so enlighten us. Change America will ya?

It's not going to change, ever; and people will use that tip line to belittle other people because of judgements passed on lifestyle, faith, race, or w/e the customer sees fit (which is real issue here.) And that sucks a lot. It has nothing to do with the level of service the customer recieves.

To somehow justify not tipping because of a business model is selfish and cheap, and you should just stay home.

Here's a tip learn how to cook.

Selective reading? I said I think the system is ***; but ALSO said that I play along with it anyways.

Again, the only time I don't tip is when the service is ***. And the waiter/waitress has nobody to blame but themselves in those cases.

You are very good at going off topic.

I tip 20% because the way I see it, if I couldn't afford to tip what the restaurant expects me to then I have no business paying to have my food prepared. If you can't afford to pay what's customary, you should make your own food.

I'd prefer tipping didn't exist, if only so that the price was fixed. People who tip nicely are making up for those who don't tip. I'd rather pay a fixed price equivalent to ~15-20% tips and not have it not be a reflection on my personal character(or risk of having my food spat in..). It's a backwards system that only exists because it was allowed to become so. The restaurants have no incentive to change it, because it lowers their costs.

That might be the most logical response yet.

Fair enough but with most American's spending half their food budget on take out/eating out, cooking is halfway out of the door. A lot of people may work long hours and are too tired to cook or perhaps some just dont have enough time in the day to make a meal. It's always "gogogogogo" here in the states and there never seems to be enough hours in the day.

Why does Tigerwoods dislike tipping?



A) After careful analysis he has determined it is an inferior restaurant business model.

B) He's an insufferable cheap-***.


Given your more memorable posts (stolen bicycle, borrowed wifi, guide to ripping off chipotle), I'm inclined to chose B and say that you align your reasoning with your predetermined conclusion.

You know, people would be really surprised if you actually contributed to a thread.

Quoting someone to point out a flaw contributing. Very nice sir.

If this were the case, I'd straight up refuse to tip and not give a ***, lol.

lol, telling people to stay home if they aren't going to tip generously isn't exactly the best way to drum up business.

I agree. If you can't afford the tip that comes with the meal, then just stay home or go to Mickey D's or something. I would like to see restaurants increase all prices by ~20% and the proceeds go directly to servers in lieu of tipping. Tipping can still be voluntary if you feel the service warrants it.

I wasn't telling anyone else they need to feel the same, it's what I've come to decide personally after filling in however many of those receipts I have in my lifetime. You can make whatever excuse you like for your decision, but I wouldn't feel right if I didn't tip. Either I can afford the meal and the tip, or I can't. I would not think poorly of someone tipping 10%, 15%, or even 5%(if they were served poorly). I would think poorly of anyone who goes into a restaurant planning to tip below 10%. Like it or not, it's the system we have in place and it's an expected part of their wage at this point. There's a difference between tipping badly for bad service and tipping badly because you don't want to spend the money.

Very true. I'm just not sure what other models are available. I don't mind the tipping model as it is now but it seems as though many people are upset or disagree with it.

Service wouldn't go to ***if you abolished tipping. A business in an industry as competitive as food service has to be liked to succeed. If service is ***, the restaurant will fail and be closed down. Take a look at the failure rate of restaurants as is(over 50% close within 3 years of opening).